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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Saskatoon on 12 January 2010, 22:24
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I know it's not dramatic or sexy but it's got teeth. Can it be done quickly?
My 1.6 driver engine on carb has just developed a nasty leak from behind block from a core plug. I think the engine frooze up over Chrimbo when I moth-balled it. I did check anti-freeze before she sat from before chrimbo eve until yesterday. The metal water pip also split and the water pump belt snapped?
I can afford a GTi engine and box only. I would put a 1.8t from an Octavia RS if I could afford it - but whats the real point when I have got an Octavia RS anyway. I love this Golf. It's tactile and properly made and can be parked anywhere and chucked about.
It already has fully adjustable koni's all round and slammed. DTM exhaust, full leather Recaro interior, Alpine i.c.e and Sony xplod speakers, TSW alloys. It's far to good to bin. :laugh:
Will a 1.8 16v Gti be an easy fit - or ball ache like my brother says?
Can I have as much feedback as poss?
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wang an abf in. if anything i would say its an easyer conversion
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Well you're going to have to change all your fuel lines, change the in-tank fuel pump and bolt an external pump to the underside of the car. You'll need new gti driveshafts as the 1.6 ones are 90mm, you need 100mm shafts. You'll need the ECU and wiring, some other stuff.. You can use the same mounts fine. You'll need a new exhaust system or just a new downpipe to mate to the 16v exhaust manifold.
It's not *that* hard to do if you're handy with a spanner and have the right tools.
Oh, plus you'll want better brakes and stuff!
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It seems from the feedback that its going to cost you a lot more than just the engine & gearbox to make it an 8v or 16v gti. If money is tight and you want a bit more power, why not just find a 1.8 carb engine and put a weber on it (and maybe a gti head if you can be bothered). It looks pretty good as it is but it's never going to be a proper gti so why bother with all the grief of fuel pumps, ecu, brakes etc. If you want a 16v gti just save your money and buy one ready made? :smiley:
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If money and time is an issue get yourself an 8v GTI lump and drop it on your existing gearbox setup and jsut uprate the carb and block the injector holes.
Nick
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Alfa sud :cool:
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YYeerr :shocked:
Alfasud!!! - she's a beauty. There's no welding ever been done on this one, and it's 99.9% rot free It's got genuine 25K on clock with full histry file and a sweet gearbox no crunches in second. It has the Uber rare alfastyl bodykit, which Alfa Romeo teams use in the supercharged 1.7 suds in the class B racing in the 1980's. She also has Autodelta high lifting cams and full stainless racing exhaust. It also is rare, because Alfa Romeo UK ran out of Alfasud stock in February 1984 and this one was registered in July 1984 so was just about the last sold anywhere in the country.
The best thing is about owning a sud is this. I can park up anywahere in the UK, and I will never see another one go by, however there never a shortage of blokes coming over saying they owned one when they we young and asking to buy it. Money can't buy that feeling of exclusivity. That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK
This is the wrong forum, so nuff said.
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YYeerr :shocked:
Alfasud!!! - she's a beauty. There's no welding ever been done on this one, and it's 99.9% rot free It's got genuine 25K on clock with full histry file and a sweet gearbox no crunches in second. It has the Uber rare alfastyl bodykit, which Alfa Romeo teams use in the supercharged 1.7 suds in the class B racing in the 1980's. She also has Autodelta high lifting cams and full stainless racing exhaust. It also is rare, because Alfa Romeo UK ran out of Alfasud stock in February 1984 and this one was registered in July 1984 so was just about the last sold anywhere in the country.
The best thing is about owning a sud is this. I can park up anywahere in the UK, and I will never see another one go by, however there never a shortage of blokes coming over saying they owned one when they we young and asking to buy it. Money can't buy that feeling of exclusivity. That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK
This is the wrong forum, so nuff said.
Hard to believe there's any left at all, I had a lovely '82 red Tii cloverleaf, fantastic boxer engine but it literally dissolved on my drive :sad:
Had a 2.0 GTV as well, that went the same way :sad: :sad:
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I to owned a few years ago a 1.5ti Green Cloverleaf. I foolishly sold it as a going concern to a guy in Derbyshire. He spent a lot of money restoring it - and now it is the best sud in Britain and Alfa UK use it for promotions it's that good. A136 ASM was the reg. This is why I'm not letting go of this current sud. I really regretted getting rid of last one.
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YYeerr :shocked:
Alfasud!!! - she's a beauty. There's no welding ever been done on this one, and it's 99.9% rot free It's got genuine 25K on clock with full histry file and a sweet gearbox no crunches in second. It has the Uber rare alfastyl bodykit, which Alfa Romeo teams use in the supercharged 1.7 suds in the class B racing in the 1980's. She also has Autodelta high lifting cams and full stainless racing exhaust. It also is rare, because Alfa Romeo UK ran out of Alfasud stock in February 1984 and this one was registered in July 1984 so was just about the last sold anywhere in the country.
The best thing is about owning a sud is this. I can park up anywahere in the UK, and I will never see another one go by, however there never a shortage of blokes coming over saying they owned one when they we young and asking to buy it. Money can't buy that feeling of exclusivity. That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK
This is the wrong forum, so nuff said.
Curious to know where you got that number from? VOSA shows that 89 went through their MOT in 2007, so that's a hell of a drop in 2/3 years.
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YYeerr :shocked:
Alfasud!!! - she's a beauty. There's no welding ever been done on this one, and it's 99.9% rot free It's got genuine 25K on clock with full histry file and a sweet gearbox no crunches in second. It has the Uber rare alfastyl bodykit, which Alfa Romeo teams use in the supercharged 1.7 suds in the class B racing in the 1980's. She also has Autodelta high lifting cams and full stainless racing exhaust. It also is rare, because Alfa Romeo UK ran out of Alfasud stock in February 1984 and this one was registered in July 1984 so was just about the last sold anywhere in the country.
The best thing is about owning a sud is this. I can park up anywahere in the UK, and I will never see another one go by, however there never a shortage of blokes coming over saying they owned one when they we young and asking to buy it. Money can't buy that feeling of exclusivity. That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK
This is the wrong forum, so nuff said.
Curious to know where you got that number from? VOSA shows that 89 went through their MOT in 2007, so that's a hell of a drop in 2/3 years.
I suspect they rusted away, shocking how they used to build them to be honest.
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^ It wasn't that they built them so badly it was the steel sheet they used. I believe that they used Russian steel which had a very high carbon content and was very poor quality. I remember trying to rub down the the tailgate on my GTV with wet & dry to get rid of the rust and if you didn't dry the water off within 60sec a film of rust would form. You don't get that on a VW, although I think mk1 Scirocco's were quite bad.
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^ It wasn't that they built them so badly it was the steel sheet they used. I believe that they used Russian steel which had a very high carbon content and was very poor quality. I remember trying to rub down the the tailgate on my GTV with wet & dry to get rid of the rust and if you didn't dry the water off within 60sec a film of rust would form. You don't get that on a VW, although I think mk1 Scirocco's were quite bad.
I remember reading somewhere they used to leave the unpainted bodies outside which was near the sea.
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It was the Russian steel wot did it.
That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK
Curious to know where you got that number from? VOSA shows that 89 went through their MOT in 2007, so that's a hell of a drop in 2/3 years.
Actually I think the total dataset for 'Suds is 165 cars - passes + fails. The data isn't very well explained in the sheet.
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I am only quoting what the Alfasud owners club say. They have many experts in these cars. The number which VOSA quote will also include Alfasud Sprints which are totally different cars and the run of Alfasuds across 3 series runs. Series 1 - the classic shape, the Series 2 - more modern shape with oblong headlights - then the series 3 - modern shape with twin headlights again. |For the Sprint the Series 1 and Series 2, which then led onto the Alfa 33 - for which there is approximately 100 or so road worthy cars left. Amazingly another car I own a few years back a Renault Gordini Turbo there are also less than 100 left in the UK - and the experts also rekon the Renault 5 in all it's guises is the rarest car "In the world today."
As for the rusting away and manufacture, they were no different to British Leylands manufacturing process. Them comunist in the midlands gave as much love in building them as the Italians, which was very little. There used to be airfields full of Rover SD1's and Princesses, and Montego's, before they were sold most of the cars had to be resprayed again because they were rusting away and new and unregistered. They rekon most Alfasud were rotten beyond repair within 3 years from being new - the same thing happened the Lancia Betas - which killed the company off.
The Alfasud plant in the south of Italy which is where "sud" comes from was a Government social rejuvenation programme to get people working and off their equivelent of the dole. Of course the people didn't give a flying cluck about the quality. The metal was not the only problem back then, but must have been a major factor. The other problems back then were the technology we take for granted now was not invented. When we look back in 30 years from now, we will think the cars we drive now were shoddy I'm sure. They did not galvanize the metal in the same way and the processes of assembly was far different and corners were cut in quality inspection. The paint technology was also much less advance to todays chemical makeup.
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Actually I think the total dataset for 'Suds is 165 cars - passes + fails. The data isn't very well explained in the sheet.
I expect that most (not all, but most) of the cars that failed a test in 2007, would have then later passed a re-test. I'm guessing that this would have been recorded in the aforementioned dataset as 1 fail, and 1 pass.
Furthermore, some may have failed numerous tests... so I reckon that the data makes it look like there's a lot more cars on the road than there actually are. :smiley:
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I think I have solved my engine problem anyway. I have replace a core plug on the inlet manifold. I will just keep it as a Golf Driver and sell it during the year to a kiddy, as it's much cheaper to insure than a gti I only paid £185 fully comp. This driver bassically looks like a gti and is what it is.
I am not really into racing off from traffic lights anyway - done all that when I was 17 Yeh this 1.6 driver engine is gutless, but it goes and stops and looks nice. I got the Octavia RS sat out the front if I want a turn of speed