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Title: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 12:39
right...

mk1 rivage J plate

been off the road 11 months
battery went flat for a short while and has been on conditioner ever since (so battery could be an issue)
reconnected battery... seems to have plenty of juice
get alarm (clifford concept) out of valet mode and into 'normal' mode
oil and water - check
fuel - very minimal (but we're not even getting that far)
ignition comes on when key inserted
go to start engine
there is a feint 'click' and then everything, including all electrics, alarm etc goes dead
this is including when connected to another battery for jump start

thoughts?
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 12:47
Got anyidea where the click is coming from?

Tried hitting the starter with a hammer to see if it's stuck?

Have yo managed to get it to Chuff's or are you needing to fire it up to get on the truck?

nick
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 12:48
You tried putting th eother battery in? It does sound like the battery is properly dead.

nick
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 13:05
Got anyidea where the click is coming from?

Tried hitting the starter with a hammer to see if it's stuck?

Have yo managed to get it to Chuff's or are you needing to fire it up to get on the truck?

nick

wont need to start it to get it onto the truck.. hopefully... we we're just going to try and start it anyway  :lipsrsealed:

wouldn't know what to hit... but i think it could very well be the flattery

recovery driver has broken down (doesn't bode well)
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 13:07
Oh no, it's going to be one of those days isn't it?

Good luck dudes.

Nick
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 10 November 2010, 13:08
The click will be the starter motor solenoid.
Are the points on the motor clean and recieving 12v?
Could also be a seized starter motor like Nick said.
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 13:14
Oh no, it's going to be one of those days isn't it?

Good luck dudes.

Nick

very much so... seeing as i lost the front bumper of the caddy to a bollard  :sad:
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 13:15
The click will be the starter motor solenoid.
Are the points on the motor clean and recieving 12v?
Could also be a seized starter motor like Nick said.

thank you.. will check it out later  :smiley:
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 10 November 2010, 13:19
No probs.
Did you check the engine turns over freely by hand before starting it?
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 13:19
Oh no, it's going to be one of those days isn't it?

Good luck dudes.

Nick

very much so... seeing as i lost the front bumper of the caddy to a bollard  :sad:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 13:23
No probs.
Did you check the engine turns over freely by hand before starting it?

urrrmmm....  :lipsrsealed:

(that'll be a no then)
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 13:24
Oh no, it's going to be one of those days isn't it?

Good luck dudes.

Nick

very much so... seeing as i lost the front bumper of the caddy to a bollard  :sad:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fraid so... gonna have to claim on insurance me thinks (but thats for another thread)  :sad:
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 13:25
I don't think it'll be seized. I'm pretty sure the battery is so stuffed that even trying to jump it won't work. I've had this before.

Dro the battery from the III in it and I reclon it'll fire up after a few coughs and splutters. It might be worth truning it over on the battery for a min or two with king lead off just to build up some oil pressure befor eletting it run properly.

nick
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 13:26
Oh no, it's going to be one of those days isn't it?

Good luck dudes.

Nick

very much so... seeing as i lost the front bumper of the caddy to a bollard  :sad:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fraid so... gonna have to claim on insurance me thinks (but thats for another thread)  :sad:

Might as well get the dent done at the same time. Total bummer though dude.

Nick
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 10 November 2010, 13:31
I don't think it'll be seized. I'm pretty sure the battery is so stuffed that even trying to jump it won't work. I've had this before.

Dro the battery from the III in it and I reclon it'll fire up after a few coughs and splutters. It might be worth truning it over on the battery for a min or two with king lead off just to build up some oil pressure befor eletting it run properly.

nick

Agree with you there. It's probably not seized if its been dry stored.
Its good practice though to check.
Or you could turn the engine over on the starter with the fuel pump fuse removed.
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 13:48
I don't think it'll be seized. I'm pretty sure the battery is so stuffed that even trying to jump it won't work. I've had this before.

Dro the battery from the III in it and I reclon it'll fire up after a few coughs and splutters. It might be worth truning it over on the battery for a min or two with king lead off just to build up some oil pressure befor eletting it run properly.

nick

Agree with you there. It's probably not seized if its been dry stored.
Its good practice though to check.
Or you could turn the engine over on the starter with the fuel pump fuse removed.

its been stored outside but under a cover

mk3 batter was flat but is now on a conditioner itself!

i think new battery and then follow all your advices
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Horney on 10 November 2010, 13:53
Steal the one out of Chuff's motor!

If you do buy a new one go to an autofactors not halfords (unless Chuff has a trade card) as they're well expensive!

Nick
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 14:08
Steal the one out of Chuff's motor!

If you do buy a new one go to an autofactors not halfords (unless Chuff has a trade card) as they're well expensive!

Nick

GSF? I thought they were quite expensive last time I got a battery off them
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 10 November 2010, 14:25
Get the van battery on it. CCA should be higher, which will give the starter the kick up the arse it needs.
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 14:30
Get the van battery on it. CCA should be higher, which will give the starter the kick up the arse it needs.

oooh! idea!
Title: Re: starting issues after storage
Post by: Guy on 10 November 2010, 14:33
what do we think to this one? 

£45 includes VAT & Del

http://www.carbatteries-online.co.uk/carbattery075.html (http://www.carbatteries-online.co.uk/carbattery075.html)