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Title: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Beardo on 18 August 2010, 20:55
Hi all,

Just a warning about this GTI on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2009-59-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-GTI-Mk-6-3-door-Red-/250684032016?pt=Automobiles_UK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2009-59-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-GTI-Mk-6-3-door-Red-/250684032016?pt=Automobiles_UK)

I bought this GTI from a VW dealer down south, they however forgot to mention that the previous owners was in fact Superchips, it was their press demo car. I only found out it history when I got the log book through a month later!

I went slightly scatty with the dealer who initially tried to dodge the issue but eventually came through and refunded my money. Interestingly they were going down the route along with vw customer services of the warranty still being intact as it passed their multipoint check! One rule for them it seemed to be....

Anyway it's possibly a decent buy at the right price but it's not at that price IMHO.

It is also not anywhere near immaculate, it has had a full black vinyl wrap and whoever took it off did a right bodge job. Down the seams of the bumper it's all scratched where they peeled it away, there's a dint and a crap repair on the drivers door. There's marks around the trims where they levered them off to get the vinyl wrap under the reflectors etc.

The wheels are spotless as it's had a different set on! 

Here is it in action!

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html)
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: mike. on 18 August 2010, 21:30
Funny they didn't mention that in the ad  :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: rjwojcik on 18 August 2010, 22:16
Ouch, an interesting history.  I wonder who the previous owner is on the logbook.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 18 August 2010, 22:45
ebay will take almost £2000 from that advert alone too.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 19 August 2010, 01:07
Cheeky buggers. Good on them.
Poor buggers for buying a ravaged car.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: RickS on 19 August 2010, 08:22
Well spotted Beardo, I suppose if you got that car for £22500 and had to spend say £500 to £1000 to get the bodywork spot on it would still be a decent buy if the engine isn't FCUK'd [But it's still got 2 years warranty so not a problem one assumes]
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: The Danno on 19 August 2010, 08:36
Warranty would be void if superchips fettled with it!!
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: ajmoir36 on 19 August 2010, 09:32
Condition is perfect, hummmm.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Mew on 19 August 2010, 09:43
ebay will take almost £2000 from that advert alone too.

Why?
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 19 August 2010, 09:53
ebay will take almost £2000 from that advert alone too.

Why?

Don't you get a 9% selling fee if your item sells on ebay ?
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Mew on 19 August 2010, 09:56

Don't you get a 9% selling fee if your item sells on ebay ?

Only up to around £35/40. Do you honestly think people would sell cars on there if it were going to cost them £2k? :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Keithuk on 19 August 2010, 12:08
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html)
How can AutoExpress say Top speed: 155mph (est) when VW only quote 147mph. I could estimate mine at the same speed.  :grin:

Well if anyone buys something they can't see of eBay is asking for trouble.  :wink:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: RickS on 19 August 2010, 12:38
Warranty would be void if superchips fettled with it!!
Yes, quite right Danno, that's why I find it hard to understand all the remaps people are getting on their brand new almost £30K cars. Obviously loaded and don't worry about warranties  :laugh:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 19 August 2010, 12:47

Don't you get a 9% selling fee if your item sells on ebay ?

Only up to around £35/40. Do you honestly think people would sell cars on there if it were going to cost them £2k? :lipsrsealed:

I just sold something at £400, got £38 charge.

Maybe the car section has a slightly different %.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: AlanD on 19 August 2010, 12:57
I sent him an email suggesting he mention this information as its very misleading. He replied with:

I have checked with VW and the warranty is fine.

Interesting, so if you remove all your mods your warranty is back on again, which sort of makes sense, but at the same time Im VERY sceptical . .  :undecided:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: danski on 19 August 2010, 13:02
^^

lol, I did exactly the same thing and got the same answer...
I would expect that the dealers would say something different if the engine went ka-boom.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 19 August 2010, 13:12
I sent him an email suggesting he mention this information as its very misleading. He replied with:

I have checked with VW and the warranty is fine.

Interesting, so if you remove all your mods your warranty is back on again, which sort of makes sense, but at the same time Im VERY sceptical . .  :undecided:

It's fine saying just put the original map back on and all is well. If VW want to, they can read the logs and see if the chip has ever been written to. Then your fecked.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: AlanD on 19 August 2010, 13:13
Thats exactly what I thought. They can see the cars been mapped at some point in time which as we all know means no warranty.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 19 August 2010, 13:17
Exactly. The perfect excuse for them not to honour the warranty. Manufacturers are slippery and will wriggle out if the can from paying up.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: R32UK on 19 August 2010, 14:17
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html)
How can AutoExpress say Top speed: 155mph (est) when VW only quote 147mph. I could estimate mine at the same speed.  :grin:

Well if anyone buys something they can't see of eBay is asking for trouble.  :wink:

I am quite sure the GTI is limited to its current top speed. A map removes this limit and will allow it to go a fair bit higher, i think maybe thats what they are getting at.

 :nerd:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: mike. on 19 August 2010, 14:52
They are probably quoting the est. top speed for the remapped car which will be higher than the stock one quoted at 147mph
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Exonian on 19 August 2010, 17:00
Buying the car as a VW Approved used car you won't have any warranty issues.

Also ebay don't charge 10% on cars or they'd never get any advertised on there. They charge a flat fee on non auction sales.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: evo1986 on 19 August 2010, 18:37
Buying the car as a VW Approved used car you won't have any warranty issues.

Also ebay don't charge 10% on cars or they'd never get any advertised on there. They charge a flat fee on non auction sales.

Spot on otherwise I would never of sold mine to who bought it
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 19 August 2010, 19:43
Buying the car as a VW Approved used car you won't have any warranty issues.

Also ebay don't charge 10% on cars or they'd never get any advertised on there. They charge a flat fee on non auction sales.

I just f**kin said I sold something for £400 and got charged £38 for it. It was a buy it now, hence no auction.

I mean ffs, if your gonna say something to correct me, at least know what the f**kin f**k your talking about.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 19 August 2010, 19:44
Buying the car as a VW Approved used car you won't have any warranty issues.

Also ebay don't charge 10% on cars or they'd never get any advertised on there. They charge a flat fee on non auction sales.

Spot on otherwise I would never of sold mine to who bought it

As for you, why the f**k you still here ? GTD desirable boy
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: VWKev on 19 August 2010, 19:50
for the pricks out there....

Final Value Fee
Final Selling Price
 Final Value Fee
 
£0.01 - £1,999.99
 £20.00
 
£2,000.00 - £3,499.99
 1%
 
£3,500.00 and above
 £35.00
 
Classified Ad
 No Final Value Fee applies
 

No fee on classified, £35 + £15 on total auction for cars over £3,500
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: R32UK on 19 August 2010, 19:56
 :laugh: :kiss:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 19 August 2010, 19:59
I really can't understand why someone would buy a car at that price on eBay? Stupidity knows no bounds!
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Exonian on 19 August 2010, 20:16
for the pricks out there....

Final Value Fee
Final Selling Price
 Final Value Fee
 
£0.01 - £1,999.99
 £20.00
 
£2,000.00 - £3,499.99
 1%
 
£3,500.00 and above
 £35.00
 
Classified Ad
 No Final Value Fee applies
 

No fee on classified, £35 + £15 on total auction for cars over £3,500
SO where does your £2k come from fellow prick?
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: evo1986 on 19 August 2010, 21:18
Buying the car as a VW Approved used car you won't have any warranty issues.

Also ebay don't charge 10% on cars or they'd never get any advertised on there. They charge a flat fee on non auction sales.

Spot on otherwise I would never of sold mine to who bought it

As for you, why the f**k you still here ? GTD desirable boy

Who the f**k do you think you are?

You are the biggest a55 hole on here get a life you bitter bell end
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 19 August 2010, 21:22
Never buy a white car and live in Glasgow.
Drive one mad! :grin:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: p3eps on 19 August 2010, 21:31
I sold an iPhone 4 on an eBay auction for £962 and got charged £40 final value fee, 3.5% PayPal fees, plus about £1.50 for my listing costs.  I think £40 is the maximum they charge you for normal items... as its 10% of sale price up to £40.

I sold my second one as £999 Buy It Now, and only got charged a £16 fee, plus my 3.5% PayPal, and my £1.50 listing!

If you're selling something of reasonable value, you're aswell putting a Buy It Now price, and then Best Offers.  People email you and ask what your Best Offer price is and you can negotiate.  You can also 'counter' offer.

I remember selling stuff on eBay for about £400 and getting charged about £10 final value... oh how times have changed  :shocked:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: MAW73 on 19 August 2010, 21:31
I see VWkev's been on the happy pills again....  :wink:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: evo1986 on 19 August 2010, 21:35
I sold an iPhone 4 on an eBay auction for £962 and got charged £40 final value fee, 3.5% PayPal fees, plus about £1.50 for my listing costs.  I think £40 is the maximum they charge you for normal items... as its 10% of sale price up to £40.

I sold my second one as £999 Buy It Now, and only got charged a £16 fee, plus my 3.5% PayPal, and my £1.50 listing!

If you're selling something of reasonable value, you're aswell putting a Buy It Now price, and then Best Offers.  People email you and ask what your Best Offer price is and you can negotiate.  You can also 'counter' offer.

I remember selling stuff on eBay for about £400 and getting charged about £10 final value... oh how times have changed  :shocked:


WHo are these planks buying these Iphone 4's....................

Fair play to ya
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 19 August 2010, 21:37
I see VWkev's been on the happy pills again....  :wink:

I bet he wears a frock in real life! :grin:

A sweet little pussycat. :wink:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: MAW73 on 19 August 2010, 22:00
I see VWkev's been on the happy pills again....  :wink:

I bet he wears a frock in real life! :grin:

A sweet little pussycat. :wink:

LOL You have to laugh...  :grin:

There's no arguing with VWKev when his having one of his hissy fit's...!
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 19 August 2010, 22:09
I see VWkev's been on the happy pills again....  :wink:
I bet he wears a frock in real life! :grin:
A sweet little pussycat. :wink:
LOL You have to laugh...  :grin:
There's no arguing with VWKev when his having one of his hissy fit's...!

How very apt. :grin:
I bet he screams like a soprano and throws things around.
A delightful drama queen.
I am taking lessons from him. I like him. :kiss:
Sweet. :laugh:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Jimble on 20 August 2010, 00:39
I sold an iPhone 4 on an eBay auction for £962 and got charged £40 final value fee, 3.5% PayPal fees, plus about £1.50 for my listing costs.  I think £40 is the maximum they charge you for normal items... as its 10% of sale price up to £40.

I sold my second one as £999 Buy It Now, and only got charged a £16 fee, plus my 3.5% PayPal, and my £1.50 listing!

If you're selling something of reasonable value, you're aswell putting a Buy It Now price, and then Best Offers.  People email you and ask what your Best Offer price is and you can negotiate.  You can also 'counter' offer.

I remember selling stuff on eBay for about £400 and getting charged about £10 final value... oh how times have changed  :shocked:


Ya robbin b*****d!.....................







Well done! :cool:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: R32UK on 20 August 2010, 17:21
Oh i was soo looking forward to Kev's replies on this (sad I know)...


here kevvy kevy kevy hereeeee bwoy!!  :grin:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Steve30 on 20 August 2010, 19:02
Cracker  :laugh:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Exonian on 20 August 2010, 19:22

 f**kin f**kin f**k.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CQ2qS6uG3hA/R6bp1XxmQnI/AAAAAAAABjc/4K6ndHZppkc/s320/pram.jpg)
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 20 August 2010, 19:27
A totally brilliant superb post! :laugh:
Beat that one cooochie, cooochie, koo Kev!
Love to pinch your cheeks. :grin:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Saint Steve on 20 August 2010, 19:38


(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/S_0906_costumes2.jpg)
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Saint Steve on 20 August 2010, 19:41
I mean ffs, if your gonna say something to correct me, at least know what the f**kin f**k your talking about.

Now that made me laugh  :laugh:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 20 August 2010, 20:04
I can't wait to meet him when I go to Glasgow.
He really makes me scream with laughter.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Steve30 on 20 August 2010, 20:21
I mean ffs, if your gonna say something to correct me, at least know what the f**kin f**k your talking about.

Now that made me laugh  :laugh:

Make a good signture that line Kev above  :grin:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: DDRFan on 21 August 2010, 00:21
You know i wonder how people cope without forums like this. For months whilst waiting for my ride i checked the threads regularly. Collectively there is a massive amount of knowledge on here and i'd like to think GTI owners all look out for each other. Just reading this makes me realise the pitfalls of buying these cars, even from a main dealer! cos i work in IT i have a very rudimentary understanding of chips and firmware and other basic electronics jargon. But if say my Dad decided to buy this car, and then something went wrong with the engine and it needed a warranty repair/replacement, if the dealer blamed him for remapping it cos the chip had been electronically tampered with, my Dad's gonna be screwed. My Dad doesn't know about this remap stuff (at least i don't think he does...)

if this really did happen, presumably this could be taken further with VW Customer Services directly, or even Trading Standards?

Personally i wouldn't consider applying a remap, at least not until after the warranty is up, after which point it doesn't matter does it?
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: am1w on 21 August 2010, 10:51
Kev: I miss your posts, you spunky Scotsman. I'll have to think of something to p!ss you off if you don't mind!
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Beardo on 22 August 2010, 08:35
It happened alright!

To be fair to the dealer, well the sales side at least, they said they didn't know where it came from and after consultation with their MD they gave me my money back. I suspect the buyer however got a right reeming as he did know and didn't tell them.

They pushed the car back to their supplier as not fit for a vw dealership and made them take the hit. That's who the seller is I assume.

 
You know i wonder how people cope without forums like this. For months whilst waiting for my ride i checked the threads regularly. Collectively there is a massive amount of knowledge on here and i'd like to think GTI owners all look out for each other. Just reading this makes me realise the pitfalls of buying these cars, even from a main dealer! cos i work in IT i have a very rudimentary understanding of chips and firmware and other basic electronics jargon. But if say my Dad decided to buy this car, and then something went wrong with the engine and it needed a warranty repair/replacement, if the dealer blamed him for remapping it cos the chip had been electronically tampered with, my Dad's gonna be screwed. My Dad doesn't know about this remap stuff (at least i don't think he does...)

if this really did happen, presumably this could be taken further with VW Customer Services directly, or even Trading Standards?

Personally i wouldn't consider applying a remap, at least not until after the warranty is up, after which point it doesn't matter does it?
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Exonian on 22 August 2010, 10:11
They'll just whizz the car up for auction and it'll fetch decent money due to the short supply of newish Golfs. It'll probably appear up for sale in one of the bigger 'sports and prestige' type indie dealers I reckon.
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: R32UK on 22 August 2010, 11:26
They'll just whizz the car up for auction and it'll fetch decent money due to the short supply of newish Golfs. It'll probably appear up for sale in one of the bigger 'sports and prestige' type indie dealers I reckon.

+1.. or they will just move it to another dealers and dump it on some other unsuspecting buyer :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: eBay GTI - Warning!
Post by: Wayne on 23 August 2010, 12:37
Cars are fixed fees to sell on ebay, £25 from memory up to £10k then £35.