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Title: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 03 April 2010, 03:30
If I took my car to vw can the know If it's been remapped?

Service manager said they carnt but still worried and unsure hope you guys can tell me
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: tom-gardiner on 03 April 2010, 04:29
why would it matter mate?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 03 April 2010, 09:59
why would it matter mate?

true as its not under warranty

just advise them when you take it in and tell them any joy riders will be terminated
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: 5miffy on 03 April 2010, 10:14
Even if it was under warrenty, hasn't the dealer got to prove scientifically that the remap has caused the failure of any parts?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 03 April 2010, 10:18
Even if it was under warrenty, hasn't the dealer got to prove scientifically that the remap has caused the failure of any parts?

yep although they will make it as difficult as possible

if its non engine related warranty then it should be a piece of cake

All of this is irrelevant on a MK4 though  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 03 April 2010, 14:19
I have 1 years warranty and clutch is slipping but it was slipping slightly before map
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Steve_PD on 03 April 2010, 14:46
Clutch will not be covered by the warranty, its classed as a wear and tear item
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Adam on 03 April 2010, 14:52
Clutch will not be covered by the warranty, its classed as a wear and tear item

+1
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 03 April 2010, 15:05
unfortunately as steve & adam have said 'wear and tear'  :sad:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 03 April 2010, 19:35
great looks like no new clutch for me  :cry:

where is the cheapest place to get a sachs uprated clutch can only find them for 1200+ was hoping to get one for 300-500 and fit myself
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Steve_PD on 03 April 2010, 19:39
you wont get one for under £550 might even be well over £600 now
Id get a standard clutch
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 03 April 2010, 19:45
wheres best place for that? i have looked on euro carparts and they list 2 different brands and i was tolf i need to see what brand my fly wheel is first before i can order a clutch as i have to match the brands up was told this by a local garage is this true?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Steve_PD on 03 April 2010, 19:56
I believe it is true, could replace the flywheel as well
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: 5miffy on 03 April 2010, 20:02
What car is it? I'd go G60/Vr6 option!
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Adam on 03 April 2010, 20:12
I replaced mine with a race clutch not long ago for just over £600 at R-Tech.
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 03 April 2010, 20:14
r-tech is 785 now

i have a tdi so g60vr6 wont work
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: james2 on 03 April 2010, 21:11
i can get a clutch fitted for £150 but i have to supply the clutch ,not sure how much they are ,i will find out one day as my car has done 96000 mile and has never had the clutch done ... :embarassed:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 03 April 2010, 22:22
I've got a Sachs clutch and an LUK flywheel.  Done 30K so far.........
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 03 April 2010, 22:27
r-tech is 785 now

i have a tdi so g60vr6 wont work

5 or 6 speed?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 03 April 2010, 22:28
r-tech is 785 now

i have a tdi so g60vr6 wont work

5 or 6 speed?

6 speed hence why it won't work
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Steve_PD on 03 April 2010, 23:43
I've got a Sachs clutch and an LUK flywheel.  Done 30K so far.........

an upgraded sachs clutch :wink:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 04 April 2010, 15:49
I've got a Sachs clutch and an LUK flywheel.  Done 30K so far.........

an upgraded sachs clutch :wink:

indeed but I've still mixed and matched different brands so can't see why people say to fit the same brand clutch and flywheel  :undecided:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 04 April 2010, 16:07
Vwspares only lists the sachs one for my car so thinking that's the right one?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 04 April 2010, 16:10
Vwspares only lists the sachs one for my car so thinking that's the right one?

LUK, Sachs etc etc are pretty much the same though I'd go with a Sachs clutch

Make sure you adopt your driving style to accomodate the new power otherwise you'll be forking out for a new clutch within a few months!
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 04 April 2010, 17:05
just found this so looks like clutch is covered http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/warranty/used-car/3-years-plus
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 04 April 2010, 17:11
Vwspares only lists the sachs one for my car so thinking that's the right one?

LUK, Sachs etc etc are pretty much the same though I'd go with a Sachs clutch

Make sure you adopt your driving style to accomodate the new power otherwise you'll be forking out for a new clutch within a few months!
if i get standard clutch will only be having it for 6-8 months enought time to get uprated one
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Steve_PD on 04 April 2010, 18:04
I've got a Sachs clutch and an LUK flywheel.  Done 30K so far.........

an upgraded sachs clutch :wink:

indeed but I've still mixed and matched different brands so can't see why people say to fit the same brand clutch and flywheel  :undecided:

didnt you have a flywheel sent to you which didnt fit :undecided: keith watkins told me you have to get the correct clutch to match the flywheel

Vwspares only lists the sachs one for my car so thinking that's the right one?

LUK, Sachs etc etc are pretty much the same though I'd go with a Sachs clutch

Make sure you adopt your driving style to accomodate the new power otherwise you'll be forking out for a new clutch within a few months!
if i get standard clutch will only be having it for 6-8 months enought time to get uprated one

I dont see the point in fitting a new clutch then swapping it for a upgraded one a few months if the new one is fine. new standard clutch will handle the power fine but it may not last as long as a upgraded one.
when my clutch goes Ill be swapping it for a standard one. my original clutch has done 120k, 40k with a remap and 80k without
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 04 April 2010, 18:20
well hopefully in 6-8 months i will maybe be going for something a little special so will need a better clutch but for now will try to get it done under warranty
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Steve_PD on 04 April 2010, 18:22
if its anything to do with a hybrid turbo dont bother save your cash....... :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 04 April 2010, 18:27
not hybrid turbo. 

what amount of torgue can a standard clutch take?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 04 April 2010, 19:32
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.9_2004/p/Car-Parts/Transmission/Clutch-and-Associated-Parts/Clutch-kits/?641441611&1&29ba3d3ebc8bd0884d2cf7f5cf89aa65f9770044&CLUK 

just seens this this is a bit cheap but would it do?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 04 April 2010, 23:27
I've got a Sachs clutch and an LUK flywheel.  Done 30K so far.........

an upgraded sachs clutch :wink:

indeed but I've still mixed and matched different brands so can't see why people say to fit the same brand clutch and flywheel  :undecided:

didnt you have a flywheel sent to you which didnt fit :undecided: keith watkins told me you have to get the correct clutch to match the flywheel


that was an epic fail on behalf of buypartsbuy.co.uk who I would never purchase from ever again  :angry: :angry:  Garage I used for the fitting sourced me an LUK one locally

A flywheel is a flywheel regardless of manufacture - bit like an oil filter - they all do the same job
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bundy on 04 April 2010, 23:38
so is it a must to replace the flywheel when doing the clutch?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Wazzzer on 04 April 2010, 23:38
if its anything to do with a hybrid turbo dont bother save your cash....... :lipsrsealed:

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 04 April 2010, 23:44
so is it a must to replace the flywheel when doing the clutch?

not a must as it depends on the condition of it but to be honest its worth doing whilst you got everything apart as you'll have to fork out for labour again should it go soon after

Its also a false economy fitting a standard clutch if you're planning to upgrade in a few months time
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 05 April 2010, 03:29
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.9_2004/p/Car-Parts/Transmission/Clutch-and-Associated-Parts/Clutch-kits/?641441611&1&29ba3d3ebc8bd0884d2cf7f5cf89aa65f9770044&CLUK 

just seens this this is a bit cheap but would it do?
is this one ok  or not as its so cheap?

also could me having my breaks bled wrong cuase a lack of fluid or in the the clutch system ? prob a stupid question  but hey dont ask you dont know
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 05 April 2010, 18:24
bump
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: The Dave on 06 April 2010, 00:07
Don't put transmech sh!te in your car dude, google it.

I've had a single mass flywheel and clutch conversion done on mine recently... now it's bedded in it's ok but it aint as nice as a dual mass setup IMO.

I was gonna get the transmech kit for like 150 quid but heard many bad things when I looked into it. Transmech in general seem crap, clutch failures on loads of cars not just VW.

Ended up with a Valeo kit in the end for 218 from euro car parts, cost £310 all in fitted with labour etc.
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 10:10
what amount of torque can the standard clutch take????
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 10:13
what amount of torque can the standard clutch take????

285lbs ft torque or thereabouts

Basically it will cope but it will wear out far quicker so instead of say 60K miles you'll probably only get 30-40K but again a lot of it depends on your driving style

Planting your foot whilst in 5th gear at 40mph will do it no favours at all
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 10:21
going to sound daft here but why is that if you plant you foot in 5th at 40mph the car will struggle so not much torque just not enought revs? please educate me
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 10:40
going to sound daft here but why is that if you plant you foot in 5th at 40mph the car will struggle so not much torque just not enought revs? please educate me

Exactly - you haven't got enough revs so you put strain on the engine, clutch , gearbox etc as you are in effect overloading everything by requesting full power at low RPM.

Don't forget prior to the remap the car was producing far less torque at lower RPM's so you could sort of get away with it although it still doesn't do the transmission any favours

Basically only plant your foot down in any gear from approx 1800rpm to increase the lifespan of your clutch and also when driving up hill be in one gear higher than you normally would be prior to the remap
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 10:48
right i get it. so if i was in fourth going up hill i should put it in 5th now?

i used to drive round keeping the revs low for fuel comsuption but maybe thats whats done my cltch going 30 in 4th maybe not good idea
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 10:53
right i get it. so if i was in fourth going up hill i should put it in 5th now?

i used to drive round keeping the revs low for fuel comsuption but maybe thats whats done my cltch going 30 in 4th maybe not good idea

other way around - 4th should be 3rd gear but it all depends on the conditions, speed of the road, steepness of the hill etc

What works for me might not work for you but the key is not to stress the engine.  Be in the right gear at the right speed for the conditions

It's basic driving 101 and is what you learn when being taught to drive (I Hope!)

