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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: spenny_b on 26 October 2009, 22:53
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Hi folks, newbie here....Been reading various posts on this forum for the last week or so in anticipation of ordering my next company car.
After a 3 day test drive, pretty sure I want to go the GTD route, and have quite possibly secured a model that a dealer has already got in stock (as opposed to a 28wk leadtime!!...no orders can be placed over the allocation for 2009, which has now been reached, until the new year)
The model in question in 90% the spec I was wanting anyway; eg. it has the RCD510, but it doesn't have the Dynaudio option, nor DAB.
DAB I can live without - was going to spec it for the sake of £165 simply to play with new gadget, and now I read you don't have to sacrifice the MDI, even better.
The Dynaudio upgrade (or lack of), is a pity - not a show stopper, but something I want to look at overcoming.
I'll have the car on a 4yr lease, so don't mind dipping into my own pocket to upgrade (and not paying BIK for the next 4yrs on it!).
The question is, to spec the Dynaudio from the configurator is +£340. Is it possible to buy and retrofit the compoents from VW after taking delivery of the car? If so, does anyone have an idea on cost for the parts (don't mind installing myself, done many installs over the years)
From what I read, it's speakers and amp(s)....
1) is it a single amp that's multichannel (I read 8 channel?).
2) Does the speaker pack include subs, or is it combined woofer/midrange + tweeter upgrades?
3) I know Porsche have been using optical MOST bus for some years to link up amps and CD Changers to the head unit - Is that the same for the Mk6 HU to amp, or is it still good old RCA's?
Likewise, can a DAB kit be added after the car has been built?
Many thanks in advance,
Spencer.
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Welcome to the forum Spencer! :smiley:
Cant say i know the answer to either of your questions, but I would imagine that any ICE specialist would be able to build you a custom set up for a similar price. Something that I have wanted to look into previously, but never got around to.
I would have thought you could achieve something similar if not better with a amp under the passenger seat and upgraded speakers.. so not to spoil the original look. Dynaudio badges probably available from ebay :lipsrsealed: :cool:
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Spencer, I know the guys that have Dynaudio reckon it's the biz but they have just ponied up for it. The standard stereo sounds great and I have driven demonstrators with Dynaudio which sounded only marginally better. I wouldn't worry about it.
An ICE specialist will probably be able to come up with something even better than the Dynaudio if you're an audiophile.
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Spencer, I know the guys that have Dynaudio reckon it's the biz but they have just ponied up for it. The standard stereo sounds great and I have driven demonstrators with Dynaudio which sounded only marginally better. I wouldn't worry about it.
An ICE specialist will probably be able to come up with something even better than the Dynaudio if you're an audiophile.
there's always something better, but a Blaupunkt rcd 510 with dynaudio for the money is a superb buy.
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I'm sure Dynaudio wouldn't put their name to any old rubbish, but i wonder how good the components are ? - lets be honest it doesn't take much to better the paper coned, foam suspended, minute coiled stock speakers.
Buying the components from parts department is going to be silly money - if the factory want £340 extra you can bet the parts will be £500+
People say the amplifier in the head units are poor, and invariably they are compared to a Pioneer or Alpine HU, but its always the speakers that are the weakest link.
Whether i'll bother to change my speakers i don't yet know - i have a set of DLS components that will probably fit very nicely in the front doors. Time will tell
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I like some of the other members on here have the Dynaudio and dab fitted to my car,its better than standard but like has been said if you go to a ICE specialist they will be able to supply and fit something as good or better for no more than £500.I had a sonyhead unit and alpine component speaker set in my old car,it cost me £500 supplied and fitted about 10 years ago and was of equal quality.
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I like some of the other members on here have the Dynaudio and dab fitted to my car,its better than standard but like has been said if you go to a ICE specialist they will be able to supply and fit something as good or better for no more than £500.I had a sonyhead unit and alpine component speaker set in my old car,it cost me £500 supplied and fitted about 10 years ago and was of equal quality.
Agreed. I've used Alpine headunits on and off for 15 years - far superior to anything VW have ever supplied. Having said that the RCD510 + Dynaudio will be more than adequate for me. You only really notice the difference between sounds systems if you compare them back-to-back. Which you're never going to do in a car.
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Thanks for the info guys.
I went across to the dealer I'm negotiating with, yesterday afternoon. I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that swapping out stock speakers for Dynaudio pack is not a simple or cost effective mod.
The lady there (who was remarkably clued-up - prob the best dealer rep I've spoken to!) was saying it'd also be door card swaps to accommodate the additonal pair of speakers (and by the way she was describing it, she was referring to tweeters)
Nonetheless, I've asked her to hassle her parts dept to dig around and get back to me with prices.
I'll give Car Audio & Security a buzz and see what they recommend in terms of aftermarket speakers/amp.
Agree with thoughts that it's the speakers that are the weakest link in *most* systems - the headunit (RCS510) I love, integrates well with iPod, and above all I want to keep it stock looking, so that isn't going to figure in any upgrade plans unless I look at the RNS510 (unlikely).
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You only really notice the difference between sounds systems if you compare them back-to-back. Which you're never going to do in a car.
In my opinion, Mac makes a great point here. Notwithstanding I'm as deaf as a post, I feel you can only compare when you hear one system and then another with the same media. Of course volume, filters, speakers and indeed the cabling do have an input [and cost money] but is it worth it?
Selfeshly, for me, no - I'll be lucky if I cover 5K/year and my commute is pretty short so I won't necessarily /notice/ much difference. But, you guys who are in your cars a lot, are not corned beef and do like your music will go up the audio ladder.
Ava
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You only really notice the difference between sounds systems if you compare them back-to-back. Which you're never going to do in a car.
In my opinion, Mac makes a great point here. Notwithstanding I'm as deaf as a post, I feel you can only compare when you hear one system and then another with the same media. Of course volume, filters, speakers and indeed the cabling do have an input [and cost money] but is it worth it?
Selfeshly, for me, no - I'll be lucky if I cover 5K/year and my commute is pretty short so I won't necessarily /notice/ much difference. But, you guys who are in your cars a lot, are not corned beef and do like your music will go up the audio ladder.
Ava
Can't agree with that at all, I used to drive a Saxo VTS, I know that GTI drives better and its impossible for me to drive 2 cars at once to compare. I used to have a £500 quid Technics Hi-Fi stereo, I now have thousands of pounds worth of seperates and I know they are better, I didnt have to listen to them side by side to tell.
The dynaudio speakers and amp upgrade is already an upgrade to the standard system, its just VW are fitting it. You could technically class it as aftermarket as nothing from the system is standard VW.
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I used to have a £500 quid Technics Hi-Fi stereo, I now have thousands of pounds worth of seperates and I know they are better, I didnt have to listen to them side by side to tell.
I'd agree with you there Kev, up to a point. What I was trying to say is that I get used to what I'm listening to, so I don't really notice the difference until I'm given something significantly better/worse to compare with.
Back to back, I could clearly hear the difference between the Dynaudio and standard systems but if I had to live with the standard system, I'd get used to it and not notice. I've got the standard VW kit in my Passat and it's fairly average, but I've got used to it.
However, although separates will undoubtably be superior to an all-in-one Technics, a more expensive sound system might not necessarily sound better than a lower cost one - because our experience of sound is subjective.
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You only really notice the difference between sounds systems if you compare them back-to-back. Which you're never going to do in a car.
In my opinion, Mac makes a great point here. Notwithstanding I'm as deaf as a post, I feel you can only compare when you hear one system and then another with the same media. Of course volume, filters, speakers and indeed the cabling do have an input [and cost money] but is it worth it?
Selfeshly, for me, no - I'll be lucky if I cover 5K/year and my commute is pretty short so I won't necessarily /notice/ much difference. But, you guys who are in your cars a lot, are not corned beef and do like your music will go up the audio ladder.
Ava
Can't agree with that at all, I used to drive a Saxo VTS, I know that GTI drives better and its impossible for me to drive 2 cars at once to compare. I used to have a £500 quid Technics Hi-Fi stereo, I now have thousands of pounds worth of seperates and I know they are better, I didnt have to listen to them side by side to tell.
The dynaudio speakers and amp upgrade is already an upgrade to the standard system, its just VW are fitting it. You could technically class it as aftermarket as nothing from the system is standard VW.
Firstly, driving and hearing are two completely different things and aren't comparable.
Secondly, more money, even vastly more money will not guarantee you a better sound although it will probably assure you more headroom and probably more features. I've read write ups of blind tests of multi-£10K systems against £300 Yamaha receivers and the listener could not hear a difference. Speakers will sound different (sometime a lot, sometimes not) but hardware is unlikely to or it'll be so subtle that you'd need ideal listening conditions (e.g. not in a car at the very least) to discern them.
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You only really notice the difference between sounds systems if you compare them back-to-back. Which you're never going to do in a car.
In my opinion, Mac makes a great point here. Notwithstanding I'm as deaf as a post, I feel you can only compare when you hear one system and then another with the same media. Of course volume, filters, speakers and indeed the cabling do have an input [and cost money] but is it worth it?
Selfeshly, for me, no - I'll be lucky if I cover 5K/year and my commute is pretty short so I won't necessarily /notice/ much difference. But, you guys who are in your cars a lot, are not corned beef and do like your music will go up the audio ladder.
Ava
Can't agree with that at all, I used to drive a Saxo VTS, I know that GTI drives better and its impossible for me to drive 2 cars at once to compare. I used to have a £500 quid Technics Hi-Fi stereo, I now have thousands of pounds worth of seperates and I know they are better, I didnt have to listen to them side by side to tell.
The dynaudio speakers and amp upgrade is already an upgrade to the standard system, its just VW are fitting it. You could technically class it as aftermarket as nothing from the system is standard VW.
Firstly, driving and hearing are two completely different things and aren't comparable.
Secondly, more money, even vastly more money will not guarantee you a better sound although it will probably assure you more headroom and probably more features. I've read write ups of blind tests of multi-£10K systems against £300 Yamaha receivers and the listener could not hear a difference. Speakers will sound different (sometime a lot, sometimes not) but hardware is unlikely to or it'll be so subtle that you'd need ideal listening conditions (e.g. not in a car at the very least) to discern them.
Of course not directly comparable, but the principal is the same.
I wish I couldnt tell the difference between £300 and £10k, then I could save myself £9.7k. I wish a Fiesta did 150mph and look the bollox, and I could save myself £20k.
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Firstly, driving and hearing are two completely different things and aren't comparable.
Secondly, more money, even vastly more money will not guarantee you a better sound although it will probably assure you more headroom and probably more features. I've read write ups of blind tests of multi-£10K systems against £300 Yamaha receivers and the listener could not hear a difference. Speakers will sound different (sometime a lot, sometimes not) but hardware is unlikely to or it'll be so subtle that you'd need ideal listening conditions (e.g. not in a car at the very least) to discern them.
Of course not directly comparable, but the principal is the same.
Actually, no, the principles are not the same. Maybe you should read up on psychoacoustics.
I wish I couldnt tell the difference between £300 and £10k, then I could save myself £9.7k. I wish a Fiesta did 150mph and look the bollox, and I could save myself £20k.
And if you did do some reading, you'd understand that just knowing that the equipment you are listening to costs £10K will, without a shadow of a doubt, influence your opinion of what you are hearing and how good it is. This has been proven time and again. What has also been proven time and again, is that generally speaking, most well designed digital equipment sounds just about the same as any other well designed digital equipment no matter what the differences are in prices and, even when there are differences, they tend to be very subtle.
That's not to say that spending more is always waste as it's not; there are other reasons to spend more money besides the non-existent "better sound" that include build quality, longevity , more power and headroom, more functionality, nicer aesthetics, and better support.
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Firstly, driving and hearing are two completely different things and aren't comparable.
Secondly, more money, even vastly more money will not guarantee you a better sound although it will probably assure you more headroom and probably more features. I've read write ups of blind tests of multi-£10K systems against £300 Yamaha receivers and the listener could not hear a difference. Speakers will sound different (sometime a lot, sometimes not) but hardware is unlikely to or it'll be so subtle that you'd need ideal listening conditions (e.g. not in a car at the very least) to discern them.
Of course not directly comparable, but the principal is the same.
Actually, no, the principles are not the same. Maybe you should read up on psychoacoustics.
I wish I couldnt tell the difference between £300 and £10k, then I could save myself £9.7k. I wish a Fiesta did 150mph and look the bollox, and I could save myself £20k.
And if you did do some reading, you'd understand that just knowing that the equipment you are listening to costs £10K will, without a shadow of a doubt, influence your opinion of what you are hearing and how good it is. This has been proven time and again. What has also been proven time and again, is that generally speaking, most well designed digital equipment sounds just about the same as any other well designed digital equipment no matter what the differences are in prices and, even when there are differences, they tend to be very subtle.
That's not to say that spending more is always waste as it's not; there are other reasons to spend more money besides the non-existent "better sound" that include build quality, longevity , more power and headroom, more functionality, nicer aesthetics, and better support.
:laugh: You must be a barrel of laughs down the pub on a Sat night.
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:laugh: You must be a barrel of laughs down the pub on a Sat night.
You'd be surprised ;)
But usually I'm at home enjoying my £20K AV system in my living room. :laugh:
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:laugh: You must be a barrel of laughs down the pub on a Sat night.
You'd be surprised ;)
But usually I'm at home enjoying my £20K AV system in my living room. :laugh:
Should have spent £200, wouldnt have been able to tell the diff.
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Dragging this back somewhere closer to the topic....
I'm not sure I'm crazy about the 310, and I might consider an upgrade if I didn't have to have that big 510 screen on my dashboard. The 310 has all the funcionality I want, I'm just not sure about the sound quality.
I've been playing a particular CD a lot, which I have as an iPod transfer. It's OK, but somehow lacks some je ne sais quoi. At the weekend I was in the car belonging to the friend who owns the actual CD, and she had it in her car stereo. It definitely sounded better. Cheaper, older car though.
Perhaps it's due to the difference between the native CD and the .m4p conversion?
Rolfe.
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Perhaps it's due to the difference between the native CD and the .m4p conversion?
Rolfe.
Yeah it could very well be. Can you not try the original CD and see what that sounds like?
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Dragging this back somewhere closer to the topic....
I'm not sure I'm crazy about the 310, and I might consider an upgrade if I didn't have to have that big 510 screen on my dashboard. The 310 has all the funcionality I want, I'm just not sure about the sound quality.
I've been playing a particular CD a lot, which I have as an iPod transfer. It's OK, but somehow lacks some je ne sais quoi. At the weekend I was in the car belonging to the friend who owns the actual CD, and she had it in her car stereo. It definitely sounded better. Cheaper, older car though.
Perhaps it's due to the difference between the native CD and the .m4p conversion?
Rolfe.
It could be a bad encoding but most probably she had better speakers and/or better acoustics in her car.
FWIW, audio memory is fickle and if you are lucky, subtle differences will be retained for 5 seconds or so and after that any comparison you make will be more or less pointless. Larger differences will be retained for longer but not as much as you'd think. But even how you've slept or your mood can have a big influence on how you perceive a sound so unless you are comparing one system with another side-by-side, the comparison is pretty much pointless anyway.
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:laugh: You must be a barrel of laughs down the pub on a Sat night.
You'd be surprised ;)
But usually I'm at home enjoying my £20K AV system in my living room. :laugh:
Should have spent £200, wouldnt have been able to tell the diff.
Actually my digital audio stuff was bought with features, power and quality in mind; and those cost $$$. Speakers will always sound different although you don't need to spend the earth for good sounding ones - having said that, some of the best I've heard were £40K but waaaay too big for my house.
Unfortunately, a big chunk of what you hear is actually the environment the speakers are played in so there are limits on what speakers, any speakers for that matter, can accomplish when fitted into a car. It's why I didn't order the Dynaudio. Not that I think they wouldn't be better as they probably would be but I'm guessing that a back to back audition wouldn't show such a huge difference that the cost would imply. A good digital EQ system would probably help much more.
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:laugh: You must be a barrel of laughs down the pub on a Sat night.
You'd be surprised ;)
But usually I'm at home enjoying my £20K AV system in my living room. :laugh:
Should have spent £200, wouldnt have been able to tell the diff.
Actually my digital audio stuff was bought with features, power and quality in mind; and those cost $$$. Speakers will always sound different although you don't need to spend the earth for good sounding ones - having said that, some of the best I've heard were £40K but waaaay too big for my house.
Unfortunately, a big chunk of what you hear is actually the environment the speakers are played in so there are limits on what speakers, any speakers for that matter, can accomplish when fitted into a car. It's why I didn't order the Dynaudio. Not that I think they wouldn't be better as they probably would be but I'm guessing that a back to back audition wouldn't show such a huge difference that the cost would imply. A good digital EQ system would probably help much more.
40k for speakers,boy you`d be pi ssed if you later found out you had poor hearing,you think they would give you a refund ? :grin:
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:laugh: You must be a barrel of laughs down the pub on a Sat night.
You'd be surprised ;)
But usually I'm at home enjoying my £20K AV system in my living room. :laugh:
Should have spent £200, wouldnt have been able to tell the diff.
Actually my digital audio stuff was bought with features, power and quality in mind; and those cost $$$. Speakers will always sound different although you don't need to spend the earth for good sounding ones - having said that, some of the best I've heard were £40K but waaaay too big for my house.
Unfortunately, a big chunk of what you hear is actually the environment the speakers are played in so there are limits on what speakers, any speakers for that matter, can accomplish when fitted into a car. It's why I didn't order the Dynaudio. Not that I think they wouldn't be better as they probably would be but I'm guessing that a back to back audition wouldn't show such a huge difference that the cost would imply. A good digital EQ system would probably help much more.
40k for speakers,boy you`d be pi ssed if you later found out you had poor hearing,you think they would give you a refund ? :grin:
Id 2nd that. For £400 and a blindfold he'd have just as good a sounding system.
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided: Sure it sounds different to the stock system, but that doesn't mean its any more an accurate representation of the original sound.
Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.
Suppose its the age of the ipod - massively compressed music played through piddly headphones - hifi nirvana these days :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided:
How do you know this?
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided: Sure it sounds different to the stock system, but that doesn't mean its any more an accurate representation of the original sound.
Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.
Suppose its the age of the ipod - massively compressed music played through piddly headphones - hifi nirvana these days :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
An analogy could be wine or .... women [!]; the beauty [or sound] is in the eye [or ear]?? of the beholder.
Ava [who wouldn't know a £100 bottle of wine from one costing 10% as much]
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided: Sure it sounds different to the stock system, but that doesn't mean its any more an accurate representation of the original sound.
Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.
Suppose its the age of the ipod - massively compressed music played through piddly headphones - hifi nirvana these days :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Rolfe, please let me call him a tw@t, please ? If you think its a bad Idea then let me know and I wont.
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^ You're on your own there! Anyway, he just said women are superior, do you really expect me to disagree? :rolleyes:
It could be a bad encoding but most probably she had better speakers and/or better acoustics in her car.
FWIW, audio memory is fickle and if you are lucky, subtle differences will be retained for 5 seconds or so and after that any comparison you make will be more or less pointless. Larger differences will be retained for longer but not as much as you'd think. But even how you've slept or your mood can have a big influence on how you perceive a sound so unless you are comparing one system with another side-by-side, the comparison is pretty much pointless anyway.
I could borrow the CD back and try it.
It's a piece of music we're performing next weekend with our choir, and so several of us have it on continuously in our cars. I got into hers on Sunday night to go to choir practice, wasn't thinking about it, but I immediately thought it sounded better in her car. I didn't take any note of make or model of car! I wasn't trying to compare, it was an unsolicited opinion delivered by my auditory cortex.
Rolfe.
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided:
I think the most expensive stereo system I've listened to had a price tag of almost £200,000. It was all way overpriced of course but those JBL Everest speakers were awesome.
Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.
Actually, unless a speaker cable or interconnect is badly designed it will sound just the same as any other. Expensive esoteric audio cables that are marketed at the technically ignorant and gullible are another unfortunate sign of the "age of the ipod". And FWIW, lossless iPod audio will sound as good as audio from just about any other hardware - assuming you have it playing on good IEM instead of those standard iPod buds.
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided:
I think the most expensive stereo system I've listened to had a price tag of almost £200,000. It was all way overpriced of course but those JBL Everest speakers were awesome.
Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.
Actually, unless a speaker cable or interconnect is badly designed it will sound just the same as any other. Expensive esoteric audio cables that are marketed at the technically ignorant and gullible are another unfortunate sign of the "age of the ipod". And FWIW, lossless iPod audio will sound as good as audio from just about any other hardware - assuming you have it playing on good IEM instead of those standard iPod buds.
ah, contentious issue cheap verses high end cables!
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Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system :undecided:
I think the most expensive stereo system I've listened to had a price tag of almost £200,000. It was all way overpriced of course but those JBL Everest speakers were awesome.
Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.
Actually, unless a speaker cable or interconnect is badly designed it will sound just the same as any other. Expensive esoteric audio cables that are marketed at the technically ignorant and gullible are another unfortunate sign of the "age of the ipod". And FWIW, lossless iPod audio will sound as good as audio from just about any other hardware - assuming you have it playing on good IEM instead of those standard iPod buds.
ah, contentious issue cheap verses high end cables!
It is only contentious among those that do not know what they are talking about. ;)
Any audio or electronic engineer worth their salt will tell you the same.
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Well in that case most of the journalists who write for any AV mag/website don't know what they are talking about?
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Well in that case most of the journalists who write for any AV mag/website don't know what they are talking about?
Yes, or they are pandering to the esoteric audiophile industry that pays for the advertising and hence the salaries of those same journalists.
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I just listen to what my ears tell me - and my cables do reveal more detail. I certainly can't hear, for example, the peddles of a piano moving on any of my ipods, or my partners mini hifi set up, or lesser cables in my system. Whether you want to is a matter of personal taste. Whether my set-up is everyones idea of what the original should sound like is another matter again.
Back on subject then...Dynaudio...
better quality components than the stock speakers - tick ?
better positioning of the components - possibly ?
better mounting of the components - probably not
better sound - probably
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Well in that case most of the journalists who write for any AV mag/website don't know what they are talking about?
Thats true.
(ex Arcam engineer) :wink:
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I just listen to what my ears tell me - and my cables do reveal more detail.
Actually that's not your ears, it's your mind modifying your perception of what you hear. Seriously, it's been tested to death and I've yet to read of a blind test where anyone has been able to tell the difference between one set of cables and another but beforehand they would have sworn on their kids lives that they could.
What you will find very rarely is that some of the more expensive esoteric cable manufacturers will insert some electronics in the cables that alter the sound in some way like attenuate the higher frequencies. A bizarre thing to do really considering that they always claim "transparency" or some such tosh when in fact they are using the cable as a crude EQ device. I mean, seriously, if you want to EQ something you don't use a cable to do it.
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I just listen to what my ears tell me - and my cables do reveal more detail.
Actually that's not your ears, it's your mind modifying your perception of what you hear. Seriously, it's been tested to death and I've yet to read of a blind test where anyone has been able to tell the difference between one set of cables and another but beforehand they would have sworn on their kids lives that they could.
What you will find very rarely is that some of the more expensive esoteric cable manufacturers will insert some electronics in the cables that alter the sound in some way like attenuate the higher frequencies. A bizarre thing to do really considering that they always claim "transparency" or some such tosh when in fact they are using the cable as a crude EQ device. I mean, seriously, if you want to EQ something you don't use a cable to do it.
Adrian, do you have a Golf GTI ?
