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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: redgolf on 28 November 2010, 17:23
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guess what my new mk2 i got on thursday had no antifreeze in it
went to start it this morning and every pipe was solid and the heater pipe that go through the bulk head split inside the car JOY
now my whole car looks as if its FUC*ED
I HATE THE FRECKIN WINTER AND SECOND HAND CARS OWNED BY IDIOTS
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Oh dear- hope the block is ok! is it advisable to disconnect the hoses and pour boiling water on the engine to melt the water out? Although I suppose the damage is done... Did it start?
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It should be ok shouldn't it, if the hoses split then thats good as its expanded.
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It should be ok shouldn't it, if the hoses split then thats good as its expanded.
erm, no.
hoses have flex in them,
if they have flexed enough to split, then theres a good chance of engine or ancilliary damage :smiley:
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You really don't have that much luck with MK2s! :sad:
Hate to hear that though. It's such an annoying thing to happen!
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Have any of the core plugs popped out?
Might be of some help:
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205496
(sorry it's not a link on this forum)
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I really wanted to post a thread about antifreeze the other day just to warn about freezing blocks that crack the water channels to the head gasket :rolleyes:
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search function jay - theres a few on here from earlier this year :grin:
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search function jay - theres a few on here from earlier this year :grin:
Yeah which is why I didn't bother, but knew it dropped 5 degrees in the past few days mate hence after thought?
Plus my new Alu rad was being fitted a few days ago before the ice age came in at curently -5C on the old hill where I live. :cry:
My daily froze this morning could not open the passenger door for love or money, until about half an hours drive.
It might be worth to get some Lithium grease and do all door locks and hinges when you are there! It helps a great deal!
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infact it was a mk2 that it happened too. :laugh:
i do know of a polo that is currently defrosting in my work bay ready for a LOT of praying in the morning :lipsrsealed:
same reason :rolleyes:
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infact it was a mk2 that it happened too. :laugh:
i do know of a polo that is currently defrosting in my work bay ready for a LOT of praying in the morning :lipsrsealed:
same reason :rolleyes:
We see this every year mate basics go right out of the window :lipsrsealed:
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still, keeps people employed :afro:
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True True!
But for the sake of £6.00?
Somepeople do 50% mix I proberly do 70% more antifreeze.
Ok how about when there is red stuff in there and then they stick blue :rolleyes:
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well my dad manage to get of the the top rad hose and we just stood there slowly pouring in warm water and i tell you something it worked but took forever also warm water in the expansion tank and eventually we did it but noticed the heater pipe going through the bulk head had broken not the actual hose but the pipe that it goes onto (oh dear) so i basically by-passed the heater so its completely disconnect (bad times) but it has worked and so far fingers crossed everything is fine.
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I've frozen a couple of MKII's and a mini due to forgetting to check the anti freeze in the autumn and being caught out by a cold snap. Never had a dead engine but had to replace a couple of perished pipes that split.
Nick
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I did say should :wink: Id see it a good sign that the hoses have split and not the engine
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not wanting to sound too harsh but you have had over two days to check this and put some in.
it's not like the weather hit us totally unexpected!!
glad you got it sorted anyway.
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unfortunately i dont always get the time to check these things
but Owell a lesson has now been learnt
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Lucky :cool:
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useing to much antifreeze is a bad idea, neat antifreeze freezes quite easy -6 c iirc
if the coly you had is anythign liek the cold we have your engine is knackerd. prob find when it thaws the radiator is poped, the heater matrix, waterpump housing and the block will have poped core plugs if not cracked.
i've had 7 cars turn up today with sever frost damage as in engine will be comeign out to put it right type damage. and 3 plant/tractor. the funny bit is 5 of them are from the same family :laugh:
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Becasue of this thread I have just checked the pipes on the Jetta GTI I picked up yesterday.
Feels like the pipes are full of slush puppy :( Bugger.
Can't do anything now as the last of the anti-freze went in the other Jetta on Friday. Going to have to keep my fingers crossed that nothing happens.
Is there anything that can be done to help?
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all i can suggest is wrap up the engine with blankets or if you have a garage leave a heater in there with it to take the chill out the air
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not wanting to sound too harsh but you have had over two days to check this and put some in.
it's not like the weather hit us totally unexpected!!
Everyone makes mistakes...Hopefully a lesson has been learned though
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Having neat antifreeze will kill your water pump, It will freeze at like something stupid, but youll end up over heating your engine by it not dispersing the heat efficiently as itll be too thick, If youve got a fractometer £20 from ebay, youd want it to have protection of around -15 to be safe, or colder if its beenm known to get colder than that!
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Went out and stuck a load of old towels and blankets over the pipes.
Bolting the door after, and so on as there is a load of frozen water coming out of the bottom hose/radiator. Can't tell without removing the pipe. Bugger it!
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Happened to me last year! http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=98959.0
New metal water pipe, radiator, heater matrix and a blown core plug!
From there on out, 50/50 mix on coolant to protect to -35 degs! I had mine tested in the 'other car' and its good for -15, but I'm flushing that and mixing it down to -30 as well.
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i hope everything is ok this morning minidan
luckily mine is fine i drove it last night and this morning and everything feels fine apart from not having a heater, but i had my trusty fishing cooker so that warmed up the inside nicely while i de iced the windows :laugh:
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A popped core plug is not fun to replace.
Mine had corrosion and started to leak in the summer and ive always used anit freeze.
Water pipes and heating on mk2's are a headache. Always something wrong
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ive noticed a small leak coming from the back of the engine it looks like it's inline with the manifold have you got any idea what it could be
i.e a gasket or split pipe something like that
cheers
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Well bad news on the m40 my car broke down
It lost all it's water and obviously overheated and now it doesn't hold any water
Sorry guys but I think my mk2 days are over
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well my car been of the road for 2 weeks now due to a throttle body breakage, wounder if mine had any antifreeze in carnt remember if i topped it up when bought it, damm now wondering if its even gonna start when i fix it tomorrow!
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Well bad news on the m40 my car broke down
It lost all it's water and obviously overheated and now it doesn't hold any water
Sorry guys but I think my mk2 days are over
does sound like a popped core plug if its coming from the back.
if its the middle core plug then you can change it with the engine still in place. just a driveshaft off job for clearance.
Hope the engine is ok! Like I said...Mine overheated but was quite lucky
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If the pipes are ever frozen, you really have to remove and check everything!
Its no good just thawing it out, you have to check the impeller and bearings on the water pump, that no core plugs have risen/popped and then pressure test the system - before even thinking of starting it.
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Well bad news on the m40 my car broke down
It lost all it's water and obviously overheated and now it doesn't hold any water
Sorry guys but I think my mk2 days are over
Bugger :( Sorry to hear that matey. Why you finishing with Mk2? Shouldn't be much to sort, or worst case, replace engine?
Not want you want to hear I suppose, but mine looks like it is alright now. Thawed it all out, drained it today and refilled with anti-freeze. No leaks or damage.
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I had the core Plugs checked and there ok but it looks like it's split some gaskets and pipes so its off to the garage Saturday and to be honest once it's fixed I'm going to sell it because I use a car everyday and so far I've had 2 mk2's in 2 weeks and missed 4 1/2 days from work so it's not Only costing me money to fix but it losing me money because I can't work
So sadly I'm saying goodbye to best car I've ever driven
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thats a real shame man i only got my mk2 on wednesday and its been sweet.. few niggles dont get me wrong but when running nice they are really nice..
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Oh yeah I know when it's good it's bloody great but unfortunately when it's bad it's a c**t and boody expensive if I'm losing a few days wage
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Sad to see someone swayed off MK2s :sad:
Shame you've had such a bad experience with them. They can be expensive little tricksters though, and expensive to boot.
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Checked me pipes today- well happy that at the end of the summer i went for uber winter antifreeze rather than summer coolant :cool:
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You should have VAG G12 in there anyway, shouldn't you :rolleyes: 50/50 and change every 4 years.
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You should have VAG G12 in there anyway, shouldn't you :rolleyes: 50/50 and change every 4 years.
Why should I have this exact stuff in it? Does it make much of a difference. I always thought anti freeze/coolant was as simple as it gets. Stops water corroding the paths on the block and stops it freezing/boiling off? :embarassed:
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Better longevity, designed to work with the car, scene points etc.
Its only about £8 for 1.5l - which will mix down to about 4l (-30 degs), well worth it for genuine VAG coolant.
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there is scene coolant lol
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Better longevity, designed to work with the car, scene points etc.
Its only about £8 for 1.5l - which will mix down to about 4l (-30 degs), well worth it for genuine VAG coolant.
Is there anywhere scene i should get the water to mix with it? Can I import it from Wolfsburg?
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wolfsburg evian FTW !!
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Better longevity, designed to work with the car, scene points etc.
Its only about £8 for 1.5l - which will mix down to about 4l (-30 degs), well worth it for genuine VAG coolant.
Is there anywhere scene i should get the water to mix with it? Can I import it from Wolfsburg?
Probably :D
But on serious note, use G12 - not cheap tat, another bonus is that it acts as a repellent for "oh SH*T no anti freeze" threads.
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my mk4 has g12++ is this the same ??
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my mk4 has g12++ is this the same ??
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=1856836
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Better longevity, designed to work with the car, scene points etc.
Its only about £8 for 1.5l - which will mix down to about 4l (-30 degs), well worth it for genuine VAG coolant.
Is there anywhere scene i should get the water to mix with it? Can I import it from Wolfsburg?
Probably :D
But on serious note, use G12 - not cheap tat, another bonus is that it acts as a repellent for "oh SH*T no anti freeze" threads.
Note taken Mr Ben, but I'm not changing it in the madness that is the white carpet of freezing death
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Anti freeze is Anti freeze the more important part is the water should be distilled water so you don't have minerals impurities growing in your rad :wink:
Trick is to get 50/50 in a coke plastic bottle and shake it well so it mixes better, which is better than pouring neat Anti-freeze then water or vice versa!
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my mk4 has g12++ is this the same ??
Well from what i remember...
G12 is made by Valvoline (Zerex), although Pentosin makes a similar, and I believe compatible, coolant.
G12 is Valvoline/Zerex Glysantin G 30, the datasheet for which may be found at http://www.valvoline-technology.com/
It was developed in conjunction with BASF, and more info on G12 is to be found at http://www.basf.de/en/produkte/chemi...specification/
The VAG specification for G12 antifreeze is TL 774-D.
In January, 2003, VW/Audi introduced G12+ (part number G 012 A8F A4), an antifreeze with purple coloration. It can be freely mixed with the original pink G12 (part number ZVW 237 G12). The VAG specification for G12+ is TL 774-F. From the information at the above BASF site, Glysantin G 30 meets both specifications. I believe that the only significant difference between the two is the color - changed to help prevent people from thinking that GM Dexcool compatible (typically orange) coolant could be used to top-up the original G12 (pink), which is not the case.
The older, blue-green, VW G11 coolant has VAG specification TL 774-C, and is Glysantin G 48.
:grin:
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lol all that off the top of your head lol :laugh:
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But on serious note, use G12 - not cheap tat, another bonus is that it acts as a repellent for "oh SH*T no anti freeze" threads.
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just to clarify this wasnt my fault, i brought a car and was told it was ready for the winter all fluids top up etc
and im not going to drain everything just to check, its just a shame you cant trust people selling second hand cars nowadays
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your right you cant trust anyone !!
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just to clarify this wasnt my fault, i brought a car and was told it was ready for the winter all fluids top up etc
and im not going to drain everything just to check, its just a shame you cant trust people selling second hand cars nowadays
Its crap luck I know! But you don't need to drain to check, just buy something like this - they cost buttons and save hundreds!
Go and buy one of these, £6 and well worth it!
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my ones 25 years old and still works a treat only cost about a tenner
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well i dont have to worry now because i just got a new car so i know no one has messed with it, but i still have the mk2 so ill probably get it fixed and sell it unless someone fancies taking it on
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well i dont have to worry now because i just got a new car so i know no one has messed with it, but i still have the mk2 so ill probably get it fixed and sell it unless someone fancies taking it on
You have seen the problems with 'non tinkered' brand new cars in the mk6 section yes?
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i never said it was vw
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i never said it was vw
Nor did I, merely stated as brand new cars
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i never said it was vw
Nor did I, merely stated as brand new cars
Pfft. all cars are trouble, regardless of age! I had the fun of a giant airlock on the Mini this morning, it was like a snorting bull with the steam venting out the front corners of the rad!
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Haven't had my car long and I don't know what state the coolant is in. I haven't got time to drain coolant now, are those testers accurate?
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Paul can you feel the pipes are they solid?
If not you are going to be ok proberly!
If they are solid I would not attempted to start it untill it thaws out by itself. Sometimes people will try and thaw it out with hot water and the like but can cause more issues due to contraction and expansion of ice and water!
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Haven't had my car long and I don't know what state the coolant is in. I haven't got time to drain coolant now, are those testers accurate?
Yup. The MachineMart one is the better product though.
Ps. If the pipes are solid, you really should pressure test the system, check for risen core plugs and check the condition of the waterpump bearings/impeller before even thinking of starting.
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my car was just running on water last yr, no anti freeze at all in the system. the bloke who did the headgasket was suprised i got thru winter without buggering the engine
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MINE HAS FROZEN UP!!??? WHAT THE f**k!?
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So what do i do? Pour warm water into my expansion tank or what!? Im sh!tting myself right now
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So what do i do? Pour warm water into my expansion tank or what!? Im sh!tting myself right now
... You really should pressure test the system, check for risen core plugs and check the condition of the waterpump bearings/impeller before even thinking of starting.
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Right, just been out to check as well as i can, and the bottom feed into the water pump is squishy and the top one isnt quite solid (you can crush it easily)
So im thinking warm stuff? As there isnt 'solid' ice anywhere???
P.S Where are the core pugs? on the back or front of the block?
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Right, just been out to check as well as i can, and the bottom feed into the water pump is squishy and the top one isnt quite solid (you can crush it easily)
So im thinking warm stuff? As there isnt 'solid' ice anywhere???
No. The problem isn't melting the ice, its the damage it has done!
... You really should pressure test the system, check for risen core plugs and check the condition of the waterpump bearings/impeller before even thinking of starting.
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Right, just been out to check as well as i can, and the bottom feed into the water pump is squishy and the top one isnt quite solid (you can crush it easily)
So im thinking warm stuff? As there isnt 'solid' ice anywhere???
No. The problem isn't melting the ice, its the damage it has done!
... You really should pressure test the system, check for risen core plugs and check the condition of the waterpump bearings/impeller before even thinking of starting.
Right, got my head screwed on again now so lets start again.
Been out just now and took off the bottom pipe which let out lots of slush, so i can assume for now that the waterpump is drained. I also undid the top pipe to reveal a rad full of ice.
Where abouts are the core plugs on a 16v engine, had a look about with my phone but couldnt really see propperly but nothing seemed to be pushed out of place. I can only assume this means one of two things...
a: the block froze and didnt push the plugs out (or what i think are the plugs)
b: the block isnt fully frozen
:embarassed:
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Haven't read the whole thread but a couple of tips.
Once thawed or whatever, you aren't protecting anything by topping up the expansion tank with antifreeze. :rolleyes:
You need a FULL mix of 50/50 antifreeze & water and NEED to run it until the thermostat has opened.
If you just bung loads in and don't run it up to temp you're not doing a great deal.
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Right, just been out to check as well as i can, and the bottom feed into the water pump is squishy and the top one isnt quite solid (you can crush it easily)
So im thinking warm stuff? As there isnt 'solid' ice anywhere???
No. The problem isn't melting the ice, its the damage it has done!
... You really should pressure test the system, check for risen core plugs and check the condition of the waterpump bearings/impeller before even thinking of starting.
Right, got my head screwed on again now so lets start again.
Been out just now and took off the bottom pipe which let out lots of slush, so i can assume for now that the waterpump is drained. I also undid the top pipe to reveal a rad full of ice.
Where abouts are the core plugs on a 16v engine, had a look about with my phone but couldnt really see propperly but nothing seemed to be pushed out of place. I can only assume this means one of two things...
a: the block froze and didnt push the plugs out (or what i think are the plugs)
b: the block isnt fully frozen
:embarassed:
Core plugs are at the back of the block - you can't see them, but you can feel them.
You should take the water pump off, and make sure the ice didn't damage the impeller or bearing
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Roger that! Over and out. Job for tommorow. Is the water pump just on the fan belt or is it on the timing chain?
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Roger that! Over and out. Job for tommorow. Is the water pump just on the fan belt or is it on the timing chain?
I would have thought aux belt (fan belt), but I've never dismantled a 16v.
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Roger that! Over and out. Job for tommorow. Is the water pump just on the fan belt or is it on the timing chain?
I would have thought aux belt (fan belt), but I've never dismantled a 16v.
indeed, no timing chain involved.
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same as 8 valve, but if you havent run it and it wasent frozen when you parked it it'll be fine.
if there is slush in there you probaly fine tbh, when its slush water / ice mix can move so no hydralic pressure the moment it starts solidifying as the waterways freeze from the outside in the ice round the outside keeps the water in the midel of waterways from escapeing as it freezes and builds up pressure.
heater matrix and radiator are normaly victims of ice tho
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same as 8 valve, but if you havent run it and it wasent frozen when you parked it it'll be fine.
if there is slush in there you probaly fine tbh, when its slush water / ice mix can move so no hydralic pressure the moment it starts solidifying as the waterways freeze from the outside in the ice round the outside keeps the water in the midel of waterways from escapeing as it freezes and builds up pressure.
heater matrix and radiator are normaly victims of ice tho
Yer i was thinking about the matrix this morning, gonna bring the rad inside to thaw and pop to a garage to see if they can pressure test it and look at trying to get to the waterpump (not exactly alot of space in my car cos of all the pipework). Although I do have confidence that the waterpump never actually froze. Will check my core plugs too.
After i have done all this is it recomended that i start my engine to let it all thaw, obv keeping an eye on it all?
P.S found a good way to de-frost my rad, central heating on, rad on top of outlet, me sat inside warm
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If the rad froze, its probably doomed! Last year mine blew about 4 holes!
Here's to hoping everything else is ok!
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you really should of used VAG G12 to be honest lol im guessing your uber winter anti freeze wasnt as good as you thought
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Yer thats what has pissed me off, was fine until yesterday when it suddenly froze up. Anyway got my rad tested at loughborough radiators this morn and there isn't a single leak, he was very very suprised :grin: Went to VW stealers too and got two bottles of g12, pretty steep at £16 for the two but cheaper than a new engine lol. Felt my core plugs too and non of them felt pretruded or flush with the block so i'm happy with them
Now just got to wait for her to thaw :sad:
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£8 a bottle is pretty reasonable, its the going rate for most OEM coolant. GSF also sell the exact same stuff, pricing is similar too.
Make sure you mix it to 50/50.
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£8 a bottle is pretty reasonable, its the going rate for most OEM coolant. GSF also sell the exact same stuff, pricing is similar too.
Make sure you mix it to 50/50.
Dont worry dude, certainly gonna be 50/50, going to buy a two litre bottle of water and empty to get it spot on. Kettle only. This has majorly pooped me up. Gonna try start her tommorow afternoon after lectures :undecided:
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Done and done- SHE LIVES!! :grin:
turns out that the dude who has the factory accross the road from me is a dub head and was out chatting to me for ages. His dad has a W12 phaeton and until two weeks ago he was running around in a 700bhp bimmer
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w00p!
Now go check your tyre pressures and oil level and you've finished your weekly Haynes checks.
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may as well add myself to the list! golf is fine as the thermostat has recently been replaced and fresh antifreeze used.
the wife's seat on the other hand, schoolboy error after schoolboy error. hyaving read this thread i've done it all wrong (chucked a litre of antifreeze in the header and left it! next day frozen. wife started car then used bouling water to try and thaw)
luckily it seems i have got away with it though. it now has fresh 50/50 antifreeze