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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: GotTurboInside on 27 December 2009, 08:37
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Hey guys, I'm in a terrible dilemma in deciding which car to get. Thus I kindly seek your opinions and suggestions. I've narrowed down to a few listed below.
1) 06 or 07 R32
2) MK 5
3) Evo 9
4) WRX or STI
Needless to say my heart's leaning towards the R32 more followed by the MK 5. If the MK6 was up I'll take it for sure in a heart beat!
Now, option 3 and 4 yield more BHP but nowhere near the luxuries. of option 1 and 2! My gut and heart tells me the R32 is better! I'm really lost and confused! help me pls! LOL
I'll take every comment, view and criticism with a pinch of salt and open mind as we all feel and have different views on stuff.Thanx alot guys! appreciate it very much!
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An R32 or ED30 for me.
Both great cars, in a different way :grin:
Here's an old comparison I wrote just after getting my R32 last year :-
Well I've just switched to a new R32 after owning an ED 30 GTi, and before that a Mk V GTi, so feel I should share my experience with you
All cars were standard with no remaps
1. Pace - The R32 is still running in and feeling quicker each week. Nevertheless the ED30 "felt" more punchier after 3500rpm, especially in 3rd and 4th gear. In comparison the R32 just oozes low down power and delivers smooth accelaration all the way to the red line with no turbo "punch". I reckon performance is very similar in a straight line on a dry road. So 8/10 for both cars. The standard GTi felt slighty less powerful at higher revs and a bit slower at motorway speeds so 7/10.
2. Guzzling gas
The ED30 managed an overall 27.36mpg average for me (with plenty of city commuting) over 12500 miles
The R32 is managing an overall 24.12mpg so far (and steadily improving) after 1600 miles (same roads etc as ED30)
The standard GTi managed 28.9mpg overall
So 6/10 for the ED30, 4/10 for the R32 and 7/10 for the standard GTi
3. The driving experience is completey different between the two cars, but both very enjoybale. The R32 with it's Haldex 4wd is just incredible for traction - you can boot it out of side roads, exiting roundabouts and away from the lights with no fuss or wheelspin. On the move the R32 feels heavier and less "chuckable" than the GTi but with awesome amount of grips around corners. The GTi by comparison feels lighter and more nimble, but tractions can be a problem at times and you have to learn to feather the throttle to avoid wheelspin. Uphill in the wet or even damp I could still get a little wheelspin in 3rd (no remap either).
Have to say this is difficult to score, the R32 scores best for traction & grip but the GTi scores better for chuckability and fun. Both cars are fantastic to drive so 9/10 for both
4. The R32 sounds superb and running it on V-Power and Tesco 99 everyone says it sounds like a rally car
My ED30 did'nt sound so bad either ... nothing like the V6 but it had a nice deep rasp at idle and sounded quite purposeful when pressing on. In comparison my 1st standard GTi sounded like a tractor at idle and never sounded as good as the ED 30.
So 10/10 for the R32 , 8/10 for the ED30 and 6/10 for the GTi.
R32 Plus points :
1. Getting away from a standstill with 4WD and DSG : it's just TOO easy
2. The sound of the exhaust
3. The "catapult" feel you get as you boot it away from corners and roundabouts
Minus points
1. MPG
2. Vehicle Tax
3. Weight
ED 30 plus points :
1. Handling is more fun (lighter and more nimble)
2. The turbo "punch" after around 3250rpm
3. Cheap to remap
Minus Points
1. Traction
2. Traction !
3. Not much else
My conclusion : I would be happy with either a ED30 or R32, they both edge out the standard GTi IMHO.
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Well, I've had 2 Scoobies, and currently have a mk5 gti.
The Subaru has had its day - they were fantastic motors. Both of mine were modded and were monsters. They screamed at you "DRIVE ME, DRIVE ME, DRIVE ME!!!".
The downside? Expensive to run compared to the VAG stuff. Poor image now. Cheap/plasticy interior.
Pros? The sound. Ballistic performance and handling that leaves them all for dead apart from the Evo. Sorry guys. They are also BULLET-proof unless you mistreat it.
Try the new ones - meh. Unimpressed.
IMHO, the next best thing that is a better all-rounder is the R32. or if you have more money than you know what to do with, the Evo :smiley:
If you need to know anything about the Scoobs, gimme a PM - I was heavily into them for 10 years! :grin:
Dan :smiley:
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An R32 or ED30 for me.
Both great cars, in a different way :grin:
Here's an old comparison I wrote just after getting my R32 last year :-
Well I've just switched to a new R32 after owning an ED 30 GTi, and before that a Mk V GTi, so feel I should share my experience with you
All cars were standard with no remaps
1. Pace - The R32 is still running in and feeling quicker each week. Nevertheless the ED30 "felt" more punchier after 3500rpm, especially in 3rd and 4th gear. In comparison the R32 just oozes low down power and delivers smooth accelaration all the way to the red line with no turbo "punch". I reckon performance is very similar in a straight line on a dry road. So 8/10 for both cars. The standard GTi felt slighty less powerful at higher revs and a bit slower at motorway speeds so 7/10.
2. Guzzling gas
The ED30 managed an overall 27.36mpg average for me (with plenty of city commuting) over 12500 miles
The R32 is managing an overall 24.12mpg so far (and steadily improving) after 1600 miles (same roads etc as ED30)
The standard GTi managed 28.9mpg overall
So 6/10 for the ED30, 4/10 for the R32 and 7/10 for the standard GTi
3. The driving experience is completey different between the two cars, but both very enjoybale. The R32 with it's Haldex 4wd is just incredible for traction - you can boot it out of side roads, exiting roundabouts and away from the lights with no fuss or wheelspin. On the move the R32 feels heavier and less "chuckable" than the GTi but with awesome amount of grips around corners. The GTi by comparison feels lighter and more nimble, but tractions can be a problem at times and you have to learn to feather the throttle to avoid wheelspin. Uphill in the wet or even damp I could still get a little wheelspin in 3rd (no remap either).
Have to say this is difficult to score, the R32 scores best for traction & grip but the GTi scores better for chuckability and fun. Both cars are fantastic to drive so 9/10 for both
4. The R32 sounds superb and running it on V-Power and Tesco 99 everyone says it sounds like a rally car
My ED30 did'nt sound so bad either ... nothing like the V6 but it had a nice deep rasp at idle and sounded quite purposeful when pressing on. In comparison my 1st standard GTi sounded like a tractor at idle and never sounded as good as the ED 30.
So 10/10 for the R32 , 8/10 for the ED30 and 6/10 for the GTi.
R32 Plus points :
1. Getting away from a standstill with 4WD and DSG : it's just TOO easy
2. The sound of the exhaust
3. The "catapult" feel you get as you boot it away from corners and roundabouts
Minus points
1. MPG
2. Vehicle Tax
3. Weight
ED 30 plus points :
1. Handling is more fun (lighter and more nimble)
2. The turbo "punch" after around 3250rpm
3. Cheap to remap
Minus Points
1. Traction
2. Traction !
3. Not much else
My conclusion : I would be happy with either a ED30 or R32, they both edge out the standard GTi IMHO.
Hi thanx a lot for the awesome write up. Well I guess the "punch" in the R32 could be settled with a remap? Possible to fetch about 310HP from a Stage 1? Wild guess lol :grin: :laugh:
IMHO, the next best thing that is a better all-rounder is the R32. or if you have more money than you know what to do with, the Evo :smiley:
Dan :smiley:
I agree with you! Since I'm gonna have to keep this car for another 5 years or more, I'm thinking the R32 would be a safe bet, plus a remap! :evil: :evil:
And yea, the current production of Subaru's are not very impressive. I was expecting better actually.
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No real gains from a remap alone on the R32 I'm afraid (non turbo) ... maybe 260bhp at best :sad:
http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/5023-whats-needed-300bhp.html
but don't let that put you off the R32 as every bit of the available bhp is useable all of the time with the AWD.
If you want a good all rounder, either Golf is a great choice.
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My brother has a wrx and he has made it very clear that he thinks our golf gti pirrelli is a better allround car. The wrx is more hardcore the golf is a lot more refined and stylish. At the end of the day that is the choice.
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No real gains from a remap alone on the R32 I'm afraid (non turbo) ... maybe 260bhp at best :sad:
http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/5023-whats-needed-300bhp.html
but don't let that put you off the R32 as every bit of the available bhp is useable all of the time with the AWD.
If you want a good all rounder, either Golf is a great choice.
My goodness, no turbo? I'm truly disappointed now! I was thinking it was turbo'ed!
Well, in my place here, if you're caught with a turbo or supercharger in your car when its factory NA, the car will be confiscated. And you will get a jail term and a hefty fine as well.
So the only way I can "live" happily is to get a Turbo'ed car.
Sadly, it seems that the R32 is out now :cry:
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Why does it *have* to have a turbo?
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I suggest you go do some proper research if you though the R32 was a turbo :rolleyes:
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I went for a test drive in an R32 before and to be honest, who needs a turbo when you have all of your power available all the time! It was amazing. Put your foot down and it goes from quietly trundling along to roaring down the road instnatly. And that engine noise :evil: The DSG box is fantastic too. It's my dream car for sure.
Besides, you cna always get the R32 turbo'd for a few grand more :evil:
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Can you even get hold of an Edition 30 or Pirelli edition in Singapore?
