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Title: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Devilz on 27 February 2010, 17:17
I was driving back to home today and all of sudden got warning on Oil Press - Stop Motor, this message disappeared in like 2 seconds. Checked oil level, which is alright, what can be the cause of it  :undecided:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: T_J_G on 27 February 2010, 17:19
Blocked sump strainer?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Wazzzer on 27 February 2010, 17:36
either that or the pressure switch is on it's way out
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 27 February 2010, 19:13
is it alright to drive like this even though engine oil is alright
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: gti_shaun on 27 February 2010, 19:19
its difficult to say if its ok to drive it as i cant see or here the engine running, if you had low oil pressure you would have tapping noises as the oil fed tappets would be starved of oil, so if there is non of this i think it would be fine, but you need it checked out ASAP none the less!
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 27 February 2010, 19:31
Car is running abosoultely fine, no noise or anything. Problem is its sunday tomorrow so have to wait till monday to get it checked
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Post by: richw911 on 27 February 2010, 19:57
is it alright to drive like this even though engine oil is alright

I wouldnt!! Get the strainer checked as said  :smiley:
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Post by: Wazzzer on 27 February 2010, 20:01
buggered if I'd drive it  :huh:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: GOLF_STU on 27 February 2010, 20:48
is it alright to drive like this even though engine oil is alright

I wouldnt!! Get the strainer checked as said  :smiley:

definatly.....for the price of the strainer and an oil change it isn't worth it  :smiley:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 27 February 2010, 22:34
is it alright to drive like this even though engine oil is alright

I wouldnt!! Get the strainer checked as said  :smiley:

definatly.....for the price of the strainer and an oil change it isn't worth it  :smiley:

what is strainer, is it oil sump plug? Now tomorrow is sunday so can't get these and must go to uni on monday, i'm stuck now must sort this tomorrow

to be on safer side, not driving car atm

I am left with only option to go to halfrauds to get engine oil  :sad:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: GOLF_STU on 27 February 2010, 22:44

what is strainer, is it oil sump plug? Now tomorrow is sunday so can't get these and must go to uni on monday, i'm stuck now must sort this tomorrow

to be on safer side, not driving car atm

I am left with only option to go to halfrauds to get engine oil  :sad:

unfortunatly it means removing the sump as its the pick up for the oil pump. but please dont drive it untill you definatly know or instead of it costing you £40-£50 it could be £1000+
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: richw911 on 27 February 2010, 22:48
I know yours wont be like this but there are Some pics here: http://members.cox.net/ambox/audi_sludge/
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 27 February 2010, 23:04
I will check the oil cap tomorrow in morning, hope its not the problem. touch wood

but what if its all black  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: walchy01 on 28 February 2010, 11:01
I had the same problem last month, STOP light on Oil etc etc.... i was concerned that i had bought a duf one  :sick: Looked all over for the problem, ended up running it into the  main dealers to get it sorted, it was a simple switch/connector that had come loose/off and was showing there was a problem.

As i said i looked all over and couldnt see any loose wires/plugs/connectors etc but i am no expert.

Cost me £48, but it put my mind at rest that i wasn't gunna sieze the engine whilst still driving it. :laugh:
Thanks
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 28 February 2010, 12:50
what can be the possiblilities for oil sump crack, besides hitting road bump which I didn't
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 28 February 2010, 15:36
Is there anyway to check if sump is cracked besides jacking the car???
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: GOLF_STU on 28 February 2010, 18:05
Is there anyway to check if sump is cracked besides jacking the car???

if its cracked you'l have oil dripping
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 28 February 2010, 18:49
I checked oil strip and it was dry  :lipsrsealed:

Didn't started my car since then, hoping no oil cream as I couldn't open oil cap. It was for some reason very tight  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: mac456 on 28 February 2010, 19:17
so your saying there is no oil in your engine?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 28 February 2010, 23:25
so your saying there is no oil in your engine?


if strip is dry, there is no other reason  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: mac456 on 01 March 2010, 08:09
oops, best get a new sump on there then and fingers crossed you aint done any damage, is there a big puddle under your car now?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Devilz on 01 March 2010, 14:45
Just came back from garage, bad news. turbo seals are gone  :cry:

I recently did KO3S upgrade in end of january and now its gone. Luckily I kept KO3 which we are going to fit now. Is it alright to run KO3 on custom remap which was initially done for ko3s. Also can ko3s seals can be replaced so i can use it again or i'm better off looking for it again  :shocked: :shocked:

need urgent help
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: Rhyso on 01 March 2010, 14:51
Just came back from garage, bad news. turbo seals are gone  :cry:

I recently did KO3S upgrade in end of january and now its gone. Luckily I kept KO3 which we are going to fit now. Is it alright to run KO3 on custom remap which was initially done for ko3s. Also can ko3s seals can be replaced so i can use it again or i'm better off looking for it again  :shocked: :shocked:

need urgent help

Ouch!!  :shocked: :shocked:

If you were going fro a KO3 to a KO3s I'd say you'd be ok but the KO3s flows more air and will have higher demands so running a KO3s map on a KO3 would NOT be a good idea IMO

Give Nick @ R-Tech a ring for his advice to be 100% sure  :smiley:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: golf-sib on 01 March 2010, 14:52
Just came back from garage, bad news. turbo seals are gone  :cry:

I recently did KO3S upgrade in end of january and now its gone. Luckily I kept KO3 which we are going to fit now. Is it alright to run KO3 on custom remap which was initially done for ko3s. Also can ko3s seals can be replaced so i can use it again or i'm better off looking for it again  :shocked: :shocked:

need urgent help

Turbosdynamics do a  rebuild which includes seals etc... for £195, I discussed alot of options in terms of rebuild here:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=144761.new;topicseen

Best bet is give turbo dynamics a call. As for ko3s map on ko3, I'd imagine the extra strain won't be any good, but i'm no expert....
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Devilz on 01 March 2010, 14:52
thats what i'm doing but number is busy atm, can you tell if seals can be repaired/replaced or its not good idea??
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Rhyso on 01 March 2010, 14:58
did you emit a huge plume of white smoke when this happened as thats normally a sign that the turbo has let go  :undecided:

Also if you're swapping back you'll most likely need the exhaust and intercooler cleaned out as the oil has to go somewhere..........
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Devilz on 01 March 2010, 15:03
Just spoke to Chris @ R-Tech, running ko3 on ko3s is fine if i don't boot the car everywhere.

No white smoke or anything, what i'll do is drive to R-Tech as soon as I can get some time off from work and get the map sorted for ko3 and get second opinion about ko3s seals. Also sump was absolutely fine. Any other reason for oil leakage?? Oil is not leaking massively from seals, its like drop after drop of oil
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: golf-sib on 01 March 2010, 15:07
How does the garage know the seals are gone? As the turbo seals are not 100% tight so oil will still seep through them, also using thinner oils will cause more penetration through the seal, which can cause a small amount ouf oil to build up by the IC which is natural. Best way to see if turbo is really gone is by monitoring your engine oil, as oil consumption will be high.

The seals can easily be replaced regardless in what state they are in, but when you get a rebuild done they do multiple things to the turbo and not just the seals.
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Rhyso on 01 March 2010, 15:08
Just spoke to Chris @ R-Tech, running ko3 on ko3s is fine if i don't boot the car everywhere.

No white smoke or anything, what i'll do is drive to R-Tech as soon as I can get some time off from work and get the map sorted for ko3 and get second opinion about ko3s seals. Also sump was absolutely fine. Any other reason for oil leakage??


Ah cool at least thats one less issue.

Strange you had absolutely no warning signs of it going though  :undecided:  thats one bit I cannot understand.

How did it drive up until that point?  Did you still have full power?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Devilz on 01 March 2010, 15:16
Yeah mate, no power loss. I was on my way back from work and it gave this warning "Oil Press - Stop Motor" so I pulled over and turned the engine off. Checked oil strip, and oil level was little low than normal. Looked under the car and couldn't see any oil dripping. Started car after 15 minutes and drove home - I was only 1 mile away from home, didn't started car all day yesterday and checked oil strip again in afternoon and it was completely dry  :shocked: It rained all day yesterday so couldn't see oil under the car. Topped the oil again today in morning and started car to check, no smoke or no noise. Took my car to garage which is like 2-3 miles from my house, put car on ramp to see whats happening. I was expecting it might be sump but that was ok and then they gave me bad news about turbo  :cry:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor
Post by: RTechUK on 01 March 2010, 15:22
Just came back from garage, bad news. turbo seals are gone  :cry:

I recently did KO3S upgrade in end of january and now its gone. Luckily I kept KO3 which we are going to fit now. Is it alright to run KO3 on custom remap which was initially done for ko3s. Also can ko3s seals can be replaced so i can use it again or i'm better off looking for it again  :shocked: :shocked:

need urgent help

Hello m8,,
Get the car to us some how m8,  During the rolling road day before you even had that turbo fitted you got the the oil error up,  I cannot see it beiong the turbo seals, get the car to me and I will save you a wad load of money and time, are you in the AA?

Nick
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: golf-sib on 01 March 2010, 15:24
Yea sounds like the turbo seals in away, but oil consumption seems to high :undecided: at least a rebuild is more economical than a new turbo, plus you can get 360 degree or roller bearing, lighter shaft etc... if you got spare cash to make that k03s abit more special, but that depends how deep your pockets are.
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Devilz on 01 March 2010, 15:24
I am with Greenflag, another problem is I got work tomorrow. Even if i somehow made it to you, will you be able to sort it today???
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: AaronGS on 01 March 2010, 20:33
I had similar the other day. But i had oil leaking over the road. Turned out the turbo oil return pipe had worked loose. Different turbo mind. Other symptoms were the same. Awesome sorted it out pronto for me.
Sounds like very good service offered from R Tech (once again).
Fingers crossed dude.
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Bad news Pg 3***
Post by: Devilz on 03 March 2010, 19:50
can anyone tell by looking on these pics, if turbo seals are really gone  :undecided:

(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/DevilzShadow_2009/03032010530.jpg)

(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/DevilzShadow_2009/03032010531.jpg)

(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/DevilzShadow_2009/03032010533-1.jpg)

(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/DevilzShadow_2009/03032010528.jpg)
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: topher on 03 March 2010, 20:27
can't really tell for definite but i'd have expected to see more actually inside the turbo - to me it looks like it may have been leaking from the oil feed.

It'd be hard to lose a whole sumps worth of oil from turbo seals over night - especially without any signs of smoke while the car was at idle. I've seen turbo seals gone before and trust me it smokes like a b!tch.

i suppose taking it apart is the only way to tell for sure though
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Devilz on 30 March 2010, 16:27
Did thermostat change today and now temp guage sit spot on 90 and hopefully it will sort poor fuel consumption. Went for spin, everything seems fine till this annoying warning came on dash again "Oil Press - Stop Motor". When it came previously, the engine was then flushed and refilled with approved vw engine oil. Now after almost a month, this warning has come up again. checked engine oil and its on level.

Can it be cause of faulty oil pressure switch or oil sludge problem?  :undecided:

Need advise

Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Hulmie on 30 March 2010, 16:56
if youve flushed the engine then i would say the sludge would have been cleared. only other thing could be a bloke pick up pipe or oil pump, pressure switch/warning switch could be the cause
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Devilz on 30 March 2010, 16:59
is there any way to check what need replacing before I order parts?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Hulmie on 30 March 2010, 17:05
if the oil pressure switch was faulty i would have thought it would show with a scan on vagcom.

if the pick up pipe is block then its sump off job and you'll probs need the usual oil, filter and also sump gasket. But i doubt this would be the problem if its been serviced well and been flushed.

Are you noticing any smoke on start up and at full temp with foot to floor?

Also is oil making its way through the turbo oil feed pipe?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Devilz on 01 April 2010, 23:10
this problem is getting annoying now, had the warning today 4 times on my way back to home from work. Oil level is absolutely fine, if I change oil pressure sensor and oil pump, will it resolve the issue?
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: darren1.8t on 02 April 2010, 06:41
try it m8 dont leave it or it could be fatal !!!!!! :cry:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Purely VAG on 02 April 2010, 08:59
Don't just replace bits for fun, you'll spend a fortune. Get the car to a garage where a mechanic can have a look as obviously you don't have the time or equipment to diagnose it.

It needs ECU scanning first and going from there.
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Rhyso on 02 April 2010, 10:26
if it drives fine and the oil level is fine then I'd say its the oil pressure switch
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Post by: richw911 on 02 April 2010, 11:20
if it drives fine and the oil level is fine then I'd say its the oil pressure switch

+1 or blocked sump strainer  :smiley:
Title: Re: Oil Press - Stop Motor ***Turbo Pics Page 4**
Post by: Devilz on 02 April 2010, 20:30
Didn't had any warning today  :rolleyes:

I'll change oil pressure switch, fingers crossed it will resolve the issue.