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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: ErikGTI on 09 April 2010, 11:19
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Hello,
I am considering an ABT VW upgrade meaning 30-40 BHP more...
Is there anybody with a ...before-after...experience.
For instance becomes the car more nervous and howabout behaviour in a congestion driving very slow...
Is the mod very noticable etc etc
My dealer is suggesting it to me as a compensation for forgetting the PDC.... :lipsrsealed:
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I posted this on the 19th February on the 'Revo or Bluefin?' thread started by DasAuto.
Abt is the best without a doubt and this is my unanimous opinion also! :laugh:
A synopsis from Car Magazine of a CUSTOM remap - "Most chip remaps/conversions are generic and don't take account that over a car's production run its ECU may be changed and the accompanying software codes updated, so one ECU generation could have several different software codes and there could be more than one ECU generation.
It is also worth noting that manufacturers sometimes factor in an ECU reflash as part of a car's service schedule, curing glitches or improving running characterestics. This would wipe any chip upgrades, so the upgrade software needs to be re-installed. You should find out from the dearlership if a reflash was due and was installed.
One company that especially tailors chip conversion/upgrade for each particular car is Abt, based in Leeds. Abt are the German tuners who run Audi's DTM team. The work meets Germany's tough TUV standards and the warranty matches the factory offering.
On a Scirocco 2.0TFSi they acheived 40 bhp and 44 lb ft hikes to 237 bhp and 251 lb ft for power and torque. Installation time 1 hour, Cost £1299." - Ben Barry, Car Magazine, March 2010
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Hehe, so you've only had the car a week and you've already realised it's not powerful enough :grin: I was exactly the same. Got mine remapped by Revo after just 6 weeks. Incomparably better in every respect except traction :embarassed:
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Erik:
Get them to give you FOC: (1) The Abt re-map, (2) Rear parking sensors (dealer fit) and (3) Reversing Camera.
Now this would be a superb deal.
'Something good from something bad' - am1w, 2010
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I posted this on the 19th February on the 'Revo or Bluefin?' thread started by DasAuto.
Abt is the best without a doubt and this is my unanimous opinion also! :laugh:
A synopsis from Car Magazine of a CUSTOM remap - "Most chip remaps/conversions are generic and don't take account that over a car's production run its ECU may be changed and the accompanying software codes updated, so one ECU generation could have several different software codes and there could be more than one ECU generation.
It is also worth noting that manufacturers sometimes factor in an ECU reflash as part of a car's service schedule, curing glitches or improving running characterestics. This would wipe any chip upgrades, so the upgrade software needs to be re-installed. You should find out from the dearlership if a reflash was due and was installed.
One company that especially tailors chip conversion/upgrade for each particular car is Abt, based in Leeds. Abt are the German tuners who run Audi's DTM team. The work meets Germany's tough TUV standards and the warranty matches the factory offering.
On a Scirocco 2.0TFSi they acheived 40 bhp and 44 lb ft hikes to 237 bhp and 251 lb ft for power and torque. Installation time 1 hour, Cost £1299." - Ben Barry, Car Magazine, March 2010
What a complete load of toss. Raving on about custom mapping then "installation time 1 hour" rightyo!
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What a complete load of toss. Raving on about custom mapping then "installation time 1 hour" rightyo!
I am just the purveyor of this information. :smiley:
Would it be possible for you to kindly advise Erik due to your greater knowledge on this topic?
He has been offered this as a substitute for his lack of front and rear parking sensors.
Should he or should he not Abt?
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If it's free, sure! Just don't believe the hype. And certainly don't pay £1300 for it!
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Thanks guys...
I sadly missed the call of the dealer yesterday...I must admit it makes me even a bit nervous what the outcome will be... :smiley:
Mind you I would swear in court that my MK VI is a lot faster than my MK V already....I do not know howcome... :shocked:
A minor is that in comfort doing say 60 mph there is a low sound in the cabin which is on the edge of noticable/annoying.....
Topher surely the ABT is not a hype...and you cannot speak of I hype if someone asks honest opinions from users...to choose from.
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I am still contemplating a remap.
Why does the ABT remap cause twice as much when compare with Revo or Bluefin????
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I am still contemplating a remap.
Why does the ABT remap cause twice as much when compare with Revo or Bluefin????
Basically, because they are greedy bustards! :angry:
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I am still contemplating a remap.
Why does the ABT remap cause twice as much when compare with Revo or Bluefin????
Basically, because they are greedy bustards! :angry:
You really don't know how indepth each companies research goes though. Your paying for the program and the development and testing time. I get this at work all the time in my job from customers as most our machines now use PICs to control alot of things we use to do with OPAMPS the circuits are so much smaller but the programs can be quite complex.
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I am still contemplating a remap.
Why does the ABT remap cause twice as much when compare with Revo or Bluefin????
Basically, because they are greedy bustards! :angry:
You really don't know how indepth each companies research goes though. Your paying for the program and the development and testing time. I get this at work all the time in my job from customers as most our machines now use PICs to control alot of things we use to do with OPAMPS the circuits are so much smaller but the programs can be quite complex.
If I wanted a re-map Abt would be my 1st choice most probably and for the reasons in the article and your reasons. I would never REVO. My second choice would be Bluefin probably at a third the cost.
But I still think Abt is way too expensive and I would try and knock the price down!
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I got my map on the cheap for £250 quid. The guy came recommended from my stealer when I mentioned to them mapping might be an option.
Several things about it:
1. It totally transforms the car. At the start I wasn't sure I liked it because the car felt almost too fast (wheelspinning all the time) and the added torque made my girlfriend feel a bit sick lmao. Now we are completely happy with it. I don't know if I would still be able to go back to a normal GTI power output and be satisfied.
2. Fuel consumption hasnt changed a bit. Still getting good fuel when driving gently and bad when driving not so gently.
3. The map I reckon is a bit more powerful than he quoted. He said 260bhp as a minimum but a few of us now reckon its more. Still waiting for a nice RR day to get it checked.
All in all the map is quite delicious. Although ABT is a bit expensive. My recommendation would be Bluefin. A few folk seem not so happy with REVO and also Bluefin allow freedom to change the map on and off as you choose. Although I wouldnt ever take it off!
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I had Revo on my MK5 and although the extra power was great / a massive difference, I found it all came on in one lump low down the rev range. The power curves on Revo's website were consistant with this. Also it almost felt as though it was being overfulled (like your foot was still on the accelerator when you removed it on the Motorway for example). That said a lot of people are very happy with Revo so..
I like the look of the power curves on the Bluefin website. Very close match to the standard car and looks more progressive. That and the reasonable price / flexability to remove it when you like means they'll get my money next time.
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But I still think Abt is way too expensive and I would try and knock the price down!
Unfortunately the weak pound isn't helping any.
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...still no news....I am getting more eager by the day... :evil:
Most of the ABT info/links are the 260 BHP version or 300....I am "only" in for say 240 BHP.... :lipsrsealed: :wink:
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...still no news....I am getting more eager by the day... :evil:
Most of the ABT info/links are the 260 BHP version or 300....I am "only" in for say 240 BHP.... :lipsrsealed: :wink:
Why do you want to practice coitus interruptus? :grin:
If you can get 260 why settle for 240. :rolleyes:
Bah!
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Nowadays you can even go as far as 600 BHP that is not the question...
The reprogramming without "mechanical adjustments" goes as far as that....mind you this GTI is actually quick enough for me (cannot believe I said that)....meaning already an improvement over my MK V :cool:
Maybe he rings to day....I have told myself NOT to contact him in order not to ruin a coming deal.... :evil:
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Erik:
Abt your car and you'll have a better car than Froggy! :evil:
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does not matter who you visit.. revo,apr,abt, supersh!ts - 260/270hp is the max you will get with a remap alone
you want anymore than that and you will need to start upgrading intakes, exhaust and eventually turbo. Plus all the extras such as brakes,suspension so you can handle the extra power...
if ABT guarantee that your VW warranty will remain in tact then that is what you are paying the extra for and imo is worth it, but I would double check the small print as if it is anything like supersh!ts then its not worth the paper it is written on
but Erik if they have offered this to you for free then what you fannying about for get it done you wet paper bag
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Get your Abt NOW and tell us all about it.
You are so wicked keeping us in suspenders! :laugh:
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...the lease company is in the plot now since this morning......I informed them since the dealer is not informing them proper...It looks promissing but....it is a waiting game.... :smug:
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...the lease company is in the plot now since this morning......I informed them since the dealer is not informing them proper...It looks promissing but....it is a waiting game.... :smug:
I know how long all this takes. If it is not the Lease Company, then it is the Insurance Company, then it is the Car Warranty .... It goes on and on ... :rolleyes:
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.....it is a luxurious problem going from stunningly fast to incredible stunningly fast..... :cool:
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I am reading everything about remapping ...all the chiptuners etc...
Howabout one of the reactions afterwards: ....I clocked it at 5.3 sec to 60.......( a 43hp extra) :shocked:
That would make a Golf "R" driver a bit pale...... :evil:
I guess this is the forum to ask if there were any (friendly without killing :wink:) shoot-outs here....... :rolleyes:
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Howabout one of the reactions afterwards: ....I clocked it at 5.3 sec to 60.......( a 43hp extra) :shocked:
Erik: Pigs will fly! :rolleyes:
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I regretted it the moment I mailed it........but it was so much fun quoting it.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I regretted it the moment I mailed it........but it was so much fun quoting it.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
The cheek you have!
Go for Abt. I would have, but now I am going to get a tracker!
'A Golf is for life' with a thief!
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Theres no reason it would not do similar performance figures to the scirocco R. That has been tested by autocar and autoespress.
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Theres no reason it would not do similar performance figures to the scirocco R. That has been tested by autocar and autoespress.
But 5.3 secs with an extra 43 bhp? Sorry, no way.
6 secs maybe or at a push on a good day, perfect tarmac and with a following wind, possibly 5.9 secs. :rolleyes:
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Theres no reason it would not do similar performance figures to the scirocco R. That has been tested by autocar and autoespress.
But 5.3 secs with an extra 43 bhp? Sorry, no way.
6 secs maybe or at a push on a good day, perfect tarmac and with a following wind, possibly 5.9 secs. :rolleyes:
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As a guide only
Autoexpress tested figures Scirocco R DSG
0-60 5.9
30-70 4.6
30-50 3rd 2.4
50-70 5th 4.3
50-70 6th 6.3
Autocar tested figures Scirocco R manual (Greasy test conditions)
0-60 6.5
0-100 13.7
30-70 4.9
30-50 3rd 2.5
50-70 5th 4.4
50-70 6th 5.9
0-60 imo is a meaningless figure i much prefer 30-70 overtaking figures or ingear figures it takes the off the line bit out the equation and i don't do traffic light racing so thats not a factor for me.
Edit i guess i should post GTI figures for comparison.
Autocar Golf GTI tested figures
0-60 6.7
0-100 16.3
30-70 5.8
30-50 3rd ---
50-70 5th ---
50-70 6th 7.4
Autocars figures for the Audi S3
0-60 5.8
0-100 13.6
30-70 5.1
30-50 3rd ---
50-70 5th ---
50-70 6th 6.5
Autoexpresses figures for the S3 tested against the Scirocco R DSG posted above
0-60 6.5
30-70 5.8
30-50 3rd 2.8
50-70 5th 5.4
50-70 6th 7.3
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Therefore, the Scirocco R and a chipped GTi would have similar performance.
The Golf R would always be faster 0-60 due to better traction. But, as you say, 0-60 times are not as important as the other times.
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I will learn these figures ....my teacher would have been so proud that in the end I was able to memorise something of importance... :evil:
I agree with the stoplight sprints..you cannot go full tilt ...your tires will often go mad on the spot and a stupid Megane will go for it.... :smug: