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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: zdebx on 24 January 2010, 16:47
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I'm sure those of you, who's got Hella headlights and HID will know this problem.
When the lights are on dipped beam, HID works perfectly. Also when you switch the full beam on, HID is still there.
However, when you try to switch the sidelights on, HIDs start to flash really fast, and eventually just switch off. So what's the problem here and how to get it fixed? :shocked:
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That's because you have the dayglo resister that everyone has been talking about lately on the forum.
The HID's need 12v to work, but normal headlight bulbs don't. Therefore the HID's are tricked into thinking the battery is flat as they aren't being provided enough power, hence why they flicker and switch off.
There's three ways around this:
1. Throw your HID kit in the bin
2. Unplug the yellow plug located behind/underneath your airbox
3. Buy a seperate wiring kit off ebay that will cost you an extra £10-£15
I chose option 2 :)
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That's because you have the dayglo resister that everyone has been talking about lately on the forum.
The HID's need 12v to work, but normal headlight bulbs don't. Therefore the HID's are tricked into thinking the battery is flat as they aren't being provided enough power, hence why they flicker and switch off.
There's three ways around this:
1. Throw your HID kit in the bin
2. Unplug the yellow plug located behind/underneath your airbox
3. Buy a seperate wiring kit off ebay that will cost you an extra £10-£15
I chose option 2 :)
Is that the plug, which is between the top and bottom air pipes? Tried disconnecting it, but made no difference. They still flash like crazy.
Stupid question, but I forgot.....When the sidelights are on, the middle lenses suppose to light up or the outer ones, but just really dipped?
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do you have a pic of what needs disconnecting??
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Get a relay kit, that's your best bet, that's what I did, mind you I got Adam to fit it because I'm useless lol!
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mine did this, use a relay, cost pence!
i also wired mine direct to my headlight switch using thicj cable, a inline fuse and a relay
so now this is how mt switch works
FIRST CLICK - INNER SIDELIGHTS COME ON
SECOND TWIST OF SWITCH - HIDS COME ON AND INNER SIDELIGHTS STAY ON
CLICK BACK TO POSITION 1 OF SWITCH - HIDS GO OUT AND INNER SIDELIGHTS STAY ON
Before i did this on the first click 1 side hid would come on or flicjer, and to get both hids to come on i had to turn lights off and switch straight to position 2..
hids need more power to fire up, a relay worked for me, and the added benefit of thicker wire direct to the headlight switch was even better (u must use a fuse tho too)
OH ONE OTHER THING POLICE PULLED ME (NOT FOR MY HIDS)
I asked the copper if they were a issue - guess what, NO he thought they were what came with my car, was gonna make aseperate post but didnt bother on this forum as its full of haters so no point :grin:
this happened at 6.30am this morning annd it was the traffic police that stopped me
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When I have the first click my HIDs and inner sidelights are both on fine, turn to the second click and they remain the same. :smiley:
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When I have the first click my HIDs and inner sidelights are both on fine, turn to the second click and they remain the same. :smiley:
**edit, thats wrong, first click should be side lights only NOT hids
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When I have the first click my HIDs and inner sidelights are both on fine, turn to the second click and they remain the same. :smiley:
**edit, thats wrong, first click should be side lights only NOT hids
Not mine. :smug: I'm using a relay kit, but there doesn't seem to be any problems with it.
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Ok, first of all. What's the dayglo resistor everyone's talking about? Is it the plug, which is between the top air pipe and bottom one (hot air)?
I tried to remove it, but made no difference to the lights. They still flash, when the switch is in the middle.
As I previously asked, what are the sidelights on Hella's? Are they the middle lenses or the outer ones, but dipped (not fully dipped)?
And this relay...Where do I get that and what is it called?
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Ok, first of all. What's the dayglo resistor everyone's talking about? Is it the plug, which is between the top air pipe and bottom one (hot air)?
I tried to remove it, but made no difference to the lights. They still flash, when the switch is in the middle.
As I previously asked, what are the sidelights on Hella's? Are they the middle lenses or the outer ones, but dipped (not fully dipped)?
And this relay...Where do I get that and what is it called?
I'll go and take a photo of the yellow plug so that you can see where it's located
The sidelights should be the 5w sidelight bulbs in the middle lenses. Although if you have standard bulbs + a dayglo resister, the outer ones should dimly light up. As I mentioned previously, this doesn't work with HID's because they think there's not enough power going to the ballasts, hence why they flicker and turn off.
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I've modified the threads (and the part2 one into here) :wink:
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I've modified the threads (and the part2 one into here) :wink:
:afro: Good job I didn't do that too or we'd end up with a system crash. :lipsrsealed:
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What Joe said is true.
The relay mod allows the HIDs to draw power direct from the battery and it's activated by the original headlight connections.
However as Shady proved the resistor still allows enough power to pass to the relay to activate it, which doesn't fix the problem correctly.
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Thanks for the pic Joe.
My side lights are standards, not xenons. When the guy was fitting the kit, he was gonna change the sidelights too, but then when this flashing happended, I told him just to leave them as they are.
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The sidelights do not matter in this equation.
From the switch the sidelights live branches off and goes to a resistor that drops the voltage then to the dipped beam. This dimly illuminates them.
The HID ballasts are very sensitive to the voltage and it isn't quite enough so it tries then switches off as Joe said, incase the battery is flat. It thinks this because of the drop in voltage.
By removing the resistor, there is no power to the HIDs when the sidelights are on, removing the problem.
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The sidelights do not matter in this equation.
From the switch the sidelights live branches off and goes to a resistor that drops the voltage then to the dipped beam. This dimly illuminates them.
The HID ballasts are very sensitive to the voltage and it isn't quite enough so it tries then switches off as Joe said, incase the battery is flat. It thinks this because of the drop in voltage.
By removing the resistor, there is no power to the HIDs when the sidelights are on, removing the problem.
Ooook, that makes sense.
So if I unplug that resistor, the sidelights will come on, but won't be HID? What about if I just change the bulbs to xenons? Will it work?
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Do you mean change the sidelight bulbs to xenons? As in a replacement bulb that is classed as a xenon light? Or an actual HID kit for the sidelights?
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Excuse the state of my engine bay.. but here's what you need to unplug. Should be behind the drivers side headlight, underneath the airbox
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/GCL731Y/S7002373.jpg)
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Precisely. :)
"Xenon" sidelight bulbs are just white bulbs, they are 12V and 5 watt and make no difference at all. Infact most are standard bulbs with a blue coating to give an effect, I have yet to come across true "xenon" sidelight bulbs.
Put them in and there should be no difference.
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Excuse the state of my engine bay.. but here's what you need to unplug. Should be behind the drivers side headlight, underneath the airbox
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/GCL731Y/S7002373.jpg)
I will do this to mine and maybe I can make the inside lamps stay on without the HIDs, considering mine are "wrong". :grin:
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That is right, the sidelights will be on alone. :)
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Shady, yeah, I meant just changing the bulbs, not getting a new kit for the sidelights, although the HID guy told me, I do need a new kit to make full beam HID as well.
GuessWho, I wanna get 6000k xenon bulbs for the sidelights, which should be blueish/crystal white? Not just crappy white...
Cheers Joe...So will have to dig underneath my airbox :nerd:
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Shady, yeah, I meant just changing the bulbs, not getting a new kit for the sidelights, although the HID guy told me, I do need a new kit to make full beam HID as well.
GuessWho, I wanna get 6000k xenon bulbs for the sidelights, which should be blueish/crystal white? Not just crappy white...
Cheers Joe...So will have to dig underneath my airbox :nerd:
If you're just changing the bulbs it'll do the same thing. So no better, take out the resistor and hopefully that should sort the problem out for you. I wouldn't make your full beam HID, you'll kill people from the brightness. LOL!
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Have you got a link?
They are normally blue coated to give the white effect, I have some. The filament still needs 12V and draws 5W so will make no difference.
As for full beam HIDs, it helps yes but if you don't switch them off in time and someone comes the other way, they get a full beam HID aiming directly into their eyes.
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Nah, I'm just saying, but I'm not gonna do it, because getting another kit for £70-80 quid for full beam, that I barely use is just dumb :shocked: The thing is, it just looks ugly, when you've got your HID dipped lights on, and then when you flash with full beam, the white crappy lights come on lol
GuessWho, I've got my dipped beam HIDs, so I know they look blueish.
Something like this:
(http://carvideodirect.net/images/6k.jpg)
Will take the resistor, and see if it helps with the sidelights.
Cheers guys :)
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Cool, no problems.
Another thing to remember from experience in a mates Fiesta is that with highbeams and dipped beam HIDs, you cannot see the beam of other cars round country lanes as there is no cut off on highbeams on Hella twins, it floods the area with light.
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Christ where do you get HID kits from? I only paid £40 for mine over 1yr ago and it's now come down to £32 delivered!!
I went outside a minute ago and took pictures of the headlight with + without the 'resister' plugged in but can't get them off my phone and onto the laptop.. which sucks really!
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Joe - http://www.hid-kits.co.uk
Was looking around for HIDs on Gumtree, and this was the best I could find :sad:
It's with fitting and the bulbs.
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As for full beam HIDs, it helps yes but if you don't switch them off in time and someone comes the other way, they get a full beam HID aiming directly into their eyes.
thats wrong
you dont use them within high beam (this is the reason manufacures dont as standard) is because they take a few moments to warm up to full brightness and high beam needs to be instant, like if you need to flash when your on a country road etc and need instant visibility.. hids are no good for this...
if you have them you will know what i mean, pull up to a wall when the hids are cold (not been on) then turn them on, you can see them get brighter, takes afew seconds.....
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It's not wrong, it is aimed at oncoming vehicles.
But what you said is another reason why you shouldn't have them in highbeams.
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mate, hids or no hids, full beam dazzles you if your on coming so it would make no odds :grin:
trust me, the reason i state is the reason they dont come in high beam from the factory
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That's because you have the dayglo resister that everyone has been talking about lately on the forum.
The HID's need 12v to work, but normal headlight bulbs don't. Therefore the HID's are tricked into thinking the battery is flat as they aren't being provided enough power, hence why they flicker and switch off.
There's three ways around this:
1. Throw your HID kit in the bin
2. Unplug the yellow plug located behind/underneath your airbox
3. Buy a seperate wiring kit off ebay that will cost you an extra £10-£15
I chose option 2 :)
This will not sort the problem out.
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That's because you have the dayglo resister that everyone has been talking about lately on the forum.
The HID's need 12v to work, but normal headlight bulbs don't. Therefore the HID's are tricked into thinking the battery is flat as they aren't being provided enough power, hence why they flicker and switch off.
There's three ways around this:
1. Throw your HID kit in the bin
2. Unplug the yellow plug located behind/underneath your airbox
3. Buy a seperate wiring kit off ebay that will cost you an extra £10-£15
I chose option 2 :)
This will not sort the problem out.
I assumed it did as both you and Shady bought one?
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That's because you have the dayglo resister that everyone has been talking about lately on the forum.
The HID's need 12v to work, but normal headlight bulbs don't. Therefore the HID's are tricked into thinking the battery is flat as they aren't being provided enough power, hence why they flicker and switch off.
There's three ways around this:
1. Throw your HID kit in the bin
2. Unplug the yellow plug located behind/underneath your airbox
3. Buy a seperate wiring kit off ebay that will cost you an extra £10-£15
I chose option 2 :)
This will not sort the problem out.
I assumed it did as both you and Shady bought one?
We both have one but it still comes on with sides. But it is constant on not 'flickering' like the OP said, this is because the relay switches with the 4v its givin..
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what i did is what you lot need to do, already said ages ago :grin: :grin: :grin:
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in my old vec i had HID style super white bulbs which looked loads better. and i've orderd some for my golf.