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General => General discussion => Topic started by: simon20vt on 03 June 2011, 10:00
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Since having an accident in my KO4'd 1.8T at the start of April, I have been using a black pug 206 to get me around, now its time to sell the french pile of s**t. When thats sold, I will have a budget of around £1500. However, the dilemma is what I should get next, so far I've come up with the options, preferably I would like something with a bit of power that is possible for a 20 year old to get insured on, here are the following that I've shortlisted to become my possible next car:-
a) BMW E36 328i Sport (coupe) 193bhp, RWD - with a 325 inlet manifold will produce 220/230bhp
b) Volvo C70 T5 (coupe) 240bhp, FWD - dont laugh, easily remapped to 280/300bhp
c) Toyota Celica GT4 ST205 (coupe) 250bhp, 4WD
Obviously, i will only be considering manual versions of the cars listed (autos are boring :smiley:)
The cheapest of the above on insurance is the 328 sport, costing an extra £250 over the last 6 months of my policy, secondly the T5 at £270 over the remainder, then lastly the GT4 as expected at £330. The price of insurance may have to be taken into consideration when purchasing a car.
have any of you ever owned one of these? if so, what did you think of them?
if you havent owned one of these, which would you pick?
and if anyone has any other ideas or suggestions of a car to buy around £1500, please nominate them now?! :grin:
i am looking for something quick with good handling (e.g 328i or GT4) or rapid in a straight line, but no so good handling (e.g C70)
Cheers, Simon :smiley:
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Out of those it would have to be the E36 for me.
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Yep same here.
I love the Celicas but they are like old Scoobys, they have all been ragged within an inch of their lives. BMW for me all day long.
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to be fair, any of those for that budget will be a nail, and will need cash spending to make it half decent again
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Im being such a bellend this morning, didnt even see the budget he had :rolleyes:
Very true Chuff.
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Would you like to buy a vauxhall?
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Im being such a bellend this morning, didnt even see the budget he had :rolleyes:
Very true Chuff.
As normal :grin:
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what happened to the golf???
if i was 20 i'd be thinking a bora diesel, get some coilies on and have some cheap motoring. If you want any of the above i'd wait til you've got max ncd and more dollar to splash out.
those three will break in the first year and more than likely cost more than your budget again to repair.
have you thought about pug 106 gti? saxo vts? or similar nippy, good handing hatches?
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I want to know how he managed to insure a KO4 1.8T at 20 :shocked:
If he has got that insured, Im assuming insurance isnt an issue for him.
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accident lol, i broke it for spares on here
hate diesels i must say, and my insurance isnt an issue - they will insure me for a year for around £900 on E36 328i sport, 3 years driving, 1 years NCB
I must say i disagree with the fact that they will be nails - alot of E36's around for £1500 with FSH and lots of paperwork/receipts, 100k-140k on the clocks, that still run quietly and nicely. My mate picked up a 325i for £650 with about 150k on the clock, engine was fine, bodywork not as good. Im not too fussed about bodywork, i know people who can sort this easily.
T5s can be picked up for £800 as well, high miles, but no problems with the engine. Dad has one (V70 T5) 130k and no issues whatsover.
My 1.8T had 135k on the clock, but drove perfectly. I think people make too much of an assumption with high mileage being no good, when its quite simply not the case.
Did test drive a 328i E46, bodywork was pants, but engine 120k and sooo quiet.. guy only wanted £1500 for it. there are some nails out there, but if you find one thats been looked after there shouldnt be any issues.
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have you thought about pug 106 gti? saxo vts? or similar nippy, good handing hatches?
106 gti i would consider, not interested in saxo due to the chav reputation.
ideally id like to steer away from french cars in general though :smiley:
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I had a 328i mate nice car but rather thirsty
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cant be as thirty as modified ko4'd 1.8T, surely?
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my insurance isnt an issue - they will insure me for a year for around £900 on E36 328i sport, 3 years driving, 1 years NCB
:shocked: Sometimes I really envy you lot in the UK :cry:
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my insurance isnt an issue - they will insure me for a year for around £900 on E36 328i sport, 3 years driving, 1 years NCB
:shocked: Sometimes I really envy you lot in the UK :cry:
I think thats a bit of an exception, no idea how he has got it that low. I couldn't insure a 1.8T at 20 for more than 2k.
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Insurance is well cheap over in England Jimp.. i paid £3700 last year on my 1.8T.. Renewed with a Leon diesel for £2200.. and the mini cooper S is 5 insurance groups higher but is £200 cheaper lol ?? Christ knows how other 20 year olds get it for so cheap.. :angry: :cry:
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MK3 VR6? or a corrado??
Insurance can be cheap if you play them against each other and haggle. I had a mk2 vts at 19 for £700 fully comp and then an itg 98 spec type R for £700 at the age of 22 :cool:
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my insurance isnt an issue - they will insure me for a year for around £900 on E36 328i sport, 3 years driving, 1 years NCB
:shocked: Sometimes I really envy you lot in the UK :cry:
I think thats a bit of an exception, no idea how he has got it that low. I couldn't insure a 1.8T at 20 for more than 2k.
I'm 23 and could get insured on an E36 328i sport for £572.85, which is about what I pay on the mk3!
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I'm 23 and could get insured on an E36 328i sport for £572.85, which is about what I pay on the mk3!
I love insurance companies . . . 193bhp BMW salon and 115bhp VW hatchback in the same price range. Knobs, all of them.
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I'm 23 and could get insured on an E36 328i sport for £572.85, which is about what I pay on the mk3!
I love insurance companies . . . 193bhp BMW salon and 115bhp VW hatchback in the same price range. Knobs, all of them.
I could get insured on an S3 or a twin turbo supra for around £100 less than my mk3 :shocked:
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Insurance is well cheap over in England Jimp.. i paid £3700 last year on my 1.8T.. Renewed with a Leon diesel for £2200.. and the mini cooper S is 5 insurance groups higher but is £200 cheaper lol ?? Christ knows how other 20 year olds get it for so cheap.. :angry: :cry:
www.bell.co.uk
put yourself down as first driver, owner, fully comp, mom and dad as 2nd and 3rd, respectively... but make sure you get the quote on the internet on that site, then phone up with the quote reference number and do it over the phone.
dont use gocompare or any of that crap, the cheapest i had on there is £2300 on the 328i... i am in my second year with bell, and paid about £900 on the Golf... oh yeah, i don't use 12 month policy, i use 10 month bonus accelerator - 1 years no claims for 10 months of insurance :smiley: so i suppose you could say that really if you apportion the cost to 12 months im paying about £1050-£1100
They don't go on insurance groups - they go on the number of claims made against the vehicle - so if loads of people claim on a 115bhp golf, and not many on 328i, the 328 will be cheaper to insure as it is seen lower risk... BHP/insurance group does make a difference when comparing cars that have had a similar number of claims against them.
Anyway, back to the O.P :tongue:... BMW, Volvo or Toyota?
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Insurance is well cheap over in England Jimp.. i paid £3700 last year on my 1.8T.. Renewed with a Leon diesel for £2200.. and the mini cooper S is 5 insurance groups higher but is £200 cheaper lol ?? Christ knows how other 20 year olds get it for so cheap.. :angry: :cry:
www.bell.co.uk
put yourself down as first driver, owner, fully comp, mom and dad as 2nd and 3rd, respectively... but make sure you get the quote on the internet on that site, then phone up with the quote reference number and do it over the phone.
dont use gocompare or any of that crap, the cheapest i had on there is £2300 on the 328i... i am in my second year with bell, and paid about £900 on the Golf... oh yeah, i don't use 12 month policy, i use 10 month bonus accelerator - 1 years no claims for 10 months of insurance :smiley: so i suppose you could say that really if you apportion the cost to 12 months im paying about £1050-£1100
They don't go on insurance groups - they go on the number of claims made against the vehicle - so if loads of people claim on a 115bhp golf, and not many on 328i, the 328 will be cheaper to insure as it is seen lower risk... BHP/insurance group does make a difference when comparing cars that have had a similar number of claims against them.
Anyway, back to the O.P :tongue:... BMW, Volvo or Toyota?
Be careful with those policies, not many other companies will acknowledge the no claims :wink:
I'm also with Bell, and have been since I passed my test. They have been by far the cheapest company for me!
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As above most companies do not recognise 10months bonus accelorator policies no claims.. which means if bell totally bump up their prices and you go somewhere else you could find your no claims are useless.. Im with adrian flux and very happy :smiley:
back to question in hand bmw will be your best bet most engines are bullet proof
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As said, be very careful with these 10 month things, very dodgy if Bell all of a sudden decided they are going to charge you loads.
I could get insured on an S3 or a twin turbo supra for around £100 less than my mk3 :shocked:
Dom, WHAT THE FACK ARE YOU DOING IN A MK3 STILL !!!!?
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I agree a lot of companies don't reconise the 10month policy being equal to a years NCB, got caught out with this years ago & have always gone for 12 month since then.
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Insurance is well cheap over in England Jimp.. i paid £3700 last year on my 1.8T.. Renewed with a Leon diesel for £2200.. and the mini cooper S is 5 insurance groups higher but is £200 cheaper lol ?? Christ knows how other 20 year olds get it for so cheap.. :angry: :cry:
www.bell.co.uk
put yourself down as first driver, owner, fully comp, mom and dad as 2nd and 3rd, respectively... but make sure you get the quote on the internet on that site, then phone up with the quote reference number and do it over the phone.
dont use gocompare or any of that crap, the cheapest i had on there is £2300 on the 328i... i am in my second year with bell, and paid about £900 on the Golf... oh yeah, i don't use 12 month policy, i use 10 month bonus accelerator - 1 years no claims for 10 months of insurance :smiley: so i suppose you could say that really if you apportion the cost to 12 months im paying about £1050-£1100
They don't go on insurance groups - they go on the number of claims made against the vehicle - so if loads of people claim on a 115bhp golf, and not many on 328i, the 328 will be cheaper to insure as it is seen lower risk... BHP/insurance group does make a difference when comparing cars that have had a similar number of claims against them.
Anyway, back to the O.P :tongue:... BMW, Volvo or Toyota?
Be careful with those policies, not many other companies will acknowledge the no claims :wink:
I'm also with Bell, and have been since I passed my test. They have been by far the cheapest company for me!
thanks for the advice, 12 month policies work out slightly more expensive than if apportioning the 10 month one to 12 months, but i shall be considering this when i next renew now. i think anyone who use the same company as bell, (EUI ltd) i think it is will acknowledge the 10 month/1year NCB - such as Elephant and Admiral.
Think i am inclined towards the BMW as well for a bit of RWD fun, but the temptation of the Volvo pulling like a train in a straight line may be too good to refuse. I will be test driving the both of them anyway, i will let you know how i get on and what i opt to purchase in the end :grin:
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Both will be cheap due their gas-guzzler status, but the Beemer is more likely to have been thrashed about as the C70 is not the sort of car a petrolhead would own. Expect bigger mileage, but if the service history is solid on it, it's likely to be the better value - more equipment and better looked after.
You'll look like you belong down at the yacht club though, and should be wearing Pringle jumpers, red trousers and Hush Puppies. BMW for me from that choice. And I hate BMWs... :rolleyes: :laugh:
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Both will be cheap due their gas-guzzler status, but the Beemer is more likely to have been thrashed about as the C70 is not the sort of car a petrolhead would own. Expect bigger mileage, but if the service history is solid on it, it's likely to be the better value - more equipment and better looked after.
You'll look like you belong down at the yacht club though, and should be wearing Pringle jumpers, red trousers and Hush Puppies. BMW for me from that choice. And I hate BMWs... :rolleyes: :laugh:
Thats what i mean, I would like a C70 to be different, and T5 would be nice, but i cant really think of anything else around that sort of price thats quite a comfortable car, but not boring to drive at the same time - which the C70 might be, will probs end up with a BMW, trying to find a standard one with low number of owners and full service history :smiley:
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Choice of
new second hand car, I'd go for the Volvo, more understated, BMW's are for tossers.
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I'd take the BMW or Volvo, more pushed 60% to volvo with that budget.
Also the 10month accelerator is only transferable between sister companies, ie admiral to churchill (same group) anything outside that will not see it as a valid 1year NCB.
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M52 with a M50 inlet manifold wont make 220. ( also thats a flywheel figure now wheels )
having said that i had a 1992/93 325 coupe with mtec kit, alpina reps. looked the nuts, sounded awesome and went well. not bad for £300...
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2771409.htm
fits your budget, ugly as sin but rapid in a straight line (not sure if this one is auto)
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Quite possibly the most hideous looking car EVER.
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i think you meant to say this was the most hideous lookig car ever :grin: :grin:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/k9dog_/1b_3.jpg)
and people can see you driving it too :laugh: :laugh:
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2771409.htm
fits your budget, ugly as sin but rapid in a straight line (not sure if this one is auto)
My ex's Dad had one of these as a company car back in 1998. Fast as fook and very comfortable but 27mpg? Don't think so! He was getting 22 on a good day. Oh, and they weigh about the same as a small frigate. And rust like a gate hinge on a neglected house :laugh:
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BMW for me ;-)
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to be fair, any of those for that budget will be a nail, and will need cash spending to make it half decent again
+1 your goner need more cash to get a descent one
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Of those I'd go for the BMW too.
The Celica will have been hammered so you're likely buying problems.
As for the Volvo - yeah it's great that it maps to 280/300 hp but it's not a Focus RS. It's a barge. Power isn't the only way to get speed or fun.
The BMW has a nice balance of naturally aspirated power, RWD and a good chassis.
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to be fair, any of those for that budget will be a nail, and will need cash spending to make it half decent again
Not really true, they are very cheap as you just cant shift them (same for 323's) due to their thirsty habits. As long as the rear arch rust isnt too bad, the wishbone bushes arent shot, the brake lines arent rusty as hell (the one over the fuel tank is a b!tch to replace!) and the Vanos system is working properly theres not much that goes wrong with them. Try and find one with an LSD if you go for it (and dont get put off if its been fitted with one from an M3, the final drive is a much better choice) and fit an X brace from a cabrio under the engine bay, makes the handling a LOT more positive.
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Has to be the celica, I used to have one, epic cars. :)
Old ones will have been ragged but you could still find a good one within budget :)
(http://www.niot.net/niot_570/toyota_celica_gt4_niot.net%20%282%29.jpg)
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Quite possibly the most hideous looking car EVER.
There is hope for the MK3 yet!
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All good cars, I'd be more tempted by the Volvo as a car to keep. If you want want fun and want to be noticed get the Celica, my friend had a modified Black GT2 I nick named the cat fish :grin: Sick car :cool: he Sold it and bought a Golf 3 VR6 Highline :undecided:
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The Volvo will look mint lowered on decent wheels :lipsrsealed:
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M52 with a M50 inlet manifold wont make 220. ( also thats a flywheel figure now wheels )
having said that i had a 1992/93 325 coupe with mtec kit, alpina reps. looked the nuts, sounded awesome and went well. not bad for £300...
sorry mate, i know someone with 328i with 325 inlet manifold and it did make 220, the 328 manifold is very restrictive :smiley:http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2771409.htm
fits your budget, ugly as sin but rapid in a straight line (not sure if this one is auto)
please remember i am 20 - not 50 :laugh:
I have a job interview on wednesday, so i will wait and see the outcome so have a larger budget to play with, seriously considering the GT4 now, only if i get the pay rise from the job, otherwise i think it will be the BMW i will go for... however, for people that think the C70 is a barge, please do a youtube search on a review that was done on the old Top Gear... here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRiomRdg-2E
I think i need to test drive all of them to get a better idea, just want any of them whilst we have some decent weather and fun before Winter comes around again :smiley:
only thing that put me off the toyota - it reminds me alot of Need for Speed lol.. jap overdone cars with huge body kits haha.
The Volvo doesnt look that bad though, hell of a lot of car for the money!!
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have you thought about pug 106 gti? saxo vts? or similar nippy, good handing hatches?
106 gti i would consider, not interested in saxo due to the chav reputation.
ideally id like to steer away from french cars in general though :smiley:
Famous last words!
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have you thought about pug 106 gti? saxo vts? or similar nippy, good handing hatches?
106 gti i would consider, not interested in saxo due to the chav reputation.
ideally id like to steer away from french cars in general though :smiley:
Famous last words!
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very famous last words as i now own a Saxo.... haha, cant believe you dug this post out of nowhere mate!! :laugh: