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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: lee_lee08 on 08 October 2009, 11:43
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I just did a search on VOSA. I wasn't aware that you could view all old MOT's using their website until reading through this forum. Now realise that I should have just left well alone!
Date of test: 11/07/2007
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 138,146 Miles
Test number: 334692697166
Test station name: FORMULA AUTO CENTRES
Test station number: V100964
Test station telephone number: 02089040305
Test class: IV
Test expiry date: 23/07/2008
Advisory Notice issued
Offside Inner Front constant velocity joint gaiter deteriorated (2.5.C.1a)
Date of test: 18/01/2008
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 72,860 Miles
Test number: 221508318051
Test station name: NICHOLAS MOTORS
Test station number: 17213
Test station telephone number: 02088557393
Test class: IV
Test expiry date: 17/01/2009
Advisory Notice issued
Nearside Front Macpherson strut has slight movement at the upper attachment (2.5.A.1c)
With the most recent MOT pass certificate Issued:
Date of test: 23/04/2009
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 89,566 Miles
Test number: 233843519428
Test station name: MAYPOLE MOTORS SURBITON LIMITED
Test station number: 17768
Test station telephone number: 020 8399 5544
Test class: IV
Test expiry date: 22/04/2010
No Advisory Notice issued
I bought the car using RAC's data check, because they are able to see if the cars registered stolen, all documentation for the vehicle is legit, mileage discrepancies.
Nothing untoward showed up, I even have the certificate saying no mileage discrepancy known according to the National Mileage Register.
Yet VOSA state otherwise. My cars odometer when I bought it was showing 71,000 its now showing 91,000 and yet according to the information supplied from VOSA its MOT in 2007 showed 138,000......So should now be reading close to 160,000 My cars covered almost double the mileage its showing. And yet the condition wouldn't state the obvious!
P*ss*d! :angry:
How has this gone unnoticed by RAC / National Mileage Register AND VOSA??????
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Would also be good to find out why there isnt 12 months between tests!
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Wild guess but did the clocks fail and it is a replacment set.
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Are Nicholas motors just a testing station or do they also sell cars?
Looks like a "clocking" to me!
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Are Nicholas motors just a testing station or do they also sell cars?
Looks like a "clocking" to me!
No tyre dealer: http://www.thomsonlocal.com/Nicholas-Motors/225HGKD4/map/companyinfo.html
Not being funny but is any garage / dealer going to risk clocking a car these days.
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LMFAO @ Waynes sig
On a different note my birthday is the 11/7 :smiley:
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Wayne you have a great deal of time on your hands! :grin:
I just think its very dodgy just by looking at the MOT dates.
Looks like a dealer got it tested for a sale and maybe replaced the clocks at same time!
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Seems a bit "fishy" to me.
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Oh and if I wanted any dodgy work doing I would go to a tyre place!
Replacing clocks in my eyes is tant amount to clocking!
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Oh and if I wanted any dodgy work doing I would go to a tyre place!
Replacing clocks in my eyes is tant amount to clocking!
Yes and no, clocks on mk3 are known to give trouble so maybe they broke and were replaced, I know that the last owner should have said something but if your honest, with selling a car you want as much money as poss.
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Would also be good to find out why there isnt 12 months between tests!
cos it was off the road, my old 2 didnt have tests every 12 months :wink:
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Just a random guess here! but when the car changes hands don't you say how many miles its done at date of transfer? Surely some one would of spotted it otherwise?
Do you know if its undergone an engine swap? the old engine did 138k then a new one was put in that did 73k?
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I will have this issue putting the vr in, he engine has done less miles by half, it needs new clocks to go to 169mph. So it will look clocked. But I will tell the new owner if it came to selling it.
Personally I reckon it's clocked. As new dials for the old one failing involves new transponder keys and ecu, or it ring Deimobilised.
But I well! It's in your favour come sell time. Life goes on.
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Mikester, why don't you get someone to change the mileage to what the engine has covered?
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I bought a second set of clocks but because I didnt want to pay £80 to get them reset took em out again!
Would also be good to find out why there isnt 12 months between tests!
cos it was off the road, my old 2 didnt have tests every 12 months :wink:
I realised that was the obvious answer but if that was the case it should have had a SORN notice which should also show up.
As some may know I have a Pug Mi16 in my garage for the last 4 years! No MOT but always been SORN'd :wink:
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Personally I reckon it's clocked. As new dials for the old one failing involves new transponder keys and ecu, or it ring Deimobilised.
I didnt have any issues, just changed the clocks, no need to change anything else!
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Did you get any service history or paperwork with the car at all.
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Mikester, why don't you get someone to change the mileage to what the engine has covered?
your missing the point, the new clocks come from
a vr6. They are different to 8v clocks hence needing to swap the
. And so the new clocks with the new engine miles won't be the same as the cars miles on the last mot. Making it look clocked.
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I got some Colour Concept clocks that read approx 155k
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Mikester, why don't you get someone to change the mileage to what the engine has covered?
your missing the point, the new clocks come from
a vr6. They are different to 8v clocks hence needing to swap the
. And so the new clocks with the new engine miles won't be the same as the cars miles on the last mot. Making it look clocked.
Oh I see, sorriez.
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I got some Colour Concept clocks that read approx 155k
and.....? You want a medal? :lol:
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Just dont understand why you keep saying that 8v clocks cant be used in a 16v because you are wrong!
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Just dont understand why you keep saying that 8v clocks cant be used in a 16v because you are wrong!
I guess I am wrong but did the speedo not read higher on a 16v.
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8 and 16v clocks both work fine in either model although the 8v only go to 140mph (not 160!)...but vr one's don't correctly due to the lower rev's of the v6.
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@Mikester, I'd put any new clocks to the mileage of the car, not engine. The car, chassis etc. has traveled that far, I'd stick a sticker on the door shut or something saying the mileage difference of the engine.
Maybe it's been clocked, maybe it's had new clocks. Check dash screws etc. and see if they are slightly chewed as if they have been removed. Surely pedal wear etc. will tell you right, or maybe the MOT guy made a mistake on that MOT, we're all imperfect.
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@Mikester, I'd put any new clocks to the mileage of the car, not engine. The car, chassis etc. has traveled that far, I'd stick a sticker on the door shut or something saying the mileage difference of the engine.
+1 that is what I would do plus have seen it done that way.
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Drivers seat bolster is still in excellent condition (I know these usually wear around the 100k mark) as my friends 5 door GTi has done with 123k on the clocks. All the rubber covers on pedals still look fine, no excessive wear at all.
I have to say I was fooled completely by the mileage, as everything would suggest its only done around 90k. Seat belts still snap back into position relatively quickly.
The only thing that was suspicious was the fact it had an MFA stalk on the car yet the speedo didnt have the function to display that information, ie MPG, time, Oil temp etc I didn't know what this button was for till I came on here and asked.
I put it down to it possibly having a new indicator stalk as the old one snapped off. The replacement having this MFA button attached. I now know the clocks have been swapped instead.
With RAC not having found anything funny on National mileage register I bought the car.
The thing is when I come to sell the car and the buyer looks on VOSA as I have done they will know the mileage is fake. And I'll end up with someone banging my door down for their money back, As I would do.
And Im not dishonest. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, YET this f*kka got away with it. :angry:
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Drivers seat bolster is still in excellent condition (I know these usually wear around the 100k mark) as my friends 5 door GTi has done with 123k on the clocks. All the rubber covers on pedals still look fine, no excessive wear at all.
I have to say I was fooled completely by the mileage, as everything would suggest its only done around 90k. Seat belts still snap back into position relatively quickly.
The only thing that was suspicious was the fact it had an MFA stalk on the car yet the speedo didnt have the function to display that information, ie MPG, time, Oil temp etc I didn't know what this button was for till I came on here and asked.
I put it down to it possibly having a new indicator stalk as the old one snapped off. The replacement having this MFA button attached. I now know the clocks have been swapped instead.
With RAC not having found anything funny on National mileage register I bought the car.
The thing is when I come to sell the car and the buyer looks on VOSA as I have done they will know the mileage is fake. And I'll end up with someone banging my door down for their money back, As I would do.
And Im not dishonest. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, YET this f*kka got away with it. :angry:
Did you buy from a garage, also they may have changed the clocks for a genuine reason the fact they have no mfa confirms they are wrong as all GTI's have mfa as standard.
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No private seller, which is why I got it HPi checked.
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I feel for you mate, my GL was a Cat D write off but I didn't find this out until a year later, it has happened the year before I bought it but I wasn't told. Stupidly I didn't bother to do a check on the car, but I will for the future now. It's a shame when people can't just be honest about everything. Whoever sold it must of known something about the clocks being changed, regardless if it was a genuine reason or not.
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The clocks have been changed. 100%
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The fact I cant seem to grasp is why it passed unnoticed to National Mileage Register and RAC! Yet a simple search online shows every MOT performed on the car since 20/07/2005 The mileage recorded back then 119,785 Miles.
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Yes the 8v clocks only go up to 140mph! I wonder why? :grin:
But since even a 16v can only do 135 mph then it dont really matter does it! :smug:
Lee what you need to do is find a set of 16v clocks with a closer mileage on (unlikely) or get a set and have them changed. Best price I found for this was approx £80 so didnt follow it up.
But if you do this and find it cheaper let me know! :wink:
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The fact I cant seem to grasp is why it passed unnoticed to National Mileage Register and RAC! Yet a simple search online shows every MOT performed on the car since 20/07/2005 The mileage recorded back then 119,785 Miles.
I might be wrong but here goes, the NMC and RAC would use records from the DVLA as when you sell the car you fill in the milleage at date of sell, they do not use the VOSA record.
Might seem daft but I was told the same by a friend in the trade.
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I only ever filled in the mileage on one car I bought (and Escort), and had that wrong by about 10k :D Never made any difference. It went to scrap just after I got my Golf ;)
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whe my bro-in-law was looking for a vr we found one that said it had 90k on the clock, but when we done the online MOT checks, it came back as having done over 200k.
when we told the guy he was in shock as it was all done before he bought it, needless to say we never bought the car.
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you dont need to record milage at date of sale it optional same as adding your driver licence number to the v5
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@Mikester, I'd put any new clocks to the mileage of the car, not engine. The car, chassis etc. has traveled that far..
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I am suprised Maypole Motors did not point this out, they are normaly pretty fussy :smiley:
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if it makes you feel any better, my dash board clocks have stopped working, so it's not unheard of to get them changed...