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General => General discussion => Topic started by: T_J_G on 28 December 2010, 21:08
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For my Canon EOS 1000d. Used for shooting pretty much anything, getting fed up of not being able to angle the flash to bounce it off surfaces.
I've done a bit of research and come up with:
-Nissin Di662
-Metz AF-4
-Yongnuo YN468
Or are there any advantages to buying a Canon flash gun even though they seem very expensive compared to the rest.
Any suggestions/advice as it's all baffling me :undecided:
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I've got a couple of Yongnuo 460-IIs that I use as off camera flashes. I have tried them as on camera flashes but TBH wouldn't recommend it. They provide plenty of light but you have to set the power manually whch you really don't want to be doing with an on camera flash unit.
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Nissin Di622Mk2
I've got two of the Mk1s and they are cracking units for the money, the reason you want the Mk2 is because the Mk1 would only sync with the pre-flash so you'll have to be using i-TTL or whatever canon call their rubbish, this meant you couldn't sync with manual flash, there was also issue with the flash going into standby when on non-slave mode, the shoe contacts being disabled in slave mode. I modded mine to get round these problems, and about 6 months later the Mk2 was announced.
Really you want a proper canon one, as you'll get genuine canon TTL metering, better AF assist, Auto FP etc, but you will be paying alot more for a canon unit.
Or are there any advantages to buying a Canon flash gun even though they seem very expensive compared to the rest.
the above really, a canon unit will produce better results that an after market, the same what the genuine glass does. I found the i-TTL on the nissin would be slightly over powered, compared to the Nikon flash; if you're using these for off camera then the light will be the same (daytime balanced) and the only difference will be the level of control (power settings) and the guide number (how bright a light it can produce).
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thanks for the help Alex!
I think I'll look into the Nissin or the Canon flash guns.Seems the next logical thing to buy in my set up.
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I had a few minutes last night so decided to do a quite test (no pics) between my SB-900 and the Nissin Di622 to compare the difference in i-TTL; camera set to manual blah blah blah, basically the Nikon flash exposed the scene correctly and the Nissin was underexposed, dialled in +0.7 on the flash compensation and they were about the same.
Really it just reiterated what I'd assumed, that the own brand / 'genuine' flash will have better metering.
Also check the spec on the 430ex II, you'll probably find it's got features like illimination pattern, fill in flash, greater zoom range, manual zoom.
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ive got the 430exii and if you look around you can get some bargins think i found mine on ebay for £150 would of loved the next one up but wa like £300
but it comes down to that old saying of 'you get what you pay for' but with my 430exii its been great on camera and with a set of cheap ebay trigges was great off camera as well
Must admitt i dont use it that much now due to my Lencarta lights but its always worth having a decent flash gun in your bag its saved me a few times when the batt on the reciever for my Lencarta lights failed
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Think the 430 is out of my price range, may go for the cheaper canon one as it'll probably still do more than I need...
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Think the 430 is out of my price range, may go for the cheaper canon one as it'll probably still do more than I need...
I wouldn't bother with the 270 as you only get bounce in landscape orientation, even then it's only forward; if I'm using a single on camera flash then bouncing off a wall can create a nice Rembrandt lighting effect.
you can get the 430 for £150 here :afro:
http://www.wilkinson.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=18126
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Flash research is really doing my head in! Possibly in a position to buy and my head is leading me to the Nissin Di622 mkII that can be had for 120ish.
So will this sort me out for off camera wireless work (if i bought triggers) and a decent on camera flash. Fed up of researching it now!
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This one looks well wicked
http://www.edenglow.co.uk/product/76/flashing_gun
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If you want to dip your toe into flash but not spend big money I would recommend this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yongnuo-YN-468-E-TTL-TTL-Flash-Speedlite-Canon-New-/190497340501?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraFlashUnits_JN&hash=item2c5a86bc55
I've go the manual one and love it!
Nick
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I knew someone would say that, I've been researching that one but am I better getting the Nissin then get yongnuos for multiple flashes etc?
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What difference does it make for multiples?
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I've no idea, but surely the TTL system should be better on the Nissin? As you can see I'm very confused. I guess my point was is it worth having one good quality gun for general use then things like the Yongnuos for off camera work?
Or I could go for the Yongnuo and get the triggers that you bought for less than the Nissin. AARRGGHH!
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Ah right I see your point. I've got a Sigma DG EF-500 Super as my main flash but that was £200!
nick
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So do you reckon it's worth plumping for the Nissin then investing in off camera gear next month or later on?
Does the Sigma offer you more than the Sigma? Apart from being non-manual which the new YN 468 is?
This one looks well wicked
http://www.edenglow.co.uk/product/76/flashing_gun
GROUP BUY
:grin: :grin:
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TBH I'm not sure, my flash knowledge isn't that good. I tend to do it all in manual as I don't get on with them metering themselves.
Nick
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Tempted to buy the Nissin and invest in triggers and off camera flashes at a later stage. That way I've got one 'proper' flash...
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for TTL you really want a canon, but the Nissin will give you as good results; might need some RAW tweaking but not the end of the world.
My advice would be go to jessops / camera world / any camera store try both the canon and nissin units, compare the results at home and then choose.
What difference does it make for multiples?
consistency, if you're using the same flash units then it's easier to balance the them e.g. 1/2 power on a Nissan wont be the same as 1/2 power on a sigma.
Ideally you'd want them all the same that way you've got a backup for on camera if your main one fail, but hey on here we're not made of money.
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That's the problem, the nissin seems to be the best compromise for price/permformace the Canon 430 at £180~ is out of my price range. Don't really want to spend more than £120~ which is what the Nissin can be had for.
Where is our nearest proper camera shop Ridg (not including Jessops)?
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consistency, if you're using the same flash units then it's easier to balance the them e.g. 1/2 power on a Nissan wont be the same as 1/2 power on a sigma.
Ideally you'd want them all the same that way you've got a backup for on camera if your main one fail, but hey on here we're not made of money.
Ah yes true, colour temperatures differ as well.
Nick
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Where is our nearest proper camera shop Ridg (not including Jessops)?
I normally just head into town when I'm up for the football, so camera world near oxford street or Tottenham Court Road also take a look at yell (http://www.yell.com/ucs/UcsSearchAction.do?keywords=camera&location=snodland&scrambleSeed=85445632&searchType=advance&M=&lastKeyword=camera&lastClarifyIndex=&lastClarifyOptions=&lastSearchall=&lastSearchallTax=&lastbandedclarifyResults=&bandedclarifyResults=&ssm=1)
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Flash gun ordered!
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Bit of a dig up. T J G What did you go for in the end? The Nissin Di622? I've been Having a look trying to work out the differences. Its to go on my D3000 they are down at 90quid now.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissin-Di622-Mark-II-Mk2-Speedlite-Flash-Nikon-/160608110593?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraFlashUnits_JN&hash=item2564fd4801 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissin-Di622-Mark-II-Mk2-Speedlite-Flash-Nikon-/160608110593?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraFlashUnits_JN&hash=item2564fd4801)
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Yeah went for the Di622 mkII and It does what I want. If I was in the Market for another Nissin I wouldn't order from HK as it may not be genuine, and hat happens if it develops a fault?
Also just bought a Yongnuo YN460 for another off camera flash
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Yeah it was the mkII I Ment brill ill probs do the same then :smiley:
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I got mine for £130 ish IIRC buy an AA battery charger if you haven't already!
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I'm looking at flashes right now, found a couple of cheap Sigma's on ebay that will do the job.
Mainly it's the EF530 DG ST I'm looking at which is the cheaper version, it's only really lacking the ability to trigger an extra flash compared to the EF530 DG Super, but I can live with that. Both have a Guide Number of 53 but you can find the DG ST for less than £100 on the bay. The Sigmas do iTTL and auto-zoom even on the cheaper DG ST.
The newest model from Sigma is the EF610 DG ST for about £140 (here) (http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-sigma-ef-610-dg-st-flashgun-canon-fit/p1522614) or DG Super around £230 (http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-sigma-ef-610-dg-super-flashgun-canon-fit/p1522619). But that's still cheaper than a Canon 580EX II.