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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: plasticfantastic on 31 July 2009, 15:22
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Hi all,
Well im finally down to the last handfull of niggly jobs, as long as she doesn't throw any more at me!
Im in the middle of testing my upgraded headlight loom and have fun into a few complications! i have adapted danny_p's design from his website.
So far my problems are:
1, Dip beam and side lights have swapped positions on the headlight switch. Dip beam comes on with the first click and then goes to sidelights on the second.
2, When i go from dip beam to main beam all lights come on (dip, main, spots and fogs) this is what i wanted but was hoping this would only happen when the fog switch was on with main beam, but it does it regardless of the fog switch.
3, once i have switched to main beam i can no longer switch back to dip using the stalk, i have to turn the headlight switch to either off or position 2 for sides.
4, drivers front indicator doesnt work. (bulbs fine)
5, Horn is on continuosly (unplugged at the mo)
apart from that everything else works as it should.
there is a vast improvement in the intensity and brightness of the lights and is definately a worthwhile mod, once i sort these problems!
Any help is very much appreciated
cheers
EDIT
I have just been out and disconnected the dim dip resistor as per rubjonny's instructions, and i now have sidelights on both clicks of the headlight switch, and when you click the stalk the main beam, dip and spots all flash up but wont stay on?!
this is confusing the hell out of me!
someone please help! :cry:
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for the last bit. was your ignition on?
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yes it was, not sure what to try now.
i have disconnected the jumpers the go from pin 30 the output on the main beam relay to pin 87a on both other relays. this stops the dip and fogs being on with the main beam but all other problems still exist?!
cheers
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1. swap the 2 spade wires round that plug into the headlight plug
2. disconnect and bin the dim-dip resistor, its near driver side headlight, size n shape of a pack o polos with a yellow wire out of each end. follow the loom back and you'll find it plugs into a 2 pin connector
3. possibly casued by 2, if not check the plugs are all ok
4. disconnect the plug behind bumper and check the pins arnt all crudded up
5. take the wheel off and check the metal earth contact hasn't bent and contacted something metal, check all 3 screws holding stalks on are tight, check plugs are all in ok, check wires for damage behind there
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You got a wiring diagram of what you have done?
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it's pretty similar to danny_p's version here:
http://www.dannyp.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=58 (http://www.dannyp.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=58)
there is a wiring diagram at the bottom.
the main difference is, i have routed all the headlight wires to by the battery and have all six relays there.
i just cant figure out why the relays wont shut down, from main beam back to dip?! something must be backfeeding the relay?!
cheers
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First thing is to go through the whole lot and check everything is connected correctly.
The thing with the foglights is the way you have wired it. You are using the high beam light as a trigger, so they will come on with high beams, and not the fog light switch. You can change the trigger, but that will involve a re-wire etc...
i dont think having the high beam and low on at the same time is a good idea either. The bulb will get too hot and you could lose both high and low beam, and have to drive home on spots, whihch doesnt work well...
Check the circuit, and let me know what you find, confirm everything is the same as the diagram on the other page, if not - whats different?
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I belive there is also a problem with his diagram... the two outer relays (low and fog) should have 12V connected to 30. though this wouldnt normally be a problem, you cant use 87a in the way he is. 87 and 87a are the NO and NC connections, which should be connected to the two lamps, not one lamp and the battery.
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Im going to have a good go through it tomorrow, and probably have a bit of a rewire to. the more i sit here and think about it the more little changes i want to make!
i'll report back tomorrow!
Cheers,
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any chance you could come up with a diagram of how it should look?!
can i still use the same six relays would you say?
cheers
EDIT: Also what are No and Nc connections?!
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I can do a diagram, i'll show you what i have done. I have dipped beam, and then high beam plus fogs - with five relays.
I'll do one to use six relays - and you want fogs to be controlled by the fog light switch, not the high beam stalk?
NO and NC are normally open and normally closed.
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That would be wicked if you cold do that!
Fogs controlled by fog switch would be perfect.
This is the last job to finish and i can finally start using my car again, she's been off the road since april!
cheers
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that diagram dose work correctly. you can use dual pole relays as i have done, it's not the "normal way" but they happily function configured that way.
the loom was desinged with the intention of giveing maximum possible ouput for road rallyes ect
running both dim and dip fillaments at the same time, bulb life will proably be shorter to some degree but it's not that short in my experiance as mine are still working fine. the fog lights do come on as per normal with the switch on the dash they just happen to come on with the main beam in my chosen confuration if thats a problem just dont put the link in from the main beam relay to 87a on the dip beam or fog light relay.
none of the relays shoudl LOCK on it's not possible if done correctly the "coils" of the relays are connected directy to and only to the headlight connection of the fog connection.
in my digram the relay in the center if for MAIN beam, so with just that relay connected you will get your spot lights on and your main beam to start with. if you have linked across to 87a of the other two relays you will get everyting on at this point.
when the dip realy is energised power will flow from 87 > 30 and operate the lamp as per normal
connecting the lamp to pin 30 and the power to 87 is no diffrent to conencting the power to pin 30 and the lamp to 87 as far as the relay is concirned but dose allow to feed power in through 87a from the main beam realy if you wish to do so to bring everything on. that is the only differance between this loom and any other.
so build the loom up so dip main and fog lights all work correctly on there own then you link across from pin 87 on the main beam relay to 87a on the dip and fog rellays if you want to try the everyting on approach
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i do understand the theory of your diagram, and its why i chose to copy yours, love the idea of all that light for the country lanes!
i must have a connection or 2 wrong somewhere, i'll have a good look over it tomorrow. thought i might have been a little too tired at midnight last night to be soldering :grin:
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as for the problems you must be connecting one of the original headlight feeds to switch volts from one of the relays,
pins 86 and 85 are used to energise the relay, power comes froun the headlamp plug to one of these pins and returns through the ground in the headlamp plug though the other, ( or you can ground it to the battery, body, engine ) but i chose to go through the loom. so if you have more than 1 conenction to pin 85 or 86 on any of the relays taht is the problem and would cause them to lock on
get that part working correctly first. then rest shoudl explain itself
just split it down into sections build that bit, test , build next bit
I did it originaly for the extra light cant have to much when your driveing the lanes, but didn't want to add extra spotlights as it makes a mk2 golf look ghay very quickly so only option was to make the existing lights work harder.
fogs were added in beacuse there on the same gadgue wire in the loom so logic says they suffer volt drop to, but the real reason is i noticed they light the hedges quite well and ok your not soposed to drive with them on but hell lots of people do at least this way they turn off when you dip the lights, if you don't they'll get dazzeld quite well but full beam dose the anyway
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that diagram dose work correctly. you can use dual pole relays as i have done, it's not the "normal way" but they happily function configured that way.
the loom was desinged with the intention of giveing maximum possible ouput for road rallyes ect
running both dim and dip fillaments at the same time, bulb life will proably be shorter to some degree but it's not that short in my experiance as mine are still working fine. the fog lights do come on as per normal with the switch on the dash they just happen to come on with the main beam in my chosen confuration if thats a problem just dont put the link in from the main beam relay to 87a on the dip beam or fog light relay.
none of the relays shoudl LOCK on it's not possible if done correctly the "coils" of the relays are connected directy to and only to the headlight connection of the fog connection.
in my digram the relay in the center if for MAIN beam, so with just that relay connected you will get your spot lights on and your main beam to start with. if you have linked across to 87a of the other two relays you will get everyting on at this point.
when the dip realy is energised power will flow from 87 > 30 and operate the lamp as per normal
connecting the lamp to pin 30 and the power to 87 is no diffrent to conencting the power to pin 30 and the lamp to 87 as far as the relay is concirned but dose allow to feed power in through 87a from the main beam realy if you wish to do so to bring everything on. that is the only differance between this loom and any other.
so build the loom up so dip main and fog lights all work correctly on there own then you link across from pin 87 on the main beam relay to 87a on the dip and fog rellays if you want to try the everyting on approach
:rolleyes: Yeah, i can see that now.. Didnt look properly. Nothing wrong with the diagram in fact... I still wouldnt wire in the H4 lamps to use both filaments simultaneously though, i did and encountered lots of problems! The fog lamps and spot lamps will light up where the dipped beam is anyway.
Anyway, do you want a diagram from me still?
You definately need to check all connections...
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To be picky as well, i also wouldnt only use one power cable for all four lamps, as thats over 18A if you have 55W bulbs. Better to use two or three cables
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some bulbs may act diffrently to other's best option is then to leave a link pokeing out so you can allways disconnect it. all i can say is i havent had a fail yet.
the dip beam dose help light up just infrount of the car much better, and i like to tweek the spots for a bit more distance and as said fogs light the hedges. may sound odd but i'll make sense if you do loads of night driveing down small lanes.
as foe power cabels i looked at that, i used 2.5 mm2, that has no problem dealing with 18A, 2.5 is rated for 25A at least normaly and dont get much volt drop at all
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JMallows, Ye i'll still have a diagram if you dont mind, ill have something else to try!
i'll go through it all tomorrow, hopefully it will be something easy i have missed
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Hi all,
well an entire day of head scratching, soldering and relay bashing was had today! with an almost successful ending.
so far the list of problems was:
a green plug to the front indicator, now cleaned up and working fine!
the horn plug was wired directly to earth rather than the switched earth,
when i refitted the light stalk, one of the spade conectors bent to the side instead of going in, this caused all manner of odd issues!
after fixing that one the dim dip resistor really started to mess things up (i'd had been taking it in and out a few times, before fixing the stalk it actually made it work better with it on!)
also now i have stripped back all the relays and replaced with six 4 pole relays and now just have them to do dip, main and fogs seperately all was working fine for the test. then took the loom back out of the car, finished up the soldering and loom wrapping. It's now back in the car, but only the drivers side has decided to work, but when i wiggled the relays the passenger side flashed up so im pretty sure its all ok i just have to find the dodgy connection before sinking them in resin tomorrow!
I had enough by this point and while it was still sunny and now she was taxed i took her out for her first propper drive, did about 20 miles and she behaved brilliantly, very smooth power delivery and loads of torgue! :cool:
im pretty sure ill have her all sorted tomorrow, i'll keep you posted!
cheers
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I'm impressed with your persistance and methodical approach to problem solving, just shows that patience can be rewarding....... :cool: ..........I think I'd have torched it.........
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I'm impressed with your persistance and methodical approach to problem solving, just shows that patience can be rewarding....... :cool: ..........I think I'd have torched it.........
haha, cheers for that!
believe me i spat the dummy a few times. so did she, decided to go for a drive, she decided the drivers door handle doesn't need to work!
why is it when you fix one thing another breaks?! i guess its all in the fun and why we love these cars, plus i did have a very silly grin on my fave as the rev needle bounced over the top of the rev counter!! :grin:
jezza16v, glad you finally got your clocks sorted! (reminds me i have to find out why my speedo decided to stop too!)
cheers
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I'm impressed with your persistance and methodical approach to problem solving, just shows that patience can be rewarding....... :cool: ..........I think I'd have torched it.........
jezza16v, glad you finally got your clocks sorted! (reminds me i have to find out why my speedo decided to stop too!)
cheers
Ha! You haven't read my latest post on the clocks saga have you?.......... :laugh:
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some bulbs may act diffrently to other's best option is then to leave a link pokeing out so you can allways disconnect it. all i can say is i havent had a fail yet.
the dip beam dose help light up just infrount of the car much better, and i like to tweek the spots for a bit more distance and as said fogs light the hedges. may sound odd but i'll make sense if you do loads of night driveing down small lanes.
as foe power cabels i looked at that, i used 2.5 mm2, that has no problem dealing with 18A, 2.5 is rated for 25A at least normaly and dont get much volt drop at all
Lol, i live in Mid Wales, i have no neighbours, and road is about 1 car width plus 6inches - for about three miles. I do lots of fast driving down country lanes at night! Great fun :) All i have is single headlamps, and big bumper fogs, and i find the fogs light up where the dipped beam were, though i see what you mean about the adjustment of yours. Got a night picture of the light output?
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Hi all,
well an entire day of head scratching, soldering and relay bashing was had today! with an almost successful ending.
so far the list of problems was:
a green plug to the front indicator, now cleaned up and working fine!
the horn plug was wired directly to earth rather than the switched earth,
when i refitted the light stalk, one of the spade conectors bent to the side instead of going in, this caused all manner of odd issues!
after fixing that one the dim dip resistor really started to mess things up (i'd had been taking it in and out a few times, before fixing the stalk it actually made it work better with it on!)
also now i have stripped back all the relays and replaced with six 4 pole relays and now just have them to do dip, main and fogs seperately all was working fine for the test. then took the loom back out of the car, finished up the soldering and loom wrapping. It's now back in the car, but only the drivers side has decided to work, but when i wiggled the relays the passenger side flashed up so im pretty sure its all ok i just have to find the dodgy connection before sinking them in resin tomorrow!
I had enough by this point and while it was still sunny and now she was taxed i took her out for her first propper drive, did about 20 miles and she behaved brilliantly, very smooth power delivery and loads of torgue! :cool:
im pretty sure ill have her all sorted tomorrow, i'll keep you posted!
cheers
Now you have this sorted, i wont hurry to do a diagram, as have been busy working late etc... but i will do one for you :)
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Wicked cheers!
Where in mid wales are you? is that elan valley in you sig?!
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She's all sorted now! :smiley:
found another dodgy relay, replaced, and all is perfect. im now only using 4 relays, 1 for fogs, 1 for dip and 2 for main beam. after a bit of country lane action earlier my new lights are fantastic, no more orange glow from the front of my golf, brilliant white light. best i hae seen from standard 60w bulbs!
only mod i might make is still to get the dip on with main beam, then ill sink them into resin!
i'll try and get a pic of them lit up soon
cheers for all your help guys!
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Wicked cheers!
Where in mid wales are you? is that elan valley in you sig?!
I'm near Aberystwyth, about 7miles out. Near Blaenplwyf actually. It certainly is Elan valley, on the Rhayader mountain road, just at the top of the valley.
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cool, im just outside lampeter, nice to know there a few fellow dubbers in the hills! :grin:
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Anyway, here is what i have done.
Went from:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jmallows/c316dc7f.jpg)
Which often flickered etc due to dodgy connections etc...
To this:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jmallows/Headlightsafter.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/jmallows/DSC05561.jpg)
The wiring is the same as yours, except i use the two fogs - one for dip and one for high beam - both triggered from the factory loom. This is the same on both sides. Then, on one connection, i take a second trigger from the original factory high beam wire, and run this to a box in the bumper with one relay for both fog lights, and a relay for the horn.