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Title: (((((VR6 STANDARD - TO - VR6 TRACK ))))))
Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 21:42: AS SOME OF YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW I AM PREPARING MY GOLF VR6 MK3 FOR TRACK USE !

TO DATE I HAVE STRIPPED OUT THE WHOLE INTERIOR BACK TO THE METAL (SURPRISING HOW MUCH THE CARPET AND UNDERLAY WEIGHS)

IVE ALSO COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT THE DASH, JUST NEED TO CUT OUT ANY WIRES THEY ARE NOT NEEDED.

TODAY I HAVE JUST BOUGHT A FULL SET OF POLYCARBONATE WINDOWS, SHOULD BE WITH ME BY THE 6TH OR 7TH SO LOOKING FORWARD TO STRIPING OUT MORE WEIGHT FROM ALL THE DOORS IE WINDOW MECHS AND MOTORS (THEY WILL BE FOR SALE IN THE CLASSIFIED SECTION AS SOON AS.

DOES A MK2 ROLL CAGE FIT A MK3 ?

ANY INFO OR ADVISE TO SET UP MY VR6 FOR THE TRACK WOULD BE GREAT !

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Title: Re: (((((VR6 STANDARD - TO - VR6 TRACK ))))))
Post by: Deano2711 on 01 January 2011, 21:45: Not being funny or negative Mate but how many threads do you intend to open up asking the same thing ??
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 21:55: yea im just trying to keep this thread about my car and want to keep it sensible ! cheers
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 01 January 2011, 21:57: Quote from: Deano2711 on 01 January 2011, 21:45
Not being funny or negative Mate but how many threads do you intend to open up asking the same thing ??

Good point as I'm not sure where to read or post, certainly not going too try and keep up with all of them... I struggle as it with the main cars in dub rides at times.... Can I suggest you start a dub rides thread as you will be certain to get an audience there and lots of positive feedback.

I can't help much on a track car setup but am curious what your plans are for the front seats, what are you thinking of putting in there?
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Post by: dom on 01 January 2011, 22:22: Make sure you have decent tyres :wink:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 22:49: i was thinking of putting in 2 buckets with the mk3 fittment subframes
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:10: if you have two mk3 vr6 golfs both standard but one of them has had weight taken out of it and now weighs exactly half of what the other does, how is the bhp then worked out ? does it then mean in reality the lightened car is now double the bhp of the completly standard vr6 when its driving on the road/track ? and not on the rollers ! if they were both put on the rollers they would both be approx 175bhp if they were put on the road what and how do you work out the bhp ?
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Post by: Bellend on 01 January 2011, 23:18: They both have exactly the same BHP. :huh:

The white wheels add 30BHP as the other guy with white wheels proved though.

The stripped out VR would have a better BHP per tonne, so would be quicker but I'm sure it would be far more nose heavy now.
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Post by: dom on 01 January 2011, 23:20: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:10
i have a question !!!! if you have two mk3 vr6 golfs both standard but one of them has had weight taken out of it and now weighs exactly half of what the other does, how is the bhp then worked out ? does it then mean in reality the lightened car is now double the bhp of the completly standard vr6 when its driving on the road/track ? and not on the rollers ! if they were both put on the rollers they would both be approx 175bhp if they were put on the road what and how do you work out the bhp ?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Power would be exactly the same regardless of weight.

However the power to weight ratio of the stipped out car would be better, meaning it would be slightly faster, but definately not more powerful :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: Wayne on 01 January 2011, 23:21: No a mk2 cage will not fit.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 01 January 2011, 23:25: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:10
i have a question !!!! if you have two mk3 vr6 golfs both standard but one of them has had weight taken out of it and now weighs exactly half of what the other does, how is the bhp then worked out ? does it then mean in reality the lightened car is now double the bhp of the completly standard vr6 when its driving on the road/track ? and not on the rollers ! if they were both put on the rollers they would both be approx 175bhp if they were put on the road what and how do you work out the bhp ?

Horse power of an engine never changes.... Doesn't matter what you do to the body, engine power is engine power and that's it... There are two main ways of measuring it, at the wheels and at the engines flywheel, reason for this is that the power at the flywheel is the motors true power, at the wheels is what you put on the road due to power that is lost through the transmission. this is why most people get their power measured at the wheels as this reflects what you truly have at your disposal.

weight does play a major role though, what you are doing is upping your power to weight ratio. You may have heard this before.... Power to weight is very important. Having 175bhp sounds great but in a car that weighs well over a tonne, it's not so good. My car should have around 135bhp which doesn't sound as good as yours, however with my car being so much lighter it will have a far better power to weight ratio over a standard mk3 vr6. Power to weight is usually quoted per tonne. For example. If your car weighed a tonne and had 200bhp, your car has 100 bhp per tonne and that's what's important.

Hope that helps
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:25: ok so in reality the bhp of a car is not the most important thing to be worrying about !
and as bellend stated the stripped out car would be more nose heavy for obvious reasons, that being said what can be stripped/cut away to lighten the front end ?
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Post by: Wayne on 01 January 2011, 23:27: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:25
ok so in reality the bhp of a car is not the most important thing to be worrying about !
and as bellend stated the stripped out car would be more nose heavy for obvious reasons, that being said what can be stripped/cut away to lighten the front end ?

Not a lot, biggest / heavest part is the engine, VR's are nose heavy.
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Post by: JC on 01 January 2011, 23:28: :grin:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:36: soundillusion i understand what you said, but not quite sure how you worked out the bhp per tonne ?

you said

(For example. If your car weighed a tonne and had 200bhp, your car has 100 bhp per tonne and that's what's important)

would it not be = if my car weighed TWO tonne and had 200bhp, my car has 100bhp per tonne ?
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 01 January 2011, 23:38: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:25
ok so in reality the bhp of a car is not the most important thing to be worrying about !
and as bellend stated the stripped out car would be more nose heavy for obvious reasons, that being said what can be stripped/cut away to lighten the front end ?

It is important but what counts is how much you have per tonne which is why the yanks always get it wrong. You're doing the right thing in making your car faster by stripping its unnecessary weight.

I get the impression that you have a few quid to chuck at this car after the talk of supercharging. Money could be better spend in trying to lower the front end weight. As said there isn't a great deal you can do but you could ditch the bonnet for carbon or fibreglass to lose some front lard, relocate the battery to the boot to shift some? Do you intend to keep the car road legal so that you can drive it to the track?
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 01 January 2011, 23:40: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:36
soundillusion i understand what you said, but not quite sure how you worked out the bhp per tonne ?

you said

(For example. If your car weighed a tonne and had 200bhp, your car has 100 bhp per tonne and that's what's important)

would it not be = if my car weighed TWO tonne and had 200bhp, my car has 100bhp per tonne ?

Doh! Sorry, typo. Yes that's what I meant. :grin:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:50: i do have a few quid to throw at it but at the same time i dont want to throw to much at it if i dont have to as it is just a hobby for me ! and after my last thread that i started and got abused i kinda learnt from you guys that there is more to a track car than grunt power or bhp so i think im going to focus on weight brakes and susspension set up and try and get the car ballenced right on the track,and then maybe look at a turbo or super charger at a later date or when the engine snaps !

i would like to keep the car just about road legal as its always easyer to drive it to the track ! but if it makes a major difference then f@CK IT ILL COMPLETLY TRACK IT AS IM NOT TO FAR FROM THE TRACK ANYWAY.

ps im happy i could help you understand the bhp per tonne lol
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:53: o
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Post by: Peej1981 on 02 January 2011, 00:01: Hey mate this is what I said to you about concentrating on the set up of the car before you look at big bhp. The cars that have good set UPS set fast time, yes it does help having big bhp but you are not always going to have a long enough straight to use it, glad to see you are now thinking about the actual set up of your car.

Also glad to see some advice now coming in for you mate :grin: :grin:
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Post by: Seanl on 02 January 2011, 00:11: Bin your aircon pump and all associated stuff. That will remove a fair few k's to start with from the front end
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 00:14: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 01 January 2011, 23:53
stupid question for ya = do you need to have a bonnet on the car for the track ? would they still let you go on ?

yep. gotta be said, your stop on there.

have a read of

https://tickets.motorsportvision.co.uk/MSV-info/trackday_terms/Brands%20Hatch%20Trackdays%20Terms.pdf

as sated on your other thread , by DH, dash board back in would be a good place to start :smiley:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:17: ok air con pump ect will be going ! why would puting the dash back in help in anyway ?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:22: ok so the bonnet idea is not a good one ! read the vehicle requirements ! any ideas on the bonnet vents ?
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 00:24: well for one we live in britain, it rains, or is cold - a LOT

you have ripped the dash, and all assocaited pipework for your DE-MISTERS and blowers out.

weight saving is one thing, practicality, especially as you have stated you might want to drive it to and from the track come first however.

furthermore, dont forget to inform your insurance company of your " deviation " from standard car :smiley:
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:27: Depending on how serious you are, perhaps it's a good idea to start a thread in the track section.

Those boys will sort out your brakes, suspension & cage for how serious you are then start one in the MK3 board for supercharging.

But I feel your budget will take a BIG hit after the suspension, a PROPERLY installed cage and brakes.

But IMO they are far more important then engine BHP and thats purely the reason, IMO that the 16V is a far better choice for track as it's lighter already.

& as Chuff said, how are you going to see when it mists up? :huh:

I'm sure DH will offer some very to the point & sarcastic advice but I would actually listen.
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 00:31: Quote from: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:27
Depending on how serious you are, perhaps it's a good idea to start a thread in the track section.

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

there already is :rolleyes:
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:34: F*ck me! Post whore.

I will see this on track one day I guess. Moving close enough to Brands Hatch to get free pass thingy's.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 00:36: Quote from: Chuff on 02 January 2011, 00:31
Quote from: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:27
Depending on how serious you are, perhaps it's a good idea to start a thread in the track section.

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

there already is :rolleyes:

And most other available places on this site.... I think a mod should move this to dub rides at least. :smiley:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:36: i have riped out the dash but i did leave in the central air blower and dials/switches !

i have trade insurance so i am legal to drive any vehicle with any mods (im a car trader) by trade
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:40: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:36
to let some hot air out when on track as to lower the temparature or the engine

:grin:

I think that's called a radiator.......
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:44: o
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:50: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:44
it is fact that bellend that if you turn your hot air blowers on it does reduce the temeprature of the engine, radiator or no radiator

If you've got an issue with the heating system yes.

Otherwise, no. The thermostat should make sure of that.

It should sit at 90, heaters on or not. If you have to or it makes a difference, I wouldn't be thrashing it around a track.
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Post by: golf-sib on 02 January 2011, 00:51: If I was you GTFO off this forum before they slay you like george did to the dragon...

If I was you I would look at examples of track cars, a lot of people mod differently as well, there is no wrong or right way but some common sense should still be applied. All depends on what your after as well and what tools you got to your disposal, also telling people of your budget as well as what tools you have can help with the forum helping you.

I think stripping is definitely the first and right step to a track car as it will see the biggest and quickest gains in terms of "BHP/tonne" as a unit, plus selling some parts to get money back is a good way to get some cash, the VR6 engines IMO are overrated, but each to their own. But it doesn't mean it will ruin your chances of having a car fit for a track, as long as it makes you smile thats all that matters.

Vents and heat issues are not a huge issue on your car being NA (naturally aspirated), so don't waste and worry about heat issues just yet, try and stiffen the body up, from bushes etc, tires will also play a huge roll, as your brakes are only as good as your tires. Then take your brakes into consideration, on smaller circuits you will be picking and braking frequently, so consider using slightly uprated brake fluid to cope with the temps (a possible product like "Castrol Super dot4" would be good as it would not be to expensive per litre compared to "castrol SRF"), uprating to steel braided hoses is another step forward, then taking into consideration which pads and discs you will use. I uprated my brake hoses and fluid, which stopped the spongy feel when the braking temperatures kick in, but then the pads started to bake and smoke (modding is a never ending game, you improve one thing to find you need to improve another), then funneling a cold intake to the filter is another mod that can be done, won't benefit much but still a benefit... Thats a staring point in advise, just take things step by step and read up on things as well as look at other projects out there, this will inspire you on what to do, as two track cars are never the same.

Plus it looks like your not to far from me :grin: quite a few lads on this forum not to far from us
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 00:52: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:36
i have riped out the dash but i did leave in the central air blower and dials/switches ! for two reasons the front screen missting up and to let some hot air out when on track as to lower the temparature or the engine (see i was thinking lol)

i have trade insurance so i am legal to drive any vehicle with any mods (im a car trader) by trade

OK i'll say it then... Um.. Bo11ox is what I have to say to that... What exactly does trade cover you for?
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 00:55: Quote from: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 00:52
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 00:36
i have riped out the dash but i did leave in the central air blower and dials/switches ! for two reasons the front screen missting up and to let some hot air out when on track as to lower the temparature or the engine (see i was thinking lol)

i have trade insurance so i am legal to drive any vehicle with any mods (im a car trader) by trade

OK i'll say it then... Um.. Bo11ox is what I have to say to that... What exactly does trade cover you for?

Bosses + me are on trade.

They can drive whatever they like when they like but they have to have their own cars on the policy. I can drive anything as long as it's linked to business and can be proven in case of an accident.

I'm still sure the car would have to be put on the policy and many do not cover modified vehicles as personal. I'm POSITIVE it won't cover track either.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 01:33: It's gone quiet here now, was waiting to see how your policy works... I'm sure you cant own a car or a track car without declaring it. Would you not have to put this on the policy as it is your own car and declare all the mods that are on it?
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 01:35: Quote from: Sou[ftp][/ftp]ndillusioN on 02 January 2011, 01:33
It's gone quiet here now, was waiting to see how your policy works... I'm sure you cant own a car or a track car without declaring it. Would you not have to put this on the policy as it is your own car and declare all the mods that are on it?
Yep anything owned must be declared and most don't do modified cars.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 01:37: im with tadex and the small print basically says that I AM insured, as appossed to the car being insured ! my cover is upto £20,000 ! meaning they will only pay me out upto 20grand if i have a crash or car gets stolen ect , its quite a good policy as any car i own or i am in perssetion of is covered, be it a £50 metro or a £100grand bently.

obviously no insurance will cover any car on the track unless you have speccifally arranged track insurance.

my insurance is different from yours soundillussion as any car i have or drive does not have to be linked to my trade....

i pay approx £1600 a year and that covers me my wife and the wifes mums fella ! so its appox £500 each a year ! not bad
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Post by: mwep201081 on 02 January 2011, 01:41: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 01:37
im with tadex and the small print basically says that I AM insured, as appossed to the car being insured ! my cover is upto £20,000 ! meaning they will only pay me out upto 20grand if i have a crash or car gets stolen ect , its quite a good policy as any car i own or i am in perssetion of is covered, be it a £50 metro or a £100grand bently.

obviously no insurance will cover any car on the track unless you have speccifally arranged track insurance.

my insurance is different from yours soundillussion as any car i have or drive does not have to be linked to my trade....

i pay approx £1600 a year and that covers me my wife and the wifes mums fella ! so its appox £500 each a year ! not bad

what about 3rd party damage?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 01:43: what about it ?
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 01:47: E :smiley:rm I think you may need to have a chat with your insurance company. The 20K sounds like vehicles you OWN's worth.

20K isnt a lot if you hit a full car.
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Post by: mwep201081 on 02 January 2011, 01:52: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 01:43
what about it ?

forget it....not getting involved
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Post by: golf-sib on 02 January 2011, 02:10: Quote from: mwep201081 on 02 January 2011, 01:52
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 01:43
what about it ?

forget it....not getting involved

Please do! I offered sound advice on the last page that got ignored, so now its either another arena round of keyboard warriors with popcorn, or I'm off to play fable 3
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 02:11: all insurance companys would pay out the 3rd party if your at fault ! if your not at fault your insurance would want to claim from the 3rd partys insurance ! thats what insurance is for, more so to cover other people to make a claim agaist you ....

bellend im a trader and i know insurance inside out, the 20k is the maximum my insurance will pay me out if i make a claim, ie if i own or am in the perssetion of a £200grand bently and i write it off they will only pay me out a maximum of 20k, this 20k figure can be upped at any time, but not lowered untill my policy ends.

also any car i own or am in the possetion of can be moddified in anyway, i do not need to inform my insurance of this,nor does it affect my primium ! the only thing/car/s i can not drive is ammerican cars as this was an optional extra at a cost, i didnt want this on my policy as i will never drive buy or own a yank car.
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 02:59: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 02:11
all insurance companys would pay out the 3rd party if your at fault ! if your not at fault your insurance would want to claim from the 3rd partys insurance ! thats what insurance is for, more so to cover other people to make a claim agaist you ....

bellend im a trader and i know insurance inside out, the 20k is the maximum my insurance will pay me out if i make a claim, ie if i own or am in the perssetion of a £200grand bently and i write it off they will only pay me out a maximum of 20k, this 20k figure can be upped at any time, but not lowered untill my policy ends.

also any car i own or am in the possetion of can be moddified in anyway, i do not need to inform my insurance of this,nor does it affect my primium ! the only thing/car/s i can not drive is ammerican cars as this was an optional extra at a cost, i didnt want this on my policy as i will never drive buy or own a yank car.

The way you wrote it sounded different.

That sounds about right. My bosses are covered 60k on their vehicles and any amount on customers.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 03:01: Quote from: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 02:59
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 02:11
all insurance companys would pay out the 3rd party if your at fault ! if your not at fault your insurance would want to claim from the 3rd partys insurance ! thats what insurance is for, more so to cover other people to make a claim agaist you ....

bellend im a trader and i know insurance inside out, the 20k is the maximum my insurance will pay me out if i make a claim, ie if i own or am in the perssetion of a £200grand bently and i write it off they will only pay me out a maximum of 20k, this 20k figure can be upped at any time, but not lowered untill my policy ends.

also any car i own or am in the possetion of can be moddified in anyway, i do not need to inform my insurance of this,nor does it affect my primium ! the only thing/car/s i can not drive is ammerican cars as this was an optional extra at a cost, i didnt want this on my policy as i will never drive buy or own a yank car.

The way you wrote it sounded different.

That sounds about right. My bosses are covered 60k on their vehicles and any amount on customers.

So Bellend, can't your boss be nice and help you out with your golf or are you too young/boss doesn't like you enough?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 03:04: It's a good policy to have, as u can jump in and out of any car and not worrie .....
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Post by: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 03:07: Quote from: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 03:01
Quote from: Bellend on 02 January 2011, 02:59
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 02:11
all insurance companys would pay out the 3rd party if your at fault ! if your not at fault your insurance would want to claim from the 3rd partys insurance ! thats what insurance is for, more so to cover other people to make a claim agaist you ....

bellend im a trader and i know insurance inside out, the 20k is the maximum my insurance will pay me out if i make a claim, ie if i own or am in the perssetion of a £200grand bently and i write it off they will only pay me out a maximum of 20k, this 20k figure can be upped at any time, but not lowered untill my policy ends.

also any car i own or am in the possetion of can be moddified in anyway, i do not need to inform my insurance of this,nor does it affect my primium ! the only thing/car/s i can not drive is ammerican cars as this was an optional extra at a cost, i didnt want this on my policy as i will never drive buy or own a yank car.

The way you wrote it sounded different.

That sounds about right. My bosses are covered 60k on their vehicles and any amount on customers.

So Bellend, can't your boss be nice and help you out with your golf or are you too young/boss doesn't like you enough?

21 to go on the policy. Basically it could go on for work hours only. I drive courtesy cars to and from work but not other times. I have to admit to doing it after one boss said he"d phoned and specifically asked if I could drive work cars at all times but after getting pulled over I got my other boss to check it out fully and basically I had two extremely lucky escapes.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 03:15: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 03:04
It's a good policy to have, as u can jump in and out of any car and not worrie .....

Never thought it was that flexible for personal cars and even if you can roll like that, don't you have to do it with these on?

(http://www.autorecoverycentre.com/communities/0/004/007/481/270/images/4537618836.jpg)
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 03:34: Dont need trade plates unless it has no tax as i took a new VW Golf out for test drive with tax and no traders plates..

For a start you picked a bad choice of car to start track driving imo.. But as you have it and have pulled it to pieces..

Roll cage ( full not a fanny half cage )
Big brakes ( or good quality disks and pads
Move battery to boot
remove air con and all associated parts..
relocate washer bottle to boot..
change bonnet and wings for carbon/ fiber glass copies..
lower on coilovers of good quality and dampening adjustable
carbon fibre bucket seats
and proper harnesses
a decent full exhaust manifold back
air filter with cold air feed..
get it rolling roaded and set up properly
front splitter
good quality helment and race suit ( as you dont want to burn in a fire lol )
maybe race logic traction control

The list my friend is endless with out a budget and without knowing what you really want to do no advice can be given..

And please please please please don't write a thread in capitals is very f**king annoying :grin:

All the best

tech1889
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 09:13: modified is one thing, road legal is another - and i am sure the polis will have a BIG interest in your lack of dash etc. but hey what do i know.

more cheese pleae gromit :grin:
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Post by: Peej1981 on 02 January 2011, 09:32: Quote from: Chuff on 02 January 2011, 09:13
modified is one thing, road legal is another - and i am sure the polis will have a BIG interest in your lack of dash etc. but hey what do i know.

more cheese pleae gromit :grin:

Im not sure they would bother with the fact he has no dash, he does still have the speedo's and there are no loose wires hanging around stop his vision, iv got a mate with a full stripped car and the police have pulled him twice now and never said anything about no dashboard however they did ask about the insurance knowing about the mods to the car.

Maty u said about your bonnet, well why dont you look at a carbon fibre one, that would save you a lot of weight, get rind of the lifter and put bonnet pins on. I think nw that every mod you do now has to take in the fact that it needs to reduce weight and work better so your breaks when yu uprate them need to work a lot better but weigh less, so things like this need to be reaserched. Look into getting some light weight alloys too as bet yours arent too good being the standard. The only wheels that i now a very very light but look good too are the OZ Ultraleggera, check then out on google, think they weigh 8kg each????
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 11:54: techs right you only need trade plates if you have no tax !

as ive mentioned a million times i didnt buy a vr6 to track. i bought it because i did and then later decided to track it.
(I KNOW THE VR6 IS NOT THE BEST CHOICE OF CAR TO TRACK) but i have it now and its what im working with.

peej do you know where i can get carbon fibre bits ?

im not 100% but i thought as long as you have indicators, speedo and there are no dangerous edges it was legal to have no dash,
basically its legal if it passes and mot ! and in an mot the only thing they check on your dash is the lights ! and by law it has to show a speedo ? i supposse the only real way to find this out for sure is to get pulled up a few time ! saying that i havent been pulled up in about 3 years !

the problem i have moding this car is is not the money its the time doing the mods as i work all the hours god sends and i work shift work ! so im just gonna plod along, get some tips off you guys and do what i can when i can.......
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Post by: dom on 02 January 2011, 13:12: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 02:11
also any car i own or am in the possetion of can be moddified in anyway, i do not need to inform my insurance of this,nor does it affect my primium ! the only thing/car/s i can not drive is ammerican cars as this was an optional extra at a cost, i didnt want this on my policy as i will never drive buy or own a yank car.

So your a car trader that can't drive any Fords, Chrysler etc? :huh:
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Post by: Peej1981 on 02 January 2011, 13:41: Sorry mate now 100% sure where you can get them from, best bet is to keep your ears to the ground and siv through the classifieds on here and ebay. However i did find this though, i would email the guy asking how much it weighs as it doesnt say, just to compare it against a standard one.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Seibon-Carbon-Fibre-Bonnet-Hood-VW-Golf-III-3-Mk3-93-98-/270613922476?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f01d8c2ac
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 14:55: british fords yes american fords no ! there are loads of fords in the states and oz that are not released in the uk,and there the ones my cover does not include, infact there are loads of fords that you or i have probly never heard of ie ford fairmont, ford tempo, ford torino, ford falcon, ford taunus, ford anglia, ford zephyr, ford zodiac, for lazer, ford bronco, the list goes on........... peej checked out that link,i have a bit of money at my dissposal but f@ck me £500 for a bonnet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 14:59: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 14:55

ford anglia, ford zephyr, ford zodiac,

Classic british cars. :smiley:
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Post by: dom on 02 January 2011, 15:00: Quote from: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 14:59
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 14:55

ford anglia, ford zephyr, ford zodiac,

Classic british cars. :smiley:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Was just about to say the same!
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 15:01: thats it anything released in the uk.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 16:41: so what is it you do by the way if you have to work shifts in the trade?

PS, I sugested a lighter bonnet, as did others, you say you want a vented bonnet, these guys kill two birds with on stone, 3 types of heavily vented fibreglass bonnets at 250 notes each.

http://www.car-mod-shop.co.uk/Volkswagen/VW-Golf/VW-Golf_MK3 (http://www.car-mod-shop.co.uk/Volkswagen/VW-Golf/VW-Golf_MK3)
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 17:42: i like that fibre glass bonnet with the vents £254 not too grim, that i think might now be on my list of do's ! cheers for that link ........

i work for group 4 security in the evening and trade cars in the day
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 17:57: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 17:42
i like that fibre glass bonnet with the vents £254 not too grim, that i think might now be on my list of do's ! cheers for that link ........

i work for group 4 security in the evening and trade cars in the day

Which one there's 3?....

Busy boy then
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 18:02: the one on the first page ! i think the other two look a bit boy racer and one doesnt have the vents i want.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 18:14: ive just dug ot my insurance documents my broker is (goldcrest insurance serivices ltd) and the policy is with (mma insurance) i would advise to check them out if your after insurance as they are quite good ! and i know them personally so let me know if anyone is looking for cover !
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Post by: dom on 02 January 2011, 18:22: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 18:02
the one on the first page ! i think the other two look a bit boy racer and one doesnt have the vents i want.

This one? :sick:

(http://www.car-mod-shop.co.uk/image/cache/data/VOLKSWAGEN/Capot%20(Bonnet)/GOLF%20III%20-%20MS25CP11-500x500.jpg)
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 19:13: thats the one think that would look quite smart ?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 20:14: any ideas on a suede d shape steering wheel and boss kit ? where i can buy this from ? i have found one or the other on ebay but im not sure on the fittment ect ! dont want to spend no more than £100 for wheel and boss ! has to be suede and d shape ?
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Post by: lemski on 02 January 2011, 20:30: Surely you should concentrate on lightening that front end up. Or swap out the vr for a 1.8t lump.
Just a sugestion like. And also maybe look for carbonfibre wings?
Liam
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Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 January 2011, 20:40: 1.8T is not much lighter than a vr6.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 20:41: yes mate ive had lots of advise to ditch the abs pump and get carbon fibre wings and bonnet ect ect ! i will do all this, 1 step at a time tho, rome wasnt built in a day lol ! as im sat by the pc i thought id order the strut braces and steering wheel + boss but cant work out the fittment for the wheel and boss ? and the rear strut brace i want i cant find ! i want the solid un-ajustable one that the harness straps too ???

alot of peeps keep telling me the vr6 wasnt the best choice of car for the track but its what ive got so im trying to make the most of what i have
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Post by: lemski on 02 January 2011, 20:41: Really. I would of though would be lighter by a fair way. Ice learnt somethinh new
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Post by: golf-sib on 02 January 2011, 20:53: Thought the vr6 only weighed 140kg without the gearbox, didn't think the 1.8T weighed much less, prob close to similar weight by the time you add the turbo on and the pipework? If anything a twin turbo'd vr6 would be ideal :evil:

Getting lighter components like alloys, such as "SSR Competition-H", then try and replace any external panels with lighter ones. Getting lighter battery as well, such as braile batteries. Uprate bushes like dogbone, this will increase cabin vibrations but reduce wheel hop. Smooth airbox out or induction kit. Full catback exhaust system with 2.5", upgrade camshafts to like 264degrees, this will prob give you the biggest bang for your buck on a N/A car
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 20:58: so why is it people keep telling me the vr6 is heavy and the gti would have been a better choice if they both weigh simmilar ?
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Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 January 2011, 20:59: The 2.0 16v lump is lighter than the vr6.
The 1.8T lump is not much lighter than a vr6.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 21:04: right i get it ! so like (golf-sib) said the ideal v-dub would be a turbo vr6 ! how true is this ? would the turbo on a vr6 compensate for the heavy weight ? and how would it compare to the 1.8t or the 2.0 16v with a turbo on it ?
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Post by: Peej1981 on 02 January 2011, 21:13: Turbo vr6 would be good but a charger one would be better in my opion just because you have the power there whilst yu have lag on the turbo, plus a turbo can run out of puff so all your power is in the middle. Im not saying turbo's are crap i just think on a track a charger might be better as your not having to keep the revs high to keep the turbo spooling.
The other issue i would be thinking is what ever you through in the engine from turbo to charger is where to mount the intercooler for maximum air flow plus you really need to have the pipes short and stright with as little turns as possible, too much pipe work will mean too much lag, you need to have the air as free and easy flowing as possible. :grin:

Really looking forward to seeing this when it is done, should be goood mate.
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 21:50: twin turbo one small for fast spool and a bigger one to take over for top end.. problem solved lol
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Post by: lemski on 02 January 2011, 21:53: Yeh 2 turbos is better than 1. :D
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Post by: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 21:59: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 20:58
so why is it people keep telling me the vr6 is heavy and the gti would have been a better choice if they both weigh simmilar ?

All figures from Autocar

Golf GTI 8V    1060kg
Golf GTI 16V   1160kg
Golf VR6    1230kg

A VR lump is a lot heavier than a ABF
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Post by: lemski on 02 January 2011, 22:02: And 1.8t is out of a mk4 is what I ment
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:02: ouch quite a difference in a track car..
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 January 2011, 22:04: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 20:41
and the rear strut brace i want i cant find ! i want the solid un-ajustable one that the harness straps too ???

ARGH. Your complete moronic nature is making my eyes bleed when I read these threads.

DO NOT attach harnesses (no doubt you'll buy 2" wide 4-point collarbone-snappers) to a rear strut brace.

Strut brace: braces the suspension strut towers

Harness bar in roll cage: used for attaching harness shoulder straps.
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Post by: Peej1981 on 02 January 2011, 22:07: Quote from: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 21:50
twin turbo one small for fast spool and a bigger one to take over for top end.. problem solved lol

Ok i stand down you win on this one :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Quote from: lemskigolf987 on 02 January 2011, 21:53
Yeh 2 turbos is better than 1. :D

Smell power can you Liam :laugh:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:10: Quote from: Diamond Hell on 02 January 2011, 22:04
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 20:41
and the rear strut brace i want i cant find ! i want the solid un-ajustable one that the harness straps too ???

ARGH. Your complete moronic nature is making my eyes bleed when I read these threads.

DO NOT attach harnesses (no doubt you'll buy 2" wide 4-point collarbone-snappers) to a rear strut brace.

Strut brace: braces the suspension strut towers

Harness bar in roll cage: used for attaching harness shoulder straps.

steep learning curve for the fella eh? subtle really is your strong point :laugh:
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Post by: lemski on 02 January 2011, 22:10: Yes mate badly. I'm going to make it a fragrence I call will call it POWER 2 is better than 1 :p
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Post by: Peej1981 on 02 January 2011, 22:14: Quote from: lemskigolf987 on 02 January 2011, 22:10
Yes mate badly. I'm going to make it a fragrence I call will call it POWER 2 is better than 1 :p

Sign me up for one of thoughs bottles :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:19: DH - woosa wooosaa calm my friend calm... Its not our fault people arent as clued up as ourselves :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:23: Quote from: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:19
DH - woosa wooosaa calm my friend calm... Its not our fault people arent as clued up as ourselves :grin: :grin: :grin:

:grin: :grin: :laugh:
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 22:26: Quote from: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:19
DH - woosa wooosaa calm my friend calm... Its not our fault people arent as clued up as ourselves :grin: :grin: :grin:

:laugh: :grin:

well i am surprised it took 2 days to be fair :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:29: o
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Post by: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 22:31: ^^That is a really bad move :smiley:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:33: Quote from: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 22:31
^^That is a really bad move :smiley:

oh dear I'll get the pop corn and beer :shocked:
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:34: Ive tried now im gona sit back and watch.. :evil: :evil:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:35: o
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:37: Quote from: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:34
Ive tried now im gona sit back and watch.. :evil: :evil:

yeah i was gonna go bed think i'll stay up for a while now :laugh:

cos you are SHOUTING and swearing not a bright move, just a tip you should have moved on and let it go... :wink:
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 22:37: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:29
DH WHY DONT YOU f**k OFF ! IF I MAKE YOUR EYES BLEED STOP READING MY THREADS ! AS YOU ALREADY KNOW IM ON HERE AS IM NOT A CAR TUNING EXPERT AND LOOK FOR ADVISE ON HERE ! THIS IS WHAT I MEANT - THE HARNESES STRAP ROUND THE REAR STRUT BRACE
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

nice move,

the one bloke who despite his hatred of mk3s, and has done a lot of track days including a few ring trips and who could help you posts in his usual style and u reply like that - :grin: :laugh: he speaks his mind, even when giving the ADVICE you are seeking :lipsrsealed:

followed by in agreeement by wayne - unusual in itself. :evil:

you going to tell him to fcuk off too, :rolleyes: cos you arent geting the answer you like

well done - how to look a prize plonker in one easy lesson . :afro:

oh and the report button is >>>>>> way

the door is <<<<<< way

Have a nice day now :smiley:

perhaps you need to take your own advice mate.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:39: o
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:43: Quote from: Chuff on 02 January 2011, 22:37
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:29
DH WHY DONT YOU f**k OFF ! IF I MAKE YOUR EYES BLEED STOP READING MY THREADS ! AS YOU ALREADY KNOW IM ON HERE AS IM NOT A CAR TUNING EXPERT AND LOOK FOR ADVISE ON HERE ! THIS IS WHAT I MEANT - THE HARNESES STRAP ROUND THE REAR STRUT BRACE
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

nice move,

the one bloke who despite his hatred of mk3s, and has done a lot of track days including a few ring trips and who could help you posts in his usual style and u reply like that - :grin: :laugh: he speaks his mind, even when giving the ADVICE you are seeking :lipsrsealed:

nicely put chuff... :kiss: :laugh:

followed by in agreeement by wayne - unusual in itself. :evil:

you going to tell him to fcuk off too, :rolleyes: cos you arent geting the answer you like

well done - how to look a prize plonker in one easy lesson . :afro:

oh and the report button is >>>>>> way

the door is <<<<<< way

Have a nice day now :smiley:

perhaps you need to take your own advice mate.

:wink:

here we go then

again nice chuff very diplomatic :cool:

oh an DH is the god of sarcasm as the forum says HELP and SARCASIM :smiley:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:44: o
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 22:47: right i shall do this in simple terms

1, CAPITALS on forums is known as SHOUTING - thus impolite - an unwritten rule, but it has been mentioned in a few of your threads and perhaps you have missed it.

2, you have asked for advice, and they are all answering it, all be it in their own unique ways, ( you learn these over time ) but if its something you dont like you START SHOUTING AGAIN AND THE MUGGING OFF commences.

3, even when its sound advice, it appears ( to me anyway ) that if you dont like it you get all abusive and the swearing and telling people to fcuk off - not a good way to get further help

4 the biggest thing, this is an open forum, people have the right to give positive and negative feedback - thats how it works

and remember

(http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/Themes/2_SlickPro_Graphite/images/newlogo3.jpg)

this place can and will save you a fortune in help, tips, discounts, assistance etc etc etc :smiley: but a LOT of the people answering have their own way of doing it.

if you dont like the way they post IGNORE it, rather than rising to it.

you have a lot more to GAIN this way compared to the knowledge you will MISS OUT on otherwise

:smiley:
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:48: Im trying to give you advice bud.. DH is well known for giving advice even if he is blunt in doing it he is a knowledgeable man especially on track cars..

Don't put harnesses on a strut brace you need a cage with a harness bar.. a normal general rear strut brace is sh!te as its just bolted on.. where i would recommend just getting one made up and welded on as then it will really STIFFEN up the rear end..

A cage would be one of the first things on my list.. also i like cages with door bars.. harness bars.. bulk head bars.. pretty much every kind of bar except one that sells alcohol... they aren't expensive for what they do and one day may save your life..

I tihnk its good taking a not great car and working to get it to track worthy and a mk3 set up properly and 'properly' being the key word can handle well on a track.. At the moment if its just for a laugh then your doing well.. if you want to embarass some people then you need to do all the things that have been listed..

Also get some switches put in there a track is not a track car without some nice flick switches :smiley:

Also have you considered a plumbed in fire extinguisher bay and cabin ?? or just bay..

I go to a few Drift days with my friends who drift and they're cars are looked at quite closely and everything other than extinguisher is checked even battery cut.. bolts holding a wheel on.. etc etc.. so if serious its a lot of work buddy.. and more importantly a lot of money..

Forget about power and weight just stick it on a track and see what it feel like..
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 22:49: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:43

again nice chuff very diplomatic :cool:

gotta be nice (ish) since i went from poacher to gamekeeper :wink:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 22:49: Maisy, nothing sarcastic in DH's post there.... That comes from the heart, doesn't want the poor fella to hurt himself. And this dodgy harness setup has come up quite a bit in other posts so it must be getting a little tiresome for him now. :grin:

Mmmaaatttttyyyyggggg... You need to chill...

And mods please move this to dub rides.
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Post by: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 22:51: I reckon he's a troll, possible from the mk6 section... :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:54: o
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:56: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:54
BEING BLUNT AND CALLING ME A MORON ALL THE TIME ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS ! I DONT CARE WHAT YOU ALL SAY DH IS A twit AND NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO TALK TO PEOPLE ! FOR ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE ADVISED ME RIGHTLY AND NOT CALLED ME A MORON EVERY 2 MINS ! THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ITS BEEN GREATLY APPRICIEATED.

maybe u could teach him some manners eh :undecided: just a thought like
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 22:56: im trying to give advice but your not replying to the advice lol
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 22:57: OH MY GOD

THIS DOESNT HAPPEN OFTEN

BUT

I GIVE UP
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:57: o
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:58: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 22:57
ON A SERIOUS NOTE GO BACK AND CHECK MY POST THEN CHECK DH'S REPLI ! AND TELL ME THAT HIS REPLI WAS WARRENTED !

IF YOU DONT WANT TO HELP DONT WRITE ON MY POST EVERY SO SIMPLE

will you please stop shouting :angry: its aggressive
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 22:59: :grin:
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Post by: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:00: Your lucky Chuff doesnt have Global powers. otherwise bye bye. (chuff now texts vaughn...) :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:01: o
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:02: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:01
TECH IM LISTENING TO YA MATE ! IM TAKING IN EVERYTHING ALL OF YOU ARE TELLING ME AND TRYING TO ABSORB IT ALL ! QUITE ALOT FOR A NOVIS ! BUT AT THE SAME TIME IM NOT A LITTLE KID AND DONT EXPECT TO BE SPOKEN TO LIKE A DICK EVERY 2 MINS.

your still shouting :wink: need help??? turn the caps lock button off :smug:
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Post by: apie2004 on 02 January 2011, 23:02: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:01
TECH IM LISTENING TO YA MATE ! IM TAKING IN EVERYTHING ALL OF YOU ARE TELLING ME AND TRYING TO ABSORB IT ALL ! QUITE ALOT FOR A NOVIS ! BUT AT THE SAME TIME IM NOT A LITTLE KID AND DONT EXPECT TO BE SPOKEN TO LIKE A DICK EVERY 2 MINS.

It might not be caps lock he could have a sticky shift key. Seriously matty, done be a twit
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 23:03: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:33
oh dear I'll get the pop corn and beer :shocked:

i tried, I really did, but alas, it wasnt well recieved - so as you asked so nicely

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/popcorn.gif)

infact, shift over a bit

thats better

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/chuff69/popcorn.gif)
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Post by: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:03: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:05: Quote from: Chuff on 02 January 2011, 23:03
Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 22:33
oh dear I'll get the pop corn and beer :shocked:

i tried, I really did, but alas, it wasnt well recieved - so as you asked so nicely

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/popcorn.gif)

infact, shift over a bit

thats better

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/chuff69/popcorn.gif)

nearly wet me self laughing thanks hold on need a pee save me seat :grin:
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Post by: myvr6isarocket on 02 January 2011, 23:07: (http://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/wank.gif)
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Post by: lemski on 02 January 2011, 23:08: Well. Popcorn out and its not what I expected. I though dh would be back. I think it would be better to get back to the thread at hand
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:10: Quote from: myvr6isarocket on 02 January 2011, 23:07
(http://busworld.freeforums.org/images/smilies/wayne kerr.gif)

are you the strong silent type or have i missed something? cos i cant see anything
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Post by: myvr6isarocket on 02 January 2011, 23:12: trouble with a gif
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:13: o
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 23:13: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:10
Quote from: myvr6isarocket on 02 January 2011, 23:07
(http://busworld.freeforums.org/images/smilies/wayne kerr.gif)

are you the strong silent type or have i missed something? cos i cant see anything

swear filter changed the link so it wont work :wink:
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Post by: dan_apps on 02 January 2011, 23:15: Steve you are probably the best person to talk to the OP, tell him about how you deal with your anger issues :grin: :grin:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:16: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:13
look at the pic this is what i meant and what i want ! the harness attaches to the strut brace at the back ! where was the need to call me a moron ? was no need was there DH
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

thank you :kiss:

mate just cos its in a photo dont make it right tho. you wouldnt believe the pictures in a beano would you?

i get called much worse things on a daily basis in my job, laugh it off or ignore it
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Post by: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:17: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:13
look at the pic this is what i meant and what i want ! the harness attaches to the strut brace at the back ! where was the need to call me a moron ? was no need was there DH
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

And DH is telling you that this is the incorrect way to mount a harness bar. you need a proper roll cage with a purpose built harness bar. look at proper racing cars and see where the harness is mounted instead of cars from max power
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Post by: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:18: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:16
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:13
look at the pic this is what i meant and what i want ! the harness attaches to the strut brace at the back ! where was the need to call me a moron ? was no need was there DH
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

thank you :kiss:

mate just cos its in a photo dont make it right tho. you wouldnt believe the pictures in a beano would you?

i get called much worse things on a daily basis in my job, laugh it off or ignore it

not a copper are you :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: tech1889 on 02 January 2011, 23:18: I always look at rally cars when i want track car inspiration believe me it helps as they are strong as fook
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Post by: dom on 02 January 2011, 23:18: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:13
look at the pic this is what i meant and what i want ! the harness attaches to the strut brace at the back ! where was the need to call me a moron ? was no need was there DH
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

And i'm sure DH would call the person who owns that car a moron too, he clearly has way more experience with racing cars on tracks than you do. Why don't you do yourself a favour and get your head out of your arse so you can read and understand the advice that you are being given :huh:

On a brighter note, well done for finding the caps lock key :afro:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:19: Quote from: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:18
Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:16
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:13
look at the pic this is what i meant and what i want ! the harness attaches to the strut brace at the back ! where was the need to call me a moron ? was no need was there DH
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/mmaattyyg/vr6strutbrace.jpg)

thank you :kiss:

mate just cos its in a photo dont make it right tho. you wouldnt believe the pictures in a beano would you?

i get called much worse things on a daily basis in my job, laugh it off or ignore it

not a copper are you :lipsrsealed:

no mate, mental health nurse :wink:
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Post by: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:20: oh might meet you later in life :lipsrsealed: :wink: :grin:
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 23:21: Quote from: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:20
oh might meet you later in life :lipsrsealed: :wink: :grin:

does she do anger issues then :huh:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:22: o
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:23: Quote from: Steve_PD on 02 January 2011, 23:20
oh might meet you later in life :lipsrsealed: :wink: :grin:

cool you are in line after chuff :wink: take a seat i'll call you when i'm free :nerd:

yes i do, but he has trouble taking advice so i wont bother, unless he asks then take a seat etc :grin:

oh dear back to shouting :rolleyes:
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Post by: myvr6isarocket on 02 January 2011, 23:24: (http://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/banghead.gif)
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Post by: dom on 02 January 2011, 23:24: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:22
STEVE PD CHEERS FOR TELLING ME THAT ! WHY COULDNT DH TELL ME JUST LIKE YOU HAVE THAT THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO THIS ! THAT I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED ! BUT NOT BEING CALLED A MORON

STOP SHOUTING!!!!!

(http://www.jodybyrne.com/images/blog-images/megaphone-monitor.jpg)
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Post by: JC on 02 January 2011, 23:25: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:23
oh dear back to shouting :rolleyes:

or in picture form

(http://www.meh.ro/original/2010_03/meh.ro1318.jpg)

:smiley:
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Post by: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:26: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 02 January 2011, 23:22
STEVE PD CHEERS FOR TELLING ME THAT ! WHY COULDNT DH TELL ME JUST LIKE YOU HAVE THAT THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO THIS ! THAT I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED ! BUT NOT BEING CALLED A MORON

from reading the last few pages I'm going to call you a moron just because you CAN'T SWITCH THE FCUKING CAPS LOCK OFF!! :rolleyes:
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:26: have u been called a moron alot in your life? cos you seem to be taking it badly...wanna talk it over :undecided:
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Post by: dan_apps on 02 January 2011, 23:30: one for Steve and the OP!

(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r313/blue_cookiemonster_bucket/AngerManagement.jpg)
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Post by: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 23:33: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:26
have u been called a moron alot in your life? cos you seem to be taking it badly...wanna talk it over :undecided:

I hope you stick around, I love some of your replies. :smiley:
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Post by: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:35: wait till Andywash hears about this.. he will NOT be pleased...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRxPMXDaDxs/Sjuxr_y4M6I/AAAAAAAAAFI/BFEPvMzmhOs/s320/circle_1_m.jpg)
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:36: Quote from: Wayne on 02 January 2011, 23:33
Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:26
have u been called a moron alot in your life? cos you seem to be taking it badly...wanna talk it over :undecided:

I hope you stick around, I love some of your replies. :smiley:

I'm not going anywhere :wink:
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Post by: dan_apps on 02 January 2011, 23:40: Quote from: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:35
wait till Andywash hears about this.. he will NOT be pleased...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRxPMXDaDxs/Sjuxr_y4M6I/AAAAAAAAAFI/BFEPvMzmhOs/s320/circle_1_m.jpg)

Andywash would just have to reply to this thread and the world would implode! that is the type of power he commands!
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:41: Quote from: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:35
wait till Andywash hears about this.. he will NOT be pleased...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRxPMXDaDxs/Sjuxr_y4M6I/AAAAAAAAAFI/BFEPvMzmhOs/s320/circle_1_m.jpg)

erm whos andywash? i've heard for the circle of chuff but not trust as yet :grin:
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Post by: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:43: Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:41
Quote from: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:35
wait till Andywash hears about this.. he will NOT be pleased...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRxPMXDaDxs/Sjuxr_y4M6I/AAAAAAAAAFI/BFEPvMzmhOs/s320/circle_1_m.jpg)

erm whos andywash? i've heard for the circle of chuff but not trust as yet :grin:

kind of more... what is Andywash...

think of a Stig like deity for this forum... who would eat Chuck Norris for breakfast
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Post by: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:45: anyway... can we get this thread back on track (geddit) now please?

somewhere along the line we were attaching harnesses to strut braces and getting our knickers in a twist...
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Post by: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:48: Quote from: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:43
Quote from: maisy on 02 January 2011, 23:41
Quote from: Guy on 02 January 2011, 23:35
wait till Andywash hears about this.. he will NOT be pleased...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aRxPMXDaDxs/Sjuxr_y4M6I/AAAAAAAAAFI/BFEPvMzmhOs/s320/circle_1_m.jpg)

erm whos andywash? i've heard for the circle of chuff but not trust as yet :grin:

kind of more... what is Andywash...

think of a Stig like deity for this forum... who would eat Chuck Norris for breakfast

right got ya :cool:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 02 January 2011, 23:53: OMG! I've been to the shop and back and we're still on this..... Get over the moron comment now please, in fact stop being so fecking touchy... It's like listening to a mollycoddled 10 year old spit his dummy out over and over again.... I think I have been one of the most patient in this thread and your others but I'm starting to get a little bored of this shizzle now... Turn your caps off, stop shouting, stop overreacting and if you really are of similar age to me, please act like it.
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Post by: tech1889 on 03 January 2011, 00:02: sorry bud but what did you get form the shop lool ??
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Post by: dom on 03 January 2011, 00:06: Quote from: tech1889 on 03 January 2011, 00:02
sorry bud but what did you get form the shop lool ??

A harness bar :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 03 January 2011, 00:19: Quote from: tech1889 on 03 January 2011, 00:02
sorry bud but what did you get form the shop lool ??

Ciggies for the missus and some popcorn for this thread as it's about as VW related as the other halfs ford. Not sure this should even be in dub rides now, the guy might have to start yet another new thread!

Speaking of which, where are you Mmaattyyggg?
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Post by: lemski on 03 January 2011, 00:20: Maybe he's gone to the vrg forum to ask them or mk3golf forum. Ne where but here.
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Post by: Dmonday on 03 January 2011, 00:21: LOL

that is all.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 00:35: sorry guys im back just went to the shop to buy a harness bar ! what have i missed ?
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Post by: lemski on 03 January 2011, 00:38: ^ hilarious
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Post by: Bellend on 03 January 2011, 00:45: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 00:35
sorry guys im back just went to the shop to buy a harness bar ! what have i missed ?

I think someone may have called you a moron somewhere along the line?

Dunno if you noticed?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 00:50: o
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Post by: thatwillis on 03 January 2011, 00:52: Just read the whole 16 pages.

Now that entertainment. I recon the only reason he hasn't be banned is for our entertainment.

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Post by: lemski on 03 January 2011, 00:53: I don't see people getting banned much. What do you have to do to get banned?
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 03 January 2011, 00:54: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 00:50
your joking ! who was it ? hold on a min while i throw my dummie out the pram again

Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 00:35
sorry guys im back just went to the shop to buy a harness bar ! what have i missed ?

Damn your humour sucks.
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Post by: Bellend on 03 January 2011, 00:58: Quote from: lemskigolf987 on 03 January 2011, 00:53
I don't see people getting banned much. What do you have to do to get banned?

I think it starts with deicer.................
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Post by: lemski on 03 January 2011, 01:00: Hmmm. I think matty is safe for now
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 01:01: i got it now,i understand im not allowed to ask a question!!!!! im not allowed to get a bit annoyed when i get abused!!!! im not allowed to write in caps!!!!! im not allowed to be into cars!!!!!! im not allowed to not know everything about moddifiying cars!!!!! im defenitly not alloud to talk about roll cages or strut braces!!!!!
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 03 January 2011, 01:06: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 01:01
i got it now,i understand im not allowed to ask a question!!!!! im not allowed to get a bit annoyed when i get abused!!!! im not allowed to write in caps!!!!! im not allowed to be into cars!!!!!! im not allowed to not know everything about moddifiying cars!!!!! im defenitly not alloud to talk about roll cages or strut braces!!!!!

Are you serious?

(http://wallydownundy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/spit-the-dummy.jpg)
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 01:06: o
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Post by: lemski on 03 January 2011, 01:06: I'd just do it anyway. On a serious not at the end of the day its your car. If you eant it to have a harness bar with no cage fitted get it done. Just look through trackday and motorsport as its quite usefull.
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Post by: thatwillis on 03 January 2011, 01:08: Its cos your not listening... that's why you get the abuse... at the end of the day no one has to help you. Its all good will so respect it, be nice or foooook off :smiley:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 01:10: Quote from: lemskigolf987 on 03 January 2011, 01:06
I'd just do it anyway. On a serious not at the end of the day its your car. If you eant it to have a harness bar with no cage fitted get it done. Just look through trackday and motorsport as its quite usefull.

lemski at anypoint of this thread did i say i want a harness bar without a cage fitted ?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 01:11: o
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Post by: Bellend on 03 January 2011, 01:12: :afro:

I told you DH would give you some stick but at the end of the day, LOADS of advice has been put in front of you.

You start following and you'll gain the respect of everyone.

Strut brace harnesses are stupid as everyone has said, I don't want to go into it as I'm sure I don't know every reason why, other then the fact of why you would want your seatbelts on the suspension turrets? Also from what I've been reading off DH, it's something to do with the angles? I assume you won't want to be putting pressure on the upright of the seat, if that gives way then I'd imagine at the wrong angle of belt then your back would too.

The fibreglass panels are a good idea but you need to make a priority list.

My main priorities would be in random order:

PROPER CAGE, do much research and listen to the track day "experts" here.
Suspension, coilovers are great but are they really better then a dedicated shock/spring kit with damper adjustments?
Brakes, how old is the car? Does it have the 280mm brakes? Would it be worth upgrading to the 288mm with DECENT pads, discs and fluid? Would it be worth going 312mm? How serious are you?
TYRES. No point in doing it all on budget tyres is there?

Then I'd look into some decent seats. Again, I've not got a great idea on these, ask the track boys.

Wheels, you want some nice, light wheels right?

THEN when you've got ALL that sorted, I'd look at lighter panels, you seem set on chassis work, before you've got a cage? :rolleyes: and the engine mods. Turbo if you're really into it maybe.

Your budget will depend how serious you are, as will how quick it will be.

Chuck a grand at it and you may have a bit of a toy.

Chuck 10 grand (at a complete guess) and you may have a bit of a weapon.
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Post by: thatwillis on 03 January 2011, 02:18: Lovely pm..

Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 01:40
answer the question then dick head !

surprised its not in caps...

On here you might not know anyone but you get an idea what there like in the way they express themselfs. How they build their posts, how they put themselfs across, how helpful they are etc. You have people here trying to help and your still acting like a c u n t.

I'm not building a track car but i have had the fact that I need a harness bar drummed in to my head and not attach my harness to the rear strut brace because its dangerous i might just go get one...for the sake of it!

(http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4065970_f520.jpg)
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Post by: Khare on 03 January 2011, 02:20: :smiley:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 02:26: o
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Post by: NYSoul on 03 January 2011, 02:32: Matty.. I am not having a dig here, its a serious question.

What are you expecting to spend on the VR to make it track worthy?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 02:38: o
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Post by: NYSoul on 03 January 2011, 02:56: Again... I'm not having a dig but spending 5K on that is not really going to get you that much. The engine set ups you are talking about would be at least 4K.

Which would leave you
Box, Brakes, Cage, Suspension, Wheels, Tyres and Body to do on £1,000 ???

You can't scrimp when you pimp mate :wink:

If you had £15,000 to throw at it would still be miles behind this at the end of a lap.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Vento-VR6-Track-Race-Car-Built-VW-Not-golf-/150536117083?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item230ca6db5b

Like I say, I aint having a dig but if you have £5,000 go and buy a half decent built track car and go enjoy it
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 03:02: O
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Post by: Khare on 03 January 2011, 03:12: :smiley:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 05:07: will this ebay item will fit my car ? 300504159479 and can you please find me a boss to fit this wheel 250748917398 and my car ! thanks in advance
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Post by: Peej1981 on 03 January 2011, 08:14: I shouldnt see why it woudnt fi your car but i am not 100% clued up on the steering wheel front as as the bloke has said that it came off a rocco then it should do. Does you wheel have an airbag????
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Post by: dom on 03 January 2011, 11:05: Damn, what did I miss? Too much post editing for my liking :angry:
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Post by: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 11:29: FECK!!! i missed it all. but this guy has some serious anger management probs! i wonder if he realy does beat his wife up when she says something wrong :shocked:
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Post by: maisy on 03 January 2011, 11:31: Quote from: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 11:29
FECK!!! i missed it all. but this guy has some serious anger management probs! i wonder if he realy does beat his wife up when she says something wrong :shocked:

dont think she'd even need to say anything wrong to be fair :shocked: just anything he didnt agree with :rolleyes:
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Post by: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 11:36: BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG debate! :shocked:
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Post by: maisy on 03 January 2011, 11:42: Quote from: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 11:36
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG debate! :shocked:

dont you start shouting in all :grin: still got a headache..

who knows could be a nice bloke who's just sensitive about his car and taking advice. I'll pass on meeting him at any shows tho. :sad:

that said the show seasons not far off now yippee
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Post by: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 11:44: :grin: just tryna get my point across!!!! :cry:
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Post by: maisy on 03 January 2011, 11:51: Quote from: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 11:44
:grin: just tryna get my point across!!!! :cry:

moron :grin: :grin: :grin: :kiss: tee-hee

jeez imagine if someone really insulted him :rolleyes:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 11:55: http://www.meanmachines.biz/store/ what do u think of the s-wheels on here ? Yea mine does have air bag
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Post by: dom on 03 January 2011, 11:58: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 11:55
http://www.meanmachines.biz/store/ peej what do u think of the s-wheels on here ? Yea mine does have air bag

Can I suggest that if you're only going to address 1 forum member you kindly use the PM function :kiss:
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Post by: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 12:02: FACKING LAVELEY JABLEY!! :grin:
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Post by: maisy on 03 January 2011, 12:02: Quote from: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 12:02
FACKING LAVELEY JABLEY!! :grin:

pmsl :grin: :grin:
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Post by: Guy on 03 January 2011, 12:32: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 11:55
http://www.meanmachines.biz/store/ what do u think of the s-wheels on here ? Yea mine does have air bag

utter chav rubbish.... imo
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Post by: sharki786 on 03 January 2011, 12:56: CHAVTASTIC??? :grin:
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Post by: Guy on 03 January 2011, 13:05: been thinking about this... I reckon, imho, that one of the best investments you can make when going onto the track is making sure you get a good instructor to teach you how to drive... a good driver in a bad car will be much better than a bad driver in a good car!

of course this does mean that you will have to listen to their advice without getting all shouty... think you could manage that? :huh:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 03 January 2011, 13:51: Quote from: Khare on 03 January 2011, 03:12
:smiley:

It's a shame these have been edited... They were very interesting, Khare this one with only a smiley now was my favourite. So what happened? how come he had a change of heart, and why did he not just delete his posts?
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Post by: maisy on 03 January 2011, 14:55: perhaps he had a drop of dutch courage :smug: :smug:then sobered up :sick: then got frightened? :cry: :cry:
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Post by: The Doc on 03 January 2011, 15:05: Quote from: dom069 on 02 January 2011, 23:18
Why don't you do yourself a favour and get your head out of your arse so you can read and understand the advice that you are being given :huh:

Priceless advice :wink:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 03 January 2011, 16:20: Mat..... When you've got a minute, start a thread in dub rides which is really where this should have started in the first place, put this one to bed.. Before you do though have a quick look at some others and see how they flow and the sort of stuff people post up. Its the best place to post your progress and to get positive feedback. Also it's a bit give and take on here so others will appreciate what you have to say about their car and you are more likely going to attract them to look at yours.

Dub rides is a child board in the VW Related chat section.

Best advice I can give is try not to ask everything in one go, you want to get things done so take it slow and post your issues as you find them then act on the advise accordingly. By the end of it you might just get the car you are aiming for and a nice log of everything you have done as opposed to a thread full of sh*t which sadly this has turned into.
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Post by: Khare on 03 January 2011, 16:23: At his nice request I edited but all out.
I'm not frightened of anything, just spiders :grin: and heights :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: xkaty_h on 03 January 2011, 16:36: Can't believe I missed this whole thread for this long!
Some serious entertainment has been occurring! :sad:
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Post by: dom on 03 January 2011, 16:51: Quote from: xkaty_h on 03 January 2011, 16:36
Can't believe I missed this whole thread for this long!
Some serious entertainment has been occurring! :sad:

I wouldn't worry, i'm sure that there will be another one :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: The Doc on 03 January 2011, 21:19: Quote from: dom069 on 03 January 2011, 16:51
I wouldn't worry, i'm sure that there will be another one :lipsrsealed:

And when there is please be so good as to notify me Dom :wink:
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Post by: dom on 03 January 2011, 21:24: Quote from: The Doc on 03 January 2011, 21:19
Quote from: dom069 on 03 January 2011, 16:51
I wouldn't worry, i'm sure that there will be another one :lipsrsealed:

And when there is please be so good as to notify me Dom :wink:

No probs Doc! :smiley:
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Post by: Thom89 on 03 January 2011, 21:59: Quote from: Khare on 03 January 2011, 16:23
At his nice request I edited but all out.
I'm not frightened of anything, just spiders :grin: and heights :lipsrsealed:

I saw what happened Khare, and leave it that common sense prevailed... :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:

mmaattyyg's constant bombardment of questions, mixed with a good helping of abusive, abrasive replies to well respected members of the forum, who would go miles to help someone out, will never go down well, the damage has been done...
If I were mmaattyyg, I would screw my dashboard back together, then cut and run...

Thom
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 23:37: just bought this item for the vr6 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260438836493&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT any good !
also bought this item for the vr6 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150455825609&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
also bought this item for the vr6 x2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390218822352&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
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Post by: tech1889 on 04 January 2011, 00:13: Nice mate me personally I don't like flat bottomed wheels but each to their own.
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Post by: robz on 04 January 2011, 08:59: Hilarious thread!!!
21 pages of hopelessness!!
Preferably a thread that cant be replied to may help :D
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Post by: JC on 04 January 2011, 09:13: Quote from: thom89 on 03 January 2011, 21:59
Quote from: Khare on 03 January 2011, 16:23
At his nice request I edited but all out.
I'm not frightened of anything, just spiders :grin: and heights :lipsrsealed:

I saw what happened Khare, and leave it that common sense prevailed... :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:

mmaattyyg's constant bombardment of questions, mixed with a good helping of abusive, abrasive replies to well respected members of the forum, who would go miles to help someone out, will never go down well, the damage has been done...
If I were mmaattyyg, I would screw my dashboard back together, then cut and run...

Thom

Thom - think you are posting on the wrong forum again :laugh: :grin:
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Post by: Peej1981 on 04 January 2011, 09:20: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 03 January 2011, 23:37
just bought this item for the vr6 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260438836493&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT any good !
also bought this item for the vr6 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150455825609&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
also bought this item for the vr6 x2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390218822352&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Like the wheel mate, looks good and better then the cheaper ones you posted up before. :cool: I was :shocked: at how much the windows cost. didnt know they would cost that much but they will save you weight.
Good idea about the fire extinguishers, cheap too, hope they actually have something in them :laugh: :laugh:

Are you going to try and take a vid of your track day????
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 09:48: Yes mate I'll get a couple of people to video it !
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 10:06: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 09:48
Yes mate I'll get a couple of people to video it !

There were a few people on here that found some really good but very very cheap DV cams that can easily be placed in or outside a car... I think there were like £30 or something stupid but the quality was really good... I believe Horney and DH who both track cars have them.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 10:24: yea ive got two already that i use for my bike track days ! ill try and rig them both up, dont think ill upload them on here tho for obvious reasons.
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 10:26: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 10:24
yea ive got two already that i use for my bike track days ! ill try and rig them both up, dont think ill upload them on here tho for obvious reasons.

Let it go man. :rolleyes:
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Post by: dom on 04 January 2011, 10:27: Upload them anyway!
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Post by: VR6_Wherry on 04 January 2011, 14:43: 22 pages!! :shocked:

I caught a couple of the posts, but to be honest...i would rather be gang raped by elephants then to read this thread..
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Post by: Guy on 04 January 2011, 16:37: Quote from: VR6_Wherry on 04 January 2011, 14:43
22 pages!! :shocked:

I caught a couple of the posts, but to be honest...i would rather be gang raped by elephants then to read this thread..

bend over... Nelly is coming for you! :laugh:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 16:38: Quote from: VR6_Wherry on 04 January 2011, 14:43
22 pages!! :shocked:

I caught a couple of the posts, but to be honest...i would rather be gang raped by elephants then to read this thread..

Shame.... you missed some good posts.... they have gone now. :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: Mitching on 04 January 2011, 16:40: Quote from: VR6_Wherry on 04 January 2011, 14:43
i would rather be gang raped by elephants then to read this thread..
Now that's a sig!
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Post by: Guy on 04 January 2011, 16:41: Quote from: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 10:06
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 09:48
Yes mate I'll get a couple of people to video it !

There were a few people on here that found some really good but very very cheap DV cams that can easily be placed in or outside a car... I think there were like £30 or something stupid but the quality was really good... I believe Horney and DH who both track cars have them.

Horney yes, DH has a camera mount for a DSLR/Compact which suction pads to the windowz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WHsIIJOZ_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WHsIIJOZ_I)
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Post by: JC on 04 January 2011, 16:48: DH ( the moron ) uses a huge camera stuck inside the car :wink:
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Post by: Guy on 04 January 2011, 16:50: Quote from: Chuff on 04 January 2011, 16:48
DH ( the moron ) uses a huge camera stuck inside the car :wink:

that'll be a DSLR then :rolleyes:

moron :grin:
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Post by: Horney on 04 January 2011, 16:56: :grin:
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Post by: stow1985 on 04 January 2011, 22:54: 23 pages of utter crap :undecided:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 23:04: Quote from: stow1985 on 04 January 2011, 22:54
23 pages of utter crap :undecided:

You obviously missed the rather more entertaining posts before they got edited out.... but as far as VW related posts go, sh*t would some up a lot of it.... it's all good now, eventually a dub rides thread will start and i'm sure it will all be relative.... :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: stow1985 on 04 January 2011, 23:15: when i read standard-to-track, 23 pages long,

i thought this was going to be the dogs of a tread, but hey never judge a book by its cover :grin:
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Post by: tech1889 on 04 January 2011, 23:17: Your very right there.. this book has a sh!t cover and pages lol
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 23:24: I have learnt that a well titled thread that developes lots of pages very quickly usually means something has gone wrong. :grin:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 23:33: there i was thinking this was a great thread
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 23:48: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 04 January 2011, 23:33
there i was thinking this was a great thread
It soooooooooo could be... I really want to see this done. :smiley:

For the last time, dub rides thread.... :afro:
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Post by: stow1985 on 04 January 2011, 23:51: Quote from: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 23:24
I have learnt that a well titled thread that developes lots of pages very quickly usually means something has gone wrong. :grin:

thats sounds like good news to me, as ive got a poor titled tread and has taken 6 months to get onto page 2 :grin:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:01: SI im in dub rides ! any ideas so i dont get ripped to pieces again ?
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Post by: Guy on 05 January 2011, 00:03: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:01
SI im in dub rides ! any ideas so i dont get ripped to pieces again ?

:afro:

just post up what you do and ask if you need help/advice

have a look at some of the other dub rides threads - SoundIllusions is one of the better ones to take inspiration from :wink:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 00:10: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:01
SI im in dub rides ! any ideas so i dont get ripped to pieces again ?

Like I said, have a flick through some others on there, have a look at mine if you want.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=152606.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=152606.0)

You started well last time but it quickly went Pete Tong.

Like before, post what you've done so far (maybe copy and paste the good bits from this thread).

Each time you do something, post it up, people here love pictures of progress. Post your plans, if you're not sure if your plans are right, ask, if you get stick, think about why, if it seems out of order, don't bother rising to it. Most of us can see whats good and bad about whats said....

Best thing is not to try and cover every question you have in one go, question stuff as you plan to do it and you'll find the whole process become methodical yet usefull and you will will hopefully end up where you want to be in no time at all!
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Post by: Guy on 05 January 2011, 00:11: Quote from: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 00:10
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:01
SI im in dub rides ! any ideas so i dont get ripped to pieces again ?

Like I said, have a flick through some others on there, have a look at mine if you want.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=152606.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=152606.0)

You started well last time but it quickly went Pete Tong.

Like before, post what you've done so far (maybe copy and paste the good bits from this thread).

Each time you do something, post it up, people here love pictures of progress. Post your plans, if you're not sure if your plans are right, ask, if you get stick, think about why, if it seems out of order, don't bother rising to it. Most of us can see whats good and bad about whats said....

Best thing is not to try and cover every question you have in one go, question stuff as you plan to do it and you'll find the whole process become methodical yet usefull and you will will hopefully end up where you want to be in no time at all!

top advice there fella :)
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Post by: tech1889 on 05 January 2011, 00:13: maybe everyone is taking the piss because they are jealous ???

NOT :grin: :grin: :grin: sorry had to be done. im done now..
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 00:16: Quote from: stow1985 on 04 January 2011, 23:51
Quote from: SoundillusioN on 04 January 2011, 23:24
I have learnt that a well titled thread that developes lots of pages very quickly usually means something has gone wrong. :grin:

thats sounds like good news to me, as ive got a poor titled tread and has taken 6 months to get onto page 2 :grin:

:grin: Yeah yours is the best then!

Quote from: Guy on 05 January 2011, 00:03
just post up what you do and ask if you need help/advice

have a look at some of the other dub rides threads - SoundIllusions is one of the better ones to take inspiration from :wink:

Aww cheers fella.... it's going to be a very busy thread again soon. just chosen not to post anything for a reason! :lipsrsealed:

Oi tech! :laugh: better here than in the new thread!
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Post by: tech1889 on 05 January 2011, 00:18: I no i had to vent somewhere and didnt wana ruin the new thread..

In the dubrides the pic of the motor looks pretty clean mate.. how many miles on it ??
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:19: 140,000
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Post by: tech1889 on 05 January 2011, 00:19: not bad ive got a 2.0 16v with 134k on the clock and it pulls like a train.. the vr6 is good for a lot more..
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Post by: Wayne on 05 January 2011, 00:20: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:19
140,000

Are the cam chains quiet, at those miles you might want to look at replacing them before driving it hard.
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Post by: Guy on 05 January 2011, 00:22: Quote from: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 00:16

Quote from: Guy on 05 January 2011, 00:03
just post up what you do and ask if you need help/advice

have a look at some of the other dub rides threads - SoundIllusions is one of the better ones to take inspiration from :wink:

Aww cheers fella.... it's going to be a very busy thread again soon. just chosen not to post anything for a reason! :lipsrsealed:

i am keeping my beady eye on you! :wink:
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Post by: tech1889 on 05 January 2011, 00:24: +1 on above
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Post by: maisy on 05 January 2011, 00:29: bit of a bro-mance going on in here boys, :wink:

good luck.... keep calm and carry on :rolleyes:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 00:30: Quote from: Guy on 05 January 2011, 00:22
I am keeping my beady eye on you! :wink:

Pervert. :laugh:

Quote from: Wayne on 05 January 2011, 00:20
Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:19
140,000

Are the cam chains quiet, at those miles you might want to look at replacing them before driving it hard.

IIRC he has a stack of reciepts for major service items which included the chain and tensioners etc.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:42: its a little bit tappety but then the engine is the last thing im going to do, gonna try and get it track ready - the engine
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Post by: Peej1981 on 05 January 2011, 08:49: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 00:42
its a little bit tappety but then the engine is the last thing im going to do, gonna try and get it track ready - the engine

Did you not say that when you where going through the paper work about what has been done to the engine that the chain had been done????
If so when was it done as it shouldnt be tappety, like you said the engine is going to be the last thing you are doing, just make sure that you really lok after it then if you are going to take it around a track until you do something with it, last thing you need is it blowing up on you :laugh:
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Post by: Khare on 05 January 2011, 12:50: Look, we obviously don't like each other.

But please please please prioritize stuff. Before buying fancy steering wheels or vented hoods you don't need, sort stuff that needs sorting first like the tappety engine, any rust/welding needed, safety equipment (that includes a proper roll cage with a proper harness bar, seat, helmet, fire extinguisher) and then you can move to upgrading it for track use. You've done the first and most important thing already, stripped it, so now you can start adding upper and lower strut braces along with any engine mods you may want to do. Don't spend money pointlessly on parts you really don't need like that bonnet. You're better off spending it on track driving lessons or a trackday different than brands hatch or even a set of trackday tyres.
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Post by: Len on 05 January 2011, 12:55: Seperate set of wheels and tyres would be first on my list then go drive it on a track!
Then do fancy stuff!
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 13:08: Quote from: Len on 05 January 2011, 12:55
Seperate set of wheels and tyres would be first on my list then go drive it on a track!
Then do fancy stuff!
Then be confident that you have some legal tyres for the ride home... good point
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Post by: Wayne on 05 January 2011, 13:25: Quote from: Khare on 05 January 2011, 12:50
Look, we obviously don't like each other.

But please please please prioritize stuff. Before buying fancy steering wheels or vented hoods you don't need, sort stuff that needs sorting first like the tappety engine, any rust/welding needed, safety equipment (that includes a proper roll cage with a proper harness bar, seat, helmet, fire extinguisher) and then you can move to upgrading it for track use. You've done the first and most important thing already, stripped it, so now you can start adding upper and lower strut braces along with any engine mods you may want to do. Don't spend money pointlessly on parts you really don't need like that bonnet. You're better off spending it on track driving lessons or a trackday different than brands hatch or even a set of trackday tyres.

Excellent advice :afro:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 January 2011, 13:59: Quote from: Wayne on 05 January 2011, 13:25
Excellent advice

Yes, it's amazing what reading a few posts on here and doing f*ck all can teach someone, isn't it? :grin:
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Post by: Khare on 05 January 2011, 14:03: Quote from: Diamond Hell on 05 January 2011, 13:59
Quote from: Wayne on 05 January 2011, 13:25
Excellent advice

Yes, it's amazing what reading a few posts on here and doing f*ck all can teach someone, isn't it? :grin:

It's called common sense.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 14:06: yes peej it was done a year ago if i remember rightly !

khare the plan is to get bits and pieces as i find them online, there is no rust and/or welding to be done ! the roll cage, harnese, strut braces, and seats or next on the list,
i have got the poly windows,steering wheel and fire extinguishers. the bonnet was just a thought, i do want it but i will leave that till ive done the more important things. the engine other than the very light tappety sound seems in good nik,so ill plod along and enjoy untill she goes pop. when i have done everything i want to do,ill then sort the engine out hopefully before it lets go, but saying that i do think the engine is sound !

len for now im gonna just leave the wheels that are on it, it has yokohama tyres they look like semi slicks, so ill see how i get on with them !
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 January 2011, 14:38: Quote from: Khare on 05 January 2011, 14:03
It's called common sense.

Irony in action.
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Post by: VR6_Wherry on 05 January 2011, 15:43: Quote from: Diamond Hell on 05 January 2011, 14:38
Quote from: Khare on 05 January 2011, 14:03
It's called common sense.

Irony in action.

:grin: :grin: :grin:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 15:46: So is this car running two threads now then, one clean and one for the use of sarcasm and wit?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 15:56: from my knoledge this is the (rip matt thread) im just glad i can be of assistance in entertaining you all
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 16:04: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 15:56
from my knoledge this is the (rip matt thread) im just glad i can be of assistance in entertaining you all

who asked you d!ckwad?

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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 16:58: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Post by: SoundillusioN on 05 January 2011, 17:08: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 16:58
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Ah stop it now...

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Post by: Peej1981 on 05 January 2011, 18:24: I think that you are defo going in the right direction and at least you are sorting out setting the car up first before looking into crazy engine mods. It is a good idea to maybe look into buying another set of wheels the same as your but with some road tyre and swap them around, the last thing you want is to keep paying for tyres after each track session. Remember the semi's will run their tread down a lot fast then normal tyres and as yours are a high end brand they wont be cheap to replace.
Your engine shouldnt go bang if it has been looked after, which by the sounds of it the previous owner has, just make sure that it is serviced often, when i say service i dont mean change oil, plugs and clean the air filter, try to get it up onto a ramp and check all the bushes for play, steering rack and arms, brake pipes, discs, pads etc etc. Really go to home on each service, this way you might catch something that before breaks. :smiley:

Actually thinking about it have you cheack all the bushes on the car, i would advice doing it and maybe upgrading them to poly bush ones. Such a simple thing like the bushes will help it corner faster plus they will last longer too.
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Post by: Bellend on 05 January 2011, 18:25: Hang on a sec, you plan to use your current tyres?

One good track session, what you driving home on?
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Post by: dom on 05 January 2011, 19:28: Quote from: Bellend on 05 January 2011, 18:25
Hang on a sec, you plan to use your current tyres?

One good track session, what you driving home on?

It's only 7 miles home, i'm sure he'll manage on the rims :laugh:
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Post by: golf-sib on 05 January 2011, 19:37: Aye brands hatch is litrally one road up from him, but if he plans other tracks then the track only rims/tires would be a good idea
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Post by: JC on 05 January 2011, 19:47: Sensible head on here for a moment to EVERYONE, and Matty, this is a Viewpoint from a NON fence sitter.

Are we not all getting a BIT carried away ?

YOu have got the car to a good starting point, and with some fine tuning of the wiring etc post dash removal etc and a check over of the basics as per DHs post in ya trackdays post.

BUT, shouldnt we get ONE track day done and dusted before we go splashing more cash on spare wheels etc etc etc.

Why some will ask,

A few reasons,

1, its a VR6
2, its a mk3
3, never done a car track day before

So as its now at a Usable point, i would do just that, USE IT, do one track day and make sure its for you.

Again, just me thinking that way, oh well,

:smiley:
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Post by: Chris-White on 05 January 2011, 20:09: Quote from: Chuff on 05 January 2011, 19:47

So as its now at a Usable point, i would do just that, USE IT, do one track day and make sure its for you.

indeed. from my admittedly not massive track experience ( 5 trackdays and a ringtrip) and chatting to others i have come to the conclusion that theres no real point to building a full on, expensive track car. At the end of the day, you wont be spotted by redbull racing talent spotters, noones timing you, and as long as your going quick enough to have fun then its all good. A standard vr stripped will be fine for this. When you start to master it and want a bit more speed, then start looking at upgrades, or just buy a scooby and start the learning curve all over again.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 January 2011, 20:44: And remember - don't wear a race suit unless it's got your name stitched into the back of it.

Otherwise everyone will be asking 'who's that c*nt in the race suit?'

I just took the rear seats and some trim out of my Golf before its first track outing. Made sure it wasn't leaking any fluids and tipped up and drove on.
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 21:05: im only 7 mins away from brands but yea i have thought about getting another set of wheels with track tyres on, but like ive said and like chuff has just pointed out its in useable condition for now, so thats what ill do, use it for now.

im on the track on the 29th so ill do what i can before that, fingers crossed ill get the roll cage in with all the strut braces, so ill live to write another post,

its coming along ok considering im at work mon-fri

dh ive just ordered my race suit ill be sure to get mmaattyyg stitched in lol
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Post by: golf-sib on 05 January 2011, 21:12: Would love to go onto the track, is it a open day and if so how much for the track. As I remember prept did something last year and that was quite cheap and then there was that moron that almost crashed into the stand in the car park, do you go prept, as I found it a waste of time on the majority whenever I went but the corrado owners from down south are the only good bunch I've seen down there
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 January 2011, 21:19: Quote from: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 21:05
im on the track on the 29th so ill do what i can before that, fingers crossed ill get the roll cage in with all the strut braces, so ill live to write another post,

Track days are generaly pretty safe. If you've done a number of them on a bike you should really know that.

If you have a proper cage you won't need strut braces, you're f*cking obsessed with strut braces. :rolleyes:
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 21:59: f**k it I'm not gonna get struts and I'm never gonna mention them again !
Golf -sib it's about £140 ! Check the msv website ! It's open pit so in and out as much as you want ! Pop down anyway !
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Post by: Peej1981 on 05 January 2011, 22:03: Thats not a bad price i thought it might have been more, mmmm wouldnt mind having a go myself, just for fun though dont want to strip my car out for it. :grin:
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Post by: stow1985 on 05 January 2011, 22:31: Quote from: Chris-White on 05 January 2011, 20:09
Quote from: Chuff on 05 January 2011, 19:47

So as its now at a Usable point, i would do just that, USE IT, do one track day and make sure its for you.

indeed. from my admittedly not massive track experience ( 5 trackdays and a ringtrip) and chatting to others i have come to the conclusion that theres no real point to building a full on, expensive track car. At the end of the day, you wont be spotted by redbull racing talent spotters, noones timing you, and as long as your going quick enough to have fun then its all good. A standard vr stripped will be fine for this. When you start to master it and want a bit more speed, then start looking at upgrades, or just buy a scooby and start the learning curve all over again.

Some one mention a scooby?
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Post by: mmaattyyg on 05 January 2011, 22:53: Quote from: Peej1981 on 05 January 2011, 22:03
Thats not a bad price i thought it might have been more, mmmm wouldnt mind having a go myself, just for fun though dont want to strip my car out for it. :grin:

gets a bit more expensive as the wether gets better !
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Post by: lemski on 06 January 2011, 07:19: Kai come to cadwell with me in summer.