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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Neo Badness on 10 October 2009, 17:26
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I am about to change my engine from 16v Kr to ABF in next few weeks.
Going to keep the mk2 16v 2Y(?) original gearbox to save on faff of changing to hydrualic/ pedal box etc out of mk3
Now from what I can gather reading other threads you match the clutch to the G/box which would mean that I get a mk2 clutch(?)
Need to replace my current one as after less than 1k on on a techniclutch "fastroad" it's slipping like an absolute pig again. From what I can gather techniclutches are made from chocolate but I got it free with the car when I bought it...Only found this out once it was fitted :sad:
Thinking about getting a sachs clutch but any suggestions or recommendations for a new clutch? Not going to be going nuts with conversion, changing over to EFI, filter, 4 branch, decent exhaust.... No crazy power.... For now...
Also going to take my brave pills and have a bash at fitting it myself as now fitted my own coilovers!! With a little help from Fat Boab :smiley:
Any help/suggestions gratefully recieved. Oh and not wanting to spend 300.00 on a clutch either.
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yep use the mk2 clutch and flywheel and the sachs one should be fine with your setup
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Cheers for that. Will check out my local motofactor
Going to look over my haynes manual and see what I need for changing clutch.
Fingers crossed....
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Anyone know of a reason why my clutch would start slipping after 1-2k? there isn't any adjustment to make is there? Has a self adjusting cable.
Just when I bought the car it had a slipping clutch and the one removed was proper knackered, wouldn't have somehow damaged it causing car rto wear out a clutch quicker?
69.00 quid plus the VAT for an OEM clutch. Thinking I might need to bite the bullet and get my pet grease monkey to change it for me as I'm installing a (another) bathroom this week and I am back at work on monday :sad:
69.00 quid plus the VAT plus fitting for an OEM clutch sound about right?
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self adjusting cabel is the problem it overadjusted and ether buggerd or in process of buggering the clutch
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Cheers for the knowledge DP... Will have a look...
Just so happens I may have one lurking in the cupboard, a self adjusting clutch cable I hasten to add...
Will see if I can fit that as that's a whole lot less ball ache/ expense than changing a clutch.
That's my friday night taken care of then.... :grin:
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self adjusting cabel is the problem it overadjusted and ether buggerd or in process of buggering the clutch
Went and had a look at this today, according to Haynes manuel, it's fine. Pump pedal 5 times then if you can still push the release arm down, it's ok. (?) Did this today and can still push arm down a couple of times then goes tight. Is it the self adjuster that's knackered?
As mentioned clutch has only done 1-2k at most since being fitted.
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it may be the damage is allready done then. was a new cabel fitted when you had the clutch fitted ? if not the cabel may have been happily over adjusting causeing reduced clamping pressure on the friction disk but now the friction disk may have worn more than the adjustement in the cabel hence the play returns
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it may be the damage is allready done then. was a new cabel fitted when you had the clutch fitted ? if not the cabel may have been happily over adjusting causeing reduced clamping pressure on the friction disk but now the friction disk may have worn more than the adjustement in the cabel hence the play returns
I don't honestly know if cable was changed at the time, obviously the person who did it would be on holiday, hopefully back tomorrow so I can ask. Reckon I'd have a comeback as he's a proffesional mech' and was done at the shop through the books? SHould it be done at the time?
Would be great if the car could go a week without breaking
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Fook me was it October that this whole crap storm started?
Had a loan of a car in the interim nut need to get my finger out and get this sorted.
Found out that guy who changed my clutch didn't change the cable at the time as he was "trying to save me money", WTF!?! Why would I cheap out on an 8.00 cable when spending 120.00 fitting a clutch? Basically the geezer doesn't want to know. He also left the speedo cable grommet out so 'box dribbled fluid all over the drive. All this from a guy I've taken my cars to for 10yrs, so much for loyalty eh? :evil: He's said he would call me back and call me back etc so going to get it sorted elsewhere as I just want my car to work FFS.
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also when box is off make sure input shaft seal & pushrod bush & seal are done, if any o that is worn you can get box oil all over your shiny new clutch. may be what has happened here. oem sachs clutch is good gear, plus its a complete kit with everythign you need, new pp bolts, spline grease etc. before you buy anything, get underneath and check the gearbox code, no telling if its the original
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also when box is off make sure input shaft seal & pushrod bush & seal are done, if any o that is worn you can get box oil all over your shiny new clutch. may be what has happened here. oem sachs clutch is good gear, plus its a complete kit with everythign you need, new pp bolts, spline grease etc. before you buy anything, get underneath and check the gearbox code, no telling if its the original
Cheers for reply RJ
Yeah was thinking OEM clutch as I've been trying to replace all the sh!te with vw parts to get some reliabilty back into the car and keeping the "good" aftermarket bits konis etc.
G/box code should be 2Y but this is stamped on the underside(?) Will price an OEM clutch kit from VW, expensive I imagine but, I get a 15% discount so might be worth while.
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yeah if you look on bottom o gearbox theres a flat plate, thats where the box code and date of manufacture are stamped :)
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Cool will get on it, it's a bit of a mission getting a jack under it as it's so low at the mo, but i have a plan. :smiley:
As someone who's changed a few clutches, is it easy enough to do yourself?
I was looking for a how to but didn't find it.
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its not particularly hard, just box is heavy and space is tight. apart from the obvious bits to unbolt, what you do is rotate the box so the diff is pointing straight up, then drop it out from underneath. I found it helped to lower the engine at the gearbox end while its still bolted up, then unbolt the 2 brackets from the box before trying to remove it from the engine. Oh and dont forget the tin shield underneath between box & sump, and the other one round the back just above the driver side driveshaft
tip for reassembly, get the driveshafts in position as soon as you can, if you arn't careful they end up trapped below the box and they wont go back into place! alternatively you can unbolt the balljoints from the bearing carriers and then you can swing the struts out a bit to give you room to faff with the shafts.
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Cheers RJ, I've printed that reply to refer to :smiley:
for aligning the clutch, any trick to it or just a case of rebolting it as it was when opened the box? Assuming it was done right first time :grin:
You don't need to remove the box completely you just need to jiggle it apart (technical term) to get access to get the clutch/ pressure plate etc out?
I've been speaking to my friend of a friend who has just completed his new garage, it's got an inspection pit! Hopefully get in there to do the work. Will take photo's as I go I think.
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clubgti has a good faq post on thise, really helps. prob wont be able to leave box in, not much room! with clutch aligning, its enough to do it by eye. as long as its close enough to allow you to bolt the box on, its all good, as soon as you press the clutch pedal it'll self-centre anyway.
oh and a trick from broke on getting pressure plate bolts out, I use a similar method but rather than using a flywheel bolt I found a suitable casting on the PP to hook the spanner onto:
(http://www.brokevw.com/pic%20036ws.jpg)
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Cheers RJ, interesting stuff.
Been geeking out over Broke vw for past few hours. Will have a look at the FAQ tomorrow night when I get a min.
Thinking about lashing the cash to get this http://www.madmotors.co.uk/catalog/black-clutch-golf-8392-p-16836.html anyone any experience?
Will continue you with research and getting this garage organised, roll on the brighter evenings so I can get more done :smiley:
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ouchie, is your engine quite uprated then? I just have boggo sachs kit on mine and it works great. but then, it is std!
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ouchie, is your engine quite uprated then? I just have boggo sachs kit on mine and it works great. but then, it is std!
I dunno, I've never had it running 100% to find out :grin: Don't think it's got anything other than std power. 4 branch, home ported/knifed t/b, 140hp maybe? Tried to source a OEM sachs kit but obsolete from dealers as of Dec 09 :rolleyes: Haven't spoken to my motofactor yet though, will do that lunchtime.
Pet hate is a slippy clutch so might take a belt and braces approach if it means I don't need to replace it for 50-70k and it gets a fair amount of abuse.
Will be changing my g/box fluid at the same time... Cause the fun never stops with 20yr old cars :wink:
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abf is 150bhp std :cool:
as i say i have std abf in mine and the sachs kit copes with it just fine, certainly a lot cheaper than that! choice is yours at the end of the day :)
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abf is 150bhp std :cool:
as i say i have std abf in mine and the sachs kit copes with it just fine, certainly a lot cheaper than that! choice is yours at the end of the day :)
Yeah :cool:, I have an ABF waiting to go in at some point when funds allow. Sachs clutch seems to cost about 500.00 from their website :shocked: But think that's the fancy "performance" one blah blah. Where did you get your one from may I ask? It's my birthday in a week and may ask for a clutch kit :grin:
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Contact user Mattneck(Beavis) on here and he can sort you out. He got my sachs clutch for about £80 :)
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yep matt is the way to go, or contact Veew service direct:
http://www.vwsonline.co.uk/car_parts_bristol/
the sachs kits are a bit more than comparable LUK kits, but they're actually better value for money since they come with new pressure plate bolts (these are use-once), proper clutch spline grease, release plate & spring. LUK kits I've seen just have the basic pressure plate, friction disc and release plate.
I've not found anywhere that does the PP bolts on their own either, so VAG only!
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PM'd mattneck(beavis) last night re sourcing a clutch kit. Also read his build thread too, pretty impressive.
RJ so I have to order pressure plate bolts from VW as they are not included in the sachs kit?
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the sachs kits I'#ve had all had the bolts in, it was the LUK kits that didnt have em. confirm with mattneck tho! I got mine from AVS in the past, but VWS ones prob the same :)
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the sachs kits I'#ve had all had the bolts in, it was the LUK kits that didnt have em. confirm with mattneck tho! I got mine from AVS in the past, but VWS ones prob the same :)
Spoke to VW other day and they advised that OEM clutch (pressure plate) went obsolete 12/09 :evil: Merd. They said it'd have to be after market. Had no response from Mattneck via pm. Haven't a huge amount of time at the mo. But car is in getting a waterpump/ timing belt today.
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Get back to you today-been trying to categorise the website-looong :cry:
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Get back to you today-been trying to categorise the website-looong :cry:
No worries...
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by VWS I meant VeeW services, i.e. mattneck ;)
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by VWS I meant VeeW services, i.e. mattneck ;)
Cool, I dunno what the sketch is, he's seem pretty busy at the mo'.
Had phone call from garage today saying that there was no thermostat in the car when they removed the waterpump!? :shocked: Yet the cooling fan comes on and the temp gauge on dash goes to the middle, if that. They are going to put a new one back in but anyone ever heard of this before?
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In the past few days I have heard of loads of mk2's which have missing thermostats. dunno whats going on lol.
Must be that time of year when people are realising they aint got no heat!!
Oh and Sachs oem ftw!
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In the past few days I have heard of loads of mk2's which have missing thermostats. dunno whats going on lol.
Must be that time of year when people are realising they aint got no heat!!
Oh and Sachs oem ftw!
Cheers, yeah bought a new heater matrix/ heater pipes too so should be nice and toasty in time for spring :grin:
Trying to locate a Sachs OEM clutch in Scotland is proving more of chore than I thought....