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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: KennyGTI on 20 July 2010, 10:21
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Was going to PM Steve, but thought some other people might be interested?
Anyways, hows the Stage 2 software going mate? Any news on a release date yet? :smiley:
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Still lots of work to be done, Revo are in the process of buying a Mk6 I believe which should help speed things up.
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Damm, kinda wish i went with APR now :angry:
Cheers anyways mate.
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, kinda wish i went with APR now :angry:
Cheers anyways mate.
Your not the only one
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, kinda wish i went with APR now :angry:
Cheers anyways mate.
Your not the only one
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Me going APR stage 2 1st week in Aug :rolleyes:
Also got a call today to say that the APR RSC Exhaust that i cancelled has turned up now that i have ordered a Milltek :huh:
decisions decisions which should i pick :sad: Awesome said that i could offer both up and pick between them
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They got a Turbo back Exhaust in stock, Im interested if they do.
My GTI has started to fail under acceleration now. If i put my foot down it just fails to spool up then after like juddering along it suddenly comes back on boost and accelerates normally. Had to put it completely back to standard for VW warrenty to look at it. Had it checked locally and he seems to think its not coilpack or sparkplugs. But a turbo sensor or something?
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They got a Turbo back Exhaust in stock, Im interested if they do.
My GTI has started to fail under acceleration now. If i put my foot down it just fails to spool up then after like juddering along it suddenly comes back on boost and accelerates normally. Had to put it completely back to standard for VW warrenty to look at it. Had it checked locally and he seems to think its not coilpack or sparkplugs. But a turbo sensor or something?
Yes mate it came in the other day, after 2 months on order i cancelled it and went for the New Style Milltek,
I have decided to go with the Milltek so this will be up for grabs, http://www.goapr.com/products/apr_exhaust_mk6_20tsi.html
I you are interested give them a call, if they say it is for a customer get them to ring me and i will confirm that i don't want it anymore. :wink: :smiley:
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They got a Turbo back Exhaust in stock, Im interested if they do.
My GTI has started to fail under acceleration now. If i put my foot down it just fails to spool up then after like juddering along it suddenly comes back on boost and accelerates normally. Had to put it completely back to standard for VW warrenty to look at it. Had it checked locally and he seems to think its not coilpack or sparkplugs. But a turbo sensor or something?
Yes mate it came in the other day, after 2 months on order i cancelled it and went for the New Style Milltek,
I have decided to go with the Milltek so this will be up for grabs, http://www.goapr.com/products/apr_exhaust_mk6_20tsi.html
I you are interested give them a call, if they say it is for a customer get them to ring me and i will confirm that i don't want it anymore. :wink: :smiley:
Any idea what price they charge for it mate?
What made you change your mind and go for the milltek?
Thanks
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You would be better off getting a price from them as i was getting other work done aswell, not the cheapest on the market thou ?
i changed my mind cos i got p..sed off with the wait and also Milltek brought their new system out inbetween, APR does sound well but going by the video you can see the rear silencer box under the diffuser ? which Milltek have now sorted :smiley:
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Look forward to hearing how the APR os compared to the Revo Neil. Any chance they can give you a blast with APR before you go stage 2?
Mine stutter at full throttle is starting to get alot worse... :undecided:
I am in Birmingham in a couple of weeks so may book in to go see topher and get her on the RR and looked at... I want to get to the bottom of this!
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Look forward to hearing how the APR os compared to the Revo Neil. Any chance they can give you a blast with APR before you go stage 2?
Mine stutter at full throttle is starting to get alot worse... :undecided:
I am in Birmingham in a couple of weeks so may book in to go see topher and get her on the RR and looked at... I want to get to the bottom of this!
am getting the onoff throottle too :sad:
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Look forward to hearing how the APR os compared to the Revo Neil. Any chance they can give you a blast with APR before you go stage 2?
Mine stutter at full throttle is starting to get alot worse... :undecided:
I am in Birmingham in a couple of weeks so may book in to go see topher and get her on the RR and looked at... I want to get to the bottom of this!
Yes Gilly they will let you try the out the APR first,
but by the time they fit the zorst and carbonio stage 2 i don't think that you will be able to compare maps :rolleyes:
Gonna get all done together and see how it performs and if time stick it on the rollers :wink:
No throttle issues with mine :shocked: must be a Candy white thing :grin:
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If the throttle issue is between 1500rpm and 3000rpm then it's down to the Revo map.
They haven't got this ironed out yet on the Mk6 TSI, and on stage 2 (or stage 1 with hardware mods) it's much much worse. It basically a boost control issue where as soon as the car overboosts the ECU cuts the throttle, meaning you get a stuttering or hesitation type effect. If your car is dyno'ed you will see this as lots of spikes in the graph upto 3k rpm then it all smooths out.
I went out in an APR stage 1 car last weekend (after the owner got a refund from Revo due to the boost control issue)and the difference was night and day. After talking to him again after it had time to adapt he's a very happy man.
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I went out in an APR stage 1 car last weekend (after the owner got a refund from Revo due to the boost control issue)and the difference was night and day. After talking to him again after it had time to adapt he's a very happy man.
Steve I had APR, Milltek etc on my Mk5 and it was great, thats why I'm going for it on the Mk6, had no issues with the Revo but i think the APR will be a lot smoother and pull longer ?
Got a Call from Awesome to say that my Milly with black tips will be ready next week :smiley: hows yours sounding now its getting coked up a bit :smiley:
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It settled down very well, has a nice deep sound without being too loud and without a doubt makes the car much more responsive.
Cold starts and private runway cruising at 95+ give a little drone but nothing that bothers me :wink:
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It settled down very well, has a nice deep sound without being too loud and without a doubt makes the car much more responsive.
Cold starts and private runway cruising at 95+ give a little drone but nothing that bothers me :wink:
:grin:
Sounds good to me, can't wait till August :wink:
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Should look great on yours with the black tips :kiss:
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Look forward to hearing how the APR os compared to the Revo Neil. Any chance they can give you a blast with APR before you go stage 2?
Mine stutter at full throttle is starting to get alot worse... :undecided:
I am in Birmingham in a couple of weeks so may book in to go see topher and get her on the RR and looked at... I want to get to the bottom of this!
ill let u know what VW say the problem on mine is when it goes back. Might be worth u changing the same part? Carn't b co-incidence.
MAY I ADD.... the problem is just the same in standard.
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If the throttle issue is between 1500rpm and 3000rpm then it's down to the Revo map.
Cheers Steve.. although mine seems to be an issue on full boost between 3000rpm - 5000rpm. Will be getting it looked at in a couple of weeks.
jdjd... I look forward to hear what VW have to say about the issue and if there is a known fault.
If this continues I will be looking to APR to see how it compares :smiley:
Would be great to see some graphs Neil :evil:
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Apart from Neil, it seems most Revo'd cars have a throttle response problem.
So I cannot understand why Revo so popular. :rolleyes:
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Apart from Neil, it seems most Revo'd cars have a throttle response problem.
So I cannot understand why Revo so popular. :rolleyes:
Because everyone reccomends it, and everyones an expert, it spreds like chinese wispers :grin: and they have their internet fan base :wink: You often find this sort of thing happening with products. Its even worse in audio sadly. :cry:
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Apart from Neil, it seems most Revo'd cars have a throttle response problem.
So I cannot understand why Revo so popular. :rolleyes:
Because everyone reccomends it, and everyones an expert, it spreds like chinese wispers :grin: and they have their internet fan base :wink: You often find this sort of thing happening with products. Its even worse in audio sadly. :cry:
Worse in audio me thinks. :cry: Mad as March hares some of them! :sick:
So, as some of us thought all along, Revo is still in revolution! :rolleyes:
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....always dangerous an internet publication....I mean If they do a 1000 GTI's and 10 have a problem and those 10 negative together with another 10 positive post there meaning.....where do you stand reading the info...in other words do they deliver a bad product.....
Throttle response might mean more than failure....is it not that they have to take torque on the DSG into account...
I would open up a specific Revo topic and give Revo users bad or good a chance to post ..if you really want to have a sort of poll...
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(Off topic) The point its in human nature to not admit you made a mistake. What ever you buy is always the best . You will find most things like this, most people don't talk about any slight issues. You see it all the time, mainly as they don't want to go against the masses or think independantly.
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Maybe a poll of Abt vs REVO vs Bluefin vs can't think of them all. You know what I mean.
We all probably know, deep down inside, Abt is probably the best. :wink:
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But again due to the human way thinking, people will just vote for what they bought. :smiley:
{OT} Which reminds me Mk6 people should be voting on this thread http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=161069.0 :grin:
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But is it also not human nature to tell people of the hassle you have had with a product / company rather than the good news?
Nobody is interested in good news hence there is no momentum in it.
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I myself am very interested in good news...maybe it is the individual.. :grin:
Anyway my ABT is (still) working and the moment I have problems This Forum is the first to know....as with my rear camera...real sh!t...still not solved
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I think one of the problems is that once people buy a map they are unlikely to get a different map. Therefore they can't make the comparison that is required.
I think all that matters is the owner is happy.
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Im not going to sing for a product that does not perform. The Revo has been perfect upto a couple of weeks ago, just after its service (coincidence??) its been acting weird from time to time.
If this is down to the map.. then I will certainly voice my concerns to revo (and will let all know on here also). :smiley:
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Im not going to sing for a product that does not perform. The Revo has been perfect upto a couple of weeks ago, just after its service (coincidence??) its been acting weird from time to time.
If this is down to the map.. then I will certainly voice my concerns to revo (and will let all know on here also). :smiley:
Strange that. I'm sure it will be solved especially as you have had no trouble previously. :smiley:
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I think one of the problems is that once people buy a map they are unlikely to get a different map. Therefore they can't make the comparison that is required.
I guess you mean likely here....... :wink:
I thought it is a parameter question only, therefore UN-likely to be different so comparable.....who knows the details here....I'd be quite interested... :nerd:
I do not see how my ABT would be better than a REVO or APR etc etc.....the big price difference (twice the amount) I translated that (so far) in warantee-matters...
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Im not going to sing for a product that does not perform. The Revo has been perfect upto a couple of weeks ago, just after its service (coincidence??) its been acting weird from time to time.
If this is down to the map.. then I will certainly voice my concerns to revo (and will let all know on here also). :smiley:
Gilly a few peeps on the other forum have had to get there maps reflashed after a service ?
why don't you try and reinstall it with your select switch and see if that solves it :sad:
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Im not going to sing for a product that does not perform. The Revo has been perfect upto a couple of weeks ago, just after its service (coincidence??) its been acting weird from time to time.
If this is down to the map.. then I will certainly voice my concerns to revo (and will let all know on here also). :smiley:
Gilly a few peeps on the other forum have had to get there maps reflashed after a service ?
why don't you try and reinstall it with your select switch and see if that solves it :sad:
I didnt actually think of that. however i did remove the map before it went in, and then put it back as I was leaving the garage. will give it another flash this evening and see how it goes and report back :smiley:
Cheers Neil :wink:
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I think one of the problems is that once people buy a map they are unlikely to get a different map. Therefore they can't make the comparison that is required.
I guess you mean likely here....... :wink:
I thought it is a parameter question only, therefore UN-likely to be different so comparable.....who knows the details here....I'd be quite interested... :nerd:
I do not see how my ABT would be better than a REVO or APR etc etc.....the big price difference (twice the amount) I translated that (so far) in warantee-matters...
You raise a good question. Ultimately the tuners are all given the same hardware with the same headroom. But its like giving different chefs the same ingredients. They will all serve it in their own way.
From what I have surmised Superchips (Bluefin included) seem to be quite conservative. Looking at their quoted figures (and the matching results from Rolling Roads) indicates they go for a lower horsepower and torque figure. IIRC then around 250-255 seems to be their ball park. Perhaps one of the reasons for this is that they want to retain the OEM drive of the car and so provide a gentle and subtle increase.
Revo seem to be inclined to give a little more torque. Although I am yet to see another Revo car match what Revo quote (FroGTI seems to be the only one). Revo quote around 275 hp and 310 lbsft torque but most I have seen (even Edition 30's) get around 268 hp and 290lbsft torque.
I have no experience or knowledge with ABT or APR and so cannot comment on either.
Personally I looked at Revo as I was drawn to their higher figures (sometimes you can't help it). But I ended up getting Graham from torque.it to do my car. He quoted my around 260-270 depending on the rolling road and about the same in torque. My car was tested with 270 hp and 289lbsft of torque which I was pleasantly surprised with. *My car was tested with Sainsbury's 97 octane Super Unleaded fuel if anyone wants to know.
Some tuners like superchips have provided a more OEM driving car whilst Revo are what I like to call "talk and torque happy". Although the same hardware, it is the delivery that differs.
And another reason I don't like Revo is that everyone I have spoken to with Revo has a flat spot they notice. Mine doesn't :smiley:!
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Quotations are quite useless in our case...the only way to get a good inside is a before and after check on the dyno's...
The ones I checked on the internet always started with approx. 210 and ended up with approx. 255-260 on the Dyno with Octane 98
My next question would be is it that great of an achievement to get the most horsepower...... or is it far more important to achieve the smoothest ride with the max. torque well devided......or can you do both....
Unfortunately I only know 270 is more than 260 BHP... :sad:
The main thing is that the ABT worked miracles for me .....but I have no idea about hp nor torque other than what they quote :wink:
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Well I'll see if I can scan in my results later tonight. Will need to wire up the printer first (still not done it all summer :embarassed:)
The good thing about my map is that the torque comes in just the way I like it. And it also stays there right through the rev range. Looking at my print out I've pretty much got 289lbsft torque from 2450rpm to 5000rpm. Some of the revo cars seem to hit full torque and then tail off pretty soon.
have a look at some of the cars on here. Probs best to focus on the mk5 models (GTI and Ed 30) http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryRollingroad.htm
That's just one set of results.
But anyway, enough of us stealing this thread... steve hurry up and get stage 2 operational! :tongue:
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Why arn't the DSG people talking about a Stage3 map for the dsg box, So much faster and better. If i had a dsg mine would be remap'd instant
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For me the reason is simply that I have no problem with the DSG as it is.
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DSG Software is not available for the version of the DSG gearbox used in the Mk6 as yet.
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I find the DSG very good, a little less in "D" (different settings) than on the MK V but Stage I straightened that small minor as a bonus... :cool:
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Steve P, Any chance I could get your services one afternoon if i came down to meet u. Help me try and find out what the f**k is wrong with my car. It must be a sensor or something that has failed. My car has only recently started to like drop of boost when starting to accelerate. Then it all comes back with a surge. Need somebody knowledgeable with the time to look. Im running revo software btw.
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Steve P, Any chance I could get your services one afternoon if i came down to meet u. Help me try and find out what the f**k is wrong with my car. It must be a sensor or something that has failed. My car has only recently started to like drop of boost when starting to accelerate. Then it all comes back with a surge. Need somebody knowledgeable with the time to look. Im running revo software btw.
Think I know what your problem is.
Revo seems to be giving lots of folk on here problems with a boost issue (or rather lack of boost issue).
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^^^ A bit of a generalisation, and the "known" issue I have posted about is related to the development Stage 2 code or stage 1 with major hardware mods.
@ jdjd - PM me as I will be more than happy to help :smiley:
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Am going to email REVO and say what they say. Not happy that my car is preforming the way it is. Sort it out or refund is due? What to peeps think? :huh:
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Am going to email REVO and say what they say. Not happy that my car is preforming the way it is. Sort it out or refund is due? What to peeps think? :huh:
They will bullsh!t u like they bullsh!t me