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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: sprout99 on 15 February 2010, 07:49
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The front brakes on my valver are about fcuked.....
I'm planning to upgraged to 280's to give it a bit more stopping power.
Where is the best place to buy them????
I've done some basic searching ...£20 each a disc and pads £20 ish????
Thank
Ian
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think you will need some Caliper spacers also and if you do you can use stock pads
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280s only a bolt on fit if your car is late 88 onwards with 256mm brake, before that they had 239 brakes. With the 256 the calliper carriers unbolt from the hub, 239 carriers are cast into the hub. If you do have 239 you need 256+ 4 stud hubs, Passats are a good source as are higher spec SEAT models from the 90s.
As for the 280mm carriers, MK3 GTIs are popping up in scrappies all the time now and are a good source, just make sure its a pre-96 model. Later SEAT models also got them, as did various high end VWs. Ideally take the 280mm callipers as well, you can get away with 256 callipers but you need to use part worn 16v pads and/or grind down the slider pins a bit.
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It has later hubs so i only need carriers
There are 2 types of pads - a 15mm and a 19mm
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yeah 256 calliper is narrower than the 280, since 280 use a thicker disc. as above can get away with it just about if use part worn pads and/or grind slider pins down. if it was me id fit the proper callipers and take the opportunity to replace all flexi lines, bias valve, fit MK3 rear calipers and bleed the brake system
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yeah ....missed that :embarassed:
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seat ibiza sport 16v or gti 16v use the 280mm set up :smiley:
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seat ibiza sport 16v or gti 16v use the 280mm set up :smiley:
Sweet, I have an M reg 16v golf gti so I'll be scalping the brake setup from that.
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yeah 256 calliper is narrower than the 280, since 280 use a thicker disc. as above can get away with it just about if use part worn pads and/or grind slider pins down. if it was me id fit the proper callipers and take the opportunity to replace all flexi lines, bias valve, fit MK3 rear calipers and bleed the brake system
Yes I agree but if using std mk2 (256mm) 16V pads which are only 16mm thick instead of 19mm which are used by G60 surely it will fit?
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280 discs are still 2mm thicker than 256mm, so that may not be enough! think it also comes down to the make of pads, some may be thicker than others
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just buy some new pads. might as well :)
seat ibiza sport 16v or gti 16v use the 280mm set up :smiley:
Sweet, I have an M reg 16v golf gti so I'll be scalping the brake setup from that.
yeah, but only the calipers and carriers if you staying 4 stud :afro:
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just buy some new pads. might as well :)
seat ibiza sport 16v or gti 16v use the 280mm set up :smiley:
Sweet, I have an M reg 16v golf gti so I'll be scalping the brake setup from that.
yeah, but only the calipers and carriers if you staying 4 stud :afro:
Ta, yeah, considered the wide track option but has been left alone due to insurance issues...
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Heres my set
fitted passat hubs, from 1990 car
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/68/l_e789dd677b7145505d9e38af92e33b3a.jpg)
Mk3 Golf Gti Calipers, pre 95 i think.
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/121/l_aca7e32d99e747b8b1cc9258c7093b0c.jpg)
Diamond Braded hoses and black diamond discs.
Didn't measure the pads, but they look like 19mm.
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/117/l_ff62a991f3644acd87427dc27a7f7d55.jpg)
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thanks for all the advice ! :grin:
I spoke to guy at VW spares yesterday. He mentioned that there might be a clearnace issue
with BBS RA's and the bigger G60 callipers??
I'll get the mk3 callipers and carriers off me mate and have a look at what i can do.
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will the 280 conversion work with std BBS RA's?
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The 15" RA comes in 2 different offsets, 1 size fits, other needs a thin spacer.
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14" ra's will not fit over the brakes but 15's will be fine :)
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as above, 2 offsets of 15" RAs, 1 set clears other needs a thin spacer ;)
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i had a look last night - there's a good 20mm between calliper and wheel
car has original wheels .....ET28 possibly?
i'm going to pick up carriers tonight. Might bring them to work and turn the guide pins down
on lathe. bit more accurate than grinding
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iirc the 2 sizes are ET35 and 38? or 33 and 35... Will do some searching
edit: though this is only an issue with proper G60 callipers, the 256mm calipers that you'll be using will clear just fine :)
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iirc the 2 sizes are ET35 and 38? or 33 and 35... Will do some searching
edit: though this is only an issue with proper G60 callipers, the 256mm calipers that you'll be using will clear just fine :)
but will need some monor tweaks ......to carrier guide pins.
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yeah in order to get the calipers to fit over the discs, what i meant was either size of BBS RA will clear the 256mm calipers without any issues.
After some research, the 2 sizes are:
191 601 025 AE - 6.5x15 ET33
165 601 025 - 6x15 ET35
not sure which ones clear the G60s, but I'd hazard a guess it would be the 6.5J ones as they're a lower offset.
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i'll look tonight - the offser is stamped on outside of wheels
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iirc the 2 sizes are ET35 and 38? or 33 and 35... Will do some searching
edit: though this is only an issue with proper G60 callipers, the 256mm calipers that you'll be using will clear just fine :)
mine are 6j x 15 ET35
There is loads of room around calliper but any bigger on bigger discs might not fit.
Got carriers.....need to paint them and find slide bolts
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bits have arrived
280mm discs
std 16v pads (16mm thick)
280 carriers currently in garage at home painted black
fingers crossed i hit no snags......
angle grinder at the ready for slide bolts modding !
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Keep us posted with your progress.
I too have 6j x 15 ET35 RAs and would be interested to hear if you have any clearance issues.
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i'll be very p155ed off if they don't fit !
my old mk3 ibiza Sport had 15" wheels and 280mm brakes
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i have the ibiza sport 280mm set up with 15" MIM 1000s and there are no issues :afro:
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it's fitted......
grinding down the slide pins was a pain but the std callipers and 280 carriers are in place.
there is very little clearance but no rubbing. Brakes feel very positive so far and should get better
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Did you change the master cylinder?
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nope....don't need to since caliper is 256mm
tried brakes and they feel very good.
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Is there any issue using calipers that were once ABS on a none ABS car?
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no idea...wouldn't imagine so
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no idea...wouldn't imagine so
Sound enough, will have a play :wink:
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no there isnt, 280 ABS calipers are same as 280 non-abs calipers
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no there isnt, 280 ABS calipers are same as 280 non-abs calipers
Coolio.
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anyone know if the ibiza 16v setup needs 16mm or 19mm thick pads? i've come across both listed!
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i would guess 19mm.....i have used the std Golf 16V versions on mine which are 16mm
as i'm using the original callipers with modded slide bolts
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depends which ibiza 16v you're on about! they had both 256 and 280mm brakes, depending on if its 1.8 or 2.0 16v.
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depends which ibiza 16v you're on about! they had both 256 and 280mm brakes, depending on if its 1.8 or 2.0 16v.
2.0 16v with 280mm discs :smiley:
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ibiza with 280mm uses G60 pads, 256 uses 16v pads ;)
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:afro: cheers RJ!
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so tell me if i have this rite, i have a 1990 16v with 256 disks on it, if i want to go to 280all i need is the calliper carriers and to make sure i get the 16mm pads, is that rite??
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i had to take 3mm off each slide bolt to allow calliper to fit
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ha lush i shal get searching then :smiley:
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ive found a set of vr6 calipers and carriers on ebay but they say there 288, will these fit standard mk2 16v hubs and are 4 stud disks available for these?????
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no....mk3 parts need to be before 1995....288's won't fit.
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FM those carrier bolks were an absolute swine to get out.
Ended up having to heat them out.
Who's bright idea was it to put hex bolts on rear carriers!?
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Great info from the man once again. Badly need to update my brakes.
Also worth taking the 15'' space saver spare wheel to fit over the brakes. I got mine out of a corrado g60. Not sure if seat's have space savers though. :)
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well really if you get a front flat you shjould put space saver on the back and put good rear wheel on the front, dont want a space saver on the front if you can help it!
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well really if you get a front flat you shjould put space saver on the back and put good rear wheel on the front, dont want a space saver on the front if you can help it!
i agree