30mph in 4th is perfectly fine as long as the road is flat or downhill but if you then want to accelerate I'd change down a gear or only apply a light throttle until you're doing 40mph before pinning your foot to the floor
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 11:03
when being taught to drive  :laugh: i taught myself lol

question for you rhyso when i brake lately my wheels seem to tighten up throught the steering and the move side to side slightly. hope you get what am saying if not will try to explain in great detail
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 11:07
when being taught to drive  :laugh: i taught myself lol

question for you rhyso when i brake lately my wheels seem to tighten up throught the steering and the move side to side slightly. hope you get what am saying if not will try to explain in great detail

Not up to speed on brakes mate - sounds like the car is following the camber of the road  :undecided:

It doesn't brake in a straight line? Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 11:15
when i brake i feel through the steering the car twitch side to side and this is only braking at around 30. just read on another page it could be warped disks but i have only had the disks on for a few weeks. its only just started to happen never happen when first put calipers on but now they have been bled 99% right could it be they are just bedded in and are braking very good and thats whats causing the feel?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 11:20
when i brake i feel through the steering the car twitch side to side and this is only braking at around 30. just read on another page it could be warped disks but i have only had the disks on for a few weeks. its only just started to happen never happen when first put calipers on but now they have been bled 99% right could it be they are just bedded in and are braking very good and thats whats causing the feel?

not sure - never driven a Golf with Porsche brakes fitted

to me its possible your tracking could be out or the car is just following the camber of the road  :undecided:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 11:33
ok cheers for help will get tracking checked and try different roads.

just seen you thread and you fitted recaro seats are they a lot better than standard seats or is the difference just the name stiched on?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 11:51
ok cheers for help will get tracking checked and try different roads.

just seen you thread and you fitted recaro seats are they a lot better than standard seats or is the difference just the name stiched on?

Night and day difference!  Recaro's are SOOO much better  :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 12:58
are they more cushioned on the side as am a big lad 20st but not fat i might just point out and the side bits of the seats dig in my thighs?


also got update on clutch from vw anyone like to know the outcome? :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 13:08
are they more cushioned on the side as am a big lad 20st but not fat i might just point out and the side bits of the seats dig in my thighs?


also got update on clutch from vw anyone like to know the outcome? :grin: :wink:

they have better lower back support which is also adjustable :afro:

I reckon you're a jammy f**k*r and will be having a new clutch fitted for nowt  :tongue:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 13:09
not that far off :grin:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 13:10
not that far off :grin:

go on then - whats the score?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 13:17
they said becase its only just started to slip and its not that badly worn they wont replace for free.

so i convinced them to fit a new clutch for free and realse bearing and i pay for parts which totalled 250 i said i can get cheaper for same parts and i was not happy.

guy came back with 140 all in fully fitted bargain

think thats pretty good dont you
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 13:46
not a bad result at all :afro:

Get them to check the condition of the flywheel though as its only a few bolts holding that in
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 14:11
could that be badly worn then? thought they where pretty tough?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 14:16
could that be badly worn then? thought they where pretty tough?

dual mass flywheels are one of the worst inventions after the MAF

When VW first started using them there were no end of early failures  :sad:

They are designed to reduce cabin noise and vibration which they do very well up until the point they start breaking apart and become noisey and rattly  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 14:26
could that be the cause of the vibration i have through the pedals and steering/dash board when i boot it?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 14:33
could that be the cause of the vibration i have through the pedals and steering/dash board when i boot it?

could be a number of things but its most likely one of them

other things include engine mounts, suspension bushes etc etc
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 14:43
just spoke to them and they said it was part of there inspection and all looks fine to them but then again they are vw techs
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 16:51
got car back and wow what a difference its so smooth now since i had the car the change into first has always been juppy but now its so smooth time to start saving fo uprated clutch now
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 16:54
Result :afro:

Now to find some unsuspecting fast lane hoggers and chavs  :evil:
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 08 April 2010, 17:05
does it need bedding in before i put foot down or are clutchs ready to go?
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: Rhyso on 08 April 2010, 20:21
does it need bedding in before i put foot down or are clutchs ready to go?

bed it in for around 200 miles before unleashing the power
Title: Re: Can they tell
Post by: bobreece on 09 April 2010, 02:21
great missed your last post m8 went training then straight to work then deciced as the little streatch of motor way is empty to see what she has not and i like it very pokie. so i have given it a blast will this has messed things up? will take it easy till rr at r-tech on 29th to see exactaly what am putting out should hope fully make 200bhp

sorry for spelling mistakes been up 36hrs straight carnt sleep whats going on lol :laugh: :sick: :shocked: :cry: