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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Egbutt Wash on 27 January 2010, 00:04
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Have VW made a horrible mistake by implementing the Borgwarner auto clutches too soon?
The gearbox and ratios are the same for manual and DSG.
I hope they have not done a Tony Blair MWD on us all.
BTW, my works just as smooth as ever. It has it's moments, but I can see it's just due to me changing driving styles (I despise any motorway miles and just drive for economy, when back in Cumbria I drive hell for leather).
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funny coz i was having the same conversation with my mechanic last week. he bought it up that loads of DSG cars are coming in with clutch/gearbox failures a lot earlier than expected. he hates the dsg, and said he would never get one- as they are the moment.
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It's my first and last VW. I only bought it for the DSG. Now everyone does these gearboxes I think I'll sell and buy a decent brand car.
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It's my first and last VW. I only bought it for the DSG. Now everyone does these gearboxes I think I'll sell and buy a decent brand car.
Bought a Gti recently, really wanted a DSG model but settled for a manual instead. Sort of Glad a did now with all these DSG problems popping up.
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"all these problems", that makes me laugh. there are a lot more happy DSG drivers on here, than unhappy ones!
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It would be good if this thread became a nice even handed and balanced assessment of the facts rather than emotive scaremongering. Now, lets see if that happens.... :laugh:
I am delighted thus far with DSG, 05 (MY06), never missed a beat. (D'Oh! why did I say that out loud **slaps head**)
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"all these problems", that makes me laugh. there are a lot more happy DSG drivers on here, than unhappy ones!
Sorry didn't mean it like that at all! Reason I say at this present time on the mkV section of the forum on the first page there is about 5 threads mentioning DSG.
Like you say I am sure there is probably more happy DSG drivers than cross ones.
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what problems are people having? From what I can gather the main problems are:
1. Jerky gear box and
2. the more serious loss of drive issues
Are there any more?
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MANUAL, FOR THE WIN :laugh:
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Apple Macs are so much better than PC's
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My local DST has always said to me DSG stand for Disaster Struck Gearbox or Doesn't Select Gears :wink:
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Hi
I have a DSG car and have always been for it and from the point of view of driving the car i love it and always have until the weekend, its now in the VW Dealer for the next two weeks while it has a new gearbox fitted all because the Input Shaft bearing went.
The main issue i have is that no-one inside the dealer network is allowed to work on the box it just has to be replaced.
I am now reassessing my next car as i was looking at another GTI or Golf R.
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another brilliant thred! :grin: :rolleyes:
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Manual box for me.
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Don't know of a single person to have trouble with their DSG. I have seen threads of trouble after excessive launch control use but outside of a long track day drag racing or acting like a scumbag everywhere, that's not a problem for 90%+ of people. Oil starvation or not getting the oil changed at the correct time can cause problem, but that's just poor car care. Negligence will cause trouble with any car and transmission.
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Don't manual boxes have any reliabilty issues?
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Don't manual boxes have any reliabilty issues?
No - they are perfect in every way and last forever... :grin:
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I've got a Mk5 with a VAG (Voice-Activated Gearbox)......
I shout at mine, "First, Second, Third" etc......
The only problem is that ever since I've owned it, it's had a juddering gear-change.....
Think it's something to do with my stammer......
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Don't manual boxes have any reliabilty issues?
No - they are perfect in every way and last forever... :grin:
:wink: apart from the dual mass flywheel ..... :grin:
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Well mine works well and handles the power perfectly. Maybe the harder you push it the better it gets :rolleyes:
380+bhp and onwards :grin:
DSGFTMFW :evil:
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Well, at nearly 80,000 miles I'm still very happy with my DSG. I had a Mechatronics module replaced at 6k miles. I wouldn't buy another car without DSG, S-tronic, or its equivalent.
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I love it..... It is an expensive bang tho....
One reason why I'm not moving to a 996 is die to the engines blowing up issue. Although this is a real phenomenon, t'internet scaremongering makes it seem more likely than the reality.
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another brilliant thred! :grin: :rolleyes:
Bare in mind who the OP was :rolleyes:
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i have a problem with mine, it just has no response when cruising sometimes (lifting aacel to go into bend without using the brake reapply the accel and nothing happens, put foot flat to the floor 1-2-3 secs later it will change down a gear and zoom off like a nun from a streaker) its been to the garage, they say.. COMPUTER SAYS NO.. other words no faults showing.. grrr... also when going to pull out of a junction on rolling start same thing 1-2-3 nuns on the run just with cars heading for ya, lol. (NOT SCARES THE sh!t OUT OF YA). if i lift then reapply it will work as norm but WTH :( ....... any ideas.......... just booked it in for dsg oil+filter change, its due soon and ya never know :)
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Mine did this once or twice, but had not re-occured since I changed the dsg oil & filter over 6k miles ago.
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i have a problem with mine, it just has no response when cruising sometimes (lifting aacel to go into bend without using the brake reapply the accel and nothing happens, put foot flat to the floor 1-2-3 secs later it will change down a gear and zoom off like a nun from a streaker) its been to the garage, they say.. COMPUTER SAYS NO.. other words no faults showing.. grrr... also when going to pull out of a junction on rolling start same thing 1-2-3 nuns on the run just with cars heading for ya, lol. (NOT SCARES THE sh!t OUT OF YA). if i lift then reapply it will work as norm but WTH :( ....... any ideas.......... just booked it in for dsg oil+filter change, its due soon and ya never know :)
I've been noticing that, although I but it down to turbo lag (admittidly this is my first turbo so have no experience with that, but did find when it's in sports (and the revs are higher) gets better response.
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:angry: I Bloody hate threads like this, there will be people out there thinking of buying a DSG GTI and then deciding not too because of this thread, They might be less reliable than the Manual but this is obvious as its more complex, but i wouldnt call it unreliable. Ive never heard of ONE single majour car company that has had 100% reliability with the DSG Or in BMWs case the SMG 1 or 2 - its the nature of the beast !!
And the reason that is everyone is copying the twin clutch design is because its the biggest breakthrough in gear box technology since the Gearbox, so its probably best you sell the VW and buy a car from a less innovative company :smiley:
oh this is from a manual gti owner by the way, (so dont say we slag of the DSG Box all the time)......... This post will self destruct so it cant be used in future debates smg, manual debates in........5..........4..........3...........2............1.......... :grin:
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The DSG box is a seriously well engineered piece of equipment. I was talking to some guys from the Alfa owner's club and cars with Alfa Romeo's equivalent Selespeed gearbox spend most of their lives being fixed, even the newer ones after Alfa improved a lot on their reliability. Meanwhile the DSG box is used across the VAG range with great results.
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Mate, Alfa comparisons are never gonna be taken seriously!!! :grin:
I had DSG in my Scirocco, it was alright but went for a manual in the MK6, much better (for me).
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DSG is the best auto box on the market, no comparison. Yes some will go wrong, its the nature of the beast. The iPod is popular and some of those go wrong, fact of life!
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well ive rang vw and i inquired about geting the dsg, oil+filter changed, and im also due the cambelt changed they said they'll do the both for £400 was just wondering is this a good price for the two?. il post after and let ya konw if it sorts my problem out... im not slag'n the dsg off by the way, wth me being disabled ive had a few automatics and this is the best by FAR... just posted bcuz of the problem....... anyways thanks all :)
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Lol, being a Mk2 convert, this just reeks of the 8v/16v debates.
Guys, it's a preference. Personnaly I like the DSG :)
Edit: Darn wrong thread! Doh!
Why can't I delete my own reply?
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well ive rang vw and i inquired about geting the dsg, oil+filter changed, and im also due the cambelt changed they said they'll do the both for £400 was just wondering is this a good price for the two?. il post after and let ya konw if it sorts my problem out... im not slag'n the dsg off by the way, wth me being disabled ive had a few automatics and this is the best by FAR... just posted bcuz of the problem....... anyways thanks all :)
Thats an amazing price, a lot of garages charge more than that for the cambelt alone. Bite their hand off!
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Mate, Alfa comparisons are never gonna be taken seriously!!! :grin:
I had DSG in my Scirocco, it was alright but went for a manual in the MK6, much better (for me).
Ahhh I should have known :grin: Said it to show how good the DSG is though, when complaints max out at some juddering when a service is due and the very rare story of a replacement things are pretty good. Selespeed boxes barely make it to the showroom, nevermind off the forecourt :wink:
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i have a problem with mine, it just has no response when cruising sometimes (lifting aacel to go into bend without using the brake reapply the accel and nothing happens, put foot flat to the floor 1-2-3 secs later it will change down a gear and zoom off like a nun from a streaker) its been to the garage, they say.. COMPUTER SAYS NO.. other words no faults showing.. grrr... also when going to pull out of a junction on rolling start same thing 1-2-3 nuns on the run just with cars heading for ya, lol. (NOT SCARES THE sh!t OUT OF YA). if i lift then reapply it will work as norm but WTH :( ....... any ideas.......... just booked it in for dsg oil+filter change, its due soon and ya never know :)
well just got it back after dsg oil+oil filter change + cambelt change and its still doing it, will test again 2mowow, if persists vw ere we come.. AGAIN :(
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The main reason I got a manual was because I'd read of a problem with DSG on some other forum. This was almost two years ago. There are times when I've been happy with manual but there are times when DSG would have been more fun. Then there are the times I've rode shotgun in a DSG car. Just smooth acceleration all the way through the gears. Sometimes, I am jealous. Sometimes.
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maxie - if it's the same as what I get on my DSG then you get that moment when the car don't seem to do anything when you're ready to pull out at a roundabout, and you have some brown trouser moments :grin: I've mentioned it to people before about 'D' on the DSG and when you say, "it just doesn't seem to take off quick enough" you see them look at you like "oh yeah, boy racer!" :huh:
I just have a habit now of slipping mine into 'S' when I'm coming up to a roundabout/junction cause it then drops 2 gears anyway, so you've got the power to pull away - plus it's a lot more sprightly off the line anyway.
I got an APR remap on mine the other week, wondering if part of it may have smoothed out the 'D' slow start issue, but it didn't. Hurdy has a remap on his DSG I think, which must mean he can put more power down and perhaps sorts that slugishness out?
Unless you seriously are talking 1-2-3 seconds (and not just feels like it when a lorry is hurtling towards you on a r'bout :wink:) then just take the service guy out in it and he will be able to see it straight away.
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i would take it in but its intermitant, wich makes it a pain in v ass... did the oil etc etc left the garage and it was play'n up all the way home, went for a cruise up to buxton etc and nothing, ran fine apart from 1 moment, went shop'n today alls fine :) but go tomorrow and prob be a pain again :( so as you can imagine its a grrrrrrrrrrrr...lol.. i think its a case of just wait'n to see if it gets worse so then will be easier to show the problem, or better yet shes decided enuffs enuff and all will be fine...lol. heres hope'n A :)