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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Steve30 on 11 January 2011, 12:03
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Please dont feed the animals.
I agree, why are these DERV boys allowed on here?
Be intreasting to hear what people say about Diesel Golf on the forum, so what are your thoughts & views?
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Please dont feed the animals.
I agree, why are these DERV boys allowed on here?
Be intreasting to hear what people say about Diesel Golf on the forum, so what are your thoughts & views?
Diesel is great :smug:
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to be fair the forum is pretty much just a golf forum anyway so why not allow derv's
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Diesel as a daily.
Petrol for fun.
:cool:
With cars like the Golf GTD and the BMW 535d diesel is becoming more about driver appeal as well.
I say there is a place for it on the forum.
It could be argued that a 'GTI' should be N/A and not turbocharged, but let's not go there.... :lipsrsealed:
:smiley:
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due to high fuel costs diesels are now the preferred option for the day to day mundane stuff but it doesn't beat the high rpm rush of a tuned petrol engine. I'll never again have a diesel weekend toy for this very reason.
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If you doing a lot of miles then diesels make sense and they have a place on this forum.
I still prefer petrol but I don't do a lot of miles.
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Diesels rock
Especially if you take it to these lengths!
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/193610.aspx?PageIndex=1
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/0903/cossie_power/Golf%20mods/?action=view¤t=304.mp4
304bhp in a MK4 :evil: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Diesels rock
Especially if you take it to these lengths!
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/193610.aspx?PageIndex=1
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/0903/cossie_power/Golf%20mods/?action=view¤t=304.mp4
304bhp in a MK4 :evil: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That is one hell of a sleeper :smiley:
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304bhp in a MK4 :evil: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
it could have 500bhp and still not feel fast though. In my mk2 I knew the car was fast (as I was overtaking everything) but it felt more like momentum rather than out-and-out speed. The lack of noise killed the sensation imo.
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As others have said diesel is optimal for the daily drive, some of them are quick as well. think there is a place for them on the forum as there are plenty of petrol non gti cars. but IMO a true GTi is NA and petrol
tho as far as the pet car/ weekend toy goes i don't think diesel can ever replace a cammed petrol engine. i just don't like the powerband of diesel in such cars, there is just somethign about the induction roar of an NA petrol engine at full chat, the bangs and pops on overun and occasioanly crashing into the limiter that just makes them fun.
Did try putting a PD in a golf 2 as well some time ago tho it was more to be used as a test bed for the wireing loom mods needed to get the engine running but it was taxed and MOT'ed so choiuild be driven around. IMO it was inpressive and crap at the same time hell did it pull but that was the only fun thing it it did it just wasent fun to try and drive it fast down twisty roads it was like all the GTiness had been extracted :( so after 2000 miles of testing the engine was extracted
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It could be argued that a 'GTI' should be N/A and not turbocharged, but let's not go there.... :lipsrsealed:
Very good point...
This site has evolved and moved with the times but the main focus is still about golfs regardless of their engine. I welcome all VAG cars and even non VAG in off-topic as most of us have had to move on due to sickening petrol prices. My daily now is a Mazda! :lipsrsealed:
If we were to start outcasting non GTI golfs the sites activity would drop dramatically.
Putting Diesel aside, what about the rest of the non GTI's, how many VR's and G60s are on here now?.... You've got some fascinating theads like the 24v turbo caddy! a quattro powered golf......and then there's all the MK3's! :lipsrsealed: :grin: the list could go on forever but I appreciate all of them and the people that put their time into this site.
Those that think they are true GTI nuts should take a look at what they drive and compare it to some of us that really put the work in to make our cars what they are today.
Over and out.
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Whats wrong with a turbocharged gti!? :smiley:
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IMO it was inpressive and crap at the same time hell did it pull but that was the only fun thing it it did it just wasent fun to try and drive it fast down twisty roads it was like all the GTiness had been extracted :(
that's exactly what my pd mk2 was like. Wasted effort imo.
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Whats wrong with a turbocharged gti!? :smiley:
You drive one! :grin:
Seriously though, nothing, that's my point.
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Welcome the dervs! i would own one if i did the miles to warrant it
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I for one welcome our new diesel overlords.
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you can only own a diesel if you have a petrol weekend toy.. end of..
You dont get diesel heads like you do petrol heads !!
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you can only own a diesel if you have a petrol weekend toy.. end of..
You dont get diesel heads like you do petrol heads !!
:evil: :evil:
Nothing wrong with a soot chucker at 185bhp and 356ft-lb doing 55mpg and £63 6 months tax. Weekend mk2 valver is another story.
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I admit Ad i want a mk4 diesel over my 1.8t.. but i also have the mk2 for a weekend toy.. when its done lol :grin: :grin:
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I just like the name tbh - DERV
(http://www.morethings.com/fan/south_park/photo_gallery/eric-cartman-210.jpg)
Deeeeerrrrvvvvv
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You can bat on about torque till your blue in the face but all proper sports cars and hot hatches are petrol. Diesel equivalents are just not as good.
Simple as that.
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You can bat on about torque till your blue in the face but all proper sports cars and hot hatches are petrol. Diesel equivalents are just not as good.
Simple as that.
