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Title: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 16 June 2011, 14:20
and I'm stuck between the VW Bora 130 or the Seat Leon 110.

Wondering if anyone could help with giving me some performance figures after they have had a remap  :smiley:

Cheers

Jon
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 14:24
Bora - circa 170bhp and 300lbs ft torque
Leon - circa 145bhp - not sure on the torque figure

Go for the Bora  :wink:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 16 June 2011, 14:28
I am moving more towards the bora everyday!

whats the 0-60 figures with 170?
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 14:30
I am moving more towards the bora everyday!

whats the 0-60 figures with 170?

Who cares!!?  It's all about 30mph +  :wink:  How often do you launch it off the lights and to be honest, what's the point?  :huh:

I had a Golf Mk4 running the same engine - ran approx 175bhp and 330lbs ft torque; overtaking was a rather simple affair  :evil:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 16 June 2011, 14:35
Very very true and im trying to get good MPG too! will the map improve the mpg figures or worsen them?

I look forward to the overtaking  :evil:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 14:41
Very very true and im trying to get good MPG too! will the map improve the mpg figures or worsen them?

I look forward to the overtaking  :evil:


Drive as normal and you'll get better MPG; drive it hard and you won't although I usually got 500 from the Golf no matter how I drove it; hard, short, long journeys etc etc  :smiley:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 16 June 2011, 15:35
ah i thought as much, any idea on the figures for the 115 model as well?

500mpg rhyso? it sounds amazing!  :wink:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 15:38
ah i thought as much, any idea on the figures for the 115 model as well?

500mpg rhyso? it sounds amazing!  :wink:

115 remaps to about 150 and 250ish lbs ft torque

Ha; 500 miles from a tank  :tongue:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 16 June 2011, 16:25
ah i thought as much, any idea on the figures for the 115 model as well?

500mpg rhyso? it sounds amazing!  :wink:

115 remaps to about 150 and 250ish lbs ft torque

Ha; 500 miles from a tank  :tongue:

Cheers for the info! Will let you know what i go for!
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 16:27
ah i thought as much, any idea on the figures for the 115 model as well?

500mpg rhyso? it sounds amazing!  :wink:

115 remaps to about 150 and 250ish lbs ft torque

Ha; 500 miles from a tank  :tongue:

Cheers for the info! Will let you know what i go for!

Get the 130  :wink:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 June 2011, 16:33
Rhys,

Hit me up with the clutch combo you went for. I "think" my release bearing is knackered (can't really be sure) so need to get a replacement sometime in the near future.
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 16:39
Rhys,

Hit me up with the clutch combo you went for. I "think" my release bearing is knackered (can't really be sure) so need to get a replacement sometime in the near future.

I presume the Passat runs the same clutch as the MK4  :undecided:  240mm diameter?

I went for the Sachs Organic Clutch friction and pressure plate, an LUK flywheel and then a release bearing from VW

The clutch when I bought it was £460ish; now closer to £600  :sick:
Paid £200ish for the flywheel
£40 for the bearing
£200 for fitting

The clutch is good enough for 400lbs ft torque  :evil:

Most people tend to stick with the standard clutch; I know Steve_PD has fitted another standard clutch as his lasted approx 80K after being remapped; mine lasted 2K after the Custom Code map  :undecided:

Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 June 2011, 16:56
Think the rats is 228mm... :huh: Could be a gearbox difference though, 6 speeds tended to have the larger plates on the rats.
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 16 June 2011, 17:02
Think the rats is 228mm... :huh: Could be a gearbox difference though, 6 speeds tended to have the larger plates on the rats.

Hmmm; all the 6 speed boxes in the Goof's are 240mm diameter; cheesed me off royally as it meant I couldn't fit the VR6 / G60 combo that all the petrol lads do
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Carbon-Chiptuning on 16 June 2011, 22:03
ah i thought as much, any idea on the figures for the 115 model as well?

500mpg rhyso? it sounds amazing!  :wink:

115 remaps to about 150 and 250ish lbs ft torque

Ha; 500 miles from a tank  :tongue:

Cheers for the info! Will let you know what i go for!

Get the 130  :wink:

I'll second that  :wink:

110 is an epic motor for tuning but you do need to glue a fair amount of parts on to get to mapped 130 teritory in terms of power/torque.

130 is by far the best value in terms of Power/torque vs ££££

The only other consideration is the car itself - I dare say the Leon will handle a little better than the Bora (depending on individual spec/setup of course) however the build quality is not as good as the Bora.

All things considered I'd be in the Bora me thinks..........
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: The Doc on 16 June 2011, 22:05
I'll third that 130 PD is a lovely motor  :smiley:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 17 June 2011, 12:02
cheers guys well if anyone knows any links to bora 110's or 130's for sale that are around the £2000 mark that would be great  :wink:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 26 June 2011, 09:59
Went and got the bora yesterday  :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: The Doc on 26 June 2011, 12:34
Went and got the bora yesterday  :evil: :evil: :evil:

Let's see some pics?

What version?

Bhp?
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 26 June 2011, 20:58
Went and got the bora yesterday  :evil: :evil: :evil:

Let's see some pics?

What version?

Bhp?

will get some pics up later, its a 2001 model

115pd

remap please?
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: The Doc on 26 June 2011, 22:43
Went and got the bora yesterday  :evil: :evil: :evil:

Let's see some pics?

What version?

Bhp?

will get some pics up later, its a 2001 model

115pd

remap please?

Sounds good.

Remap not a problem  :wink: where are you?
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 26 June 2011, 23:25
Just realised your in Manchester Doc, im in Bracknell  :sad:

Its about a 7 hour round trip unfortunately, do you know where else is best to get a remap a little closer?

is the 115 a bit better to tune than the 110?  :smiley:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: The Doc on 27 June 2011, 00:35
Just realised your in Manchester Doc, im in Bracknell  :sad:

Its about a 7 hour round trip unfortunately, do you know where else is best to get a remap a little closer?

is the 115 a bit better to tune than the 110?  :smiley:

Tis ok, we have friends everywhere  :wink:

I'll mail you tomorrow  :wink:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 27 June 2011, 00:38
Just realised your in Manchester Doc, im in Bracknell  :sad:

Its about a 7 hour round trip unfortunately, do you know where else is best to get a remap a little closer?

is the 115 a bit better to tune than the 110?  :smiley:

Tis ok, we have friends everywhere  :wink:

I'll mail you tomorrow  :wink:

Like some sort of remapping mafia! Thanks dude speak tomorrow
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 27 June 2011, 09:58
115 should see a comfortable 140bhp plus a load of more useful torque and improved MPG, but only if you resist the temptation to use your new found power  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 27 June 2011, 10:16
115 should see a comfortable 140bhp plus a load of more useful torque and improved MPG, but only if you resist the temptation to use your new found power  :grin: :grin:

Nice :cool: I'm loving the amount of torque already, as soon as you get out of 2nd gear it flys! hoping to have an even bigger grin after the remap  :evil:

Any problems i should look out for on the 115? plus rhyso where do i post on here with bora related questions?  :grin:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: Rhyso on 27 June 2011, 10:33
115 should see a comfortable 140bhp plus a load of more useful torque and improved MPG, but only if you resist the temptation to use your new found power  :grin: :grin:

Nice :cool: I'm loving the amount of torque already, as soon as you get out of 2nd gear it flys! hoping to have an even bigger grin after the remap  :evil:

Any problems i should look out for on the 115? plus rhyso where do i post on here with bora related questions?  :grin:

Just have a good check around your pipework from the EGR to the intercooler and if you can get your head under the car from the intercooler to the turbo.  Make sure the seals, clips and lugs are in good condition as they can wear over time. 

Whoever does the remap will have a look over things for you and also data log the car to make sure all the sensors are working / reading properly  :nerd:

Bora = MK4 so post away in there  :wink:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: tigerj360 on 27 June 2011, 11:50
Sweet! Thanks for all the info  :smiley:
Title: Re: Choosing a new car...
Post by: The Doc on 27 June 2011, 23:37
Like some sort of remapping mafia! Thanks dude speak tomorrow

Well my Mums side is Italian  :grin: