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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: bally on 20 December 2010, 17:02
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or any coversion of any kind to be honest.
the plan in the new year is to get hold of a solid mk2 and drop a vr6 2.8 lump in :evil: :evil:
The trouble is i have never attempted anything like this before.
its a little out of my comfort zone so any tips would be great.
The main thing i need to know is.....obviously the engine will be changed to the vr6 but is there anything that i MUST change too? eg peddle box???
Ihave done some research reading through various threads on her but I could really do with a list comprision of everything i will need before starting, so if there are any volunteers to put that together that would be amazin
really excited about getting this going now. :laugh: :laugh:
cheers guys and girls
carl
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why you choose vr6.. i have a vr6 and 2.0l 16v lump sitting infront of me and the 16v so much lighter and better ??
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why you choose vr6.. i have a vr6 and 2.0l 16v lump sitting infront of me and the 16v so much lighter and better ??
I was under the impression the vr6 would be the better of the two. I really have no problem putting a 2.0 16v into it but didnt think this would be a quick as the vr6?? I want this car to be lightening quick...
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My mate did the 2ltre conversion. What he said he wished he did was have a full mk3 toget everything off. Eg brakes, pedal box looms. If you have it all you can swap it all. Also you have to cut where the gear selector goes in to get it to fix. Search for someone who has done the conversion. But I'd advise getting the full car as it will cost less all in.
Cheers liam
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i have a full mk3 16v for my conversion :tongue: :tongue:
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why you choose vr6.. i have a vr6 and 2.0l 16v lump sitting infront of me and the 16v so much lighter and better ??
I was under the impression the vr6 would be the better of the two. I really have no problem putting a 2.0 16v into it but didnt think this would be a quick as the vr6??
I want this car to be lightening quick...
Don't bother fitting the VR then, go for a 1.8t with mods.
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1.8t in the mk2 is what you really want.. but a lot mre work than the 16v iirc ??
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1.8t in the mk2 is what you really want.. but a lot mre work than the 16v iirc ??
God yes. ABF(16v) is plug and play if you use 020 which (i think) bolts up and your car is 90 spec then again so is vr6? , 02a is a bit of work but alot stronger
1.8t is alot of electrical work
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020 02a ?? sorry wats the diff ??
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1.8t in the mk2 is what you really want.. but a lot mre work than the 16v iirc ??
Yes but worth it.
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020 02a ?? sorry wats the diff ??
Gearboxes - one is cable-cange, t'other is the more common and rubbish rod-change.
If you're looking for 'lightning fast' then do you want a big heap of BHP or are you OK to lose a lot of weight?
A cat can be skinned in more than one way. :grin:
VR6 or ABF will be easier than a 1.8T
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1.8T will be front heavy like the vr6 in a mk2.
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is the 1.8t that heavy then mate ??
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to be honest im way confused now.
if i want lightening quick what is the best way to go? say 300bhp?
i will be stripping the car right down so weight wont be an issue.
and what sort of money will i be looking at to do this if I already have a solid mk2 (i dont as yet but will have!)
cheers
carl
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1.8t but then its more work. So really depends how much work your willing to do and also how big the budget is.
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1.8t but then its more work. So really depends how much work your willing to do and also how big the budget is.
cheers for the reply,
im looking at spending around 1000 on the mk2, then prob around 3-4k on the conversion and all parts. hopefully i will be able to do it all myself so that should keep costs down.
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Choose which ever but get a full car so you've got everything you need. Also research what fuelpump and that you need. I should say a 2litre mk3 16valve on bike carbs, and engine concentrated on and that'll be enough. Lsd for good measures though. Turbo is just another thing to go wrong.
Liam
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Choose which ever but get a full car so you've got everything you need. Also research what fuelpump and that you need. I should say a 2litre mk3 16valve on bike carbs, and engine concentrated on and that'll be enough. Lsd for good measures though. Turbo is just another thing to go wrong.
Liam
sounds good, and do you think i could do that on my budget?
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I managed to do a 1.8 16valve on 400 including buying the other car. Its possible if you look about for a cheap donner
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what bhp will a 2l 16v run if on bike carbs ??
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Don't know. There 149 factory say bout 170. My mates just don't it. But he's not had it on the road so doesn't know how it runs yet. Cams, exhaust, manifold, blanced cranke. P+P head all accounts to bhp aswell. I know for the 1.8 u can get a 2.1 stroker kit which apparently takes it to 170bhp. So research is the key for massive break
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sounds good, and do you think i could do that on my budget?
On your budget, doing quite a lot yourself you should be able to buy the G3 16V donor, strip and sell the surplus rubbish, get the head ported and flowed at JNL Racing in Markyate, buy a set of throttlebodies, get a stub manifold made up and get it running on proper EFI with none of this 'carbs' bollox - that's a fool's errand.
You may also be able to stretch to an LSD in an 02A box.
JNL can advise on management, or you can go MS, or Emerald and get Dave Walker to map it.
If you are still insisting on boat-anchoring your Golf then for information on VR6 conversions, look out GVK Motorsport - runs probably one of the most well-developed VR6 G2s in the UK.
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was kind of hoping for more power than 170bhp :laugh:
so if i got somewhere to build me a 250-300bhp what would it cost do you think?
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my AUM on stage 1 map is pushing 221bhp and 235 ft/lb's of torque :wink: :wink: so with a 1.8t exhaust.. air filter.. nice intercooler you would be pushing around 240-250ish..
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you see i used to have a impreza pushing 320bhp and was very light so want something to match this :evil:
any advice on specialist bepoke builders?
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A light scooby ?? :grin: :grin:
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A light scooby ?? :grin: :grin:
ok ok the lightest of the heavy scoobs lol
was a stripped out classic so was as light as it would ever be lol :smiley:
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still would need a lot less bhp in a mk2 to be the same speed as the scoob :wink:
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A stripped Golf 2 is less than 900kgs - 200bhp+ in a Golf2 will be f@cking amazing.
How much did the stripped scoob weigh?
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roughly?
so who builds power engines for dubs then? any sites i can browse?
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A stripped Golf 2 is less than 900kgs - 200bhp+ in a Golf2 will be f@cking amazing.
How much did the stripped scoob weigh?
i couldnt tell you tbh matey...was light but yeah not as light as a little stripped mk2
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TSR do dub stuff
http://www.tsr-performance.com/pages/index.asp
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F*ck TSR - talk to JP at JNL Racing - he builds a lot more interesting things:
http://www.jnlracing.com/
If you want something to compare with your Subaru, find a Golf Syncro, strip it and fit a turbo 16V 2.0 and Rallye drivetrain, or find a VR6 Syncro Golf3 in Germany, ship it back here and then put most of what's underneath under a Golf2 Syncro shell (higher tunnel, so much stiffer). When you realise you want more power, strap some sort of a huffer on the back and away you go.
Why in the hell would you want a FWD Golf2 with a boat anchor in the front after having an Impreza? It's like pulling a U-turn as you're running away from high servicing costs and fuel bills! The 2.0 16V should be significantly more frugal and quick enough, for some fun.
My G2 Syncro 2.0 16V weighs in at about 1060kg and will run consistant 9minute laps of the 'ring with a tool like me at the wheel - that's on a completely stock 2.0 16V ABF code motor, which got shoved in there when the old 8V went pop.
Why not look around for a built track car? You'll spend a lot less than building one yourself and with the sort of budget you're talking about you can be pretty picky.
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how much do half decent synchros go for ??
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For a quick road car, a mk2 vr6 doesnt actually handle that badly. Unless you're intent on using it on the track, i wouldn't necessarily rule it out. Horses for courses :smiley:
Unfortunately comments ref adorning the front with an anchor are somewhat OTT. In a road application it doesnt make any noticable difference. And if you're intent on driving it to the limit on the public highway (upon which you will feel the difference) then you deserve to end up in a ditch.
[/rose-tinted glasses]
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1.8T will be front heavy like the vr6 in a mk2.
I believe a VR is heavier.
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There are a few Mk2 ABF, 20vT and VR6 Turbo/Supercharged for sale at the minute WELL within your budget, I would at least consider buying one that has already been converted and using the left over cash to tie up any loose ends/add your own personal touch.
Regarding your question on engine builders, TSR are very well known and do a variety of installs for different applications. I have heard good things about http://www.stormdevelopments.co.uk/ aswell.
My Mk2 has had a TSR lump in it for years with no major troubles
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1.8T will be front heavy like the vr6 in a mk2.
I believe a VR is heavier.
A VR is heavier but there isn't much in it.
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Feck the TSR engine. I don't rate there engines and you may as well go to a professional and helpfull engine builder such as JNL.
If your spending money on haveing a proper engine built it really inportant to be abel to ring the guy up who is going to be building it and discuss what you actualy want it to do.
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r32. Job done.
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how much do half decent Syncros go for ??
Difficult to say.
Buy off-scene and less than a GTI.
Buy on-scene and it seems you're now up for a proper skewering due to the genuine rareness of them.
It is, naturally the wrong season to be buying a Syncro - you need to buy when it's dry and sunny and hot. :grin:
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I'm after a Syncro
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I'm after a Syncro
arent proper syncros RHD 5 door, or LHD 3 door?
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arent proper syncros RHD 5 door, or LHD 3 door?
LHD 3 & 5 door.
RHD 5 door only.
Not difficult to convert LHD to RHD
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Elvi - here is your car:
Link (http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=332140)
Been sold a number of times since it was converted.
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That syncro's been on fleebay twice too. Was up for £5500 and think for that price its worth doing it yourself. Syncro's are the way to go but pricey, mine was over a grand !!! and listen to the diamond !!!
I bought a UK vr (£450) to strip and swap, now I've got to get a syncro vr box for Germany £250-£350 plus postage and then a rear diff also from Germany £150-£200 plus postage the list goes on !!!
If you do want a mk2 vr6 syncro monster(350bhp+), buy a mk3 vr6 syncro from Germany put a turbo on it and keep the rest of your money for tyres, fuel and insurance !!! (and a massive roll cage :grin:)