Agreed but diesel motors have come a long way in the last few years... not like the old sluggish dogs they used to be and with common rail injection and balancing shafts they are so much quieter too.
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Yes all proper sports cars are petrol and f**king expensive to run. I'm talking real sports cars here, ferraris, lambo etc not gtis.
However to say that diesel should be forgotten about is foolish. There is a reason le mans winners are all diesel now.
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diesel owners bang on about how much torque they're car has but at the end of the day
WHO CARES :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Please note I never said there was anything wrong with diesels.
Some of them are great cars. What Im trying to get across is that petrol is simply better in terms of motoring.
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No i love them especially ones like a 535 bmw.. or a big litre audi.. my mates dads Q5 3.0 TDI goes like sh!t off a shovel..
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Yeah exactly, some decent ones out there. I bet your dads mates RS4 goes like even faster sh!t off a shovel.
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Please note I never said there was anything wrong with diesels.
Some of them are great cars. What Im trying to get across is that petrol is simply better in terms of motoring.
Alan in what way is it better (motoring Terms) ?? :undecided:
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His R8 is fooooooooking quick love it too bits.. im not sad but i licked it when he first bought it :grin: :grin:
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I've owned 2 GTIs, 2 TDIs and a VR6.
Petrol bought me to the forum, diesel is my daily.
Just because someone doesn't own a GTI at the moment doesn't mean they don't know about them.
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petrol is better for revving.. it sounds better.. v6/8 have a nice grumble.. are not dirty cars.. use a better coloured pump..
diesels have always been and for the foreseeable future will be commuting and long distance cars.. I think Diesel golfs should be called GTI's are they are worthy of it now..
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I think Diesel golfs should be called GTI's are they are worthy of it now..
They were on the MK4 :lipsrsealed:
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thing is they are getting so closely matched now tuning potential is nearly exactly the same only thing is they in my eyes are harder to work on.. If they sounded better i would of chose one instead of my 1.8t... but they sound like a tractor and on idle thats bloody annoying..
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Please note I never said there was anything wrong with diesels.
Some of them are great cars. What Im trying to get across is that petrol is simply better in terms of motoring.
Alan in what way is it better (motoring Terms) ?? :undecided:
Petrol engines don't sound like tractors, are more responsive and faster revving than diesels. Name me any model that has its flagship as a diesel?
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Please note I never said there was anything wrong with diesels.
Some of them are great cars. What Im trying to get across is that petrol is simply better in terms of motoring.
Alan in what way is it better (motoring Terms) ?? :undecided:
Petrol engines don't sound like tractors, are more responsive and faster revving that diesels. Name me any model that has its flagship as a diesel?
R50
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R50 ?
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Q7
Touareg R50
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I said cars, not buses :D
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unfortunate fail :grin:
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My bad :evil:
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0807/rhetorical-question-demotivational-poster-1216552363.jpg)
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you can only own a diesel if you have a petrol weekend toy.. end of..
You dont get diesel heads like you do petrol heads !!
You clearly have never seen this site:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/
Diesesal porn!
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You can beat a car that sounds likes it's fuelled with spanners and revs to 4k.
Phwoooooooor !
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Some of those crazy americans are approaching 6k rpm :shocked:
I think they just like rebuilding engines in their spare time/every weekend :grin:
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thing is a powerfull diesel still gets sh!t mpg just like petrol motors...
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Of course a petrol is faster revving Alan you tool. They work on completely different cycles. Petrol produce power high up the rev band, diesel produces it much lower down and everything from combustion to pv diagram is different. You simply cannot compare the two in terms of noise as its a pointless argument.
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If noise bothered me enough I'd kidnap this guy:
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=QXDNxkUiUws
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Of course a petrol is faster revving Alan you tool.
The fact is obvious its faster revving is not a point against petrol is it Slick?
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thing is a powerfull diesel still gets sh!t mpg just like petrol motors...
really? My 250bhp/350lbs PD150 seemed to return pretty good mpg :wink:
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Of course a petrol is faster revving Alan you tool.
The fact is obvious its faster revving is not a point against petrol is it Slick?
I personally wouldn't count it as one no mate. Like I mentioned in my previous post the way the engines develop their power are poles apart. What's the point of having a fast revving diesel, when there is no power to be gained from making it do it?
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I see what your saying and agree but do you not think driving a car in a spirited way that revs high and fast is more enjoyable than changing gear every 2 seconds when you reach 4k?
Im not trying to say diesels are sh!t, far from it. From a motoring and driving experience point of view petrol is simply better. The only reason anyone has a diesel is because they want better MPG. Why have a 170 GTD diesel when you can have a more powerful, better sounding 210 2.0T petrol in the GTI? Because you want 45MPG. Simples.
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I see what your saying and agree but do you not think driving a car in a spirited way that revs high and fast is more enjoyable than changing gear every 2 seconds when you reach 4k?
Im not trying to say diesels are sh!t, far from it. From a motoring and driving experience point of view petrol is simply better. The only reason anyone has a diesel is because they want better MPG. Why have a 170 GTD diesel when you can have a more powerful, better sounding 210 2.0T petrol in the GTI? Because you want 45MPG. Simples.
I'm inclined to agree with this. Though mpg figures in the new GTI aren't bad for what you get tbh :grin: