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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Golf R on 17 November 2009, 18:15
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The Doc was showing off his polished-up car, a 2002 911 turbo in blue over on the Mk5 section.
I commented that they sell for about £28,000, about the same price a well specified Mk6 GTI.
Which would you rather have?
(GTI for me any day, no room for the dog)
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I'd have the 911...as long as I can also have a family car and a motorbike.
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I'd have the 911...as long as I can also have a family car and a motorbike.
You forgot the motorhome and 4WD
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GTI - the 996 is the ugliest 911 and the running costs are ridiculous.
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I mucked about with the idea of a 6 yr old low milage 911 (996) C4S convertible tiptronic - already in my family - very well maintained - still chose the gti mark 6 - makes more sense on so many levels
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I mucked about with the idea of a 6 yr old low milage 911 ...................
I don't believe for a minute you hummed and hawed about a 911
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The Doc was showing off his polished-up car, a 2002 911 turbo in blue over on the Mk5 section.
I commented that they sell for about £28,000, about the same price a well specified Mk6 GTI.
Which would you rather have?
(GTI for me any day, no room for the dog)
i think the interior is a bit dated but cant argue with that. think of what it cost(911) only 7 yrs ago- so its a bargain. not v practical though. i myself would prefer a 997 and u could get one for 35 grand. 911 is a 911- no questions about it. i recently saw a 2003 gt3 for 34 grand- sold but great car. at the end of the day a golf costs 23+grand and a 911 turbo is 100 grand!!
have a 911 if you got something else more practical. or if you're single and young.
GTI - the 996 is the ugliest 911 and the running costs are ridiculous.
i dont think people buying a 911 are concerned with the petrol costs. 911 aint all about the look, its more than that. its even more of an icon than a gti.
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The Doc was showing off his polished-up car, a 2002 911 turbo in blue over on the Mk5 section.
I commented that they sell for about £28,000, about the same price a well specified Mk6 GTI.
Which would you rather have?
(GTI for me any day, no room for the dog)
And there was me thinking you hated the mk6 GTI, Crabster
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i dont think people buying a 911 are concerned with the petrol costs. 911 aint all about the look, its more than that. its even more of an icon than a gti.
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I don't think 911 is that bad looking esp. the current one. I always wanted one and this is mine! I am over the moon when I manage to buy one at last! A Gen 2 997 Carrera C2S
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w13/caymans34/herbie1/997-4.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w13/caymans34/herbie1/IMG_0514.jpg
Its is more practical than most other 2+2 coupe and the rear visibilty is better than some hothatch. Mine can do 30mpg The rear seat can seat two under 7s easily. (Im only 5'9) It is easy to park and drive. They don't date as badly as other cars cause like a Golf GTI, each new model change very little on the outside!
You do need the 4wd version if you intend to use it on a daily basis.
A 996 Turbo is quite robust and they are more reliable than most other supercars of that age group. Fuel consumption is not too bad. Servicing cost is less than a grand. However, if anything mechanical go wrong, the cost can shock you!
I personally will buy a mk6 GTI and wait for a few years for the new Gen 2 997 turbo price to come down!
0-60 3.4s 0-100mph 7s and can still do 25mpg! Staggering! http://www.youtube.com/user/autocar#p/u/5/ZHAkQ1s129w
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Wouldnt take the 996.. but give me 997 instead of any golf, anyday :evil:
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Like A7, I'd have to have a family car as well if I chose the Porka. I know I wouldn't have much of a fight with the missus if I said we're getting a Porka :evil:
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Test drove second-hand 996 C4S and 997 C2S before deciding on the Golf R.
Amazing cars - an itch I will no doubt scratch in the future!
But, not really fair to compare 7 year old car with new car. Running costs on the 911 would be significantly higher, but depreciation would be significantly lower. I did a spreadsheet and whole life costs over 3 years would be about the same for both a 5 year old 997 C2S and a brand new Golf R.
However, I prefer the exclusivity of the Golf R (911s are pretty common round me) and the extra practicality. Also, like the peace of mind of a brand new car.
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Prices have risen steadily for the last 6 months, you'd be lucky to find any 996tt fir under £34k these days, unless it's tat. Depreciation probably £5k in thenext 3 years compared to £11k on a GTI but you'll need the difference in running costs. Tyres £800 every 15k miles, servicing £1k pa without any extras. Brakes are about £500 diy, £900 at an indi and£1400 at an OPC. Great cars, very useable( I have friends with two small children that havedone 4000 mile euro touring/camping/ 'ring holidays with avoid bit of planning and packaging) but remember it's a £80k sportscar and parts and running costs reflect that.
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Trade in a 2002 996 and you'll be offered £24,500 by Parker and Parker in Kendal. I know :wink:
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Here are the figures I came up with (over 3 years):
| 2005 | New | 2008 |
| 997 C2S | VW Golf Mk6 R | VW Golf Mk5 R32 |
| Purchase price | £40,000.00 | £34,000.00 | £21,000.00 |
| Residual value | £30,000.00 | £17,000.00 | £12,000.00 |
| Depreciation | £10,000.00 | £17,000.00 | £9,000.00 |
| Insurance | £2,400.00 | £1,500.00 | £1,500.00 |
| Servicing | £1,000.00 | £250.00 | £500.00 |
| Warranty | £4,050.00 | £- | £500.00 |
| Tyres | £3,000.00 | £1,000.00 | £1,000.00
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| MPG | 20 | 35 | 30 |
| Miles | 30,000 | 30,000 | 30,000 |
| Fuel Price | £1.10 | £1.10 | £1.10 |
| Fuel Cost | £7,500.90 | £4,286.23 | £5,000.60 |
| Total Cost | £27,950.90 | £24,036.23 | £17,000.60 |
| Yearly Cost | £9,316.97 | £8,012.08 | £5,666.87 |
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Here are the figures I came up with]
Well now you've got me looking at used 997's! :laugh: Seriously though, I'd love a 993 C2S as a weekend project/track car. But as a daily I like to drive something less conspicuous.
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I've been looking at some 996 Turbo X50's and haven't yet found one in a condition I'd be happy to sink my money into.
Last one I looked at needed about £8k of servicing/ work doing to it just to bring it up to par :shocked:
The plus side is that the X50 version is equivalent to the ED30 on a GTI and remaps straight to 600bhp :evil:
The temptation of a Golf R is still at the back of my mind though :wink:
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Trade in a 2002 996 and you'll be offered £24,500 by Parker and Parker in Kendal. I know :wink:
about right , they would no doubt just move t on within the trade. Had it been a few years newer then they'd put it out on the forecourt for £8-10k over trade-in price.
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Great cars, the 996...just don't think you can run one on a budget.
I wouldn't have run mine without the Porsche Extended Warranty (£1350 for a C4S) which also meant keeping up the PSH, but it was sublime to drive...just not exactly fluid tight!
It's an itch I had to scratch...people tell you that you can run one everyday...I found that you couldn't...
And if it goes wrong, you are looking at some very big numbers to make it right.
The interior may well be poor (it is!) but that matters not one bit when you actually drive it.
Worth doing though...just not sure I'll do it again in a hurry.
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If you guys fancy a 911, save up for the the late 997 gen 1 or gen 2. (The interior quality is leagues ahead when compare with 996) You can drive these car everyday (My boss does in his 997 Turbo) but you need to be covered by a very comprehensive warranty. Any mechanical breakdown (Clutch, gearbox), expect 4 figures bill! If you kerb the Carrera Sport 19s and fancy a new one from your local Porsche centre-£850 exc. tyres!
When they brought out the 986 boxster in 1996 and 996 in 1997, Porsche was in deep crisis. It tells when you compare the cars they replaced---993, 968(These car got interior build like a tank). When they brought out the 997 and 987, they are one of the most profitable car company in the world. They got money to improve everything wrong about with the 996!
The only 996 I will buy is the 996 GT3 (2003 model). Most road tester rate it as one of the best 911 ever. The engine block originate from the Le mans race car in 1997 and had been proven to be very reliable. Although there is not much electric gizmo in the car, this means less thing that will go wrong!
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If you guys fancy a 911, save up for the the late 997 gen 1 or gen 2. (The interior quality is leagues ahead when compare with 996) You can drive these car everyday (My boss does in his 997 Turbo) but you need to be covered by a very comprehensive warranty. Any mechanical breakdown (Clutch, gearbox), expect 4 figures bill! If you kerb the Carrera Sport 19s and fancy a new one from your local Porsche centre-£850 exc. tyres!
I agree about the quality of the 997 vs 996 interior...but the 996 interior isn't actually bad to live with. The leather scuffs no more or less than the 997 stuff, everything works...it's just less showy.
The 997 looks better inside...but in daily life, works no better...and in some ways the 'cooking' 997s are less 911 like in their drive - so if you want a normal car that looks like a 911 - get a 997.
If you want a car that behaves like a 911 of old with all the nose bobbing, pitching about the diagonal etc that they are known for...get a 996 or earlier.
All Porsche wheels are expensive!
996 GT3 Mk2 / C4S GT3 style wheels are nearly £1000 each...and they are 18s!
The only 996 I will buy is the 996 GT3 (2003 model). Most road tester rate it as one of the best 911 ever. The engine block originate from the Le mans race car in 1997 and had been proven to be very reliable. Although there is not much electric gizmo in the car, this means less thing that will go wrong!
The C4S was also hightly rated as one of the best 911s ever...and costs substantially less to run/repair than a turbo.
also worth considering for sheer point to point pace.
Sadly, it's the additional stuff that goes on 996s - coolant radiators, air con radiators, coil packs...and they are common GT3/the rest...so although getting a GT3 will probably remove the RMS issue (solved in the main part by fitting a revised 997 seal) you are still at the mercy of the rest.
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I agreed--Driving a 997 gen 2 in normal road, it's very hard to tell whether it is a rear or mid-engine when compare with a 996. Unless you drive the car when the PASM in sport mode; you can then feel the nose bobbles on bumpy corners when pressing on.
My point is owning a 911 is a dream that can be realised if one work hard enough. If one wants to run a Ferrari or Lambo you need much deeper pockets!
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I agreed--Driving a 997 gen 2 in normal road, it's very hard to tell whether it is a rear or mid-engine when compare with a 996. Unless you drive the car when the PASM in sport mode; you can then feel the nose bobbles on bumpy corners when pressing on.
Yup, spot on.
I found Gen 1 PASM too harsh for NE Scotland roads in sport mode...it was FAR harder than the 996 with factory Lowered & Uprated Chassis kit.
Too hard to use...
Gen II (facelift 997) is much 'better'.
My point is owning a 911 is a dream that can be realised if one work hard enough. If one wants to run a Ferrari or Lambo you need much deeper pockets!
Absolutely...
mine didn't cost anymore to run in terms of petrol, tyres, brakes, bushes/track rod ends etc than my 8L S3 did over the same timeframe/milage.
Naturally the insurance was a bit higher (£200-300 PA) and the Warranty was expensive (£1350) but the day to day running was not.
The two you mention, or an Aston Martin, are in a whole different league. The 4 yearly 'Big' 996 service was £890...my mate paid £1800+ for his 1st (1 year) service on his Vantage. No thanks...
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Hard to believe they charge that sort of money just for an oil and filter change! After talking myself out from buying a Ferrari last year (Ok mileage F430+a rubbish car vs Low mileage F355+Golf GTI vs New Gen2 997 C2S+Golf GTI) everytime I saw a red F430, I still wonder whether I made the right choice!
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After talking myself out from buying a Ferrari last year (Ok mileage F430+a rubbish car vs Low mileage F355+Golf GTI vs New Gen2 997 C2S+Golf GTI) everytime I saw a red F430, I still wonder whether I made the right choice!
But everytime you see a service bill, you know you made the right choice!
I would say Ferrari running costs = Porsche running costs x 2 or 3.
Heaven forbid you ever need to replace parts for stone chip damage on one of the red things...headlight cost? Windscreen cost? Ouch!
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You are quite right! A Ferrari can only be a third car. I hope I can have one one day!
One thing I am absolutely sure is picking the Golf GTI over the Focus RS and Mazda MPS. My 1st GTI really surprise me. Im in love with it already. No wonder it got such a wide fan base!
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I would defo have the Porsche :cool:
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I would defo have the Porsche :cool:
Why do you have a little quad then?
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Here are the figures I came up with (over 3 years):
| 2005 | New | 2008 |
| 997 C2S | VW Golf Mk6 R | VW Golf Mk5 R32 |
| Purchase price | £40,000.00 | £34,000.00 | £21,000.00 |
| Residual value | £30,000.00 | £17,000.00 | £12,000.00 |
| Depreciation | £10,000.00 | £17,000.00 | £9,000.00 |
| Insurance | £2,400.00 | £1,500.00 | £1,500.00 |
| Servicing | £1,000.00 | £250.00 | £500.00 |
| Warranty | £4,050.00 | £- | £500.00 |
| Tyres | £3,000.00 | £1,000.00 | £1,000.00
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| MPG | 20 | 35 | 30 |
| Miles | 30,000 | 30,000 | 30,000 |
| Fuel Price | £1.10 | £1.10 | £1.10 |
| Fuel Cost | £7,500.90 | £4,286.23 | £5,000.60 |
| Total Cost | £27,950.90 | £24,036.23 | £17,000.60 |
| Yearly Cost | £9,316.97 | £8,012.08 | £5,666.87 |
You left out road tax .
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Those figures are just barmy.
£250 to service a Golf R over 3 years???
I'll bet the spreadsheetist is a civil servant.
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Those figures are just barmy.
£250 to service a Golf R over 3 years???
Isn't that the offer from VW at the moment?
3 years servicing for £250?