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Title: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 06 May 2010, 14:41
On request.... :grin:


For those who missed the plot from the beginning....

My car was delivered without PDC...
Dealer is taking care off the PDC in the back...... today ....front is not possible as aftermarket..... :cry:
To end on a happy note...they are also tuning my car as a compensation....today...actually it is ready as I type.. :smiley:.

It is a ABT tuning ...and looks promising on paper....260 BHP...

Keep you informed  :evil:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 06 May 2010, 17:39
Okay just got home....

First of all the only and only and only difference is a small square stamp of ABT in your service booklet filled out with dealer number, your kilometers and a  few other numbers....(so no certificates any-longer) you get the keys and away you are.....

I was immediately into a congestion (traffic jam) and the first kilometers I kept wondering will I feel the difference....so far nothing...and the same sound...hell...everything was the same. :undecided:

I was in the "D" mode while suddenly there was a gap in front of me a couple of a hunderd meters so I floored it (engine warm).....O My God.....different ball game....totally unexpected ( I ve been doing this trick already more than a month :wink:) I got severely pushed into the leather... :evil:

The DSG is far better now meaning you cannot tell (that was already very hard) when it switches it becomes incredibly fluid!!!!

I think the biggest compliment you can give to this 2.0 TFSI Engine is the fact that your grandma is able to steer it thru heavy traffic in the city like any other car....that is unless she floors it....all hell will break loose :shocked:...even to the experienced younger driver.... :wink:

This is addiction in capitals...all the way home despite slow traffic I drove incredibly slower only to accelerate as a madman....

I picked up my wife and went on B-roads.....time to use "S "  :evil:

I kid you not but my wife screamed like hell when I floored it (and she is used to that little indulgence) she saw the bonnet coming up just a little and started shouting the car cannot flip over can it...... :rolleyes:

The drive is incredible the engine breaths better, picks up better, you name it it is like you bought a new engine in your toys for boys.....

It is a real no-brainer if you have the money because for 1400 euro you bought yourself a new car again.....honestly I cannot supress my enthousiasm and that is an achievement because I am negatively biased because of the forgotten PDC which btw they mounted also today... :grin: :lipsrsealed:

Forget the stamp or other proof you start driving the thing and you have got yourself a poor man's Ferarri... :cool:.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: Neil gti on 06 May 2010, 18:26
 :smiley: :laugh:  Very addictive isn't Eric, you can't stop putting your foot down
The problem is until you look at the speedo you don't realise what speed your doing cos it is soooooo smoooooothh  :rolleyes:
Enjoy !
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 06 May 2010, 18:51
...will you believe you just made me aware of it...I have not checked any speed today...too many eyes on the road....suddenly I appreciate uphead display.. :evil:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 06 May 2010, 19:09
Love your write-up Erik. Full of emotion and passion by your wife's reaction! Imagine what she will be like in Germany! :grin:
Brastards! I am so jealous!
Have to re-map. Which one, I have yet to decide. Probably Bluefin by Superchips as it is good and cheap as I am tight and like the idea of removing it or re-installing it myself! Bugger the extra insurance.
750 miles done so far. 750 miles to go. Can't wait as I find the car a bit sedate for my taste.
I want to drive something a bit more mental like myself! I said it first! :laugh:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 06 May 2010, 19:17
....this is so mental......you have to go deep to beat it...but somehow I think you will manage.... :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: GolfTi on 06 May 2010, 19:46
Poor man's Ferarri??

No - Clever man's Golf.

Enjoy. The difference is massive and the grins just get bigger.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 06 May 2010, 20:54
Poor man's Ferarri??
No - Clever man's Golf.
Enjoy. The difference is massive and the grins just get bigger.

I know this is Erik's thread, sorry Erik, but is Bluefin really good and easy to install?
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: gossa on 06 May 2010, 22:48
Eric, my car was the first one remapped here in the UK by Revo (so the Revo map they sell is based on my actual car) and they measured my car at 220 standard and 275 remapped. Whatever the numbers, the map makes it a totally different car, much more enjoyable and a proper performance car. Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 06 May 2010, 23:11
...the map makes it a totally different car, much more enjoyable and a proper performance car. Welcome to the club!

Can't wait to hit 1500 miles when I hope I can join this club, Insurance Company willing. :rolleyes: So jealous of you guys!
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 May 2010, 14:44
Hello Erik,

Autoweek.nl GTI Forum organise a meeting on 19 September by vd Udenhout, i hope you will come to....

http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.php?6,4248764,4361324#msg-4361324

greetings Ron
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: FroGTI on 07 May 2010, 15:44
Erik, I knew you'd love it. The stock GTI just doesn't have enough oomph, but the remapped version is far, far better than the extra 50 or 60hp makes you think.

If they made a RWD remapped GTI, it would probably be the perfect car (yes, I know there's the R, but I don't like the way it looks...)
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: Snoopy on 08 May 2010, 20:20
Thanks for the update/review.
I have just been reading the technical document from a VW source about the engine design and manufacture of the the EA888 engine range and how it compares to the older unit. They have unlike the mk5 GTI engine main block, head made the EA888 capable of handling ~270bhp.
"Engine block higher average internal pressures up to 25 Bar. That in turn allows for higher specific power output of greater 100kW/L and 175Nm/L."
So chipping is becoming more interesting to me from an engineers stand point than it did before.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 20:27
Yes Snoops, it is what I want too quite badly as I want more mid-range acceleration.
However, having spoken to my very nice and beautiful Warranty Manager lady, it seems that if VW have any inkling of a re-map then they would not touch the car if something went wrong. Also, any VW ECU updates would not be installed.
Do you not think this is a bit of a problem and a risk?
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 08 May 2010, 20:28
......I have to correct you slightly......FROM ANY POINT OF VIEW !!!!   :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

To end on an experience note.....Yesterday-evening  I went to an old friend ...Father drives MK V and Son drives MK 3.....both in my car for 15 minutes.....after that.......both of them spending the rest of the evening behind a laptop reading about Chiptuning....and left me and my wife and his wife  almost on our own........both had no doubts...this HAD to be done to their car.... :laugh:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: Snoopy on 08 May 2010, 20:33
Yes Snoops, it is what I want too quite badly as I want more mid-range acceleration.
However, having spoken to my very nice and beautiful Warranty Manager lady, it seems that if VW have any inkling of a re-map then they would not touch the car if something went wrong. Also, any VW ECU updates would not be installed.
Do you not think this is a bit of a problem and a risk?
Yes its why i may try and wait for a few years or talk myself out of it from an engineers point of view by looking at it at different levels. but i I have a problem in that my local VW dealer is also a VWR dealer and keeps asking if i want to try their demo car  :grin:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 20:35
Yes its why i may try and wait for a few years or talk myself out of it from an engineers point of view by looking at it at different levels. but i I have a problem in that my local VW dealer is also a VWR dealer and keeps asking if i want to try their demo car  :grin:

You lucky so and so! :grin:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 08 May 2010, 20:39
Hi Snoop all very rational I would support that 'till the end of days........but do not enter a remapped GTI............you go ballistic and cannot utter any sensible words....you'd better reach for Visa or else life with a GTI will never be the same again....... :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 20:41
Stop it Erik! PLEASE!
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 08 May 2010, 20:45
...the difference between talking about it (as in..... how you think it will be) and experiencing it  :shocked: is downright HUGE......!!!!!!!!

I am not kidding you not but I am feeling as thrilled as any new Porsche-owner in town....... :cool:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 20:47
...the difference between talking about it (as in..... how you think it will be) and experiencing it  :shocked: is downright HUGE......!!!!!!!!
I am not kidding you not but I am feeling as thrilled as any new Porsche-owner in town....... :cool:

Oh God! What have I done to deserve this torture?
I just need a bit of time to go all the way! :laugh:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 08 May 2010, 20:50
....time is of no importance......speed is..... :smiley:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 20:54
....time is of no importance......speed is..... :smiley:

Lord, give me strength! :cry:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: Snoopy on 08 May 2010, 21:04
....time is of no importance......speed is..... :smiley:

Lord, give me strength! :cry:
You will just have to start praying that VWs new performance R devision does what BMWs and FIAT/Alfas does and starts offer rechips for its cars. :evil:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 21:09
You will just have to start praying that VWs new performance R devision does what BMWs and FIAT/Alfas does and starts offer rechips for its cars. :evil:

I am on my knees already!
Do you think this may ever happen?  .....You tease.....
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: GolfTi on 08 May 2010, 21:49
...the difference between talking about it (as in..... how you think it will be) and experiencing it  :shocked: is downright HUGE......!!!!!!!!

I am not kidding you not but I am feeling as thrilled as any new Porsche-owner in town....... :cool:
Severe stress on the neck muscles and your eyeballs get pushed back a bit.  :tongue:
It really does have to be experienced to be believed. +45bhp (20% ish) on paper. Feels way more.
(Bluefin but similar results). :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 21:55
...the difference between talking about it (as in..... how you think it will be) and experiencing it  :shocked: is downright HUGE......!!!!!!!!
I am not kidding you not but I am feeling as thrilled as any new Porsche-owner in town....... :cool:
Severe stress on the neck muscles and your eyeballs get pushed back a bit.  :tongue:
It really does have to be experienced to be believed. +45bhp (20% ish) on paper. Feels way more.
(Bluefin but similar results). :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Got the insurance quotes now. :wink:
Now have to strengthen the Schuey muscles before I go for it.
It'll be Bluefin. Brilliant value for money.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: GolfTi on 08 May 2010, 21:56
Yes Snoops, it is what I want too quite badly as I want more mid-range acceleration.
However, having spoken to my very nice and beautiful Warranty Manager lady, it seems that if VW have any inkling of a re-map then they would not touch the car if something went wrong. Also, any VW ECU updates would not be installed.
Do you not think this is a bit of a problem and a risk?
Yes its why i may try and wait for a few years or talk myself out of it from an engineers point of view by looking at it at different levels. but i I have a problem in that my local VW dealer is also a VWR dealer and keeps asking if i want to try their demo car  :grin:
VWR use Superchips  = Bluefin.
Reset to the normal map for garage visits. Why would you want VW ECU updates?
Risk?  Slight and it's up to you.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 22:00
VWR use Superchips  = Bluefin.
Reset to the normal map for garage visits. Why would you want VW ECU updates?
Risk?  Slight and it's up to you.

You have a silver tongue! :smiley:
Re-mapped obviously! :laugh:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: Snoopy on 08 May 2010, 22:05
You will just have to start praying that VWs new performance R devision does what BMWs and FIAT/Alfas does and starts offer rechips for its cars. :evil:

I am on my knees already!
Do you think this may ever happen?  .....You tease.....
I do hope so.
Its a way of manufacturers to reduce CO2 average of there cars by offering off the shelf higher power versions as an accessory at there dealers rather than straight from the factory.
Its why BMW, FIAT, Alfa, Vauxhall(well it was actually the fiat TDI kit), MINI all do it.
It makes clever buisness sence.
So come on VW  :evil: get with the times. Its not like this is the first time you would have done it :wink: (They did it in the 80s with the mk1 16V)
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: jdjd on 08 May 2010, 23:34

VWR use Superchips  = Bluefin.


When I was looking into a remap, I spoke with vwr directly and they told me they were going to switch to revo......... back in january

Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 08 May 2010, 23:46
When I was looking into a remap, I spoke with vwr directly and they told me they were going to switch to revo......... back in january

Probably because we can re-map the car ourselves in 20 minutes and don't need their 'expertise' anymore!
PS: Let's use the Bluefin thread. This is the Abt thread.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: Snoopy on 09 May 2010, 10:31

VWR use Superchips  = Bluefin.


When I was looking into a remap, I spoke with vwr directly and they told me they were going to switch to revo......... back in january


They told me they were going to do both.
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: ErikGTI on 09 May 2010, 11:47
20 minutes sound hardly possible...with JD Engineering (a pro) it takes 2 hours or so and I could watch them doing it...and with ABT it will take an hour and a half a bit quicker (obviously they do not have to crack the VW-code.....(all MK VI 2010 are coded)...)  :wink:
Title: Re: ABT Tuning
Post by: am1w on 09 May 2010, 11:58
20 minutes sound hardly possible...with JD Engineering (a pro) it takes 2 hours or so and I could watch them doing it...and with ABT it will take an hour and a half a bit quicker (obviously they do not have to crack the VW-code.....(all MK VI 2010 are coded)...)  :wink:

I was being a bit too optimistic! :smiley: