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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Exonian on 10 June 2011, 16:12
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Okay, firsly you'll have to take off your ''oh, I couldn't possibly park one of those down my road, my neighbours will think I'm poor'' or ''it looks like an MPV'' hats and have a quick look here:
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/com/LeonFR09/site/start/main.html?ito=MAGADD686A4-5861-4E0F-8402-499CAE8CB8F0&itv=1110939
SEAT have done a half arsed job of updating their website today introducing the recently revealed Leon FR+ and along with it an offer on the 210 bhp TSI model - £20k for a fully loaded standard spec car including xenons, nav, bluetooth, sissy sensors, foldy mirrors, new LED tail lights, cruise control, 18'' non corroding wheels blah blah blah. Oh, and it shouldn't come with a waiting list that involves just about getting one off the production line before the Wolfsburg engineers strip all the mk6 tooling out and drag in the mk7 gear.
I know a bunch of you will come out with the usual negative comments but you can't say it isn't a bad deal £££ by VAG standards, especially if you can get to a broker which will discount one even further!
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It's a bloody good deal for a car of that spec, I'm just not into Seat cars really as the ride is very hard. But for some that would be too good an opportunity to miss.
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When they facelifted the FRs in 2009 they softened the ride quite a bit. A good friend of mine works for a leasing company and gets loaned all sorts of cars all the time, he's a huge fan of the Leon FRs and often brings one round for me to have a look at; the early FRs had a back breaking ride but the newer ones are a lot better. Slightly harder than the GTI but not masses.
A few years ago he gave a few of us a lift up to GTI International in an early FR, I sat in the back and by the time we got there I thought my spine was going to implode. A few months ago he dropped me up to Bristol in a 2010 car, that car was perfectly comfy. It also had really nice alcantara seats in it which are an optional extra. They look and feel lovely but would get dirty really quickly.
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It's not that it's a Seat, or that it isn't up to it dynamically (I'm sure it is). It's the design - I hate the way it looks and don't even mention the interior, especially the centre console. The A/C and radio look like they're from another car altogether... oh wait, they are. :grin:
They could at least have changed the shape of the console to match the controls. Even bargain basement Chinese market VW's have better attention to design detail.
If design aesthetic isn't your thing then it's a bargain. But for £20K I'd rather have a Skoda Octavia vRS.
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I'm with you there Mac, and the Skoda looks like a lot of car for the money, and awful lot of car for the money in fact.
I've never been a huge fan of the mk2 Leon styling, it's grown on me over the years and looks good in the right colours and spec, but the interior really doesn't bother me. I've been in a few now and the earlier ones were a bit cheap and nasty looking but the post facelift ones aren't really that bad up close. The nav is just an RNS 310 (I think the latest ones have DAB and 7 digit postcodes) and the climate control is the Golf unit minus the chrome.
I like the funny texture on the top of the dash but I don't like the silver bits much and the door plastics are a bit cheap. You could argue that this gives it character. :grin:
I just thought I'd post it up really on the back of all the waiting list threads on here for Golfs.
At the end of the day a car is a compromise of so many things, looks, character, image and not least of all how much disposable income you have.
I reckon around about September time you'll be able to pick up a Diesel model pre reg'd on an 11 plate from a dealer for under £18k which would make a lot of sense as a mile muncher, the FR Diesels depreciate quite slowly too.
I can see why the pertol model is the one with the offer on though, it has always been a slow seller and suffers heavy depreciation, lacks the panache of the Cupra and not to mention VAG trying to conserve stocks of CR TDI engines!
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No comment! :evil:
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Good on you Andy..... Looks like you've got yourself a great deal and a fantastic car. I might even go for one of those myself at some point. Would look good with the BBS on :wink:
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Good on you Andy..... Looks like you've got yourself a great deal and a fantastic car. I might even go for one of those myself at some point. Would look good with the BBS on :wink:
Martin, what are you on about? He said nothing about buying one for himself. :rolleyes:
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Like the older Seats but the new shapes are :sick:
Not my cup of Tea
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Very nice. And for that money - great value.
If I wasn't so hooked into GTIs I'd have one.
Maybe when I'm older...
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i like them... but couldnt live with that interior
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i like them... but couldnt live with that interior
Agreed, the Cupra R really appealed to me because of the price and the power but the interior is so bad.
Still, the FR is a proper bargain but the price will drop like a stone the minute you get in it!!!!
Jim
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Think they are a good amount of car for the money.
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Nice price and spec, shame its as attractive as a fat birds sweaty arse crack.
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Good on you Andy..... Looks like you've got yourself a great deal and a fantastic car. I might even go for one of those myself at some point. Would look good with the BBS on :wink:
Don't hang the flags out just yet Martin! I'm not jumping ship so everyone on here will be stuck with my irreverant irrelevant waffle a bit longer.
If I was looking at a new or nearly new GTI/D I think I'd be plucking the moth eaten chequebook out of the dusty corner and heading to a SEAT dealer though.
Hurdy's thread here shows exactly how much VW is ripping everyone off for on optional extras: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30729.0.html
Very nice. And for that money - great value.
If I wasn't so hooked into GTIs I'd have one.
Maybe when I'm older...
Yeah, it'd be a great car for a mini mid life crisis in Lumina Orange!
Nice price and spec, shame its as attractive as a fat birds sweaty arse crack.
Aaah, painting pictures with words Kevin! :grin:
Tell you what though, there's a second hand GTI in my local VW dealer with a price ticket of just shy of £30k on it. I'd rather drive a sweaty arse crack than pay £30k for a second hand Golf!!
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£30k for a sloppy second? The world has gone mad and I am an inmate. :rolleyes:
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The plastic around the dash is all wrong. I also hate how the have put the MFD to the left of the rev counter and speedo, just doesn't look right!
Outside it looks pretty good though.
It's a bit like a really hot girl who has a pain in ass personality, you could deal with it for wee while and enjoy the perks but after a bit you'd get sick of her and look for a girl with the complete package!!
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The plastic around the dash is all wrong. I also hate how the have put the MFD to the left of the rev counter and speedo, just doesn't look right!
Outside it looks pretty good though.
It's a bit like a really hot girl who has a pain in ass personality, you could deal with it for wee while and enjoy the perks but after a bit you'd get sick of her and look for a girl with the complete package!!
Yeah but in it's standard form the GTI is like a decent looking girl who is high maintenance and doesn't give you any unless you buy her something. (Double pun aimed at both the lowly power output of the GTI and also the fact that VW can't seem to build any!)
(Apologies to the ladies that this metaphor is presented from the male point of view.)
The SEAT is a great car. Yes the plastics inside are a bit cheaper, and it's not the prettiest interior, but it is a great car and it's very practical for a hatch. Exterior wise I also think it's quite nice looking. Much better than any offerings from Ford for example.
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Interesting stuff. I'm a bit taken with Skodas at the moment. Would love a green Fabia VRS.
NIck
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It was the blind spots that killed the MK2 leon for me. I can warm to the potatohead man looks in certain colours. I just could not get away with the blind spots created by the front quarterlights and the rear pillars. Apart from that im a huge SEAT fan always will be. I defected to SEAT when VW lost the plot with the mk3 Golfs and only came back with the Mk5 in 2005. VW have imo got gready and have cut corners were as an Engineer i think count but covered this up to please the masses and blind jounos with touchy feely plastics :huh: SEAT dont seem to have done this when i have had a good look at them which i respect them for.
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Apart from my interior being abit drap, I'm so glad i went back to the Leon.
The facelift model offers some serious spec upgrades, but I just prefer the look of the pre-facelift, it just looks much more mean!
Yes, I have back breaking suspension, bad blind spots etc, but apart from Sat Nav, my Cupra is kitted out with the majority of stuff that's standard on the new FR+.
You have to remember, back then in 2007 onwards, the Cupra came with Bi-Xenons, headlamp washers, folding wing mirrors, cruise control, 18" wheels, tinted windows etc, all as standard. Other then the likes or Audi and BMW etc, there weren't many other manufacturers that offered them as standard on a £20k hot-hatch.
There are downsides to my car, the interior, a few rattles etc but she's 4 years old, and I still get looks as I drive past people in the street, as I fly past people with the 240 ponies and then stop quicker then them with the mahoosive brakes.
It was a good hot-hatch, for decent money and I guess it's my little tribute to it, as the Cupra is to be no more.
Only the FR+ and stupidly priced Cupra R, will be offered.
And with new EU regs, who's to say the 211ps and 265ps engines will still be around this time next year?
I'm proud to pay stupid amounts of tax to keep it on the road, life won't be the same without the original 2.0 hot-hatch engines, but now to be replaced by the likes of a dinky 1.6 with a great- big turbo on instead.
Shame really.
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It was the blind spots that killed the MK2 leon for me. I can warm to the potatohead man looks in certain colours. I just could not get away with the blind spots created by the front quarterlights and the rear pillars. Apart from that im a huge SEAT fan always will be. I defected to SEAT when VW lost the plot with the mk3 Golfs and only came back with the Mk5 in 2005. VW have imo got gready and have cut corners were as an Engineer i think count but covered this up to please the masses and blind jounos with touchy feely plastics :huh: SEAT dont seem to have done this when i have had a good look at them which i respect them for.
spot on :cool:
please the journos and the rest are expected to follow
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It was the blind spots that killed the MK2 leon for me. I can warm to the potatohead man looks in certain colours. I just could not get away with the blind spots created by the front quarterlights and the rear pillars. Apart from that im a huge SEAT fan always will be. I defected to SEAT when VW lost the plot with the mk3 Golfs and only came back with the Mk5 in 2005. VW have imo got gready and have cut corners were as an Engineer i think count but covered this up to please the masses and blind jounos with touchy feely plastics :huh: SEAT dont seem to have done this when i have had a good look at them which i respect them for.
spot on :cool:
please the journos and the rest are expected to follow
I have to say I agree with this also.
Apart from my interior being abit drap, I'm so glad i went back to the Leon.
The facelift model offers some serious spec upgrades, but I just prefer the look of the pre-facelift, it just looks much more mean!
Yes, I have back breaking suspension, bad blind spots etc, but apart from Sat Nav, my Cupra is kitted out with the majority of stuff that's standard on the new FR+.
You have to remember, back then in 2007 onwards, the Cupra came with Bi-Xenons, headlamp washers, folding wing mirrors, cruise control, 18" wheels, tinted windows etc, all as standard. Other then the likes or Audi and BMW etc, there weren't many other manufacturers that offered them as standard on a £20k hot-hatch.
There are downsides to my car, the interior, a few rattles etc but she's 4 years old, and I still get looks as I drive past people in the street, as I fly past people with the 240 ponies and then stop quicker then them with the mahoosive brakes.
It was a good hot-hatch, for decent money and I guess it's my little tribute to it, as the Cupra is to be no more.
Only the FR+ and stupidly priced Cupra R, will be offered.
And with new EU regs, who's to say the 211ps and 265ps engines will still be around this time next year?
I'm proud to pay stupid amounts of tax to keep it on the road, life won't be the same without the original 2.0 hot-hatch engines, but now to be replaced by the likes of a dinky 1.6 with a great- big turbo on instead.
Shame really.
Also have to agree with your tribute DRC. The Cupra has been a great hot hatch since it's release - and the K1 edition took the aggressive styling to the next level.
In the review world, the VW models tend to score the kudos with better plastics and interiors. In real life however, I find myself drawn more to a Leon FR than the comparable Golf GTD.
My only criticism (apart from the plastics and lack of interior design) is that I feel like I'm reeeaallly high up when I sit in a Leon. It's more like a people carrier inside than a sporty hatch.
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There's a 60 plate Cupra R for sale on Autotrader with less than 5000 miles on the clock for £21K. Same 265bhp engine as the Rocco R - even more of a bargain.
£30k for a sloppy second? The world has gone mad and I am an inmate. :rolleyes:
Sure has - it's the only way VW UK dealers can make any money on them - when they sell them the second time as a trade-in. All because of the exchange rate and IMO probably the main reason supply of performance Golfs is so limited here.
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My only criticism (apart from the plastics and lack of interior design) is that I feel like I'm reeeaallly high up when I sit in a Leon. It's more like a people carrier inside than a sporty hatch.
See, I feel totally different. Because of the high roof in the Golf compared to the Leon has a much lower roof line. These are both made better with black roof lining which the GTI and Cupra both have :)
But when I had my Golf, it felt like I was driving a really big car, but it's not much bigger then the Leon.
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@Dan; is the cupra suspension that hard? From memory (I've only been for a brief ride in a Cupra) the suspension settings are softer than the FR and yet it handles slightly better. The Cupra also has better front wishbones which probably counter act the extra weight of the 345mm brakes. :cool:
And you're not alone, I reckon 9/10 people prefer the pre facelift cars for looks. :wink:
I reckon Cupras and VXRs and STs from the noughties will become quite sought after soon as the last generation of proper big ass engined turbo hot hatches. I guess the saving grace of the smaller engined cars coming through in the next generation of hot hatches (the things you'll be driving when you get to my age!!) is the better fuel efficiency and fast spool of the small capacity turbo engines which will be needed for the increasing traffic levels when you will only ever have a quick spurt of acceleration unless you live in the North of Scotland and have bright orange hair.
@Mac; There are cheaper Cupra Rs out there than that, yellow fully specced car (60 plate) at Huddersfield SEAT for £18,900 and about three or four others for around £20k. There's a red one in Chingford that caught my eye for £20k, full spec on it too so that car would have been £26-27k 6 months ago!! If you think that's bad depreciation you'd be right! But it's balanced out by the fact that there have been a few people trying to sell their Scirocco Rs on the forums lately and their £30k cars are only fetching low twenties at best. I'd like to think these 265bhp cars depreciation will even out a bit after two years!! I can see why they are dropping so quickly in value, not just the recession but I think people are just getting fed up with the amount cars have gone up in the last few years, and where you would probably happily pay £20k for a SEAT (as it is still good value compared to Ford and Vauhall etc) you really would be very reluctant to pay upwards of £24k on a Leon which is due to be replaced in a year or so.
The Leon FR Diseasels (which, like Penguin, I prefer) have excellent resale values.
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Funny you talk about the deisel. Its the first thing we said as we look at your thread. 'I wonder if the TDI is available in FR+ spec' and off to the SEAT website we went. :grin: Its not helped we had a call from our local SEAT dealer yesterday asking if we got the latest promotional pack (we had not so its been resent) and if they could help in anyway.
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Yeah the TDI is but it isn't on the £19995 deal, only the petrol has the money off at present (due to it being a slow seller in the shadow of the Golf GTI and Leon Cupra).
If the TDI was on that deal I reckon I'd have sniffed out further discount, flogged the GTI to a VW dealer and jumped in. Mind you some of those cut price Cupra Rs keep calling out to me through the mists of the internet......... :grin:
SEAT have done another of their weird spec change things; the FR has now been downgraded to the former Sport spec and comes with the piddly output engines, and the FR+ is now a fully loaded old FR in run out spec. The Cupra has been temporarily binned (probably to re-emerge in mk3 Leon guise slightly dumbed down) and only the Cupra R sits at the top of the tree which makes sense as there was a bit of overkill there.
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No comment. :tongue: :kiss:
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No comment. :tongue: :kiss:
Only because you'd miss me. :kiss:
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No comment. :tongue: :kiss:
Only because you'd miss me. :kiss:
That I will but will be too p!ssed off to admit it.
On second thought, I'll elope with you. :kiss:
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Good God, some of the guys on cupranet would die if you got over there and unleashed upon them!!
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Good God, some of the guys on cupranet would die if you got over there and unleashed upon them!!
Are they a bit chav?
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
I am not surprised. Looking at those things would put anyone in a foul mood. :evil:
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
I am not surprised. Looking at those things would put anyone in a foul mood. :evil:
I'm tempted to buy one now just so I can put a huge full sized sig pic on here for you to look at whilst we argue about calmly discuss things
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
I am not surprised. Looking at those things would put anyone in a foul mood. :evil:
I'm tempted to buy one now just so I can put a huge full sized sig pic on here for you to look at whilst we argue about calmly discuss things
Then do it. I'm not stopping you. Expect super abuse both physically and mentally. :laugh:
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
I am not surprised. Looking at those things would put anyone in a foul mood. :evil:
I'm tempted to buy one now just so I can put a huge full sized sig pic on here for you to look at whilst we argue about calmly discuss things
Then do it. I'm not stopping you. Expect super abuse both physically and mentally. :laugh:
Can I have an advance on my first wage packet..... oh master.......?
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
I am not surprised. Looking at those things would put anyone in a foul mood. :evil:
I'm tempted to buy one now just so I can put a huge full sized sig pic on here for you to look at whilst we argue about calmly discuss things
Then do it. I'm not stopping you. Expect super abuse both physically and mentally. :laugh:
Can I have an advance on my first wage packet..... oh master.......?
Bloody cheek. :shocked:
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Far from it, it's a brilliant forum, but it's a bit more serious over there and you don't get much banter anymore.
Some of the mods really really don't have much humour either :evil:
I am not surprised. Looking at those things would put anyone in a foul mood. :evil:
I'm tempted to buy one now just so I can put a huge full sized sig pic on here for you to look at whilst we argue about calmly discuss things
Then do it. I'm not stopping you. Expect super abuse both physically and mentally. :laugh:
Can I have an advance on my first wage packet..... oh master.......?
Bloody cheek. :shocked:
Typical employer. Vive le revolution!!
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I use to love been on SEATcupra.net :sad: and non of my SEATs pissed me off with rattles like the golf does. :cry:
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I use to love been on SEATcupra.net :sad: and non of my SEATs pissed me off with rattles like the golf does. :cry:
ssssshhhhhhh dont tell the VW owners that!!! :laugh:
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Snoops: Mine is completely rattle free and scythes its way like a ceramic knife though butter. Hope your rattles get sorted soon.
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Back to Seat's,
Answer the Call, get a Cupra R :grin:
Tell me once you've had it 6 months if you regret it.
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Back to Seat's,
Answer the Call, get a Cupra R :grin:
Tell me once you've had it 6 months if you regret it.
The temptation is there but not the will power.
I could use a Diseasel really........but I do fancy a cheap Cupra R...... :undecided:
Stick to my GTI I think and wait to see what the mk3 Leon shapes up like in a year or two. Stuff paying VW prices for the foreseeable future.
I'd love a nice MINI Cooper SD but I reckon I'd have to fold the kids in half to get them in the back!!!
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A lad at work has bought a clubman and says it has as much room as his golf had. I just keep telling him its a MAXI van with windows :evil:
The non realistic drawing in autoexpress a while back of the new leon looked ok but we will wait and see. I think they lost a lot of customers from the mk1 to mk2 due to the altea looks.
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Those Clubmans are a design masterpiece in how to make something extremely ugly and yet still sell loads - never guess MINI was owned by BMW would you? :grin:
You going on a touring holiday Geoff? Send us a postcard from Azerbajan....
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The temptation is there but not the will power.
I could use a Diseasel really........but I do fancy a cheap Cupra R...... :undecided:
Stick to my GTI I think and wait to see what the mk3 Leon shapes up like in a year or two. Stuff paying VW prices for the foreseeable future.
I'd love a nice MINI Cooper SD but I reckon I'd have to fold the kids in half to get them in the back!!!
It's funny when you read some of the comments, people think the opposite :laugh: :laugh:
Once you spec'd it up, Chilli pack, Media pack and a few other bits (sport pack a necesity in my view), your looking at a £24k price tag!!
I'd rather save £3k and get a couple of year old Golf GTD. More space, refinement and almost as fun to drive.
It doesn't seem to matter what you buy, cars are just getting very expensive ..
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I went to buy a frock yesterday and ended up just buying a blouse. The price was staggering. :sick: