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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: KennyGTI on 14 May 2010, 14:53
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Was hoping to go and get my Golf remapped tomorrow by REVO but it appears the 2010 models and onwards have an anti software tuning device on their ECUs :cry: Only way round it is to remove the ECU! :angry: Why did I not just order my GTIs 6 months prior! :huh:
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So from what production month is this?
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Blimey this is intresting stuff?? What about the GTD? mine was made in nov09!! :cool:
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NNNOOOOO this cant be true :sad:
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:rolleyes: Who did you hear that off?
Sounds like bullsh!t if u ask me, However I stand here ready to be corrected. There will be someway round it if it is true. Just give the tuners a month or so to catch up
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It's not true.
The 2010 ECU's can't be tuned via the OBD-II port.
For these cars the ECU has to be removed and re-flashed on the bench.
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Only way round it is to remove the ECU!
I know it can be done, just need to remove the ECU which involes removing the anti tamper screws. As i stated in the first post. Its a hassle and not very convenient to remove the ECU.
I spoke to REVO and Awesome GTI and both said the same. Need to wait a few months by the looks of it.
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Blimey this is intresting stuff?? What about the GTD? mine was made in nov09!! :cool:
Think yours will be OK mate, maybe just. Best call however is doing the remap and ask them. They need to get your ECU number to check.
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What do you mean exactly by 2010 models? All VWs built from May 1, 2009 (and therefore ALL Mk6 GTIs) are officially classed as 2010 models.
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No, not all Mk6's as some already have remaps on them without any problems. I think its more Golfs built in 2010. From looking through different forums some are saying VW introduced this on their cars built from November 2009 onwards. But your best checking with your tuners.
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i think this is good news if you already have a remap as it kind of shows that they have been struggling to find the mapped ones :smiley:
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i think this is good news if you already have a remap as it kind of shows that they have been struggling to find the mapped ones :smiley:
Lol, yes :smiley: I feel sorry for those who will encounter difficulties, however, as the stock car is underpowered IMHO.
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2010 owners:
(http://www.jlh-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/simpsons_nelson_haha3.jpg)
(sorry)
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Dear Exonian,
(http://i3.bebo.com/039a//0/skin/2008/01/23/19/5512345611_main_bg_0209.jpg)
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Spooner :kiss:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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Lol, dont worry REVO are in the progress of sorting it all out and I imagine APR will be too. Am still enjoying my stock power for now, not bored yet! :cool:
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2010 owners:
(http://www.jlh-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/simpsons_nelson_haha3.jpg)
(sorry)
LMAO :grin:
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True,
Late november 2009 they introduced the anti via OBD tune ecus, We have carried out a 2 maps on TDIs with anti tamper ecus, but the ecus had to come out and be flashed on the bench. We left visual signs / damage on the security mount and on the lip of the ecu when we had to pry it open and that was being very careful. A quick way to void any warranty imo. Give it a few months and there will be a true OBD flash solution out.
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Why have VW done this? :huh:
I doubt remapping will cause many warranty issues so is it just to protect their brand line up?
My only guess is they don't want anyone remapping a GTI to have more power than an R.
Have any other manufacturers done the same?
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The ECUs have always been coded, the code crackers are in business to stay up with the game and that's part of the reason some of the re-maps cost as much as they do. Time = Money.
VW don't want people hacking into their ECUs, re-writing the expensively assembled software and then going back to VW trying to claim for running problems under warranty. VW group sell an awful lot of cars around the world and they probably also don't want other manufacturers nicking their ideas either.
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VW don't particularly like people tampering with their ECUs and never have, they put measures in place but software engineers find a way round it, just as it will happen this time. Strip away the bells and whistles and flashing a map to an ecu is basically hacking anyway, and hackers find new ways to defeat antivirus and firewalls every day.
One company will probably nail it (most likely with help of backhanders from bosch employees) and others will copy/clone.
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VW don't particularly like people tampering with their ECUs and never have, they put measures in place but software engineers find a way round it, just as it will happen this time. Strip away the bells and whistles and flashing a map to an ecu is basically hacking anyway, and hackers find new ways to defeat antivirus and firewalls every day.
One company will probably nail it (most likely with help of backhanders from bosch employees) and others will copy/clone.
aiii! true true winston! just give it time
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When did this alleged change happen?
From what point in build is it supposedly impossible to re-flash?
Anyone know?
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Funny I have mentioned this already quite a few times on various topics here...but no-one seemed bothered.... :wink:
It is true !!... and ofcourse complete bull if you say that VW does not want you to come too close to the "R" since you have the option to OBD tune it with VW themselves (via ABT).....as I did :wink:
If you want to go a four hundred euro cheaper than ABT, in the Netherlands you have JD Engineering they charge you 200 euro or so extra for the hassle of tuning a 2010 GTI...maybe worth a week-end in the surroundings of nice Lochem... :cool:
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How did Erik from Holland get his ABT re-mapping done?
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Simple by paying the VW dealer 1450 euro... :laugh:
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Erik:
They don't offer this at my dealership. I asked.
I wonder if there are other dealers in the UK that offer this service?
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I would imagine its more to do with not stepping on audis toes...
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OMG that is awfull to hear...how on earth is it possible that it is not standardized...every country should have the same possibilities with the same GTI :angry:
Really sorry to hear mate....but again come over to Lochem in the Netherlands and you will be driving home a lot faster leaving JD-Engineering after paying a 1000 euro .... :cool:
They are the best in the field maybe even better then ABT..... :wink:
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Could this perhaps be in preperation for when a special edition might come out, like the "Edition 35" or something?
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Erik:
They don't offer this at my dealership. I asked.
I wonder if there are other dealers in the UK that offer this service?
C'mon Kenneth, pay attention, there are dozens of links to those Abt kitted monstrosities on here sold I think by Lookers. They will happily relieve you of your hard earned to perform an Abt map on your ECU as they are the UK agents.
Abt have a sort of semi-official capacity and thus have access to VWs inner most secrets. The downside of that is they're expensive. The upside is that if you live in parts of Europe you get full warranty on the converted bits.
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I would imagine its more to do with not stepping on audis toes...
Nope...none of this all....it is simply what the importer OR DEALER wants to do....
My dealer importer gives remapping but does not want to do anything with VAG :sick:.....they are all sick...
The consolation...I have to come to England for VAG and you lot have to come over for remapping....
For all of you it is worth to find out if you ABT it overhere (450 more) that it is possible to keep your guarantee :wink:
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Erik:
They don't offer this at my dealership. I asked.
I wonder if there are other dealers in the UK that offer this service?
C'mon Kenneth, pay attention, there are dozens of links to those Abt kitted monstrosities on here sold I think by Lookers. They will happily relieve you of your hard earned to perform an Abt map on your ECU as they are the UK agents.
Abt have a sort of semi-official capacity and thus have access to VWs inner most secrets. The downside of that is they're expensive. The upside is that if you live in parts of Europe you get full warranty on the converted bits.
EXONIAN saves the day......you tell them.....let them do their homework... :laugh:
BTW In the Netherlands ABT works officially with the dealers...so no hanky panky ...you get the ABT stamp in your VW service manual and full guarantee.. :wink:
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Lookers Battersea, London SW11 are Dovercourt.
I will give them a call tomorrow and find out.
Perhaps Steve30 got his car from them.
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Go ...go...go... and save yourself a boattrip... :wink:
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Lookers Battersea, London SW11 are Dovercourt.
I will give them a call tomorrow and find out.
Perhaps Steve30 got his car from them.
Hello mate, yes I did get it from there, and they dont and wont touch maped Vw's!!
GTI james bought his ed30 from them had it mapped, then the DSG mecatronice unit went on it, and they refused to touch it point blank. Loads of money when that goes??? :wink:
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Lookers Battersea, London SW11 are Dovercourt.
I will give them a call tomorrow and find out.
Perhaps Steve30 got his car from them.
Hello mate, yes I did get it from there, and they dont and wont touch maped Vw's!!
GTI james bought his ed30 from them had it mapped, then the DSG mecatronice unit went on it, and they refused to touch it point blank. Loads of money when that goes??? :wink:
How did they know it was remapped???
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Steve: Same as my dealership West London VW (Inchcape). They won't touch the car or service it if it is re-mapped.
All too much of a risk.
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I'm not sure how they new , but he only the car 3 months from new, and the unit in DSG broke, could have been the Revo that did this to it??
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...and full circle again.... :grin:
Tell me how does IT service in your company knows you have been on a Porn internet site....even if you are thinking to have erased it all.... :nerd:
We are talking computers here...so everything ( remapping to do with motormanagement) will be registrated in some sort of log.....
You lot never stop to amaze me...expensive new GTI's and un-official modifications because it is cheap... :rolleyes:
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^ because the ECU coding is different and leaves a signature...even after remap and removal, i presume there is no complete lift of every piece of software code...that would leave cars vulnerable in terms of theft with factory alarms and stuff i expect.
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Steve: Same as my dealership West London VW (Inchcape). They won't touch the car or service it if it is re-mapped.
All too much of a risk.
Its risky doing a re-map IMO, you takes your chances in life, and makes your choices!! Not sure if I want to go ahead myself?? :wink:
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Steve: Same as my dealership West London VW (Inchcape). They won't touch the car or service it if it is re-mapped.
All too much of a risk.
So they say. As above.
But how would they know??
The only warranty issues, even if they knew it was remapped, would be with parts they can directly blame on the remap.
The rest of the warranty is intact.
You then go to your remap company.
Servicing????
VW can't and don't say they won't touch remapped cars - rubbish.
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wont service it??? WTF is that to do with the price of chips? Honouring warranty is different but service is a service...they check the car...oil, filter visual check...jb done and £150 lighter surely??
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exactly
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Lookers Battersea, London SW11 are Dovercourt.
I will give them a call tomorrow and find out.
Perhaps Steve30 got his car from them.
UK agents for Abt? http://www.realwire.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=13323
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warranty issues would be anything to do with drivetrain, bushes, engine, engine mounts etc, as VW can claim the car was not designed to put out that power, nor was it able to sustain the transfer of the power gain to the road without causing damage to components, hence them upping elements for the ED30 etc
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VW can't and don't say they won't touch remapped cars - rubbish.
Sorry but they do say this above , some dealers will not bother but some will not touch the car with a barge pole!
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Search for Apr US SPEC GTIs have had to deal with this since the launch.
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ECU installation (You need to replace the tamper proof bolts if your worried about the dealer finding out)
APRs is undetectable they have stock mode.
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But how would they know??
The only warranty issues, even if they knew it was remapped, would be with parts they can directly blame on the remap.
The rest of the warranty is intact.
You then go to your remap company.
Servicing????
VW can't and don't say they won't touch remapped cars - rubbish.
In an ideal world you are100 percent right..........................but you are wrong :wink:i
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warranty issues would be anything to do with drivetrain, bushes, engine, engine mounts etc, as VW can claim the car was not designed to put out that power, nor was it able to sustain the transfer of the power gain to the road without causing damage to components, hence them upping elements for the ED30 etc
Firstly they have to prove the car was /is remapped. Again, how would they know if your car has the standard map when you take it in??
And why would they look?
Secondly they have to prove the fault was due to the remap.
Thirdly the remap company will normally warranty issues caused by their remap. (for 12 months at least)
Fourthly - life's way too short.
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1stly If a car is mapped VAGcom will pick this up no?
2ndly they would look to save money...its a business ;grin:
3rdly not all elements would be covered by remap warranty, that would be only engine running...nothing around drivetrain etc
4thly your right :grin:
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plus i dont need to worry...see my sig :afro:
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Fourthly - life's way too short.
I agree with this at my stage in life!
