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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: FroGTI on 18 September 2009, 18:58
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After umming and ahhing for the last couple of weeks, and having grilled you senseless on which company to go with and when to do it, I decided to book a Revo remap for tomorrow. I was coming over to England anyway tomorrow for a bit of shopping and so I thought I may as well get the remap over & done with. The guy I spoke to really seemed to know what he was talking about and put my mind at rest regarding warranty and other issues. He said they had done a MB S600 a couple of weeks ago that had only 22 miles on the clock and managed to get 850hp out of it :nerd:
Anyway, I will be happy if they give me the 275hp they promise on their website. I will report back on Sunday once I'm back in France.
Wish me luck for the operation :embarassed:
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good luck! i'll be very interested to know how you get on once you have had it done as i'm seriously contemplating having my car chipped as well. report back asap :laugh:
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You won't regret it froggy, it takes the car up a lovely notch!
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You won't regret it froggy, it takes the car up a lovely notch!
Thanks for your words of reassurance. I'm just sitting having my Weetabix before heading for the Channel Tunnel and I must admit to feeling a little nervous. The GTI is possibly the nicest car to drive that I've ever owned and I don't want them to b*gger everything up. I always knew, though, that 210hp was never going to be quite enough for me, so here goes nothing...
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Genuinly excited for you and can't wait to hear what it's like as based upon your experience I'm going to get ours done as well.
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Good luck fella!! I for one was going to do exactly the same thing today.. only im down south and would rather go to someone local just incase of any issues.
Do report back and let us know how you get on though:smiley:
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Ooh...when's he back?
When's he back?
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I would imagine later on today..
Think i will schedule mine in later this week hopefully. At the moment its just not quick enough... or maybe its just me having to adjust my driving style a little. Find the GTI has to be driven considerably harder to get to the same kind of speeds as the R.
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what did they say about the warranty? how did they reassure you?
also how about insurance?
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what did they say about the warranty? how did they reassure you?
also how about insurance?
I made sure it was included in my insurance before I got my policy. I havent spoken to them yet.. but being a Seat dealer I assume they are fairly familiar with VAG cars and part, and probably worked on this engine before. So aslong as they assure me that they will fix any issues that are the cause of the remap I think I should be fine. :smiley: (i hope)
In all honesty I am not that worried about remap related problems. Having spent over 2yrs over onthe MK5 board, lots and lots of people have had remaps and revo seemed to be the company of choice for a number of reasons. With no one reporting any problems :smiley:
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Genuinly excited for you and can't wait to hear what it's like as based upon your experience I'm going to get ours done as well.
do you know of a place local to us DL? i'm seriously considering it. i was thinking about getting my dealer to do it. where you getting it done?
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What sort of torque are REVO claiming?
Do the Mk5 or Mk6 (probably too early to tell) suffer with the 'weak' dual mass flywheels that plagued many VAG cars when you crank the torque up?
Accepting marketing bullsh!t and dyno lottery, what is a decent remap looking at?
Gains of 40ish BHP and 80+ lb-ft?
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Im happy with an increase of 50bhp... which i think is realistic based on the gains from revo. RR are a lottery as we know, but as long as conditions are kept constant its just the gain you want to know. So 260-265 would be spot on.
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Genuinly excited for you and can't wait to hear what it's like as based upon your experience I'm going to get ours done as well.
do you know of a place local to us DL? i'm seriously considering it. i was thinking about getting my dealer to do it. where you getting it done?
I haven't asked my dealer but will on Monday. We use Vindis Sawston, you go to Wayside right? Not really local to us but I was going to use Grant Seat in Braintree as they are Revo dealers or VW Racing in Milton Keynes. I'll try Vindis on Monday because if they can do it it will be a lot easier for me to take it there.
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Im happy with an increase of 50bhp... which i think is realistic based on the gains from revo. RR are a lottery as we know, but as long as conditions are kept constant its just the gain you want to know. So 260-265 would be spot on.
I'll bet all the remaps give 40-50 genuine peak BHP and between 80 and 100 lb-ft of peak torque regardless of the marketing bull.
Once you remove the "Oh, we must have started with a good GTI - it made 235+ BHP out of the box" fantasy stuff, you are left with a good honest gain of around 40-50 BHP and 80-100 lb-ft, with varying delivery characteristics depending on the mapper.
Which sounds pretty good to me! :grin:
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Genuinly excited for you and can't wait to hear what it's like as based upon your experience I'm going to get ours done as well.
do you know of a place local to us DL? i'm seriously considering it. i was thinking about getting my dealer to do it. where you getting it done?
I haven't asked my dealer but will on Monday. We use Vindis Sawston, you go to Wayside right? Not really local to us but I was going to use Grant Seat in Braintree as they are Revo dealers or VW Racing in Milton Keynes. I'll try Vindis on Monday because if they can do it it will be a lot easier for me to take it there.
yeah i got mine from wayside. let me know what your dealer says - prices, details etc. i'm working on the missus to see if i can get mine done lol
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In truth I am too but she is fairly convinced, I overplayed the fact that we may get even better fuel consumption thus cancelling out any costs and she drives like a loon anyway so a bit more power can't hurt :smiley:
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In truth I am too but she is fairly convinced, I overplayed the fact that we may get even better fuel consumption thus cancelling out any costs and she drives like a loon anyway so a bit more power can't hurt :smiley:
Honestly guys my misses doesn't even know our cars been mapped. It's super smooth and linear and she isn't heavy footed but it is a super smooth and controllable map (if that makes sense).
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Is your top speed higher with a remap or do you just get there quicker?
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yeah i got mine from wayside. let me know what your dealer says - prices, details etc. i'm working on the missus to see if i can get mine done lol[/quote]
How would she know? Does your car wear shoes? :wink:
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Is your top speed higher with a remap or do you just get there quicker?
Can't say that I had a chance to compare 'top speeds' with or without the map. No Autobahns here mate....
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To make this report as useful to prospective remappers as possible, I am going to try to be as impartial and objective as possible. Hence, unnecessary and annoyingly subjective hyperbole à la Clarkson will be banished, as will words like ‘awesome’.
Why did I want a remap?
Although very satisfying to drive, the stock car never felt quite sporty enough to me. At motorway speeds in particular, I missed the big torque provided by turbo diesels and putting my foot down at 70mph would only give me average pick-up. Also there was the nagging problem that actual performance never really lived up to the wonderful noise the car produces. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that I was disappointed by the 210hp, but having read that VW engineers had designed the 2.0 litre TFSI engine with 300hp in mind, I couldn’t resist seeing what the car was really capable of.
What did the remap involve?
I booked in at an official Revo dealer yesterday for 9:30 am. For the moment, I am not going to reveal their identity, suffice it to say they are in the south east. When I arrived at 9:15, the place was shut – fair enough. I waited until 10am and still nobody had shown up. Hmm, I was smelling the faint whiff of wasted trip! I was just pulling out of the car park when a guy turned up on his motorbike. This turned out to be the owner. After mumbling some half-baked apology for being late, he set to work at what could best be described as a leisurely pace.
Basically, he plugged his laptop into the diagnostics port of my car to read all the relevant data, connected to the Revo server on the Internet and proceeded to purchase and download the appropriate file in much the same way as we might buy a music track online. He then uploaded said file to my car using his laptop and bingo. The whole process (operating at a leisurely pace, with cigarette breaks and jokes with his mates/colleagues) took about 50 minutes.
I was told that, should the VW dealer accidentally wipe out the remap, they will put it back in for me for a nominal £20 fee. He also explained that the Revo remap doesn’t actually inject any extra data, it merely removes some of the restrictive parameters VW put into the ECU, freeing the engine up to deliver more power.
So what’s it like to drive?
TBH, as I made my way back through the town (20-40mph), I couldn’t really notice much difference, although I did detect slightly more low-down torque and I do drive carefully most of the time, especially when in traffic.
I also noticed a very slight difference in the way the DSG ‘box was behaving. It holds on to gears very slightly longer (especially in Sport mode where red-lining is now systematic) and – more disappointingly – exhibits greater drivetrain shunt/hesitation when negotiating roundabouts, for example. It’s not bad, but you do need to be slightly more delicate with your right foot at lower speeds. I dare say that this is not an issue with the manual.
On the way back home, I had ample opportunity to let the car loose on the superb French motorways, although you have to be very careful now as the police come down hard on speeders. The bottom line is that there is considerably more grunt than the stock car. Having owned a number of powerful cars – and if I hadn’t known about the 275hp official figure – I would have guessed that the remapped engine was producing more in the region of 300hp.
The car is a lot more responsive and feels like (apologies for the subjectivity here) a ‘proper sports car’. Acceleration is very rapid, almost brutal, although for some strange reason I don’t fully understand, being pulled along by the front wheels – however briskly – never feels quite as satisfying as being pushed along by the rear ones.
I did not experience any loss of traction, though again, I would consider myself a careful driver and am certainly not looking to thrash the car to within an inch of its life at every opportunity. Perhaps the biggest usable difference was at higher speeds: putting my foot down at 70 now produces an instant surge and I was easily able to accelerate up to about 100 for a few seconds. The DSG also now drops down a gear – or two! – even at high speed. I can’t quite see the point, as the gain in terms of acceleration is minimal, but there’s not a lot I can do about it, other than being extra careful with the throttle to keep it in 6th.
I stopped on the way to see my 19-year-old son. He had driven my GTI before and was keen to try this new version (with me in the passenger seat, for obvious reasons!). He had put the car in sport mode – which is actually almost redundant now, IMHO – and accelerating fairly hard out of a roundabout onto a dual carriageway put a big grin on his face. He confirmed that there was a big difference.
Conclusion – is it worth it?
Apart from the slight reservations regarding the increase in drivetrain shunt and hesitation with the DSG ‘box (although I may get used to this), I would have to say yes. OK, so it’s expensive, but if VW offered a GTI Plus (Golf R?) with 275hp for just £500 + VAT more than the standard model, then I suspect most of us would take it, in much the same way we opt for the 18†wheels.
I have tried to be as factual and unemotional as possible in this review, in the hope that it will help others make up their minds. Please feel free to ask any questions.
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Frog, when you say "shunt/hesitation" is that like turbo lag or if in a manual, letting the clutch out to quickly?
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Good stuff...
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Frog, when you say "shunt/hesitation" is that like turbo lag or if in a manual, letting the clutch out to quickly?
I can't really answer for le Frog but I've quite a bit of experience of REVO on my previous cars and they use quite an aggressive throttle map. So the power can be a bit on/off which probably confuses the DSG ECU a bit as you can't slip the clutch like in a manual. REVO have a DSG map coming soon I believe.
@ Frog, well done for getting the map. Can't wait to get mine done. I've had REVO on a couple of 1.8t engines in the past so I know what you mean about it feeling more like 300bhp! They use quite aggressive mapping and produce high torque figures which makes the car feel a lot more powerful than it actually is. Which is what you spend your re-map money for - the grin factor! :evil:
I had a different re-map on my mk5 as I felt the REVO in my previous car (a 2006 Polo GTI) was a bit too aggressive, but in retrospect - I like the aggressive.
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You may find that DSG software will adjust over time to "match up" with the new engine characteristics...
Good right up though and sounds worth it :wink:
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Frog, when you say "shunt/hesitation" is that like turbo lag or if in a manual, letting the clutch out to quickly?
There's zero lag on my mapped manual so this must just be DSG related.
Good write up frog, my car was the the mule that Revo developed the map from, not so sure about exact figures as they said mine was putting out more BHP than was expected stock but regardless of 'numbers' and 'graphs', yes, it feels very fast!
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According to REVOs site, the standard Mk6 they used was making 235 BHP. Yeah right...
VAG engines are good, but not that good!
Regardless, it's a genuine 40+ BHP gain, which combined with the huge torque jump will easilt feel like 100 BHP!
I gained about 45 BHP on my old 1.8T and I'd have put my house on it being 100 BHP from how it felt.
My expreience with REVO maps is also that they are pretty aggressive...I suppose you pick the tuner acording to how you want the car to feel.
Good write up though...one to consider, for sure.
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You may find that DSG software will adjust over time to "match up" with the new engine characteristics...
Good right up though and sounds worth it :wink:
Funny you should say that: I went out in the car this morning to jetwash all the flies off and the DSG did seem smoother than yesterday, no hesitation and none of the shunting I got yesterday. Maybe it was just coincidence, or else yesterday I was feeling tired and picky after all the driving I had done.
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
I don't tell them :smiley:
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
I've re-mapped at least half a dozen of my own cars. None of them have been thrashed. The maps boost the low speed torque which makes for more relaxing and economical driving. I occasionally give the car a blast but never thrash the car.
If you sell your car privately to an enthusiast they will probably be glad if it has a top quality re-map on it. If you p/x it to a dealer you just flash it back to stock first.
The re-mapping can narrow down the list of prospective buyers but it doesn't make the car difficult to sell on. You could say that the £500 re-map money is dead money at resale time, but so is money spent on options when the car is new. Many people who re-map their cars look after them far, far better than the 'average' owner.
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^^^ my sentiments exactly.
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
I've re-mapped at least half a dozen of my own cars. None of them have been thrashed. The maps boost the low speed torque which makes for more relaxing and economical driving. I occasionally give the car a blast but never thrash the car.
If you sell your car privately to an enthusiast they will probably be glad if it has a top quality re-map on it. If you p/x it to a dealer you just flash it back to stock first.
The re-mapping can narrow down the list of prospective buyers but it doesn't make the car difficult to sell on. You could say that the £500 re-map money is dead money at resale time, but so is money spent on options when the car is new. Many people who re-map their cars look after them far, far better than the 'average' owner.
What you do with your car is irrelvant, you could be the most granny like sunday driver in the world, any prospective buyer wont believe a word you say if its remapped. You just told me you dont thrash your cars, and I dont believe you. I wouldnt buy a remapped car in a million years, but as you say, who would know if you got it flashed back to stock.
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Like Kev above i would not buy a remapped car in a million years. The amount of Ed30s and mk5 GTIs i rulled out because of it. In the end i went for a new mk6.
Afterall you just have to go read some of the stupid coments by modified owners to workout how some of them treat there cars.
At the end of the day a remaped car may put more stress on the engine/suspesion/drivetrain components reducing the live of them.
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
I've re-mapped at least half a dozen of my own cars. None of them have been thrashed. The maps boost the low speed torque which makes for more relaxing and economical driving. I occasionally give the car a blast but never thrash the car.
If you sell your car privately to an enthusiast they will probably be glad if it has a top quality re-map on it. If you p/x it to a dealer you just flash it back to stock first.
The re-mapping can narrow down the list of prospective buyers but it doesn't make the car difficult to sell on. You could say that the £500 re-map money is dead money at resale time, but so is money spent on options when the car is new. Many people who re-map their cars look after them far, far better than the 'average' owner.
What you do with your car is irrelvant, you could be the most granny like sunday driver in the world, any prospective buyer wont believe a word you say if its remapped. You just told me you dont thrash your cars, and I dont believe you. I wouldnt buy a remapped car in a million years, but as you say, who would know if you got it flashed back to stock.
Nice to see the usual balanced and calm Kev reply :rolleyes:
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
I've re-mapped at least half a dozen of my own cars. None of them have been thrashed. The maps boost the low speed torque which makes for more relaxing and economical driving. I occasionally give the car a blast but never thrash the car.
If you sell your car privately to an enthusiast they will probably be glad if it has a top quality re-map on it. If you p/x it to a dealer you just flash it back to stock first.
The re-mapping can narrow down the list of prospective buyers but it doesn't make the car difficult to sell on. You could say that the £500 re-map money is dead money at resale time, but so is money spent on options when the car is new. Many people who re-map their cars look after them far, far better than the 'average' owner.
What you do with your car is irrelvant, you could be the most granny like sunday driver in the world, any prospective buyer wont believe a word you say if its remapped. You just told me you dont thrash your cars, and I dont believe you. I wouldnt buy a remapped car in a million years, but as you say, who would know if you got it flashed back to stock.
Nice to see the usual balanced and calm Kev reply :rolleyes:
He does have a point though, I'd never buy a car which has or has had a remap.
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Like Kev above i would not buy a remapped car in a million years. The amount of Ed30s and mk5 GTIs i rulled out because of it. In the end i went for a new mk6.
Afterall you just have to go read some of the stupid coments by modified owners to workout how some of them treat there cars.
At the end of the day a remaped car may put more stress on the engine/suspesion/drivetrain components reducing the live of them.
I know where you're coming from, and I'd be very wary of buying a re-mapped car myself despite the fact I'm quite happy to do my own.
But not all owners are the same, there are some forum members cars I'd quite happily buy despite their modifications as I would know that everything possible was done to preserve their cars in tip top condition. Some forum members cars I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Caveat Emptor
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FULL POST-OP REPORT ON PAGE 3
After umming and ahhing for the last couple of weeks, and having grilled you senseless on which company to go with and when to do it, I decided to book a Revo remap for tomorrow. I was coming over to England anyway tomorrow for a bit of shopping and so I thought I may as well get the remap over & done with. The guy I spoke to really seemed to know what he was talking about and put my mind at rest regarding warranty and other issues. He said they had done a MB S600 a couple of weeks ago that had only 22 miles on the clock and managed to get 850hp out of it :nerd:
Anyway, I will be happy if they give me the 275hp they promise on their website. I will report back on Sunday once I'm back in France.
Wish me luck for the operation :embarassed:
Who needs a Warranty anyway :evil:
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FULL POST-OP REPORT ON PAGE 3
After umming and ahhing for the last couple of weeks, and having grilled you senseless on which company to go with and when to do it, I decided to book a Revo remap for tomorrow. I was coming over to England anyway tomorrow for a bit of shopping and so I thought I may as well get the remap over & done with. The guy I spoke to really seemed to know what he was talking about and put my mind at rest regarding warranty and other issues. He said they had done a MB S600 a couple of weeks ago that had only 22 miles on the clock and managed to get 850hp out of it :nerd:
Anyway, I will be happy if they give me the 275hp they promise on their website. I will report back on Sunday once I'm back in France.
Wish me luck for the operation :embarassed:
Who needs a Warranty anyway :evil:
Yep, maybe we should all become Buddhist monks and sit on a hill pondering what will go wrong in our lives? This is a GTI forum not a Prius forum. Live a little.
Oh and a re-map won't void the warrnty on your air-con or radio.
The Frogster lives in Frogland where he says it's illegal to have a re-map anyway, so the dealers aren't exactly going to be looking for signs whilst he plies them with his cheap wine!
If you think re-maps are bad and scary like the monster under your bed then stay away from them and don't look under your bed at night. :smiley:
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I wouldn't buy a remapped car, either, but then again I never buy other peoples' cr@p anyway, always new.
As for dealers detecting my remap, it's not an issue: when they plug into the port, their computer will just detect an 'anomally' and reset the entire system. The anomally could be an electric window going up and down too slowly or 65hp too much, the computer doesn't analyse the whys & wherefores, it just resets everything.
Lol @ the cheap wine, Exonian. I see my reputation precedes me :laugh:
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As for dealers detecting my remap, it's not an issue: when they plug into the port, their computer will just detect an 'anomally' and reset the entire system. The anomally could be an electric window going up and down too slowly or 65hp too much, the computer doesn't analyse the whys & wherefores, it just resets everything.
That's not strictly true...they will know the controller/ECU the fault is thrown up on, and depending on the error, can make a fairl good guess.
For example, you don't get 'Charge pressure limit exceeded' errors up on a std car!
You then reset the errors on an individual controller...not a blanket reset.
If they suspect, all they have to do is drive it...then they'll know...and if they want proof, they log the readings on the MAP sensor...anything above standard and bye-bye warranty.
But, they need to have reason, as most Techs are so pushed for time during servicing/repair work, they aren't looking too hard!
This, is the reason that things like the Superchips Bluefin is a clever idea...you swap the standard map back in for servicing/warranty work...so if they drive it, or log the MAP sensor values, it shows standard.
Not that I would condone this sort of behaviour, of course.
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I overplayed the fact that we may get even better fuel consumption
i used this exact same line last night on her :laugh:
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How would she know? Does your car wear shoes? :wink:
she knows more about cars than i do :undecided:
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great write up fro, very informative. keep us updated re: consumption and how its driving!
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
I've re-mapped at least half a dozen of my own cars. None of them have been thrashed. The maps boost the low speed torque which makes for more relaxing and economical driving. I occasionally give the car a blast but never thrash the car.
If you sell your car privately to an enthusiast they will probably be glad if it has a top quality re-map on it. If you p/x it to a dealer you just flash it back to stock first.
The re-mapping can narrow down the list of prospective buyers but it doesn't make the car difficult to sell on. You could say that the £500 re-map money is dead money at resale time, but so is money spent on options when the car is new. Many people who re-map their cars look after them far, far better than the 'average' owner.
What you do with your car is irrelvant, you could be the most granny like sunday driver in the world, any prospective buyer wont believe a word you say if its remapped. You just told me you dont thrash your cars, and I dont believe you. I wouldnt buy a remapped car in a million years, but as you say, who would know if you got it flashed back to stock.
Nice to see the usual balanced and calm Kev reply :rolleyes:
Well well well, didnt take long.... Don't know how to reply to it, so instead of saying nothing, you pull out the 'Calm Kev reply' card. Pathetic really, but then again from a pussy like you, I didnt expect anything less.
Now can you see the differences in my replies ? THAT was a calm Kev reply. You nob.
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Sweet...Kev having words with someone other than me... :grin:
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Kev i thought you`d turned over a new leaf its been ages since you fell out with someone :laugh:
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Hey, come on, lads. Don't lets fall out about a silly remap :smiley: We all have our own opinions about the whole idea and I am in no way trying to encourage people one way or the other. I am personally prepared to take the risk re. extra wear & tear, warranty, insurance, etc. but I respect people who like to keep their car the way nature intended, lol.
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Kev i thought you`d turned over a new leaf its been ages since you fell out with someone :laugh:
Still the same old dickheads popping up though mate, so I'll always keep em right. :wink: :grin:
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Ok sensible question i think,does it increase your emissions and so should you pay a higer tax band ?,like i`ve said before there is no such thing as a free lunch,so extra power must have a negative effect on econmy ,engine life ?
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The road tax band is calculated against the offical emissions quoted from the manufacturer. So re-mapping does not affect how much you pay.
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Ok sensible question i think,does it increase your emissions and so should you pay a higer tax band ?,like i`ve said before there is no such thing as a free lunch,so extra power must have a negative effect on econmy ,engine life ?
Nope
based on what your car left the factory :wink:
and depending on how you drive it
Treat your engine with respect and it will last just as long as the manufacturer intended. Make sure oil changes are regular (10K and under) and done with the new Longlife oil
As an example there are several MK4 owners who have run their 1.8T's for over 100K remapped miles and still on the original turbo etc :afro:
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just dont blow ya motors top, unlike kev :grin:
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Cheers,it just popped into my head but i suppose it makes sense to set the tax band on leaving the factory,the only other way would be to test it during a mot i suppose.
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Treat your engine with respect and it will last just as long as the manufacturer intended.
That's the key point. I enjoy knowing that I have lots of power available, but I actually don't really use it that often. I'm a 40mpg man :smiley:
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Treat your engine with respect and it will last just as long as the manufacturer intended.
That's the key point. I enjoy knowing that I have lots of power available, but I actually don't really use it that often. I'm a 40mpg man :smiley:
Frightened of that monster under the bed ? :wink:
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Hehe, no I'm just a tight git who doesn't like paying for petrol :smiley:
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Incidentally, I forgot to mention in my report that they also remapped my wheels for me, look :cool:
(http://www.golfgti6.com/wheelremap.jpg)
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And fitted a washing line in the bonnet,don`t think it will catch on
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Kev i thought you`d turned over a new leaf its been ages since you fell out with someone :laugh:
Still the same old dickheads popping up though mate, so I'll always keep em right. :wink: :grin:
I don't think I've ever fallen out with you before or particularly disagreed with you, nor have I ever used vulgar and abusive words toward you. That's your speciallity.
So to drag myself down to your level, nob and double nob to you back. :grin:
And if you're a 40mpg man rather than a GTI driver why didn't you opt for the GTD? Assuming you can manage a non abusive reply to that. :kiss:
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And fitted a washing line in the bonnet,don`t think it will catch on
lol :grin:
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And fitted a washing line in the bonnet,don`t think it will catch on
+1 :grin: :laugh: :grin: :laugh:
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Kev i thought you`d turned over a new leaf its been ages since you fell out with someone :laugh:
Still the same old dickheads popping up though mate, so I'll always keep em right. :wink: :grin:
I don't think I've ever fallen out with you before or particularly disagreed with you, nor have I ever used vulgar and abusive words toward you. That's your speciallity.
So to drag myself down to your level, nob and double nob to you back. :grin:
And if you're a 40mpg man rather than a GTI driver why didn't you opt for the GTD? Assuming you can manage a non abusive reply to that. :kiss:
Amazing that eh, you have never fallen out with me, nor have you disagreed, yet you responsed to my post by throwing my possible 'reputation' on this forum at me.
And you expect me not to respond ? Dude, your living on another planet.
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I have had my car for 4000 miles, 3000 of them with the remap. It really is funny how people view remapped cars, my car is driven smoothly and with respect, not redlined, and the rewards are higher because of the map. If anything I don't need to drive it as hard as the standard car to get the same result so a remapped car could theoretically be less thrashed than a non mapped car.
If you have a MK6 GTI and you drove it with the map, I doubt many of you would want to take it off. Would I buy a mapped car? Of course, the same way I would but a motorbike with aftermarket exhausts. Just because someone has spent time and money enhancing their car doesn't mean they are boy racers.
Also better fuel economy, my average went up 5mpg after the map, safer for overtaking etc.
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can't you lot have a grown-up arguement without resorting to childish remarks
you're doing the section no favours at all
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I have had my car for 4000 miles, 3000 of them with the remap. It really is funny how people view remapped cars, my car is driven smoothly and with respect, not redlined, and the rewards are higher because of the map. If anything I don't need to drive it as hard as the standard car to get the same result so a remapped car could theoretically be less thrashed than a non mapped car.
If you have a MK6 GTI and you drove it with the map, I doubt many of you would want to take it off. Would I buy a mapped car? Of course, the same way I would but a motorbike with aftermarket exhausts. Just because someone has spent time and money enhancing their car doesn't mean they are boy racers.
Also better fuel economy, my average went up 5mpg after the map, safer for overtaking etc.
I'm with you, gossa :smiley:
I agree about the arguing. Enough already.
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Despite the little bickers that seem to have crept into this thread, thanks FroGTI for a quality write-up :smiley:
I have a suspicion our cars are going to end up being more similar than just the colour & a sunroof :wink:
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I have the 1.4 GT TSi (160) and i'm thinking of getting a remap also, Revo are claming a BHP increase from 159BHP to 219BHP :shocked:
Surely that can't be right? Seems abit extreme and maybe will put alot of strain on my 1.4 engine? At £399 it seems daft not too if those are the figures being offered
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I have the 1.4 GT TSi (160) and i'm thinking of getting a remap also, Revo are claming a BHP increase from 159BHP to 219BHP :shocked:
Surely that can't be right? Seems abit extreme and maybe will put alot of strain on my 1.4 engine? At £399 it seems daft not too if those are the figures being offered
Let me guess...their 'standard car' made 185+ BHP when they tested it?
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I have the 1.4 GT TSi (160) and i'm thinking of getting a remap also, Revo are claming a BHP increase from 159BHP to 219BHP :shocked:
Surely that can't be right? Seems abit extreme and maybe will put alot of strain on my 1.4 engine? At £399 it seems daft not too if those are the figures being offered
Let me guess...their 'standard car' made 185+ BHP when they tested it?
They didn't say
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Despite the little bickers that seem to have crept into this thread, thanks FroGTI for a quality write-up :smiley:
I have a suspicion our cars are going to end up being more similar than just the colour & a sunroof :wink:
Thanks, glad to be of help. I had never even heard of Revo before I joined this forum, so I thought it only proper that I give something back :smiley:
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Whilst REVO have an excellent name i'd be a bit worried about the people they are using to install some of their maps - from the description the place used by FroGTi sounds like a right shower, where i wouldn't take my old MkIII never mind a new GTi.
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Whilst REVO have an excellent name i'd be a bit worried about the people they are using to install some of their maps - from the description the place used by FroGTi sounds like a right shower, where i wouldn't take my old MkIII never mind a new GTi.
I was a bit surprised, but despite his casual approach to business ethics, the guy did seem to know what he was talking about. Also, the Revo remap looked like a very straightforward process involving nothing more sophisticated than a downloaded file, a USB key & a laptop. It's Revo who do all the hard work, much like Microsoft when you ask some local computer repair shop to install Windows for you.
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Which makes you wonder why Revo don't sell it direct to the punters if its just a laptop, usb key and donloaded file. I wonder if they think it might get cracked and we could then download it as a bittorent :wink:
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Whilst REVO have an excellent name i'd be a bit worried about the people they are using to install some of their maps - from the description the place used by FroGTi sounds like a right shower, where i wouldn't take my old MkIII never mind a new GTi.
My Revo dealer was APD in Dorset, they are a small independent but really know their stuff and are extremely helpful. I must admit though, as a business owner myself, if a customer was coming from France I would be on time and have the (proper) coffee already brewing.
As for revo selling direct, they do at shows and I think you can go to them direct. I guess not everyone can or want to travel to their HQ? My experience of Revo as a company has been very impressive, really professional guys and ultimately the end results are impressive for the price.
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My Revo dealer was APD in Dorset, they are a small independent but really know their stuff and are extremely helpful. I must admit though, as a business owner myself, if a customer was coming from France I would be on time and have the (proper) coffee already brewing.
Def agree, they should have already been there and ready for the appointment - 1st impressions really do count and if we treated our customers like that then we would loose any repeat business. If you're going to be late at least let the customer know. Also, the fact that they joked about during the installation work doesn't convey a professional image either. But hopefully, you'll not have to go back for any additional work with them.
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Have spoken to my local dealer and they have said that if we remap with VW Racing through VW Sheppards it will not affect the warranty in anyway. They offer various "upgrade packs" where you can just have a stage 1 map done for £500 where they claim a real world 255bhp or up to £1500 for stage 1, a lowered suspension and new exhaust.
VW Racing obviously have lots of experience and the fact that the car is still guaranteed makes me doubt now what I will do. Upon reading the report from Frog I was going to book the remap with Revo over the next few weeks but now am unsure, does anyone have any experience of using VW Racing?
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Have spoken to my local dealer and they have said that if we remap with VW Racing through VW Sheppards it will not affect the warranty in anyway. They offer various "upgrade packs" where you can just have a stage 1 map done for £500 where they claim a real world 255bhp or up to £1500 for stage 1, a lowered suspension and new exhaust.
VW Racing obviously have lots of experience and the fact that the car is still guaranteed makes me doubt now what I will do. Upon reading the report from Frog I was going to book the remap with Revo over the next few weeks but now am unsure, does anyone have any experience of using VW Racing?
Yes, the guy that did my remap mentioned something about a handful of UK VW dealers offering 'approved' remaps. Intriguing.
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Have spoken to my local dealer and they have said that if we remap with VW Racing through VW Sheppards it will not affect the warranty in anyway. They offer various "upgrade packs" where you can just have a stage 1 map done for £500 where they claim a real world 255bhp or up to £1500 for stage 1, a lowered suspension and new exhaust.
VW Racing obviously have lots of experience and the fact that the car is still guaranteed makes me doubt now what I will do. Upon reading the report from Frog I was going to book the remap with Revo over the next few weeks but now am unsure, does anyone have any experience of using VW Racing?
If i'm not mistaken VW Racing use Superchips
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Have spoken to my local dealer and they have said that if we remap with VW Racing through VW Sheppards it will not affect the warranty in anyway. They offer various "upgrade packs" where you can just have a stage 1 map done for £500 where they claim a real world 255bhp or up to £1500 for stage 1, a lowered suspension and new exhaust.
VW Racing obviously have lots of experience and the fact that the car is still guaranteed makes me doubt now what I will do. Upon reading the report from Frog I was going to book the remap with Revo over the next few weeks but now am unsure, does anyone have any experience of using VW Racing?
this £500 stage 1 map is what my dealer mentioned to me. thanks for the info, its all v tempting. i'm wary of using these companies a la frog but if it was through VW then i would feel a lot more comforted that they wouldn't f7ck up my car. do they have a brouchure? did they give you figures re: 0-60 times, fuel consumption etc? i suppose i could stop being lazy and google them lol.
which Shepperds did you go to? the one in bishops stortford was where i got my mk5 and i had really good service from there.
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When I went to order my Golf from the main dealers, they had leaflets on most desks advertising for remapping with a 3rd party!!
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Yeah it was the Stortford branch. They were really helpful and I mentioned that a few others might be interested, especially since there are so many of us around here in Herts and with all that spare cash we have :wink:
They offered to send details in the post and their number is: 08451254836.
I think I will take the plunge with them I. I will cover 5-6000 miles first and then book something in, if I can wait that long that is.
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Yeah it was the Stortford branch. They were really helpful and I mentioned that a few others might be interested, especially since there are so many of us around here in Herts and with all that spare cash we have :wink:
They offered to send details in the post and their number is: 08451254836.
I think I will take the plunge with them I. I will cover 5-6000 miles first and then book something in, if I can wait that long that is.
interested - yes!
spare cash - no! but its so tempting that its money well spent!
excellent, thanks for the info. they are v good there, the best dealer i have ever dealt with.
you had better start putting some more miles on that car :grin:
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Found these on Scirocco Central....
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(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4223/vwrcs2.jpg) (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vwrcs2.jpg)
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5762/vwrcs3.jpg) (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vwrcs3.jpg)
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this place is dangerous, it makes you want to spend more money!
i like the idea of 250bhp (i assume 260bhp as those pics were for the mk5?) - but i wouldn't go for the flash exhausts or 'r' logo. i want it to remain discreet so that when, for eg. a type r, fancies a bit of it i can mug him off and leave him scratching his head :grin:
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It does say on the back of the brochure for Golf GTi MK5 and MK6
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If i'm not mistaken VW Racing use Superchips
What about using Superchips?
Their Bluefin device lets you do it all without the visit to some crappy fitting place complete with a dodgy bloke and laptop?
You can install and uninstall yourself too - not a capped re-map to simulate standard power either, you actually swap std map vs Superchips map in and out, with both being held in the Bluefin unit.
They also provide a warranty on anything VAG won't cover, should something go wrong. Although, how watertight this is, I don't know...but it's more than CC or REVO offer.
Also, they quote real world power gains - on 95 octane fuel. So basically the least you will get...rather than the highest they ever saw, on a car running 98.99 octane fuel, and with a standard car making 25 BHP more than VW claim (yeah, right) to give their output of 275 BHP.
Surely an option?
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It does say on the back of the brochure for Golf GTi MK5 and MK6
i missed that bit :grin:
sweeeeeet!
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Yes i looked into them a while back, they seem like a good option and ive heard nothing but good things about them
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It does say on the back of the brochure for Golf GTi MK5 and MK6
i missed that bit :grin:
sweeeeeet!
:wink:
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Yes i looked into them a while back, they seem like a good option and ive heard nothing but good things about them
From my experience of dyno days...Superchipped cars seem to make the numbers they suggest...whereas others don't.
Other companies may claim more power, but at the end of the day, there is a finite limit to what the engine will safely produce when re-mapped...and I doubt there's much between the major tuners in headline numbers.
Delivery perhaps..but not peak numbers.
No matter what some optimistic dynos might suggest.
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The Blufin would take the GTi to 256BHP which is an 49BHP increase and also take torque to 381NM which is an 90NM increase, Superchips sell the Blufin device for £435 including VAT and delivery but ive found a site that will do them for £390 including VAT and delivery http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefin-vw.htm
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Yes i looked into them a while back, they seem like a good option and ive heard nothing but good things about them
From my experience of dyno days...Superchipped cars seem to make the numbers they suggest...whereas others don't.
ask the MK5 ED30 lot about Superchips and last years JKM RR day :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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ask the MK5 ED30 lot about Superchips and last years JKM RR day :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Do tell?
Not up to scratch?
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ask the MK5 ED30 lot about Superchips and last years JKM RR day :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Do tell?
Not up to scratch?
I think Superchips quoted at the time approx 300bhp
The two cars running made 250bhp and 270bhp or thereabouts; one was fitted with a Milltek Turbo Back too
Nothing was mechnically wrong with either cars IIRC. I think one was due to the wrong map being supplied but even then it didn't make the claims Superchips said it did. Not sure what they quote now mind
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here's the link
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=94027.0
As I thought it was the wrong map supplied but it was still short of the 300bhp they quoted at the time
End of the day you got to chose a company with whom you feel comfortable with and are assured you're going to have the support should something go wrong
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If i'm not mistaken VW Racing use Superchips
What about using Superchips?
Their Bluefin device lets you do it all without the visit to some crappy fitting place complete with a dodgy bloke and laptop?
You can install and uninstall yourself too - not a capped re-map to simulate standard power either, you actually swap std map vs Superchips map in and out, with both being held in the Bluefin unit.
They also provide a warranty on anything VAG won't cover, should something go wrong. Although, how watertight this is, I don't know...but it's more than CC or REVO offer.
Also, they quote real world power gains - on 95 octane fuel. So basically the least you will get...rather than the highest they ever saw, on a car running 98.99 octane fuel, and with a standard car making 25 BHP more than VW claim (yeah, right) to give their output of 275 BHP.
Surely an option?
I looked into this and VW Racing are using Superchips Bluefin so that means VW UK are happy to honour the warranty using their product so that is good enogh for me.
Everyone is different and I'm not after loads and loads more power, just a little will do and 250 BHP is what I was hoping the MK6 should've been from the off.
The more I think about this the sooner I'll get it done.
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Have spoken to my local dealer and they have said that if we remap with VW Racing through VW Sheppards it will not affect the warranty in anyway. They offer various "upgrade packs" where you can just have a stage 1 map done for £500 where they claim a real world 255bhp or up to £1500 for stage 1, a lowered suspension and new exhaust.
VW Racing obviously have lots of experience and the fact that the car is still guaranteed makes me doubt now what I will do. Upon reading the report from Frog I was going to book the remap with Revo over the next few weeks but now am unsure, does anyone have any experience of using VW Racing?
mmm.... the more I think about it the better it sounds.
If it's fully warrantied and documented by VW then that's great.
I'd still be a little concerned about selling it on as I'd be very wary about buying a remapped car myself, but then if it's a fully warrantied VW remap maybe not. :undecided:
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I'd suggest you guys look very closely at the small print with regards to remaps provided by dealers
You may well find that the engine part of your warranty is voided........
Just something to be very wary of! :smiley:
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The Bluefin idea really appealed to me, but then I read other members' experiences with SuperChips and rapidly changed my mind!
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I'd suggest you guys look very closely at the small print with regards to remaps provided by dealers
You may well find that the engine part of your warranty is voided........
Just something to be very wary of! :smiley:
I'll check it out.
Fine toothed comb required I think...
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The Bluefin idea really appealed to me, but then I read other members' experiences with SuperChips and rapidly changed my mind!
Yep - a little research not just on the company but other people's experiences goes a long way to making your decision :smiley:
I'd suggest you guys look very closely at the small print with regards to remaps provided by dealers
You may well find that the engine part of your warranty is voided........
Just something to be very wary of! :smiley:
I'll check it out.
Fine toothed comb required I think...
the finer the better I reckon :afro:
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I already asked the question, apparantley does not affect the full manufactures warranty. That info came from the main dealer as well.
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I already asked the question, apparantley does not affect the full manufactures warranty. That info came from the main dealer as well.
That's what they said to me as well but I'll need to check out the 'small print'.
I'd not really considered a remap because of warranty issues and I believe it may make the car more difficult to sell.
If it is a 100% watertight warranty then it makes it more of a VW official upgrade or extra so maybe that's more appealling.
:undecided:
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I looked into this and VW Racing are using Superchips Bluefin so that means VW UK are happy to honour the warranty using their product so that is good enogh for me.
Everyone is different and I'm not after loads and loads more power, just a little will do and 250 BHP is what I was hoping the MK6 should've been from the off.
The more I think about this the sooner I'll get it done.
+1 :cool:
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Revo also offer their little clever plug in switch box to change the maps about (I've got one but haven't had call to use it yet).
There was a guy over on sciroccocentral when I had my roc who started off with Bluefin then went over to Revo. In a number of posts he said the Superchips map didn't deliver the stated gains and there was a significant gain from the Revo map over the Superchips map.
He also has an ED30 that Revo have mapped to around 300 which he says is nuts!
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I think Superchips quoted at the time approx 300bhp
The two cars running made 250bhp and 270bhp or thereabouts; one was fitted with a Milltek Turbo Back too
Nothing was mechnically wrong with either cars IIRC. I think one was due to the wrong map being supplied but even then it didn't make the claims Superchips said it did. Not sure what they quote now mind
They claim a gain of about 50 BHP...so around 255-260, which would seem sensible.
Anyone that thought you'd gain 90-100 BHP must need their head read!
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Revo also offer their little clever plug in switch box to change the maps about (I've got one but haven't had call to use it yet).
There was a guy over on sciroccocentral when I had my roc who started off with Bluefin then went over to Revo. In a number of posts he said the Superchips map didn't deliver the stated gains and there was a significant gain from the Revo map over the Superchips map.
He also has an ED30 that Revo have mapped to around 300 which he says is nuts!
I can believe that a good REVO map will produce more power than a restrained Superchips map, and REVO tend to be more aggressive in throttle respose and midrange too.
But, if you aren't chasing every last BHP, don't want to run it on 98/99 octane and have no plans to change the downpipe/cat/exhaust, then Maybe Superchips is an option.
I was under the impression the REVO box lets you tune the delivery, and can provide a stock-like map...as opposed to the full standard map as the Bluefin can?
Maybe if putting it back to standard for any reason is a requirememt, then the Bluefin option is a good one?
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I think Superchips quoted at the time approx 300bhp
The two cars running made 250bhp and 270bhp or thereabouts; one was fitted with a Milltek Turbo Back too
Nothing was mechnically wrong with either cars IIRC. I think one was due to the wrong map being supplied but even then it didn't make the claims Superchips said it did. Not sure what they quote now mind
They claim a gain of about 50 BHP...so around 255-260, which would seem sensible.
Anyone that thought you'd gain 90-100 BHP must need their head read!
the ED30 started with 230bhp as standard so Superchips were claiming a 70bhp increase
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I was under the impression the REVO box lets you tune the delivery, and can provide a stock-like map...as opposed to the full standard map as the Bluefin can?
Maybe if putting it back to standard for any reason is a requirememt, then the Bluefin option is a good one?
think you can alter fuel and boost settings and it will also flash the ECU back to a 'standard-like' map
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the ED30 started with 230bhp as standard so Superchips were claiming a 70bhp increase
Surely I'm not the only one that would smell a rat, at a claim of 70 BHP with no other mods?
40-50 I could see easily...but 70?
Hmm...
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I spent many many days reading about remaps and the experiences provided by the remap providers on the mk5 board. After thinking long and hard (and reading other experiences) I would opt for the revo. Have heard very good things about their customer service and gains provided (looking at increase as opposed to headline figures).
I also know that revo spend alot of money on research and test over here in the uk. iirc superchips/bluefin is US based and their maps/testing/research are based around the poor quality of fuels they have.
For me it would be 99RON and Revo all the way. I would expect to get somewhere around the figure 265bhp on a well calibrated RR.
Obviously drivability is a big issue for many considering remaps.. so would maybe suggest looking down the CC route also.
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the ED30 started with 230bhp as standard so Superchips were claiming a 70bhp increase
Surely I'm not the only one that would smell a rat, at a claim of 70 BHP with no other mods?
40-50 I could see easily...but 70?
Hmm...
hence why there were one or two disappointed folk on the day :grin: :grin: :grin:
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The VWR warranty is a top up warranty, additional to the normal manufacturers warranty. That is, what VW won't cover because of the mods, the top-up will. Whilst the brochure is written in VW font/print style, and its available on dealers desks, VW UK nor Gormany are rubber stamping the upgrades.
Some Skoda dealers sell Tunit boxes, but they are not approved by VAG either.
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VW Vindis/Sheppards group have said it is exactly the same as having a full warranty in place and will not leave me liable for anything if something does go wrong. I'm guessing that the stage 1 upgrade doesn't put much strain on any of the components and both parties are happy that it will be unlikely to cause problems.
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VW Vindis/Sheppards group have said it is exactly the same as having a full warranty in place and will not leave me liable for anything if something does go wrong. I'm guessing that the stage 1 upgrade doesn't put much strain on any of the components and both parties are happy that it will be unlikely to cause problems.
I didn't imply it did leave you short of cover, but any engine/gearbox failure will be dealt with by the underwritter of the top-up, not VW itself. If VWR have that all covered and can resolve issues as quickly as VW then fine. How long does the VWR top-up last for ? Extending your VW one after 3 years won't cover much on a modified car, aftermarket policies for modified cars tend to be either non existent or very expensive.
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No you are right the VWR cover runs with the VW one to cover the car while under full guarantee.
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No you are right the VWR cover runs with the VW one to cover the car while under full guarantee.
So is VWR and Superchips the same map/warranty?
It's sounding like it.
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It is but to get the cover you must get it done through a VW main dealer, I don't even think you can go direct to VWR. Price wise they are the same anyway.
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http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/ :laugh:
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It is but to get the cover you must get it done through a VW main dealer, I don't even think you can go direct to VWR. Price wise they are the same anyway.
hang on VWR are asking for £1.5k! Revo remap was 400 or 500 quid iirc. Though I believe the VWR package offers a few extra mods as well. Part of the price no doubt is there to cover the warranty they offer too.
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Hows about APR?!
Check out their integration with the cruise function. Demo video is on a Roc, but they do Golf too...
http://www.youtube.com/v/XOEiFbSHKqk&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
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It is but to get the cover you must get it done through a VW main dealer, I don't even think you can go direct to VWR. Price wise they are the same anyway.
hang on VWR are asking for £1.5k! Revo remap was 400 or 500 quid iirc. Though I believe the VWR package offers a few extra mods as well. Part of the price no doubt is there to cover the warranty they offer too.
That's for the stage 1 remap, suspension and exhaust package, just stage 1 is £500
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Hows about APR?!
Check out their integration with the cruise function. Demo video is on a Roc, but they do Golf too...
http://www.youtube.com/v/XOEiFbSHKqk&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
There's no MK6 GTI map available yet from APR, just checked. Emailed them a week ago and they promised to let me know when it's out.
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Hows about APR?!
Check out their integration with the cruise function. Demo video is on a Roc, but they do Golf too...
http://www.youtube.com/v/XOEiFbSHKqk&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
I don't know if you're supposed to go through all that rigmarole every time you start, but it looks way too complicated for me. I want to control the power with my right foot while I'm driving, not with my fingertips before I switch on.
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I don't know if you're supposed to go through all that rigmarole every time you start, but it looks way too complicated for me. I want to control the power with my right foot while I'm driving, not with my fingertips before I switch on.
If it's anything like their EMCS system for the 1.8T, then no...you don't.
It just gives you the option of having several maps stored and using the Cruise stalk to select them - there is a Security program too...but you can also have different performance maps.
I had (on an S3) 'standard' map, 95 octane high boost and 98 octane silly high boost maps...useful if you get caught without access to the high octane fuel.
You could cycle through the maps using the Cruise stalk, even do it whilst driving - although that wasn't recommended.
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Just spoke to local Seat (JCT600) and they are a new Revo dealer so still waiting to get set up. The gent dealing with Revo is on hols so should be back in 2 weeks.
Once they are set up... i will be straight over to them to get mine done. Should be easily on about 3000 miles by then :evil:
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Good man!
Just a quick update 5 days on: the 'nervous' DSG I mentioned seems to have calmed down now and is as smooth as it was before. Acceleration is fantastic, although I now have to think more about the front wheels' losing grip than I did before. Basically, in the stock car, when I wanted to accelerate briskly I would just press the throttle pedal as far as it would go. With the remap I find I need a slighlty more delicate approach, even if the final result is much more convincing :smiley:
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Yes froggy, just deliver the power smoothly. I can wheelspin in second in the dry and third in the damp if i nail it but getting the extra power down is easy once you're used to it
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Hi Guys,
Very interesting thread, thanks Frog for bringing that up, I do learn plenty of things.
I would be also doubtfull to leave a remap in the hands of a dodgy pot bellied biker-ish kind of guy in backstreet garage...mhhh :shocked:
Somehow, it does not fit your standards Frog. You look very cautious with your vehicule.
Make no mistake this remap should be handled by engineers type of guys.
I found out one remapper in Belgium. This is what a remap should be about: professionalism
Take a look at www.shiftec.be: a 260cv/400nm remap for 726 euros
They are pretty much educated staffed, and you car will get its custom made remap.
Measures will be taken on the power bench before, and after and as a result you'll get a personalised power graph of your car
(http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/14/37/65/18/golf_v10.jpg)
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Hi Guys,
Very interesting thread, thanks Frog for bringing that up, I do learn plenty of things.
I would be also doubtfull to leave a remap in the hands of a dodgy pot bellied biker-ish kind of guy in backstreet garage...mhhh :shocked:
Somehow, it does not fit your standards Frog. You look very cautious with your vehicule.
Make no mistake this remap should be handled by engineers type of guys.
This dealer does sound a bit lax (guessing it's Ashfords), but the two REVO dealers nearest to me do a full diagnostic check on the car before any files are loaded to the vehicle. They then accompany you on a little test drive to make sure all is okay and tweak the map for any adjustments you need. Only when they (and you) are 100% happy do they take your money.
I would expect a professional service from a REVO dealer, you pay top dollar for their re-maps and REVO as a company do take a bit of pride in their customer service to say the least.
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I've remapped 3 cars with 3 different companies and TBH, they have all been a bit seedy. To be fair, my Revo dealer has done an excellent job in spite of initial appearances. However, I probably wouldn't use them again and I suppose that's what counts.
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I think the problem is (after speaking to them on the phone) that they just cant get enough dealers on their books.
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I think the problem is (after speaking to them on the phone) that they just cant get enough dealers on their books.
Interesting. I was thinking of contacting them re. setting up a franchise over here as part of my business. I think remapping is illegal in France, however, must look into it...
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I think the problem is (after speaking to them on the phone) that they just cant get enough dealers on their books.
Interesting. I was thinking of contacting them re. setting up a franchise over here as part of my business. I think remapping is illegal in France, however, must look into it...
I think they would jump on the chance to a have a dealer over in France. Im in Leeds which is a relatively large city, and we dont have one?? :undecided:
The only danger of this is Revo getting themselves a set of dealers that dont live upto the standard of CS they provide themselves. Although the product they supply will ofcourse be exactly the same... £500 does warrant some professionalism.
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Hi Guys,
Very interesting thread, thanks Frog for bringing that up, I do learn plenty of things.
I would be also doubtfull to leave a remap in the hands of a dodgy pot bellied biker-ish kind of guy in backstreet garage...mhhh :shocked:
Somehow, it does not fit your standards Frog. You look very cautious with your vehicule.
Make no mistake this remap should be handled by engineers type of guys.
I found out one remapper in Belgium. This is what a remap should be about: professionalism
Take a look at www.shiftec.be: a 260cv/400nm remap for 726 euros
They are pretty much educated staffed, and you car will get its custom made remap.
Measures will be taken on the power bench before, and after and as a result you'll get a personalised power graph of your car
(http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/14/37/65/18/golf_v10.jpg)
How good does that GTI look sitting there. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :drool:
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Yeah, I'm still gutted we never managed to get a white one. :sad:
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Yeah, I'm still gutted we never managed to get a white one. :sad:
Why couldn't you get a white one? I thought it was one of the more common colours.
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Those of you guys who have done the remap, is there any change for the top speed or only a quicker 0-60?
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No idea I'm afraid. I live in the UK and thus have no use for anything above 70mph. :lipsrsealed:
However in theory it is possible that the top speed could very slightly be increased by the fact the car holds onto its power longer before tailing off at the very top end. This would be marginal though as the GTI has a K03 turbo which is designed for fast spool up at low revs and a lively mid range. The Golf R has a K04 turbo which would indeed have a higher top speed than a standard one as it is designed to hold its power higher up the rev range better than the K03. The K04 doesn't spool quite as quickly at low revs though, but this is marginal and its a very tuneable unit. In short, by far the biggest gain on a REVO'd GTI is in the mid-range where the added torque struts its stuff.
Perfectly happy with my K03 though (for the warranty period at least). :nerd:
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In situations where you can actually get the power down - straight line, dry surface - acceleration and mid-range pick-up is significantly better since the remap. I have never measured it, but working on VW's official figure of 6.9 seconds 0-60 with the standard engine, I would say it was down to about 6 seconds dead with the Revo remap. It's all pretty academic though, as is top speed; the fastest I have gone so far is about 110mph and only for a few seconds.
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Better way to judge performance gains imo is to compare ingear times before modification and after.
So for example
30-70 mph through the gears (Often used when overtaking)
30-50 in 3rd & 4th gear
50-70 in 4th, 5th and 6th gear.
That way your taking away the variable of the drivers ability of getting a good standing start. (Even with DSG and launch control, grip/tyres/road conditions etc will effect it)
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Agreed Snoops, I've always bought the GTIs because of their mid-range performance (ie. useable on road performance) and thus prefer the K03 GTIs and the 8v'ers of old to the higher revving (more powerful) versions that have also been available. Using the Snoopy table above, the REVO (or other software) really comes into its own.
I think Paling was interested more in the top speed because he's based in Germany. As said, completely academic to most of the rest of us.
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The figures i posted i would be interested in. So if anyone would like to do a before and after table of them it would be much apreciated.
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I've only seen the figures for standard cars, I've yet to see a road test of a modified MK6 GTI, only a scirocco in VW Driver which was more mk5 based engine wise.
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The biggest limitation on the golf's top speed (and all other golf shaped cars) is aerodynamics rather than power. The 'sheer drop' design of the back is not good aerodynamically and after a point is difficult to overcome with shear horsepower. Saloon shaped cars a are much better aerodynamically in this respect.
Comparing the mk5 GTI and R32's, even though the R had considerably more HP the top speeds weren't that different as the aerodynamics were much the same.
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As it was dry and sunny this afternoon, I decided to take the car out and try to measure the 0-60mph time using the Launch Control function on the DSG 'box. I had never tried this before and I was only going to do it once for the sake of my clutch! Using the stopwatch on my iPhone and trying to be as fair and accurate as I could, the result was a rather surprising 5.48 seconds :shocked:
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As it was dry and sunny this afternoon, I decided to take the car out and try to measure the 0-60mph time using the Launch Control function on the DSG 'box. I had never tried this before and I was only going to do it once for the sake of my clutch! Using the stopwatch on my iPhone and trying to be as fair and accurate as I could, the result was a rather surprising 5.48 seconds :shocked:
Good result - slightly better than I'd expected. Isn't there an iphone app specifically for measuring 0-60 acceleration?
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As it was dry and sunny this afternoon, I decided to take the car out and try to measure the 0-60mph time using the Launch Control function on the DSG 'box. I had never tried this before and I was only going to do it once for the sake of my clutch! Using the stopwatch on my iPhone and trying to be as fair and accurate as I could, the result was a rather surprising 5.48 seconds :shocked:
Hmm.. very good result there. :smiley:
Looking forward to my remap :evil:
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As it was dry and sunny this afternoon, I decided to take the car out and try to measure the 0-60mph time using the Launch Control function on the DSG 'box. I had never tried this before and I was only going to do it once for the sake of my clutch! Using the stopwatch on my iPhone and trying to be as fair and accurate as I could, the result was a rather surprising 5.48 seconds :shocked:
Good result - slightly better than I'd expected. Isn't there an iphone app specifically for measuring 0-60 acceleration?
Dynolicious :smiley:
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Hmm.. very good result there. :smiley:
Looking forward to my remap :evil:
Just looking forward to getting my car :cry: (:smiley:)
BTW - Good results on the performance
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Excellent article. A couple of questions for Frog and Gossa or possibly others.
Does the Revo remap really help fuel consumption for "normal" use and if so by how much
Also, any views on the superchips oiption - especially as with Bluefin it is "reversible"
Rocks
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Also, any views on the superchips oiption - especially as with Bluefin it is "reversible"
Rocks
Superchips have always been just as popular revo, so it boils down to personal preference. the blufin is not "reversible", it just reverts to a bluefin version of a std map. A dealer will return it to normal map should you require :smiley:
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The Revo doesn't make the GTI any worse on fuel in normal driving, I wouldn't say it makes it any better.
I spoke to a couple of dealers who sell both Revo and Bluefin. They said they would run Revo on their own car. That says one of two things. Either it's better or there is a higher profit margin on Revo so they'd prefer you to buy that!!! :laugh:
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The idea of having some control over the engine management system, as you appear to get with Bluefin, did appeal to me, but I was put off by a member on here who pointed out that Superchips claim to be specialists of just about every engine on the market, which is a contradiction in terms. Revo only do VAG & Porsche engines and that's basically what swayed it for me.
Regarding fuel consumption, I would have to say that unfortunately it hasn't really made much difference: it's no worse, but it's no better either. This came as a bit of a disappointment, as fuel consumption on my remapped BMW 330d (300hp/600Nm) went down by about 5mpg after the operation.
Post remap, my GTI now goes as well as it sounds, the only caveat is that traction is now a (slight) issue. I fully understand why the R comes with 4WD :wink:
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Okay I'll shove my serious head on for a minute.
I've had 3 1.8t's, all re-mapped by different companies, and Revo had by far the best map in my eyes as an open minded customer with no particular loyalty. I had a different brand of map again on my mk5. I was never 100% happy with it although I could never quite point the finger as to why. I have Revo on my mk6 and don't have any complaints (yet!). See my rolling road thread from last week for those that haven't looked at it. The car didn't disgrace itself using cheap fuel and also considering a lot of cars were coming out pretty down on power on the same day.
I've also had a few PD TDIs, again all re-mapped, and I preferred the one I had Revo on. It was a bit of an animal!
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Theres lots of revo fan boys out there but from a bad personal experience with an early map for a 1.8T210 i will never be one of them :angry:
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That's a shame Snoopy. I've found Revo have been quite helpful when I've had questions. Having a good local dealer also makes a big difference. That said I'm quite willing to try other re-maps if I can trust the seller and dealer and the price is right. There's a lot of choice out there.
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I would say after you stop driving like a mentalist (which is hard after you've unleashed the beast!) MPG improves by about 10% after the remap.
Agree with Frog, you have to watch for traction after the remap.
Overall, I have only ever had one car remapped before but will probably have every car done I own after this. Just looking to get my 150hp Vito van done now.
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Forgot to mention the real benefits, midrange acceleration, real world performance is where the biggest gains are. Overtaking etc is much improved with little torque steer which was a real issue on my Scirocco, the GTI chassis seems well sorted, obviously helped by my excellent Dunlop tyres!! :grin: :grin:
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^ can someone try and time some real world midrange performance figures for a comparison?
Figures like magazines use so we can compare to a standard car. 30-50 3rd, 30-50 4th, 50-70 3rd, 50-70 5th, 50-70 6th as an example.
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I would say after you stop driving like a mentalist (which is hard after you've unleashed the beast!)...
Agreed :cool:
Overall, I have only ever had one car remapped before but will probably have every car done I own after this. Just looking to get my 150hp Vito van done now.
Lol, I was thinking of having my 140hp Transit done, too :laugh:
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
Take the remap off and dont tell them. Thats what Im doing . . . . .
I would never buy a car thats been remapped exactly for that reason.
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Do you guys find it's more difficult to then sell the GTI on when your ready to, as any prospective buyer will 'think/know' its been thrashed as its been remapped ?
Take the remap off and dont tell them. Thats what Im doing . . . . .
I would never buy a car thats been remapped exactly for that reason.
i dont think every one that would be doing a remap. would be thrashing there motors ill be getting mine done to smooth out the flaws and the more torque and probably never thrash the life out off it
also what about these boxes like the blufin ones. where you can put your car back to standard for servicing and again selling the car on. and use the blufin thing to remap your next car .
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i dont think every one that would be doing a remap. would be thrashing there motors ill be getting mine done to smooth out the flaws and the more torque and probably never thrash the life out off it
lol who the hell are you kidding? You get a remap to get more power so you can go faster. Smooth power / torque curve and more MPG is just a by product. What you just said is what you tell the Mrs so she lets you get it, not what your really going to do with it.
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What you just said is what you tell the Mrs so she lets you get it, not what your really going to do with it.
:grin:
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Also, any views on the superchips oiption - especially as with Bluefin it is "reversible"
Rocks
Superchips have always been just as popular revo, so it boils down to personal preference. the blufin is not "reversible", it just reverts to a bluefin version of a std map. A dealer will return it to normal map should you require :smiley:
i have to correct you on that, the bluefin uploads your Standard map to the handset!!, so yes it is reversable to stock if a dealer visit is apon you.
Revo are the ones that give "Their Version" and not the Oem one that was on your car.
Bluefin also has an antitheft option on it so you can leave you car in peace of mind, even though the perpitraitor may have knicked your keys,the car wont go anywhere :smug:.
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Also, any views on the superchips oiption - especially as with Bluefin it is "reversible"
Rocks
Superchips have always been just as popular revo, so it boils down to personal preference. the blufin is not "reversible", it just reverts to a bluefin version of a std map. A dealer will return it to normal map should you require :smiley:
i have to correct you on that, the bluefin uploads your Standard map to the handset!!, so yes it is reversable to stock if a dealer visit is apon you.
Revo are the ones that give "Their Version" and not the Oem one that was on your car.
Bluefin also has an antitheft option on it so you can leave you car in peace of mind, even though the perpitraitor may have knicked your keys,the car wont go anywhere :smug:.
i stand corrected :undecided:
So just to clarify... Bluefin do provide the exact VW map for you to revert back to??
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As it was dry and sunny this afternoon, I decided to take the car out and try to measure the 0-60mph time using the Launch Control function on the DSG 'box. I had never tried this before and I was only going to do it once for the sake of my clutch! Using the stopwatch on my iPhone and trying to be as fair and accurate as I could, the result was a rather surprising 5.48 seconds :shocked:
What I lerve about this place is that people take the time [no pun] to try stuff out for not only themselves but to share with others too!..
Top stuff Frog
Ava
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Hi all,
I was speaking to my local indie VW tech the other day, and mentioned getting a remap on the GTD (when I get it that is), and told him I was thinking of getting a Revo. Bear in mind that he is very PRO remap (he bought my old B5 Passat that has a very modified engine :cool:) and he was telling me that one of his other customers had a switchable revo map on his A3, the car went in to Audi for something or other and whilst in there they updated the software. Something on the remap was left in the ECU (it had a switchable map, and was switched to stock), and it basically screwed the ECU, the guy had to pay out for a new one.
Anyone else heard of this?
Sounds like it could be true from what has been said about Revo providing their own version of the stock map?
I`m not trying to scare people, I really fancy getting the Revo, but it sounds like the Bluefin may be a better choice.
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It may well be true. I was aware that I would be taking a risk in having my engine management system messed about with and I have no idea what I will do if anything goes wrong. However, IMHO, the resulting increase in performance is worth the risk and I am prepared to live with it. In much the same way as owning a fast car slightly increases the risk of your having a fatal road accident...
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Hi all,
I was speaking to my local indie VW tech the other day, and mentioned getting a remap on the GTD (when I get it that is), and told him I was thinking of getting a Revo. Bear in mind that he is very PRO remap (he bought my old B5 Passat that has a very modified engine :cool:) and he was telling me that one of his other customers had a switchable revo map on his A3, the car went in to Audi for something or other and whilst in there they updated the software. Something on the remap was left in the ECU (it had a switchable map, and was switched to stock), and it basically screwed the ECU, the guy had to pay out for a new one.
Anyone else heard of this?
Sounds like it could be true from what has been said about Revo providing their own version of the stock map?
I`m not trying to scare people, I really fancy getting the Revo, but it sounds like the Bluefin may be a better choice.
Maybe email Revo with your concern and see what they say?
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Hi all,
I was speaking to my local indie VW tech the other day, and mentioned getting a remap on the GTD (when I get it that is), and told him I was thinking of getting a Revo. Bear in mind that he is very PRO remap (he bought my old B5 Passat that has a very modified engine :cool:) and he was telling me that one of his other customers had a switchable revo map on his A3, the car went in to Audi for something or other and whilst in there they updated the software. Something on the remap was left in the ECU (it had a switchable map, and was switched to stock), and it basically screwed the ECU, the guy had to pay out for a new one.
Anyone else heard of this?
Sounds like it could be true from what has been said about Revo providing their own version of the stock map?
I`m not trying to scare people, I really fancy getting the Revo, but it sounds like the Bluefin may be a better choice.
Updating an ECU will remove any map or cause problems. I simply tell VW that my car is remapped and that don't want any ECU "updates".
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Also, any views on the superchips oiption - especially as with Bluefin it is "reversible"
Rocks
Superchips have always been just as popular revo, so it boils down to personal preference. the blufin is not "reversible", it just reverts to a bluefin version of a std map. A dealer will return it to normal map should you require :smiley:
i have to correct you on that, the bluefin uploads your Standard map to the handset!!, so yes it is reversable to stock if a dealer visit is apon you.
Revo are the ones that give "Their Version" and not the Oem one that was on your car.
Bluefin also has an antitheft option on it so you can leave you car in peace of mind, even though the perpitraitor may have knicked your keys,the car wont go anywhere :smug:.
i stand corrected :undecided:
So just to clarify... Bluefin do provide the exact VW map for you to revert back to??
The cars origonal map swops places with the Factory map, it uploads the map 1st, then you download the new to take its place, but in all the while, your factory map stays on the Bluefin handset in your home :smiley:
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Also, any views on the superchips oiption - especially as with Bluefin it is "reversible"
Rocks
Superchips have always been just as popular revo, so it boils down to personal preference. the blufin is not "reversible", it just reverts to a bluefin version of a std map. A dealer will return it to normal map should you require :smiley:
i have to correct you on that, the bluefin uploads your Standard map to the handset!!, so yes it is reversable to stock if a dealer visit is apon you.
Revo are the ones that give "Their Version" and not the Oem one that was on your car.
Bluefin also has an antitheft option on it so you can leave you car in peace of mind, even though the perpitraitor may have knicked your keys,the car wont go anywhere :smug:.
i stand corrected :undecided:
So just to clarify... Bluefin do provide the exact VW map for you to revert back to??
The cars origonal map swops places with the Factory map, it uploads the map 1st, then you download the new to take its place, but in all the while, your factory map stays on the Bluefin handset in your home :smiley:
Cheers Phil :wink:
Right that changes things slightly, or does it :undecided:
Am I right to assume the dealership will still know the map has been changed/changed back by the flash count??
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Right, here we are, this is why i wanted bluefin, you keep the origonal map as this link confirms :wink:
Only if the delve into the ecu's inner self that they would be able to tell. If you cars modified in looks (like Mine) then your shagged lol.
I removed mine for service or any dealer Visit incase one of the Technitions fancied a sneaky blast.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html
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Sounds good, but 20hp down on Revo.
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Sounds good, but 20hp down on Revo.
I would imagine it's only between 5-10bhp in real figures... but there will be little in it i would imagine.
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Sounds good, but 20hp down on Revo.
I would imagine it's only between 5-10bhp in real figures... but there will be little in it i would imagine.
Correct, on the road, nothing in it.Mine Ran 278 and 283 on two different occasions, stage one Bluefin, where as revo stage 1 Ed30's will run 280 -285. (This is the K04 not the smaller k03 in the mk6)
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Sounds good, but 20hp down on Revo.
I would imagine it's only between 5-10bhp in real figures... but there will be little in it i would imagine.
Correct, on the road, nothing in it.Mine Ran 278 and 283 on two different occasions, stage one Bluefin, where as revo stage 1 Ed30's will run 280 -285. (This is the K04 not the smaller k03 in the mk6)
Wigit on sciroccocentral reckoned his ED30 was revo stage 1'd to 300? Ambitious I know....
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^^that was run on superchips dyno which gave everyone on mk5golfgti.co.uk rolling road a 10% hike in readings.
Mine had run at JKM in portsmouth on Dyno Dynamics which tend to be more believable.
Tis one of the few places that if you put on a standard car will run Vw claimed horsepower. Not 230 for a stock Gti like at superchips or 255 like mine did before i had it mapped!! :embarassed:
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I read a lot of claims of around 280bhp for a simple remap on engines with a K03, but are they realistic - surely 250bhp is closer to the truth?
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250 is still high for a standard Gti in just stage one. 230 to 240 is more believeable. Once you start adding exhaust and intake, 250 is then achievable.
Have a look at this and see what i mean
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/dyno.htm
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http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryRollingroad.htm
Im the one wearing the Black T-shirt :smiley:
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250 is still high for a standard Gti in just stage one. 230 to 240 is more believeable. Once you start adding exhaust and intake, 250 is then achievable.
Have a look at this and see what i mean
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/dyno.htm
Thanks Phil - good link. I just noticed, yours is an Ed30. But I was refering to the claims of re-mapped Mk6 GTI engines outputting 260+, which I'm not sure I believe.
EDIT: I just looked at Revos website and realised their 275+ claims for the Mk6 are running on 98 or higher octane. Still skeptical though.
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250 is still high for a standard Gti in just stage one. 230 to 240 is more believeable. Once you start adding exhaust and intake, 250 is then achievable.
Have a look at this and see what i mean
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/dyno.htm
Thanks Phil - good link. I just noticed, yours is an Ed30. But I was refering to the claims of re-mapped Mk6 GTI engines outputting 260+, which I'm not sure I believe.
EDIT: I just looked at Revos website and realised their 275+ claims for the Mk6 are running on 98 or higher octane. Still skeptical though.
That map on the revo website was developed on my car and I run it on 99. They reckoned my car had more than stock BHP (225 non mapped) which is kind hard to fathom, at some point i'll get it on another dyno to confirm.
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That map on the revo website was developed on my car and I run it on 99. They reckoned my car had more than stock BHP (225 non mapped) which is kind hard to fathom, at some point i'll get it on another dyno to confirm.
So it went from 225 to 275bhp? That's a 22% increase, so applying that to the factory figure of 210bhp gives 256bhp - a figure I would be more inclined to believe.
On a separate point, I went to Revo's website to get some background on them - but there's no history. Any one know who they are, what backgrounds they come from etc? I'm going to give them a call tomorrow but I'd like some independent feedback too.
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That map on the revo website was developed on my car and I run it on 99. They reckoned my car had more than stock BHP (225 non mapped) which is kind hard to fathom, at some point i'll get it on another dyno to confirm.
So it went from 225 to 275bhp? That's a 22% increase, so applying that to the factory figure of 210bhp gives 256bhp - a figure I would be more inclined to believe.
On a separate point, I went to Revo's website to get some background on them - but there's no history. Any one know who they are, what backgrounds they come from etc? I'm going to give them a call tomorrow but I'd like some independent feedback too.
Superchips rollers tend to over read at approx 10%, so mid 250's would be correct.
Forgot that the k03 in the mk6 is 207bhp std and not 197bhp.
So 250ish with no other mods would be about right :smiley:
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That map on the revo website was developed on my car and I run it on 99. They reckoned my car had more than stock BHP (225 non mapped) which is kind hard to fathom, at some point i'll get it on another dyno to confirm.
So it went from 225 to 275bhp? That's a 22% increase, so applying that to the factory figure of 210bhp gives 256bhp - a figure I would be more inclined to believe.
On a separate point, I went to Revo's website to get some background on them - but there's no history. Any one know who they are, what backgrounds they come from etc? I'm going to give them a call tomorrow but I'd like some independent feedback too.
If you have a look at my rolling road thread, mine came in at 260bhp using cheapo super unleaded 97RON. So 22% would be a reasonable conservative figure using good fuel.
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If you have a look at my rolling road thread, mine came in at 260bhp using cheapo super unleaded 97RON. So 22% would be a reasonable conservative figure using good fuel.
Thanks Exonian. How does the XDS cope with nearly 300lbft torque - which is 40lbft more than the Scirocco R?
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So far so good. The torque doesn't come in with a big spike at spool up unlike some cheapo re-maps so traction isn't too much of a problem in normal driving conditions, and I'm hoping the clutch will be okay too as this would suffer if the torque came in with a wallop low down too. Mind you I do like maps where the torque comes in with a big kick at 2000 rpm!
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Im seriously split between this and the bluefin now :undecided:
Does the revo not allow you to upload the std map and keep it, so if you require you can go back to VW std and not Revo std??
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No, unfortunately not. I'm sure REVO have a very good reason for this but I have no idea what that reason is!
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No, unfortunately not. I'm sure REVO have a very good reason for this but I have no idea what that reason is!
that does concern me slightly... but not as much as people having issues with bluefin and then not getting the level of service they require to rectify the problem. Have very very rarely heard of a revo related problem, if at all. :undecided:
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No, unfortunately not. I'm sure REVO have a very good reason for this but I have no idea what that reason is!
that does concern me slightly... but not as much as people having issues with bluefin and then not getting the level of service they require to rectify the problem. Have very very rarely heard of a revo related problem, if at all. :undecided:
Snoopy had a Revo problem on a previous car. So far I've found both Revo and their local agent very good (touch wood).
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Im seriously split between this and the bluefin now :undecided:
Does the revo not allow you to upload the std map and keep it, so if you require you can go back to VW std and not Revo std??
According to my Revo guy (so take with a pinch), they wouldn't be able to tell if you put the stock map back before a dealer visit.
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Im seriously split between this and the bluefin now :undecided:
Does the revo not allow you to upload the std map and keep it, so if you require you can go back to VW std and not Revo std??
According to my Revo guy (so take with a pinch), they wouldn't be able to tell if you put the stock map back before a dealer visit.
They should be able to get a rough idea by looking at the ECU flash count.
Proving that it was flashed because it had a remap is a different matter.
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from my understanding the mk6gti will acheive bigger gains from a remap than a mk5gti this is due to the new TSI enging having an improved fuel pump over the TFSI.
so 260-270hp depending on fuel sounds about right.
I ain't a Revo fan boy, I have just experienced both on my ED30 and the difference in performance I noticed when I changed from Superhcips to Revo was immense
Also the ability to adjust settings with the select plus switch depending on the fuel you are using (95 /99 ron) and other contibuting factors such as outside temp is a major plus.
It may cost a bit more than others but it my experience you get what you pay for.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=933.msg87405#msg87405
- reply 42 - i believe the scirocco has the same engine as the mk6gti..
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Im seriously split between this and the bluefin now :undecided:
Does the revo not allow you to upload the std map and keep it, so if you require you can go back to VW std and not Revo std??
no but you can ask your revo dealer to take a copy of your existing file (although they probably already have one for your ECU) who can put it back at any time. The revo switches are just that.. switches to alter parts in the same single map file. The bluefin/st3/alientech units re-write the entire flash each time... thats why it takes several minutes.
To be honest a dealership probably wouldn't even notice if you left it in performance mode when its just in for normal service work. They don't have the tools to read the ecu map, and wouldn't know what they were looking at even if they did - but rest assured if they go looking for it, they will find it... usually with the help of a 3rd party. Fancy flash tools that reset the counter every time won't protect you completely if they get a specialist in to start nosing around!
Best to be up front with the dealer - there is no reason for it to void your warranty. If any of you have GAP insurance though i suggest you check the T&C's... there is usually something about modifications in there.
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Best to be up front with the dealer - there is no reason for it to void your warranty
unless you have a failure which could be attributed to running higher boost pressure, of course. Don't get me wrong though, I intend to remap my car when I get it but have it serviced by a specialist rather than VW.
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Im seriously split between this and the bluefin now :undecided:
Does the revo not allow you to upload the std map and keep it, so if you require you can go back to VW std and not Revo std??
no but you can ask your revo dealer to take a copy of your existing file (although they probably already have one for your ECU) who can put it back at any time. The revo switches are just that.. switches to alter parts in the same single map file. The bluefin/st3/alientech units re-write the entire flash each time... thats why it takes several minutes.
To be honest a dealership probably wouldn't even notice if you left it in performance mode when its just in for normal service work. They don't have the tools to read the ecu map, and wouldn't know what they were looking at even if they did - but rest assured if they go looking for it, they will find it... usually with the help of a 3rd party. Fancy flash tools that reset the counter every time won't protect you completely if they get a specialist in to start nosing around!
Best to be up front with the dealer - there is no reason for it to void your warranty. If any of you have GAP insurance though i suggest you check the T&C's... there is usually something about modifications in there.
Cheers Toph :wink:
my insurance company is well aware of my intention to remap so I had it added from the day I got the car, inc 19" wheels. Looks like I am swaying back over to the revo side :evil:
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If any of you have GAP insurance though i suggest you check the T&C's... there is usually something about modifications in there.
Excellent point! Chances are slim, but there's at least one owner here who wrote off their Mk5 not so long ago, so defo worth bearing in mind!
I wonder if claims' assessors go onto internet forums to investigate what owners do to their cars? Wouldn't be too hard, esp if that owner posted about the accident!
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If any of you have GAP insurance though i suggest you check the T&C's... there is usually something about modifications in there.
Excellent point! Chances are slim, but there's at least one owner here who wrote off their Mk5 not so long ago, so defo worth bearing in mind!
I wonder if claims' assessors go onto internet forums to investigate what owners do to their cars? Wouldn't be too hard, esp if that owner posted about the accident!
I dont think its common practice as it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Although I can vaguely remember one member on here who was insured by adrian flux (who do or used to sponser the site) being involved in an incident. Due to them not declaring some modd's or something their policy was void. :undecided:
Its just not worth the risk to save a few quid