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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Casabian on 31 March 2010, 23:57
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My car has developed a chattering noise, like a rattle infact from the rear of the car which seems to be coming from the exhaust system. I've had it at the garage and there trying to say it's normal but I'm not convinced. It happens between 2200 and 3000 revs in any gear. It doesn't do it when stationary and revving. The mechanic said it might be something to do with the waste gate. He got this info from the VW bullitin board so it must be a past reported problem. Can anyone confirm this sound should be there or not before I raise hell. It is very obvious to a trained ear and any feedback would be appreciated
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My car has developed a chattering noise, like a rattle infact from the rear of the car which seems to be coming from the exhaust system. I've had it at the garage and there trying to say it's normal but I'm not convinced. It happens between 2200 and 3000 revs in any gear. It doesn't do it when stationary and revving. The mechanic said it might be something to do with the waste gate. He got this info from the VW bullitin board so it must be a past reported problem. Can anyone confirm this sound should be there or not before I raise hell. It is very obvious to a trained ear and any feedback would be appreciated
No chattering sound from mine.
Could it be something else?
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Can you hear it from outside the car if someone were to hold the revs at the point it does it? Could be a loose heat shield or a baffle gone in the exhaust system resonating at those revs. Best to do some further investigation yourself to see if you can pinpoint it
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Ive had two mark 6 GTIs and they have both done this. It also happens on the Scirocco and if you go on their forums it's a common complaint. If it's any consolation this noise got quieter as the miles went on and could hardly hear it after 4k when I rejected the car (different issue).
The dealer's demo car made the same noise....
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official VW TSB was :
VW have issued guidance on this noise as follows...
Technical product information Transaction No.: 2021062/1
Rattling noises from engine/exhaust system Release date: 10-Jul-2009
Customer statement / workshop findings
Rattling or jarring noise from the engine compartment / exhaust system when accelerating between 2400 and 3000 rpm .
Technical background
Waste gate adjustment rod of the turbo charger rattles when accelerating.
Production change
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Do not repair, the noises are construction-related and normal. There is no parts damage.
Warranty accounting instructions
This is no fault in the sense of warranty.
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Waste gate adjustment rod of the turbo charger rattles when accelerating.
Production change
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Measure
Do not repair, the noises are construction-related and normal. There is no parts damage.
Warranty accounting instructions
This is no fault in the sense of warranty.
So according to VW it's okay for a premium-priced car to rattle due to their inadequate design and testing. Yet it warrants a change in production to prevent it in future? Load of b*ll*cks - they should provide a fix for it.
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Thanks guys. Again you have been helpful as always. The noise is slightly annoying. Not so much in the first 4 gears coz before you know it your above the 3000 revs when it happens but once you get through them and into 5th and 6th you are in this rev bracket where it is almost a constant noise when acceleratig through a corner say or braking and pulling back up to speed etc. Seems very strange to be a recognised problem but do nothing about it to fix
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I vaguely noticed this sound today while having a spirited drive. My car is 4 days old with 500km on the clock. Sound like a heat shield is loost but have read about the waste gate vibrating and this seems to be "normal". I get it when accelerating between 2000-3000 rpm.
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I noticed something similar today too. It sounded like a resonance of something a baffle maybe but reading this i wonder. but mine should have had the design change :undecided:
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What I do have is a rattle when my engine is idling. It sounds like a diesel. Is this normal?
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What I do have is a rattle when my engine is idling. It sounds like a diesel. Is this normal?
I don't have that issue.
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What I do have is a rattle when my engine is idling. It sounds like a diesel. Is this normal?
I don't have that issue.
I'll pop into my dealership at some stage in a week or two for them to have a listen. Maybe, after a silky smooth Honda Type R engine, this one sounds a bit agricultural on idle.
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What I do have is a rattle when my engine is idling. It sounds like a diesel. Is this normal?
Depends what type of rattle. thump thump = its the gas canister so ok. Knock knock = not fine. tick tick normal. Deisel like start up noise is normal as its a high compression forced induction motor.
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I found two links with the sound. It's a raspy sound when accelerating between 2400 and 3000 rpm. After 3000 rpm the sound goes away. Can someone say if this is normal?
http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/mirsad99/?action=view¤t=GTI-1.flv (http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/mirsad99/?action=view¤t=GTI-1.flv)
http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/mirsad99/?action=view¤t=GTI-2.flv (http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/mirsad99/?action=view¤t=GTI-2.flv)
Thanks to Mirsad who made the capture.
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Thats the very noise. Great vids so thank you. I had a go of another GTI on day at the garage and it was alot worse than mine. Mine has actually started to dull down. I am predicting a recall due to this noise because at the moment VW say there is no fix or problem but lets be honest it isn't a normal noise and it seems to be a regular thing getting. Wait and see.
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Is there really no one else who has this vague "shshshsh"-metallic wastegate sound when accelerating between 2400-3000 rpm? I don't know if I should bring it to the dealer or if it's normal for the GTI.
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I've been tracking this issue online for months now as I have this wastegate rattle in my GTI. I took it to my dealer and received the same response as everyone else.
Through this forum and others in the US and Oz we might be able to collect hundreds of us together and directly petition VW for the recall (apparently it can affect all 2.0TSI engines)
As you can see I'm new to this forum, does anyone know how we could get a permanent thread on the homepage to collect names?
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how many miles have you got on your GTI ?....On both my mk 6 GTIs, that noise started to quieten down a bit after 3k miles...at the moment I hardly notice it anymore. Although that may be partly down to getting used to it.
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how many miles have you got on your GTI ?....On both my mk 6 GTIs, that noise started to quieten down a bit after 3k miles...at the moment I hardly notice it anymore. Although that may be partly down to getting used to it.
I just broke 1k miles. We'll see if it gets better but I doubt it. I think I'm starting to get used to it though. :P
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I've done 5,600 miles and still as bad as ever. If you google 'TSi wastegate rattle' you'll find it happens on this engine in lots of VW group cars including Skodas, Sciroccos, Tourans etc. I reckon if we could pull together all those people into one petition we could get VW to consider a recall...no idea who has the time to do that kind of thing though.
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I have the same issue. Done about 6000 miles now, but still the same annoying sound at certain revs :undecided:
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Mine does this on its stage 2 Remap . :huh: (Ed30), i dont get the chattering sound, but i do get the shshshsh noise though.
Edit........... Just listened to the 2nd video at thats more noticeable. :shocked:
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Mine does this on its stage 2 Remap . :huh: (Ed30), i dont get the chattering sound, but i do get the shshshsh noise though.
Edit........... Just listened to the 2nd video at thats more noticeable. :shocked:
Mine is the shshshshsh sound as well. I sometimes get it at 2300-3000 rpm. I'm steadily increasing the rpm and pushed it to 5000 rpm for the first time today. What an awesome sound it makes after 4000rpm. Quite addicting and the opposite of the shshsh-sound. :)
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Seems like VW has found a solution to this issue that I found on the internet. It's an easy fix with a small clip that goes on the wastegate rod. I've already ordered mine from my local dealer and they easily found the part on their database.
OEM part number: 06J-145-220-A / 06J145220A
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkkIEMm3UQ
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Good luck with that mines been on back order for months now due to demand.
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I had an update on this a couple of weeks ago as i'm waiting too, according to my local dealership the next "release" of that part is 4th December! :sick:
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I had an update on this a couple of weeks ago as i'm waiting too, according to my local dealership the next "release" of that part is 4th December! :sick:
Is this done under warranty or do you have to pay for it?
Jim
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It's covered by the warranty mate.
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It's covered by the warranty mate.
Superb, I have the very same issue! I'll get them to look at it next month when I take the car in for a service. Whilst their there they can look at the knocking noise coming from underneath the drivers seat!
Jim
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My MK6 1.4 also has a similar annoying noise, it happens at the exact same RPM's as stated, around 2000-3000RPM, ive had it at the garage twice, first time they couldnt hear it, second time they replaced the "exhaust hose flexi" or something, its in for its 3rd service soon so i think i might bring it up with them again and get it sorted before my warranty runs out :)
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It's covered by the warranty mate.
only if they can hear it and it goes away when they put a weight on the rod.
Im sure i posted the TPI report somewere on here.
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Good luck with that mines been on back order for months now due to demand.
Just got a word from my dealer that the clip is on it's way from germany. My car is booked for next friday. :) Maybe you should have a word with your dealer and tell them to hurry up.
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Got the clip installed today and gave it a nice test drive. Almost got booked for speeding as well. Luckily there was a slow tractor and some traffic on the opposite side just before I saw a policeman with a laser speed gun... :laugh: I also met a great mechanic that convinced the stupid service desk guy that this was a TSB from Volkswagen and that I didn't have to pay anything. He's also german and so from now he's the only one that gets to touch my car at the dealers. :P
The clip works great. No more chattering what so ever. Tbh I got used to the very mild chattering but after trying the car without that noise it's like a different car. I can hear the low end grunt a lot better and it just gave me a better feeling. I like this car even more and it feels solid. This chattering was the only thing that really bothered me.
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Thats great news mate! :cool: now i'm really looking forward to getting mine sorted! :angry:
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Ok my dealer have come back and said that part number 06J-145-220-A / 06J145220A does not fit my 'engine' its for 2011 GTI's!!! WTF?
Does anyone have the offical VW TPI report for me to show them please?
Cheers,
Jim
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Mine is a 2010 GTI and the 06J145220A clip fits just fine. My dealer fitted it without question.
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According to the TPS there was a modification done at the factory mid/late 2010 to fix this rattle on future versions off the production line.
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Which clearly didn't work, case in point Wills new GTI :sad:
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According to the TPS there was a modification done at the factory mid/late 2010 to fix this rattle on future versions off the production line.
Hi mate,do you have details for me to show the dealer what they need to read please mate?
Jim
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Sorry have not had time to scan the 9 pages or so of the TPI if you search on the net using the part number for the clip i know its out there.
heres the one from OZ i found with a quick search with google.
Technical product information Transaction No.: 2021062/6
Engine: rattling noises from engine/exhaust system Release date: 21-Jul-2011
Customer statement / workshop findings
Customer statement:
• Rattling noises from engine/exhaust system
Workshop findings:
• Rattling or jarring noise from the area engine compartment / exhaust system occurs between 1800 and 2900 rpm.
Technical background
Because of exhaust gas pulsations the flap and rods of the wastegate vibrate at the start of the boost air control, which causes rattling or jarring noises.
Production change
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Fit a spring clip on the wastegate adjustment
On vehicles with front-wheel drive:
• Remove the noise damping according to the repair manual.
• Remove the drive shaft protection according to the repair manual.
On vehicles with 4 Motion drive:
• Remove the propshaft heat shield according to the repair manual.
Fit the spring clip (illustration 1) with the part number: 06J 145 220 A on the wastegate adjustment (illustration 2):
Observe the following points when fitting the spring clip:
• The spring clip must not be overstretched. The maximum opening of the spring clip is 14 mm. In illustration 3, No. 1 (red arrow) the opening is about 10.5 mm.
The spring clip must be replaced after every removal.
• After fitting the spring clip the correct fit (illustration 4 and 5) must be checked.
• After fitting the spring clip the position of the circlip must be checked (illustration 3, No. 2 - red ellipse) and if necessary corrected.
Vehicles with front-wheel drive:
• Attach the spring clip from the side (illustration 6) and turn it to the left till the lugs click in (illustration 7).
Vehicles with 4 Motion drive:
• Reach through from rear and place spring clip (illustration .
On vehicles with 4 Motion drive:
• Fit the propshaft heat shield according to the repair manual.
On vehicles with front-wheel drive:
• Fit the crankshaft protection according to the repair manual.
• Fit the noise damping according to the repair manual.
Warranty accounting instructionsParts information
06J 145 220 A
Spring clip
Previous descusion about it
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=204278.0
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Thanks mate, this is very helpful
Jim
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I had an update on this a couple of weeks ago as i'm waiting too, according to my local dealership the next "release" of that part is 4th December! :sick:
Mine has just arrived at the dealer and they left a message for me to book the car in for it to be fitted. Slight issue....... I have put the car in storage over the winter till mid march (when its due its service and back on the road). Hum :undecided:
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I had an update on this a couple of weeks ago as i'm waiting too, according to my local dealership the next "release" of that part is 4th December! :sick:
Mine has just arrived at the dealer and they left a message for me to book the car in for it to be fitted. Slight issue....... I have put the car in storage over the winter till mid march (when its due its service and back on the road). Hum :undecided:
They can do mine as my dealer hasnt figured out how to do it yet!!!!!!!!!
Jim
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When i collected mine they showed me the idiot guide they got from VW but apparently the tech said it was an easy fix! :grin:
Muppets!!!!
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When i collected mine they showed me the idiot guide they got from VW but apparently the tech said it was an easy fix! :grin:
Muppets!!!!
Yeah they are getting their 'Master Technician' to look into it for me!!!
I told them you go to YouTube and find the answer there....
I'm still waiting for them to call me back....
Jim
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Got mine back from the dealer today. They've fixed this issue and a rattling door lock. They're always so polite where i go!
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Had mine done today, noise has not completely gone but it is much much better ! :smiley:
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Had mine done today, noise has not completely gone but it is much much better ! :smiley:
Thanks guys, got mine done on Monday. The sound has completely gone now.
Thanks again for the advice.
Jim
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Right so I have this rattle from the waste gate rod, just spoken to dealer who was suitably vague as expected.
Given them the part no. and asked them to investigate......
Will update once heard back from them.
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This was discussed some time ago.I approached my dealer who also had not heard of this problem.I showed the service guy the thread from this forum and he ordered the part there and then.It was fitted a week later problem sorted.
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Anyone experienced this on their 35? I haven't noticed it but just wondering if its something I need to look for?
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Anyone experienced this on their 35? I haven't noticed it but just wondering if its something I need to look for?
Stop looking for problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol :rolleyes:
No shouldn't affect 35....
I had this on mine and it was a simple fix by the dealers...... The biggest problem was convincing them that it wasn't normal in the first place....
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LOL. nice one!
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Well no call back so I guess they're scratching their arses over it...will let them chew on it until Monday :rolleyes:
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Well I have got no where with the dealership.... :rolleyes:
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Well I have got no where with the dealership.... :rolleyes:
Seriously? What a bunch of tossers.
It's a clip. It clips on. Nice easy fix. :shocked:
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They have spoken with VW Uk and confirmed its a non recoverable cost for their dealership so can't make a warranty claim for me.
It's a small local dealership I use and to date they have been great, but following on from this all follow up servicing will now find a new home.
Going to bite the bullet and just buy the clip and fit myself and be done with it.
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It's easy to do and I would rather DIY it than risk a dealer screwup anyway for the cost of it.
The time wasted in dealer trips is not worth it.
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Agreed, it was the principle of it tbh but I give in and cba with the hassle anymore.
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There is a number that means something, not sure what! But when I gave it to the dealer they knew exactly what they needed to do and they ordered the part and fitted it within a week.
Jim
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Part price £15.22, and my mate has a two post lift so I'll DIY it.
Costly mistake by my dealer as its a 10 min job and cheap part to maintain customer relations...
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Sorry to bump this old thread but I need a waste gate clip myself now. Can someone suggest a UK seller for this? I've had no luck finding one with the part number.
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Part price £15.22, and my mate has a two post lift so I'll DIY it.
Costly mistake by my dealer as its a 10 min job and cheap part to maintain customer relations...
Can you tell me where you got the clip Raffe?
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This is an old thread but I'm posting to say I have just ordered one of these no problem from VW. £17. Lets hope it fixes my cccchattering. :laugh:
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Clip installed today. Chattering still there sadly. It's maybe 50% quieter than it was, but definitely appears just as often :cry:
The search continues.
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Clip installed today. Chattering still there sadly. It's maybe 50% quieter than it was, but definitely appears just as often :cry:
The search continues.
Have you got underneath car and tap the all of the heat shield with your fingers, one loose bit can can the same kind of rattling noise,