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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: t-tim44 on 26 August 2009, 21:07
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Looking through the forum with search function + DIY guides but...
Have a 95 2.0 GTI 8v ADY. What is the usual way of gaining more power used by you fine folks? I want around 200bhp or there abouts (is this even possible) so is getting a 16v lump the first step? Dont want a VR6 (personal choice). What do people usually do and what is the outcome? Do you need new gearbags etc? I'm an apprentice mechanic so doing the work myself is no prob, though like all these bloody projects, money is :wink:
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:rolleyes:
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as i have the 8v also the first step get away from the 8v
second im lost so will be watching this thread intently :grin:
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If your looking for 200bhp, forget the 16v and go for a 1.8t
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Realistically I don't think you will get 200bhp from an 8v without turbo or supercharger and other work.
From a 16v you will need headwork, cams, matchporting inlet and exhaust manifolds, individual throttle bodies, stand alone management, remap etc. Cost you about 2 to 3k to do it properly. £300 porting, £300 cams, ITB's £600, management and associated bits £1000, remap £250 all approx.
As Wayne says cheaper and easier to go for a 1.8 turbo lump and have it remapped.
Paul
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http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=124485.0
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By V-TEC kicking in yo'.
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By V-TEC kicking in yo'.
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo202/loki_1986/vtec.jpg)
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The 16v will be more efficient and reliable and 200bhp is easily achievable.
The 1.8t will have to run at a higher boost and that can blow turbos! And its not just a remap!
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The 16v will be more efficient and reliable and 200bhp is easily achievable.
The 1.8t will have to run at a higher boost and that can blow turbos! And its not just a remap!
your 16v running 200bhp then len as its so 'easy'
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Realistically I don't think you will get 200bhp from an 8v without turbo or supercharger and other work.
From a 16v you will need headwork, cams, matchporting inlet and exhaust manifolds, individual throttle bodies, stand alone management, remap etc. Cost you about 2 to 3k to do it properly. £300 porting, £300 cams, ITB's £600, management and associated bits £1000, remap £250 all approx.
As Wayne says cheaper and easier to go for a 1.8 turbo lump and have it remapped.
Paul
The 16v will be more efficient and reliable and 200bhp is easily achievable.
The 1.8t will have to run at a higher boost and that can blow turbos! And its not just a remap!
So easily achievable and cheap then. :rolleyes:
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Yea easy! Bolt on stuff mainly! :grin:
Stage 3 or whatever head. (inc. cams/valves etc.)
Throttle bodies and a new chip!
Never said it wouldnt cost!
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Realistically I don't think you will get 200bhp from an 8v without turbo or supercharger and other work.
From a 16v you will need headwork, cams, matchporting inlet and exhaust manifolds, individual throttle bodies, stand alone management, remap etc. Cost you about 2 to 3k to do it properly. £300 porting, £300 cams, ITB's £600, management and associated bits £1000, remap £250 all approx.
As Wayne says cheaper and easier to go for a 1.8 turbo lump and have it remapped.
Paul
The 16v will be more efficient and reliable and 200bhp is easily achievable.
The 1.8t will have to run at a higher boost and that can blow turbos! And its not just a remap!
So easily achievable and cheap then. :rolleyes:
It will take you 2 to £3k to break the 200bhp barrier on a 16v, but you can get very close to 200bhp for a lot less money.
Headwork and manifold porting £300, inlet cam £150, remap £250, and a few other little bits. So for under a £1000 you could get to nearly 200bhp on a valver.
To swap to a turbo engine will cost you the price of the engine and ancilliaries, plus extra for the parts for the conversion, and you will have the added bonus of having to replace your turbo in the future, sooner rather than later if you have it remapped.
Engine swops make no sense, tuning an 8v, 16v, or VR6 makes no sense, go and buy a car thats got what you want straight from the factory, save the money and hassle. If we all thought like this we would all be driving around in the same car and the world would be a boring place.
Modifying, tuning, engine swops, customising are all what makes the car scene more interesting, if no-one did it the magazines and shows would be very boring - looking at and reading about standard cars as they came out of the factory.
Some people are polishers (not my cup of tea), some people want the best mechanically, some are just happy to drive the car as it is, each to their own, neither of the first two ways make financial sense. Owning a car can become a passion and getting rid of that car can become hard to do, thats why people spend more money on converting that car either cosmetically or mechanically.
Just my take on things
Paul
PS Len you drive the right car engine wise but lose those blue lights.
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^^Spot on advice
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
Changing an engine is no problem. Done it many times, like for like.
I just think start with the base vehicle you want then modify in stages.
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well in next couple of weeks i'm off down the rolling road, see how much more the 16v needs to get past 200 :)
why am i tuneing a 16V because i like them, allways have. i like NA 16v's and love boosted ones just cant really afford to build one to the spec i would end up building it to. 20v's can make power but thet feel a bit flat and meh. also playing on track with oe turbo choudl get expensive i think so i'll just settel for less power and brake less
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
Changing an engine is no problem. Done it many times, like for like.
I just think start with the base vehicle you want then modify in stages.
Not always as simple and easy as that. :smiley:
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
As I say each to their own - I wouldn't want you to change them because of my opinion.
Paul
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Can you not get close to 200bhp on a 16v by having a mk3 2ltr bottom end with kr head and cams and a four branch manifold i was told this would give around 180bhp on its own when i was looking into it? and im sure this could be done for under a grand??
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Can you not get close to 200bhp on a 16v by having a mk3 2ltr bottom end with kr head and cams and a four branch manifold i was told this would give around 180bhp on its own when i was looking into it? and im sure this could be done for under a grand??
180hp is half way to 200hp, 160hp is what the abf produces from factory....
getting the first 20hp is not that hard or expensive, but its getting those last 20hp that will prove harder and much more expensive.
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Can you not get close to 200bhp on a 16v by having a mk3 2ltr bottom end with kr head and cams and a four branch manifold i was told this would give around 180bhp on its own when i was looking into it? and im sure this could be done for under a grand??
Depends on what you call close, I was on about 195 plus BHP as close.
Initial gains are fairly easy with bolt on parts, but once you have done those it becomes harder and more expensive to go further.
I have read differing reports about the kr heads and cams. Some say they are better, but most say the abf head and cams are better suited. Depends whether you are running Kjet or Digi I suppose as to which head you will stick on.
Search for Ess Three's post on tuning the abf, he has listed his modifications and backed them up with dyno runs at most stages to see what works and what doesn't. From memory he is at the "close" to 200bhp stage.
Paul
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
As I say each to their own - I wouldn't want you to change them because of my opinion.
Paul
Dont think there is anybody on here that likes my blue lights! Never bothered me! I love em!
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
As I say each to their own - I wouldn't want you to change them because of my opinion.
Paul
Dont think there is anybody on here that likes my blue lights! Never bothered me! I love em!
Are they legal thought it was only emegency services that are allowed blue lights?
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
As I say each to their own - I wouldn't want you to change them because of my opinion.
Paul
Dont think there is anybody on here that likes my blue lights! Never bothered me! I love em!
Are they legal thought it was only emegency services that are allowed blue lights?
They can be any colour you like, so long as they don't show up blue. i.e you can have blue lenses so long as the light that shines through is the correct one. Hence why you put green bulbs behind red indicators to flash orange.
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Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay! :laugh:
As I say each to their own - I wouldn't want you to change them because of my opinion.
Paul
Dont think there is anybody on here that likes my blue lights! Never bothered me! I love em!
def like the blue lights their the shyt len
:cool: :grin: :smiley:
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cheers for advice (and some in-fighting lol). Well i'd be happy with even 180bhp. Just said 200 to give a rough idea what i was hopin for. I'm not a dreamer just tryin to make the car a bit more lively and exciting, seems a shame just to let it be standard and not get involved in it, after all bought it for £550 and all ive done is a timing belt and service in a year, hasnt given me any bother.
However..... :rolleyes:
Just spent £200ish quid gettin bits for it today (for ADY engine though) as it'll be a couple of months further saving before i'll be buyin engines and shiney things and the car needs some love to keep goin. Bought a clutch, breather pipes, rear wheel bearing, thermostat, abs sensor and oil filter. i'll be doin that over the next few weeks or whenever i can get a ramp free. Will do a step by step if anyone would think it useful?
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cheers for advice (and some in-fighting lol). Well i'd be happy with even 180bhp. Just said 200 to give a rough idea what i was hopin for. I'm not a dreamer just tryin to make the car a bit more lively and exciting, seems a shame just to let it be standard and not get involved in it, after all bought it for £550 and all ive done is a timing belt and service in a year, hasnt given me any bother.
However..... :rolleyes:
Just spent £200ish quid gettin bits for it today (for ADY engine though) as it'll be a couple of months further saving before i'll be buyin engines and shiney things and the car needs some love to keep goin. Bought a clutch, breather pipes, rear wheel bearing, thermostat, abs sensor and oil filter. i'll be doin that over the next few weeks or whenever i can get a ramp free. Will do a step by step if anyone would think it useful?
ADY's rule :grin:
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The ABF is actually 150bhp.
Getting close to 200bhp will cost a small fortune, and work.
Ess_Three's motor has had a sh!t load of mods done to it.
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The ABF is actually 150bhp.
Getting close to 200bhp will cost a small fortune, and work.
Ess_Three's motor has had a sh!t load of mods done to it.
Spot on, someone with some sense. :smiley:
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The ABF is actually 150bhp.
Getting close to 200bhp will cost a small fortune, and work.
Ess_Three's motor has had a sh!t load of mods done to it.
Spot on, someone with some sense. :smiley:
Yep serious power gains cost ££££££.