If not you would be looking at some serious money to get a standard GTI to a performance level you'd be happy with.
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Why does it *have* to have a turbo?
well the reason it has to have a turbo is because in my country, we don't have the freedom of modification. And what I mean by that is, if your car comes stock NA, then you can only mod it the NA way, you can't convert it to FI. The traffic laws here are very tough and stringent. If you're caught with such a mod on the engine, the car will be confiscated. And to make it worse, you'll get a hefty fine plus a jail term.
And another reason it must "have" a turbo is because on my current ride, I actually Turbo'ed it! Thus I would very much like my next car to have a turbo in it!
I suggest you go do some proper research if you though the R32 was a turbo :rolleyes:
My apologies if I sound noobish. As a matter of fact I am when it comes to euro cars. I was totally head over heals with the GTI that I forgot the small bit about the R32 being an NA ride :embarassed:
Can you even get hold of an Edition 30 or Pirelli edition in Singapore?
If not you would be looking at some serious money to get a standard GTI to a performance level you'd be happy with.
Sadly, and patheticaly there is no edition 30 here. But there were 2 Perelli's here which are already sold off. And I can bet my last dollar that the owners are holding on tight to them!!!
Could I just ask, kindly pardon me if I sound stupid but, if you were to put the R32 and GTI (either mk5 or mk6) side by side, both stock, who'll have the upper hand?
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R32.
The golf GTI mkV is the lighter, more lively of the two.
The R32 has 4wd and is therefore heavier, but is also more powerful.
If you remapped both, the GTI would be faster on the straights, the R32 faster in corners.
It is very much a subjective choice, but when limited to GTI or R32 I'd tip in the favour of the R32......just! :smiley:
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What I meant was, it's fast enough, why would you need to mod it to have a turbo? If you are buying a car to heavily modify it I would have thought you would have realised the R32 wasn't a turbo before you began considering it?
Why does it *have* to have a turbo?
well the reason it has to have a turbo is because in my country, we don't have the freedom of modification. And what I mean by that is, if your car comes stock NA, then you can only mod it the NA way, you can't convert it to FI. The traffic laws here are very tough and stringent. If you're caught with such a mod on the engine, the car will be confiscated. And to make it worse, you'll get a hefty fine plus a jail term.
And another reason it must "have" a turbo is because on my current ride, I actually Turbo'ed it! Thus I would very much like my next car to have a turbo in it!
I suggest you go do some proper research if you though the R32 was a turbo :rolleyes:
My apologies if I sound noobish. As a matter of fact I am when it comes to euro cars. I was totally head over heals with the GTI that I forgot the small bit about the R32 being an NA ride :embarassed:
Can you even get hold of an Edition 30 or Pirelli edition in Singapore?
If not you would be looking at some serious money to get a standard GTI to a performance level you'd be happy with.
Sadly, and patheticaly there is no edition 30 here. But there were 2 Perelli's here which are already sold off. And I can bet my last dollar that the owners are holding on tight to them!!!
Could I just ask, kindly pardon me if I sound stupid but, if you were to put the R32 and GTI (either mk5 or mk6) side by side, both stock, who'll have the upper hand?
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I do agree that a 3.2l v6 is fast, no doubt about that. But the reason I'd like a turbo car is because on my current car(na), I turbo charged it. I would love to get an R32 but after awhile I'll revert back to doing what I did before. Wasting time and money charging it. I would definately super charge it if my place gave me the freedom of modifications but sadly I don't. So the only way for me to enjoy the golf will the either the mk6 or mk5! Sadly the r32 isn't charged! It'll be a monsterous whip otherwise lol!
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Do you think it would be better if I'd to get the mk5 and have done to a stage 2 or maybe even 3, to a mk6?
What are your thoughts and opinions?
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There's a PI at my place that has stock on the pirelli gti. So now I wanna ask you guys, given a choice between the Pirelli gti and the new mk6, which would you decide on?
My heart says the Pirelli gti all the way!
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You carn't really compare an Evo or an older shape Sti with any of the Golf's they are just simply a better car. Not it terms of luxury maybe, Put performence wise they just blow the others away
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You carn't really compare an Evo or an older shape Sti with any of the Golf's they are just simply a better car. Not it terms of luxury maybe, Put performence wise they just blow the others away
true! I agree but they don't have the elegance and style and interior quality as compared to the gti's. I went down to take a look at some evos and subarus, bhp aside, they look good on the outside, but the moment i sit in, all my mojo is lost!
But in the gti, everywhere looks and feels good!
If i'm going to keep this car for a good while, I want to feel good all the time! Even when i'm at my bad days, once I sit in my car, it's got to make me feel good and happy again!
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Personally I'd opt for the Pirelli Edition. :cool:
K04 power and a few mods with a remap would make it a MKVI eater anyday :evil: