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General => Car audio => Topic started by: Red_Tekk on 22 July 2009, 18:06
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Just wanted a bit of help with my new sound system, have a 3door GTI. Currently using stock front speakers and tweaters hooked up to my Alpine 104bti, 600W JBL amp in the back powering an old phoenix gold 12" Sub.
Ideally want some decent 6x9's powered by their own amp, a double sub box powered by its own amp and components in front and back. Would you say this is too much?! Do I need components in the back doors as well as the front?!?!
Am I right in thinking that the stock GTI 8v 2.0L doesn't come with rear speakers or are they just broken as they aren't sounding?!
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Ive got upgraded speakers front and back in mine, not components though. These paired with a 12" Sub and 750w amp sounds awesome. Ive got them going through a Pioneer DVD h/u and if i turn it up over 15 stuff starts to rattle and annoy me so its good enough for me :)
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audio section boys n girls?
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Power all the speakers through amps, it makes so much differance.
I've been through all the stages.
standard front&rear with sub = sounds ok, bass heavy loose treble
upgraded f&r and no sub = sounds really good
upgraded the fronts to components, the same rears powered by a 4 channel amp, added 2x 10in subs powered by a 2 channel amp = clean crisp sounds, and it doesn't stress out you head unit.
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upgraded the fronts to components, the same rears powered by a 4 channel amp, added 2x 10in subs powered by a 2 channel amp = clean crisp sounds, and it doesn't stress out you head unit.
So with this set up you think 6x9's are unnessacary?! To be honest I couldn't really be arsed with faffing about installing a stealth shelf and 6x9's?! Would amplified front and rear components be sufficient?!
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Decent quality components in the front driven by an amp, sub in the rear (obviously amped) are all you need.
Rear speakers just drag the sound stage backwards and 6 x 9's with a sub are a waste of time......
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So you don't even think the car will benefit for having components in the back as well?!? Was planning on getting a 4 channel amp to power 4 sets?!?!
Anyone advise some decent Components?!?!
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A 4 channel amp will only power 2 sets of speakers or a sub and 1 pair! :rolleyes:
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So you don't even think the car will benefit for having components in the back as well?!? Was planning on getting a 4 channel amp to power 4 sets?!?!
Anyone advise some decent Components?!?!
Do you sit in the back? Do you listen to music from behind you at a concert? Rears are not needed a good set of amped components in the front will be superb. I've recently got a 3 Series BMW but my MK3 had Inifinity Components which were ok, have put some Hertz ones in the beemer and they are fantastic (but they were 4 times the price!!). How much do you want to spend on them?
As Len says for two sets of comps and a sub you'll need 6 channels if you want to amp them all.
You could always run the standard rear speakers off the headunit and the front comps and sub off a 4 channel but no rears at all is the better option IMO.
Invest in some sound deadenning in your doors too, it makes a LOT of difference :wink:
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^^ Wtf man, i'm sorry but thats a stupid view really. Ever heard of surround sound?? Ever been to a proper club with speakers in all corners of the main room??
I'd recommend gettin comps for the front and back, amping it all, making sure everything is electrically matched (i.e Impedence/Wattage etc) snd then a decent single 12" sub.
Any decent head unit will give you full capability to adjust the fade more towards the front or rear, giving you a fuller sound if balanced correctly. I usually have to fade slightly to the rear and slighty to the left also, seeing as i'm closer to the right speakers which appear louder, if that makes sence. Its all about me, screw the passengers lol!
But seriously if you have people in the back with no speakers it'll just sound sh!te and personnally i feel the fuller sound in the whole car is much better then raggin your comps at the front to keep up with the sub.
This again is only my view. Clearly other people think different but listen to me, not them lol :P
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Ha, Russ you're a funny guy! Totally my thinking, most of my driving I've got my mates with me and too right I like to hear the sound all around me anyway! In my lounge I've got about £500 worth of Amp and floorstanders just for my Ipod, don't get me wrong sounds sh!t hot but I do prefer the full surround sound I get out of my cinema setup in my room (don't worry I'm not some rich snooty bast@ard with 8 butlers, spend all my money on tech) Hence why I want the best out of my car.
If my car sounds sh!t hot and drives then I'm happy but I'm all about music! Plus the incentive for me to have rear components is so my mates get decent sound as well! I'm nice like that ya see...
So brands for Components?! Alpine seem pretty decent, wouldn't mind matching my HU either!? Or was thinking of the new Kappas : KAPPA60.9CS?
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Or maybe, KAPPA PERFECT 6.1
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yeah, you need sound from the rear to get fuller sound. i threw a stealth shelf in and a set of 6x9s, but thats just for consideration of the rear passangers. i will often have people in the back and cant hear anything unless there is speakers. although if i cba at some point i will throw some comps in the rear doors as i dont like 6x9s.
ohh and if you dont want the rear speakers on then fade in all the way to the front. got people in the back, then fade in back a bit :)
6x9s with subs dont work too bad, but its not a setup i'd recommend. its just a cheap option so people in the back can hear the music.
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So people put 12" subs in the footwells then? :rolleyes:
Yea right!
So sound HAS to come from the rear!
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So people put 12" subs in the footwells then? :rolleyes:
Yea right!
So sound HAS to come from the rear!
Lol we've all fully burnt GOLF_MKs post :laugh: Poor chap!
Ha, Russ you're a funny guy! Totally my thinking, most of my driving I've got my mates with me and too right I like to hear the sound all around me anyway! In my lounge I've got about £500 worth of Amp and floorstanders just for my Ipod, don't get me wrong sounds sh!t hot but I do prefer the full surround sound I get out of my cinema setup in my room (don't worry I'm not some rich snooty bast@ard with 8 butlers, spend all my money on tech) Hence why I want the best out of my car.
If my car sounds sh!t hot and drives then I'm happy but I'm all about music! Plus the incentive for me to have rear components is so my mates get decent sound as well! I'm nice like that ya see...
So brands for Components?! Alpine seem pretty decent, wouldn't mind matching my HU either!? Or was thinking of the new Kappas : KAPPA60.9CS?
Alpine are always a good way to go mate, their range accomodates for so many different power outputs and generally their amps and headunits altogether sounds absolutely sh!t hot. I had a RB9812 HU with an MRD-1000 amp and a Type X woofer in my Pug106, back seats gone, full custom boot install, and well it killed it. Sound quality is unbeatable for the money imo. If you got cash go full alpine but just remember if your serious about all this, makes sure everything is matched, it makes a lot of difference :)
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Lol we've all fully burnt GOLF_MKs post :laugh: Poor chap!
Put two sets of comps in if you really want to, all it will do is drag your sound stage back. Surround sound is just that, surround sound - do you have a headunit with surround sound / dolby digital processing? No? Didn't think so.....
I'm too old to worry about slagging anyone elses opinion off, your car, your choice......
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Just saying that "draggin the sound stage back" isn't really what your doing though is it. Our ears aren't facing completely forwards like a monkey so we can hear music clearly from behind and to the side but its all personal preference, just seems your alone with yours lol!
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Think the original poster should go to a Car Audio Forum and ask the experts, if you really want rears then stick with the standard ones driven from the headunit or if you must have new ones buy coaxial. Don't put tweeters behind you....
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=286379&highlight=components+rear
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=272537&highlight=sets+components
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=298928&highlight=components+rear
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=297886&highlight=components+rear
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=295195&highlight=components+rear
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Sit in any real SQ car & you won't have speakers in the back. The sound should come from in front of you & if you want SQ the bass will not feel like it's on the boot but feel like it's all around.
The only reason to have rear speakers is for the passengers. If you do want rears then fade them out when you haven't got passengers in.
Like golf mk says, if your into ice get yourself onto Talkaudio. I've been on there years & you wont find a forum that knows more about car audio. There is uk, euro, world champions in db drag, iasca & Emma on there.
I've got 90wrms 6.5s up front off 150wrms & 1100wrms 12imch in the back in 3cu ft ported tuned to 30hz. This works brilliant I Like the bass slightly overpowering but if it's not your thing just turn the gain down a bit. Sound deadened the doors which increases midbass. I've left my standard rears in but turned off. Golf mk is spot on the money in what he says.
90% installation, 10% equipment.
Has anyone whose been slating him actually sat in a propper SQ install that's cost £1000's & taken 100's & 100's of hours to setup?
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Also there is a world of car audio outside of halfords!
Brands to look up for good quality Comps & amps cdt, genesis,dls to name a few. Focal too budaybe a bit too pricey. Sub wise RE, Fi, AA all 10 times better thanost other stuff on the market.
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Thanks B-chi, wasn't going to comment any more on this thread as i felt like i was banging my head against a brick wall :laugh:
I've been down the 6 by 9 and sound all around route as a youngster but now i know better :wink:
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Lol.
I know mate. I've had boxes with no base, house speakers off hu.
Then moved upto 6x9s being ripped apart by subs & wondering why new 6x9s strting farting?
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Well in all fairness you points may be correct but he isnt going to spend thousands and thousands of pounds on a freaking sound system for a car to enter in SQ competitions so speakers in the back are a must!
Its all what your preference is at the end of the day but I'm more then happy to have speakers all round, pretty much like every standard car does these days. I think Redtek is too *Thumbs*
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As you say bud, personal preference. My own system is by no means high end bud I do prefer the sound that comes from just front speakers.
Updating rears to me would be a waste of money. They don't influence the music enough to warrant money being spent on them. But it's down to preference. I found out which I preferred after spending money I could of spent on fronts on the rear.