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Actually that's not your ears, it's your mind modifying your perception of what you hear. Seriously, it's been tested to death and I've yet to read of a blind test where anyone has been able to tell the difference between one set of cables and another but beforehand they would have sworn on their kids lives that they could.
For others in this thread, In the frequency range we are talking about, upto around 20Khz cables/connectors are defined by there LCR properties, thats inductance, capacitance and resistance, nothing more. These are at such a low magnitude below lengths of 50Metres of cable that they are insignificant unless you have a bad joint, oxidisation on terminals etc.
(E&E R&D engineer) :wink:
What you will find very rarely is that some of the more expensive esoteric cable manufacturers will insert some electronics in the cables that alter the sound in some way like attenuate the higher frequencies. A bizarre thing to do really considering that they always claim "transparency" or some such tosh when in fact they are using the cable as a crude EQ device. I mean, seriously, if you want to EQ something you don't use a cable to do it.
We lol when we took a MIT cable tobits.
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We lol when we took a MIT cable tobits.
Do tell!
Rolfe.
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MITinterconnect :grin:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/IMG_2272.jpg)
Those do effect LCR. :wink:
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Wow!! :laugh:
Rolfe.
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MITinterconnect :grin:
Those do effect LCR. :wink:
Bizarre that people want to buy rubbish like that and at an extremely high premium too.
Adrian, do you have a Golf GTI ?
Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG; from what I can tell, this model approximates a UK GTI in basic kit and options minus some of the styling and of course the engine. Here a GTI costs around £45,000 and my 1.4 TSI set us back around £36,000.
Oh, and FWIW, I think the standard speakers sound pretty good for a car set up. Definitely not harsh like I've heard on other standard car systems and I certainly do not regret not going for the Dynaudio speakers.
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Glede seg over din ny bil. :grin:
I hope the grammer is correct.
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Jeg kan ikke tro det koster så mye penger, men ja, du kvinnene er svært attraktive :evil:
(Don't you just love Google Translate)
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Glede seg over din ny bil. :grin:
I hope the grammer is correct.
Buggered if I know dude, I'm Welsh.
:laugh:
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Jeg kan ikke tro det koster så mye penger, men ja, du kvinnene er svært attraktive :evil:
(Don't you just love Google Translate)
Yes, crazy prices. No idea what Norway will do when they eventually enter the EU either. But at least I can sell my 9 year old S60 for £16,000. ;)
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Buggered if I know dude, I'm Welsh.
:laugh:
fedda 'ch 'n grai car :grin:
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Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG; from what I can tell, this model approximates a UK GTI in basic kit and options minus some of the styling and of course the engine. Here a GTI costs around £45,000 and my 1.4 TSI set us back around £36,000.
That is the equivalent of a Golf GT in the UK.
Different options to the GTI
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Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG; from what I can tell, this model approximates a UK GTI in basic kit and options minus some of the styling and of course the engine. Here a GTI costs around £45,000 and my 1.4 TSI set us back around £36,000.
That is the equivalent of a Golf GT in the UK.
Different options to the GTI
I thought so at first too but looking at the UK configuration tool, there are a number of differences in options, not least of which are the engines you are allowed to have in the GT. Maybe it's difficult to compare like with like.
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Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG; from what I can tell, this model approximates a UK GTI in basic kit and options minus some of the styling and of course the engine. Here a GTI costs around £45,000 and my 1.4 TSI set us back around £36,000.
That is the equivalent of a Golf GT in the UK.
Different options to the GTI
I thought so at first too but looking at the UK configuration tool, there are a number of differences in options, not least of which are the engines you are allowed to have in the GT. Maybe it's difficult to compare like with like.
You've lost me :laugh:
However my Uk GT has "Highline" on one of the sticker codes.
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Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG; from what I can tell, this model approximates a UK GTI in basic kit and options minus some of the styling and of course the engine. Here a GTI costs around £45,000 and my 1.4 TSI set us back around £36,000.
That is the equivalent of a Golf GT in the UK.
Different options to the GTI
I thought so at first too but looking at the UK configuration tool, there are a number of differences in options, not least of which are the engines you are allowed to have in the GT. Maybe it's difficult to compare like with like.
You've lost me :laugh:
However my Uk GT has "Highline" on one of the sticker codes.
Isn't that just what they call the computer?
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Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG;..........................
That is the equivalent of a Golf GT in the UK.
Different options to the GTI
I thought so at first too but looking at the UK configuration tool, there are a number of differences in options, not least of which are the engines you are allowed to have in the GT. Maybe it's difficult to compare like with like.
You've lost me :laugh:
However my Uk GT has "Highline" on one of the sticker codes.
Isn't that just what they call the computer?
Eh?? But you have just said your golf is called a Golf Highline.
Yes Highline is what they class as the computer but it is also what they class as a trim level abroad.
ie. in UK we get Golf S, SE, Bluemotion, GT and then the GTI / GTD
Abroad it comes in Trendline, Comfortline, Highline and GTI / GTD
That is why your Golf Highline is the equivalent as a UK GT and why my GT has a sticker on it stating "Highline"
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Yesterday we took delivery of a Candy white Golf Highline with DSG;..........................
That is the equivalent of a Golf GT in the UK.
Different options to the GTI
I thought so at first too but looking at the UK configuration tool, there are a number of differences in options, not least of which are the engines you are allowed to have in the GT. Maybe it's difficult to compare like with like.
You've lost me :laugh:
However my Uk GT has "Highline" on one of the sticker codes.
Isn't that just what they call the computer?
Eh?? But you have just said your golf is called a Golf Highline.
Yes Highline is what they class as the computer but it is also what they class as a trim level abroad.
ie. in UK we get Golf S, SE, Bluemotion, GT and then the GTI / GTD
Abroad it comes in Trendline, Comfortline, Highline and GTI / GTD
That is why your Golf Highline is the equivalent as a UK GT and why my GT has a sticker on it stating "Highline"
Yes, they call it the "Highline" model here and it has the highline dash computer but I thought that in the UK the only thing they call "Highline" is the dash computer so I'm a little surprised that you have a "highline" sticker. But there are difference in trim/options still I think; for instance, the winter pack is not an option and it's standard here.
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Erm,
Thanks for the interest in the topic, folks, but I'm still not a lot closer to answering my original questions. We seem to have strayed waaay off topic with a debate about the merits (or lack of) of opting for hi-fi upgrades! :laugh: :grin:
Thinking a few well-played eBlag bids for an amp and some new Rainbow component speakers may be the way forward; at least come re-sale time they're pretty generic to all cars rather than a Mk6 Golf.
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Yes, they call it the "Highline" model here and it has the highline dash computer but I thought that in the UK the only thing they call "Highline" is the dash computer so I'm a little surprised that you have a "highline" sticker. But there are difference in trim/options still I think; for instance, the winter pack is not an option and it's standard here.
Sorry Spenny_b your right its way off topic but at least the subject line is being bumped for you :grin:
Adrian, I have a highline sticker like all other GT owners in the UK because the GT and Highline are one of the same.
Yes there are differences between them like the winter pack, but that is country specific.
Its the same in all models. i.e. the GTI in the UK doesn't get certain extras that other countries GTI's do get as standard but they are both GTI's
I don't know VW's logic in naming their cars differently from the ones abroad but your highline is the same as the UK's GT.
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Yes, they call it the "Highline" model here and it has the highline dash computer but I thought that in the UK the only thing they call "Highline" is the dash computer so I'm a little surprised that you have a "highline" sticker. But there are difference in trim/options still I think; for instance, the winter pack is not an option and it's standard here.
Sorry Spenny_b your right its way off topic but at least the subject line is being bumped for you :grin:
Adrian, I have a highline sticker like all other GT owners in the UK because the GT and Highline are one of the same.
Yes there are differences between them like the winter pack, but that is country specific.
Its the same in all models. i.e. the GTI in the UK doesn't get certain extras that other countries GTI's do get as standard but they are both GTI's
I don't know VW's logic in naming their cars differently from the ones abroad but your highline is the same as the UK's GT.
Ah, okay. Well, glad we cleared that up then. :wink: