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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Mike87Turbo on 17 January 2011, 19:56
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Hi all, im just after a bit of technical advice if i may?
Th'engine is knackered on my missus 1994 gold 1.4 3 door and we have bought a vento fronted '97 GTI 5 door AGG as a donor :grin:. The GTI is in perfect running order with a genuine 100,143 miles and full history and i am doing the conversion this weekend.
The issues i have are as follows:
It has a sigma alarm connected to c/l on all doors, so what would i have to do to remove the electrics that go to the rear windows/locks without affecting the other electronics?
Also, im doing a full conversion so i am swapping all the abs unit and re-making all the brake pipes too so that everything is done properly. Is this going to involve full pedalbox swapping and what do i need to look out for?
Im a fully qualified mechanic but my electrics knowledge isnt the best!
Any help on these would be greatly appreciated as i want to make sure im doing it all right!!
I will be taking pictures/notes whilst doing the build so i will provide a full illustrated guide once its finished and running, in case anyone does want to try a similar thing in the future. The main issue i think is transforming from a 3 door to a 5 door.
Thanks guys (and gals), Mike
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Hiya
whats wrong with the gTI, i mean why not just run that and scrap the 1.4 ?? or is the gti damaged etc??
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Everything is plug and play mate, just ignore all the people who say "just buy a GTI". If you want to do it then do it.
I converted my 3dr 1.4 to a TDI by swapping everything over.
Drop the engine, subframe, brakes, suspension down in one then swap. The engine loom is simple to swap from the fusebox.
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No the gti is perfect with tax and mot! Plus the missus loves her golf and its a rare colour, never seen one like it!
I am going to drop the engine/box/subframe as well as swapping the rear axle.
My main concern is the electrics coming from a 5door to a 3door.
One thing i was thinking of is just tucking the rear door electrics/locks behind the 3doors rear quarter panels.
Everything will be swapped over including the fusebox, all looms and the dash.
Thanks, Mike
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Never worth the bother to be honest.
Have you checked the insurance as insuring conversions can work out more expensive.
Seems a lot of work to keep the 1.4 when the GTI is the better car, yes it might be a rare colour but still only a 1.4.
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Sorry but im baffled at then point of this when you say it's a decent solid car with tax and MOT!?!?...surely it's quicker and easier just to sell the 1.4 and spend the cash on the GTI?
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Never worth the bother to be honest.
Have you checked the insurance as insuring conversions can work out more expensive.
Seems a lot of work to keep the 1.4 when the GTI is the better car, yes it might be a rare colour but still only a 1.4.
Meh!...beat me by seconds. :wink:
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Never worth the bother to be honest.
Have you checked the insurance as insuring conversions can work out more expensive.
Seems a lot of work to keep the 1.4 when the GTI is the better car, yes it might be a rare colour but still only a 1.4.
Meh!...beat me by seconds. :wink:
Sorry :smiley: still makes more sense to keep the GTI.
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If you have the time and skill I don't see what the issue is (although it's not something I would do myself, but I'm lazy/talentless/both)
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Eve3r considered painting the GTI in the same colour as the 1.4? :rolleyes:
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I know everybody keeps saying to just keep the gti but then you have a gti!
We want to make something different. Weve already spent a lot of time and money on the 1.4 and the colour is rare! Plus it would cost a fortune to paint it and then register the colour change with the DVLA.
A lot of people would keep the gti but i will have leftovers to sell and a 5 door would not fit in well with the project/look that were going for!
Thanks, Mike
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I understand what you saying but the conversion makes no sense :smiley:
Unless it is for insurance reason :lipsrsealed:
Ps: what is this rare colour.
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What in life is "worth it"?
Its worth it to him, its worth it.
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I understand what you saying but the conversion makes no sense :smiley:
Unless it is for insurance reason :lipsrsealed:
Ps: what is this rare colour.
Red?
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What in life is "worth it"?
Its worth it to him, its worth it.
Yes but does building a GTI when you have a tax'd and mot one make sense :smiley:
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What colour is the 1.4?
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Do you have any pictures of the cars mentioned?
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I dont have any pics currently but will do tomorrow as ill be taking pics as i do the conversion, so ill have before and after shots!
Its not for insurance reasons, as were on trade policy which covers modified cars too.
The main priority is keeping the 1.4 shell as the missus really likes it and doesnt want a 5door/different car. We just picked up a vento fronted gti for the right money off of fleabay.
The colour is an extremely dark metallic grey, similar to mkiv dark grey but its darker than that!!
Thanks, Mike
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Do you know the paint code? It'll be on the white sticker stuck inside the service manual and the one stuck inside the boot of the car.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4302991
Could this be it?
Pearl metallic grey
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7050/pearlgreymetallic.jpg)
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Are you putting the Vento front onto the 1.4 shell?
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Do you know the paint code? It'll be on the white sticker stuck inside the service manual and the one stuck inside the boot of the car.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4302991
Could this be it?
Pearl metallic grey
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7050/pearlgreymetallic.jpg)
:shocked: :shocked:
Best Mk3 with arches ever!
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looks good don't it. ive got a Storm grey 5dr 16v but im literally in the midst of deciding whether to ditch my arch kit or not.?
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Storm (metallic) grey
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn95/vw-po-low/Golf4.jpg)
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thai-wronghorse - its similar to the first one only its much darker than that! Unless the sun hits the paint it looks black, but then you can tell its grey! And the logbook says grey too!
Cheers, Mike
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A bit like shady's front wing then?
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I dont know shady lol! Sorry yes the vento front end is going on, but its going to be a very different looking beast when its finished!! Sort of euro/OEM but with a slight rat twist!
Cheers, Mike
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So... You like the rare colour... But you're going to rat it?
My brain!
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Haha no im not going to 'rat' it, i said slight rat twist. The body colour will stay the same with the exception of the bonnet and roof! But mostly the influences will be euro.
A few unique styling touches will be applied but all will be revealed in a couple of weeks time :D
Cheers, Mike
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As far as rat/euro touches are concerned...
(http://image.eurotuner.com/f/8958149/0611_eurp_01z+1995_vw_golf_vr6_and_1997_vw_gti_vr6+front_view.jpg)
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Sorry for hogging the thread but having just stumbled across this gem i had to share, this is how i want mine to look.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/sandlock/DSC01081.jpg)
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17924741
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Storm (metallic) grey
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn95/vw-po-low/Golf4.jpg)
Like the wheels, are they comp's
I dont know shady lol! Sorry yes the vento front end is going on, but its going to be a very different looking beast when its finished!! Sort of euro/OEM but with a slight rat twist!
Haha no im not going to 'rat' it, i said slight rat twist. The body colour will stay the same with the exception of the bonnet and roof! But mostly the influences will be euro.
A few unique styling touches will be applied but all will be revealed in a couple of weeks time :D
Shady;s dub rides thread: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=160909.0
This seems odd, on one hand you say it is rare but now your going for a rat / euro look :undecided: would have been better to have found a 16v or VR donor to be honest, still seems a whole lot of work to go from 60bhp to 115bhp.
Sorry for hogging the thread but having just stumbled across this gem i had to share, this is how i want mine to look.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/sandlock/DSC01081.jpg)
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17924741
That I really like, tastefull and not over the top :cool:
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+1 pale gold against the grey looks really good.
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Those euro'd golfs are similar to the look were going for, but less show'n'shine and more 'every day jawdropper'.
Its not about the power, or we would have opted for an ABF or VR6. Its more about the overall spec such as:
A bit more power (vast improvement over 1.4 im sure you will agree)
Reliability
Bigger (safer) brakes
5 stud, more wheel options
Comfort options (electric windows, central locking, nice seats, etc...)
Plus the fact that i couldnt even buy an engine from a 16v or vr for the same price i got the complete donor gti.
All in all its financially the best buy as im already running a Vectra GSI MSD V6 lol!!
Thanks, Mike
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Those euro'd golfs are similar to the look were going for, but less show'n'shine and more 'every day jawdropper'.
Its not about the power, or we would have opted for an ABF or VR6. Its more about the overall spec such as:
A bit more power (vast improvement over 1.4 im sure you will agree)
Reliability
Bigger (safer) brakes
5 stud, more wheel options
Comfort options (electric windows, central locking, nice seats, etc...)
Plus the fact that i couldnt even buy an engine from a 16v or vr for the same price i got the complete donor gti.
All in all its financially the best buy as im already running a Vectra GSI MSD V6 lol!!
Thanks, Mike
As long as you are aware that you will need to swap everything and I mean everything.
Off topic but what year is the Vectra GSI and are you on VVOC btw.
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5 bolt is generally worse for wheels I thought...
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Yep im aware, thats why im changing everything including the whole abs system,looms,dashboard,suspension and axles. The only thing from the 1.4 will be the carpets and the shell. Everything else will be from the gti.
Im a mechanic by trade so im quite looking forward to it. Just waiting on the last couple of shiny new parts to be delivered and then im good to go.
My GSI is a 2000 and i am on VVOC but its been that long since ive been on it ive forgotten my username and password haha!
Cheers, Mike
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@ Jack: Usually maybe but i require the larger brakes, and the wheels were going for can only be found in 5stud flavour!
Cheers, Mike
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Yep im aware, thats why im changing everything including the whole abs system,looms,dashboard,suspension and axles. The only thing from the 1.4 will be the carpets and the shell. Everything else will be from the gti.
Im a mechanic by trade so im quite looking forward to it. Just waiting on the last couple of shiny new parts to be delivered and then im good to go.
My GSI is a 2000 and i am on VVOC but its been that long since ive been on it ive forgotten my username and password haha!
Cheers, Mike
Fuel tank I think is different as well :undecided: but as you said eveything will need swapping over.
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Fair play!
Looking forward to seeing how this turns out!
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I say crack on mate, id love to do something like that but dont have the cash. At the end of the it wil be your own custom car and uno it wil be 1of a kind (sort of) when youve finished it. Good luck mate hope it goes well
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At first i was like WTF!!! :shocked: are you fcuking nuts!!!
Then i was like, who are we to dictate what you can and cannot do!
Good luck with it mate and we want pics of the whole process! :cool:
Dub Rides Thread (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=45.0)
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CHEERS vr6_wherry will do! Ill provide a full guide to the process with pics once completed as i have seen that other members are looking into the same thing (albeit maybe not as in depth as im doing).
YAY Vinyl and Jamex suspension arrived today!! Cant wait to get cracking on friday now!!
Much Love
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good luck mate, do whatever you want to your car if it makes you happy!
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F**k it, do it :D
I agree with the others, that it seems silly, but like Jamie said, who are we to tell you what to do! You asked for advice and you have been pushed in the wrong direction lol.
I kept my 1.4 (in my sig), still my first car :cool:
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Exactly! It's like telling someone doing a vr conversion to buy a vr, or someone doing a 1.8t conversion to buy a mk4! Either way it would be cheaper but it wouldn't be MINE lol
Cheers, mike
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Exactly! It's like telling someone doing a vr conversion to buy a vr, or someone doing a 1.8t conversion to buy a mk4! Either way it would be cheaper but it wouldn't be MINE lol
Cheers, mike
I respect you have your reasons and good luck with it but it still makes no sense what so ever. :smiley:, if you were fitting a VR to the 1.4 maybe but what your doing is reshelling the GTI due to the colour, fair enough but it will never be a GTI as such, whatever happens the chassis number will show it is a 1.4 and if you ever came to sell it people will still view it as a conversion.
Not having a go just saying how I see it. :smiley:
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Sorry to hijack, but what's going on with your sig :D
You seem to have Citroen written there?
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I know you're not having a go Wayne lol, but it's not just the colour, it's the car itself! My missus has had it ages and it only cost us £190. When we first bought it we got the whole (it's a turd) thing and from my point of view id like to prove those fookers wrong and show them what can be achieved with some tlc. From her point of view she doesn't want a black 5 door gti, she wants her grey 3door 1.4 pedal and pop. Thing is the engines knackered and instead of refitting a puny 1400 we found the gti cheap with the intent of a donor car!
Cheers, mike
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Looking forward to this! Good luck mate!