Tuners will have to break into the ECU box to re-map my car as things stand now.
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1stly If a car is mapped VAGcom will pick this up no?
2ndly they would look to save money...its a business ;grin:
3rdly not all elements would be covered by remap warranty, that would be only engine running...nothing around drivetrain etc
4thly your right :grin:
My understanding is:
With bluefin and some other remaps you can restore to the original map and the flash count is reset to zero.
They could call in the ECU experts and try to prove that a remap was once, at some stage, on my car but why would they?
As I said earlier - those who don't like any sort of risk in life should not bother and enjoy their fantastic car as it is.
Personally, I think the risk is very small indeed.
If my turbo pops next week or my engine gets screwed then I go to VW (remap removed), then Superchips then my bank….
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Are you sure about the flash count? I read they couldn't reset that as it was stored elsewhere.
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They have to open the ECU box on my car and the flash recount cannot be reset. I have checked. Unfortunately.
I'll just have to use an oil additive, an octane booster, use 99 RON fuel, feel p!ssed off but secure! :wink:
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I can just imagine the question from my service manager.
"Have you had your car remapped Sir?"
Reply: " No, I don't have Sat nav, why would I need new maps?"
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I can just imagine the question from my service manager.
"Have you had your car remapped Sir?"
Reply: " No, I don't have Sat nav, why would I need new maps?"
:laugh:
Brilliant! :laugh:
'Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.' :wink:
Go for it tiger! :grin:
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Why have VW done this? :huh:
I doubt remapping will cause many warranty issues so is it just to protect their brand line up?
My only guess is they don't want anyone remapping a GTI to have more power than an R.
Have any other manufacturers done the same?
Not just vag, BMW as well or should I say Bosch systems as a whole.
At the end of the day it is Illegal to change the code on a ecu without the consent of the producers, same as chipping a playstation or changing a mobile phones IME.
Nick
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At the end of the day it is Illegal to change the code on a ecu without the consent of the producers, same as chipping a playstation or changing a mobile phones IME.
Nick
Its illegal to change the code? Never knew that.
On what grounds would or could they do you on?
Fair enough if you have hire purchase with VW so technically they still owned the car but if you finance elsewhere or pay outright then surely it is your car to do with what you want?!
Is it illegal to chip a playstation? Granted its illegal to use pirated software on it but I'm not sure its actually illegal to chip it.
Loads of businesses openly advertise they will chip your console as do loads of businesses advertise they will flash your ecu.
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Chipping consoles is not illegal as you actually own the hardware... The difference is when you run bootleg games that you don't own the rights too via full legit purchase...remeber tha these were advertised ad backups...the only time code is illegal to mess with is when you use someone elses copyrighted code. Ie a Hyundai running VAG engine management. Altering said code and hardware is big business and altering it if it was illegal would mean APR RTECH, REVO et al would be jailed and bankrupt surely? :laugh:
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Chipping consoles is not illegal as you actually own the hardware... The difference is when you run bootleg games that you don't own the rights too via full legit purchase...remeber tha these were advertised ad backups...the only time code is illegal to mess with is when you use someone elses copyrighted code. Ie a Hyundai running VAG engine management. Altering said code and hardware is big business and altering it if it was illegal would mean APR RTECH, REVO et al would be jailed and bankrupt surely? :laugh:
As far as I know to Change copywrite software / firmware / intellectual property you need to have permission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modding
Nick
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Nick you may well be right and I'm not belittling your knowledge but the credentials of wikipedia means nothing as anyone can write stuff / alter stuff on there.
You obviously work for a remapping company, do you ask permission from VW, Audi, BMW or Ford before remapping their cars?
I doubt it very much. So going by your logic you are committing a crime so why haven't the big manufacturers shut you and other remappers down?
If a customer owns the car I can't see how any manufacturer could intervene.
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When you buy a car you can make whatever mods you like. You have paid for the car and the software that it comes with. You would only be breaking the law or having to seek permission if you were selling the software as your own.
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When you buy a car you can make whatever mods you like. You have paid for the car and the software that it comes with. You would only be breaking the law or having to seek permission if you were selling the software as your own.
I quite agree. But VW can be real fcukers sometimes and refuse to do remedial work with all sorts of excuses. Thankfully, I know my way around with my beautiful Warranty Manager. She is really quite a looker and very smart and effecient. I have even made her blush! So I am not too worried! :laugh:
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Some VW dealers are still offering the VW Racing (Superchips) remap with exhaust and suspension upgrades.
How?
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By allowing superchips access to the write software keys no doubt
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Does this mean bluefin will still work for post Nov cars?
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Does this mean bluefin will still work for post Nov cars?
Now this will be a turn up for the books!
Can't wait to find out. :grin:
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Try it and see.
Send it back if it doesn't work.
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When you buy a car you can make whatever mods you like. You have paid for the car and the software that it comes with. You would only be breaking the law or having to seek permission if you were selling the software as your own.
I quite agree. But VW can be real fcukers sometimes and refuse to do remedial work with all sorts of excuses. Thankfully, I know my way around with my beautiful Warranty Manager. She is really quite a looker and very smart and effecient. I have even made her blush! So I am not too worried! :laugh:
Could well be, but how much money would it take to prove everyone was braking the law?
nick
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
How much do they Charge though?
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
And you would have a superchip's bluefin remap without the bluefin handset (but paying a lot more for it) :wink:
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Kev the VW (engine) warrantee is NEVER valid after remapping other than VW remapping...!!!!!!!
You are right to say that "your" VW guys take over the warrantee for engine failure due to the remapping...but that is nothing new......other than VW businesspartner all the other pro's take over that particular bit, hence the expensive price (800 euro's at cheapest) for only 2 hours remapping.....the rest is a sort of "risk-investment" :wink:
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^^^ Not true Erik.
VWR have an agreement in place in the UK to offer "modification packages" that don't void the VW Warranty.
The packages include a performance one (remap, panel filter and cat back exhaust), handling (springs and ARB's) and a brakes one.
They all come with special inserts for the handbook as well.
The performance package is around £1300 IIRC.
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I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that REVO, Superchips are actually writing or rewriting the code, they are simply adjusting the parameters, boost pressure, fueling etc.
As such they would not be not changing anything that belongs to the manufacturer and infringing their interlectual property rights or patents.
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
And you would have a superchip's bluefin remap without the bluefin handset (but paying a lot more for it) :wink:
Warranty is key though mate, I'd gladly pay that bit extra to keep it intact.
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I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that REVO, Superchips are actually writing or rewriting the code, they are simply adjusting the parameters, boost pressure, fueling etc.
As such they would not be not changing anything that belongs to the manufacturer and infringing their interlectual property rights or patents.
This is what I think too, although it's probably a simple copyright issue rather than patent. In any case it is not illegal for an individual or a business to purchase software (or hardware for that matter) and pull it apart to obtain knowledge through 'reverse engineering' the product, then use that knowledge in their own products - the car manufacturers themselves do it.
Remap warranties are always separate from VW's own warranty. It is the tuning companys agreement with VW for them to honour the factory warranty on unmodified parts which is so valuable to us as customers. To my knowledge that is only available in Europe and the UK from Abt and even then is dependent on the retailer/dealer supporting you as a customer if something goes wrong. In practise the likelihood of failure of another part on the car is very low and if you are unlucky enough to have a problem you can usually sidestep the issue (unless it's something expensive like a DSG failure).
For reference, I took this from the VWR website:
"Is manufacturer's warranty affected?
Yes, for those aspects of the engine and drivetrain that the manufacturer can prove were affected by any upgrade, any warranty claim will be rejected. All other aspects of the vehicle’s warranty should remain unaffected. Any parts from our range that are faulty or incorrectly installed will be replaced by us. Please note that this range of parts is intended for use within the United Kingdom, if you intend to use the car elsewhere it is your responsibility to establish the situation with regard to your manufacturer/other warranty."
I can imagine some dealers will try to aviod getting into this situation (having to prove any failure is or isn't caused by modifications) by not touching remapped vehicles inside warranty in the first place - it's not an efficient use of their resources. Others might be happy to keep quiet and do the warranty work without question as VW pick up most of the costs. Plus if they don't know the car is remapped or don't find out, you are obviously okay.
Whilst I'd like to think most tuning firms would help out (if only to maintain their reputation) I think in this economic climate many will do whatever it takes to avoid spending money on repairing your car if something breaks. Having said that, there are plenty of people on this and other forums who happily drive around in remapped cars (and use them hard) without any issues whatsoever.
I can understand that the peace of mind from having factory warranty is important to many particularly with the cost of DSG and labour rates. However everything in life is a risk and personally, I'd rather have more fun in a GTI with 270bhp than worry about what might break.
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And you would have a superchip's bluefin remap without the bluefin handset (but paying a lot more for it) :wink:
But you do end up with a Bluefin unit...
And VWR's code which is supposedly slightly different to Superchips own code - you need VWRs authorisation and confirmation to download it.
And you have a top up warranty - although I'm unsure of the small print on that!
And it'll work on 2010 cars, so I'm reliably informed.
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I am not impressed with VWR.
Rung them twice and they never call back. If they are just a bit more enthusiastic for business they would have got my business!
Don't think their customer service is up to scratch.
You only got 2 choices if you go down the VWR route. Pop your car down to Milton Keynes or go Northeast to Sunderland.
If your car goes wrong, don't think they will bother to reply email or returns calls!
When I complained on this forum, their managing director Sam Roach told me they are a racing team, looking after tuned VW road cars is not their main business priority-email to proved!
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I am not impressed with VWR.
Rung them twice and they never call back. If they are just a bit more enthusiastic for business they would have got my business!
Don't think their customer service is up to scratch.
You only got 2 choices if you go down the VWR route. Pop your car down to Milton Keynes or go Northeast to Sunderland.
If your car goes wrong, don't think they will bother to reply email or returns calls!
When I complained on this forum, their managing director Sam Roach told me they are a racing team, looking after tuned VW road cars is not their main business priority-email to proved!
They do run a race team...so in line with every other pukka race team they are busy during the race season.
Personally, I understand this....and in some ways it sets them apart from other companies that call them selves 'xx Racing' or 'yy Motorsport' where nobody they works for them have ever seen a race track....let alone actually built and run one.
I have Sam and Matts phone numbers and always find them helpful, and professional.
But, I accept that during the race season they can be hard to get hold of.
All I'll suggest is to keep trying as their stuff works...and works well.
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I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that REVO, Superchips are actually writing or rewriting the code, they are simply adjusting the parameters, boost pressure, fueling etc.
As such they would not be not changing anything that belongs to the manufacturer and infringing their interlectual property rights or patents.
This is what I think too, although it's probably a simple copyright issue rather than patent. In any case it is not illegal for an individual or a business to purchase software (or hardware for that matter) and pull it apart to obtain knowledge through 'reverse engineering' the product, then use that knowledge in their own products - the car manufacturers themselves do it.
Remap warranties are always separate from VW's own warranty. It is the tuning companys agreement with VW for them to honour the factory warranty on unmodified parts which is so valuable to us as customers. To my knowledge that is only available in Europe and the UK from Abt and even then is dependent on the retailer/dealer supporting you as a customer if something goes wrong. In practise the likelihood of failure of another part on the car is very low and if you are unlucky enough to have a problem you can usually sidestep the issue (unless it's something expensive like a DSG failure).
For reference, I took this from the VWR website:
"Is manufacturer's warranty affected?
Yes, for those aspects of the engine and drivetrain that the manufacturer can prove were affected by any upgrade, any warranty claim will be rejected. All other aspects of the vehicle’s warranty should remain unaffected. Any parts from our range that are faulty or incorrectly installed will be replaced by us. Please note that this range of parts is intended for use within the United Kingdom, if you intend to use the car elsewhere it is your responsibility to establish the situation with regard to your manufacturer/other warranty."
I can imagine some dealers will try to aviod getting into this situation (having to prove any failure is or isn't caused by modifications) by not touching remapped vehicles inside warranty in the first place - it's not an efficient use of their resources. Others might be happy to keep quiet and do the warranty work without question as VW pick up most of the costs. Plus if they don't know the car is remapped or don't find out, you are obviously okay.
Whilst I'd like to think most tuning firms would help out (if only to maintain their reputation) I think in this economic climate many will do whatever it takes to avoid spending money on repairing your car if something breaks. Having said that, there are plenty of people on this and other forums who happily drive around in remapped cars (and use them hard) without any issues whatsoever.
I can understand that the peace of mind from having factory warranty is important to many particularly with the cost of DSG and labour rates. However everything in life is a risk and personally, I'd rather have more fun in a GTI with 270bhp than worry about what might break.
Hmm, that doesnt sound like VWR give full warranty then. :huh:
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^^^ Not true Erik.
VWR have an agreement in place in the UK to offer "modification packages" that don't void the VW Warranty.
The packages include a performance one (remap, panel filter and cat back exhaust), handling (springs and ARB's) and a brakes one.
They all come with special inserts for the handbook as well.
The performance package is around £1300 IIRC.
Okay things are different in the UK sorry to mix things up...I think your VW-racing is a bit like the dutch ABT deal..... :wink:
Again (in the Netherlands :embarassed:) JD-Engineering takes full responsibility for engine failure caused by their remapping... :wink:
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I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that REVO, Superchips are actually writing or rewriting the code, they are simply adjusting the parameters, boost pressure, fueling etc.
As such they would not be not changing anything that belongs to the manufacturer and infringing their interlectual property rights or patents.
GTI MK VI 2010 are the ones you cannot get (in a normal way) around the code unless your name is ABT or in the UK VW racing.
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
And you would have a superchip's bluefin remap without the bluefin handset (but paying a lot more for it) :wink:
Warranty is key though mate, I'd gladly pay that bit extra to keep it intact.
Exactly my point of view :cool:...
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
And you would have a superchip's bluefin remap without the bluefin handset (but paying a lot more for it) :wink:
Warranty is key though mate, I'd gladly pay that bit extra to keep it intact.
Exactly my point of view :cool:...
Although I can see your reasoning behind going with an authorized agent... you are essentially paying double for the same thing Revo are offereing. The fact that they will honour the VW warranty should tell you something :wink:
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Although I can see your reasoning behind going with an authorized agent... you are essentially paying double for the same thing Revo are offereing. The fact that they will honour the VW warranty should tell you something :wink:
Hypothetical question here: if your turbo fails, or a CV joint collapses, or your DSG breaks and your local dealer turns around and says 'not my problem mate, you've had it re-mapped', Revo will step in and replace those parts?
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Although I can see your reasoning behind going with an authorized agent... you are essentially paying double for the same thing Revo are offereing. The fact that they will honour the VW warranty should tell you something :wink:
Hypothetical question here: if your turbo fails, or a CV joint collapses, or your DSG breaks and your local dealer turns around and says 'not my problem mate, you've had it re-mapped', Revo will step in and replace those parts?
I have no idea. firstly i would not tell them it has had a remap. but my point was I dont see anywhere in the VWR literature that says they would cover the same thing... yet they are getting away with charging you more than double the money.
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Solution: Get an R, get the power, preserve the warranty and bleed your bank balance! :evil:
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Solution: Get an R, get the power, preserve the warranty and bleed your bank balance! :evil:
i would still get the R remapped :wink:
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Solution: Get an R, get the power, preserve the warranty and bleed your bank balance! :evil:
i would still get the R remapped :wink:
Power corrupts. Absolutely! :laugh:
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Although I can see your reasoning behind going with an authorized agent... you are essentially paying double for the same thing Revo are offereing. The fact that they will honour the VW warranty should tell you something :wink:
Hypothetical question here: if your turbo fails, or a CV joint collapses, or your DSG breaks and your local dealer turns around and says 'not my problem mate, you've had it re-mapped', Revo will step in and replace those parts?
No they won't, and neither will the vast majority of the tuners out there.
It's such a grey area as IMHO there are very few issues that you could 100% say would not have occurred if the car hadn't been remapped.
I like my warranty but if your sensible and talk to your VW dealer you might be very surprised if you ever need to claim.
My old Edition 30 had a £1200 DSG mechantronics replacement warranty claim accepted and it was running Stage 2+ spec.
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Have to agree with steve on this one... although the fact that the mechantronics unit failure is a common issue may have helped.
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I am not impressed with VWR.
Rung them twice and they never call back. If they are just a bit more enthusiastic for business they would have got my business!
Don't think their customer service is up to scratch.
You only got 2 choices if you go down the VWR route. Pop your car down to Milton Keynes or go Northeast to Sunderland.
If your car goes wrong, don't think they will bother to reply email or returns calls!
When I complained on this forum, their managing director Sam Roach told me they are a racing team, looking after tuned VW road cars is not their main business priority-email to proved!
They do run a race team...so in line with every other pukka race team they are busy during the race season.
Personally, I understand this....and in some ways it sets them apart from other companies that call them selves 'xx Racing' or 'yy Motorsport' where nobody they works for them have ever seen a race track....let alone actually built and run one.
I have Sam and Matts phone numbers and always find them helpful, and professional.
But, I accept that during the race season they can be hard to get hold of.
All I'll suggest is to keep trying as their stuff works...and works well.
That's the whole point! If the product breakdown, you tried to ring them to rectify. They are so busy racing they will conveniently forgot to ring you back! I contacted them twice---the second time using my dad's name----same result!
I had used other tuning outlet which involve racing (Tech9, Graham Goode, GruppeM, Peugeot Motorsport) in the past and I had no problem contacting them and they are very good in answering my queries!
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Back to the point for anyone interested lol, going to my REVO dealer today to try load the stage 1 map on it. Will let you know the results tonight, fingers crossed :tongue:
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Solution: Get an R, get the power, preserve the warranty and bleed your bank balance! :evil:
i would still get the R remapped :wink:
Me too lol :evil:
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If I was to remap my car, I would probably only use VW Racing. I'm sure the warranty is not void in any way through these guys.
And you would have a superchip's bluefin remap without the bluefin handset (but paying a lot more for it) :wink:
Warranty is key though mate, I'd gladly pay that bit extra to keep it intact.
Exactly my point of view :cool:...
Although I can see your reasoning behind going with an authorized agent... you are essentially paying double for the same thing Revo are offereing. The fact that they will honour the VW warranty should tell you something :wink:
You are right...my first intention was to go there (some company simular JD Engineering) but the lease company stopped me....only ABT or otherwise NOT ALLOWED..... :sad:
I ended up paying 3035 euro... :lipsrsealed:
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This thread is boring me now!! :grin:
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...I often find that when there are things told I actually do not want to hear :laugh:
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Well after a we trip to the other side of Scotland this afternoon to try the REVO map on my 2010 Golf, i came home a happy man! No problems what so ever :laugh: My god its quick! 3K revs all hell breaks loose! Totally different to my Polo though, where that would kick in just after 2K but tail off top end where as the Golf just keeps pulling and pulling! :cool:
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Ecellent news Kenny!
The REVO's good isn't it. :smiley: :cool:
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Cool to hear.....besides the thrill of remapping it is double fun to be the first one on the 2010 models (in the UK :grin:)....... :cool:
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I've cleared some of the tat from this thread, try to keep somewhere close to on topic please chaps :wink:
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Took my business partner on a 5 hr trip last week in my Revo'd MK6, he commented how quick it was, he normally drives a GT3.
'nuff said.