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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: VW2XS on 15 August 2009, 20:34
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Im a newbi here so firstly id like to say hello to all :smiley:
I am hoping somebody may be able to offer some sound advice
regarding a problem with a new starter motor?
I have a golf gti mk 2 16v big bumper 1991 H registration and have owned her for 3 years now,
it's not my first golf as i've had 2 others previous to this but in all that time i've never had to change
a starter motor and im now really stuck.
I've removed the old starter motor with out too much hassle and managed to purchase a new one.
Problem is on the old one I had a live wire and an earth wire which were both seperately connected
to the motor via they're own female clip/spade connectors.
The new starter motor however has only one spade connection and neither the original live/earth
wire clips can connect to it, im v.confused as im told the new motor is the correct one to have...
I've considered stripping the wires and fitting a standard female spade connector to
the live wire which could then be connected to the new motor but this still leaves the earth wire.
Could this possibly be wired into a standard ring connector and then be connected to the casing
with the main battery cable and earth perhaps?
Is this safe, can anybody help me out here?
Thanks in advance
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Where did you get the starter motor from? the dealer?
I had this problem years ago, the design has been changed apparently.
I got one from GSF which had the old design.
Sorry i can't help anymore :sad:
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Hello mate,
Tnx for the post.
I bought the new starter motor from german and swedish also and they're adament
that the part is the right one and fits many models lol but they couldnt advise on how to rewire
the new part. Im gonna try talking to a main dealer tomorrow and see what they say.
Tnx all the same, your input is appreciated :wink:
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Take the old one to them and show them the difference. Probably also worth emailing thier head office so they can advise staff and list the years thier version fits on the website.
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It might earth thru the mounting bolts..? :huh:
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Can you post pictures of both motors?
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funny you should say this as i was looking at mine yesterday and that has 2 spade connections.One on either side,Yet i only have one wire connected.I could probably dig out the invoice if need be to see where it was purchased
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The 1 wire is for the starter +ve. The starter itself earths through the bell housing > gearbox > chassis > battery.
Did you replace the bell housing bush when you fitted the new starter - if not, then pull it out and fit one.
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Hi all,
I cannot post any pics as the new starter motor is already on my car and I
part exchanged the old one on day of purchase which is standard practice for a discount.
Luckily i've now spoken to my sister-in-laws father who works as a mechanic and is gonna consult
his electrician workmate today on the possibility of re-routeing the earth wire to the casing safely
as suggested... Thinking about it this would make sense so i'll just have to wait and see.
Anyway im feeling confident that the issue will be resolved, it's just a shame i've been stressing out for a week
over something that should've taken half hour to complete and im missing my car too!
I'll keep this post updated and display my progress as soon as I find the remedie, maybe it can help
someone else who might come across the same issue in future.
Tnx for the posts guys, much appreciated!! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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The 1 wire is for the starter +ve. The starter itself earths through the bell housing > gearbox > chassis > battery.
Did you replace the bell housing bush when you fitted the new starter - if not, then pull it out and fit one.
Hello Ben,
Im sorry mate i've no idea what you mean by the bell housing im afraid??
Just to clarify things im no mechanic myself but I like to have a go where possible
so im unaware of most of the proper technical terms used.
Tnx :smiley:
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what you have is a non-k-jet starter. these only have 1 spade terminal for the starter trigger. K-jet cars need 2 spade connectors, the other one is for the cold start system. Tell the parts guy at G&S to stop being a muppet and order you the correct part.
the starter earths thru the bell housing, the red/black spade is the starter trigger and the spade with the 2 black wires is for the cold start system.
you need one of these:
90184 STARTER MOTOR-BOSCH G2 1.8 GTi/16V >90 (>Ch.1G-L-990000) 99.00
90185 STARTER MOTOR G2 1.8 GTi/16V >90 (>Ch.1G-L-990000) 62.00
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Im sorry mate i've no idea what you mean by the bell housing im afraid??
Just to clarify things im no mechanic myself but I like to have a go where possible
so im unaware of most of the proper technical terms used.
Tnx :smiley:
The bell housing is the area of the gearbox which the starter 'plugs' into. The bell housing bush is a copper(ish) ring that acts as the end bearing for the starter motor. It should always be replaced as a matter of course when replacing the starter. If it isn't replace and is worn, then the new starter won't last.
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Hi ben,
Tnx for explaining that for me I am definately with you now.
Yes the new motor came with a new bell housing bush, the copper ring.
As there was one already inside I didnt fit it but now you've mentioned it I will remove the old one
and replace it with the new, it can easily be done as i've not tried starting the car yet which is still
part of the problem.
The guy who sent the last post before you suggested I need the:
90184 STARTER MOTOR-BOSCH G2 1.8 GTi/16V >90 (>Ch.1G-L-990000) 99.00
This is supposedly the one I have bought and it only has one spade connection but otherwise
looks and fits exactly as the original did.
Could you possibly advise me on exactly what the red and black leads actually do??
This way I could make a decision whether I actually need the black one connected to anything
or whether I could leave it isolated ?
Thank you :smiley:
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for the wire functions, see my last post ;)
if the starter you got was definitly 90184 then GSF is selling the wrong part for the job, all KR 16vs require a dual spade starter motor.
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Hi rubjonny,
I've just read your last post mate and im kind of with you on this one.
I can only presume the motor I have is the 90184 as this is what I asked for but you could well be right
and im not certainly not 100% convinced but as i've already been back to them once to query the possibillity
id just like to be really sure im not making a mistake as they say I just need the red wire and this motor fits my
model and a few others.
Thanks for your interest in this issue im very greatful.
:smiley:
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Rubjonny,
Can you tell me what a KR 16V means or stands for pls?.
So is it worth me trying just the red trigger cable and isolateing the cold start 2 black wire trigger or
would I be completely wasting my time, or doing something dangerous?
I've taken everything you've said onboard and will take it back if need be.
Thanks :smiley:
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Sorry KR is the engine code for the MK2 16v :)
The black wire is for the 5th injector, if you leave this disconnected it wont spray while cranking over on the starter. This can make cold starts a bit tricky, especially in winter! It wont be dangerous or anything, just make sure the wire cant ground out anywhere as voltage comes thru it from the cold throttle enrichment system as well.
It's up to you if you want to leave it off or not, personally I'd take it back and either get it swapped for the right part or get your money back and go elsewhere :)
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Hi rubjonny,
Tnx for shedding some more light on the subject as it was a tad confusing.
You really appear to know your stuff and im inclined to go along with your analysis
and I really appreciate the time taken out to help me with this subject.
Think im gonna take it back and look elsewhere, sounds like the best idea.
Thanks again to everyone who has helped with this issue its all been much appreciated!
:wink:
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hi just wondered if you had sorted the problem with your starter motor out? as i need a new one but not sure if i want to buy from gsf if im going to have problems?