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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Hurdy on 18 July 2009, 23:52
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My Next raft of mods.........
Just done a deal on these...
VF Engineering exhaust manifold
Garett GT2871R turbo with optional .86 AR exhaust housing
VF Engineering downpipe adaptation flange (allows you to run a standard / standard fit downpipe such as Milltek etc)
VF Engineering throttle body to intercooler pipe
VF Engineering intercooler to turbo inlet pipe
VF Engineering mechanical DV
VF Engineering turbo outlet bend (to fit with almost all of the CAI's on the market)
VF Engineering full set of engine mounts
Also sorting some RS4 injectors
Not fully sure on the Map I will use yet, but I have options of...
Revo custom stage 3 tune
GIAC RSS map
Custom Code Phase 3 custom map
I'm looking into pistons and rods at the moment and have already got the Quaife.
Should be a fun few months. :smiley:
This turbo kit has made 465hp (in the same spec I 'm having) on the Regal Autosport demo car. :evil:
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As mentioned on the other forum.... can't wait to see the end result. Oh and I forgot to mention, you're nuts. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Nutter :grin:
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Oh and if I were you I'd strongly consider the race spec solid aluminum engine mounts instead. I have them and they are superb and with the power your car will be making, they are probably advisable :grin: :laugh:
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You are seriously insane! :D
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love it, can't wait to see the results!
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crazy fool :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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This is madness! :laugh:
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Now that I can wait to see!! :cool:
have previously wondered why you didnt turbo an R32... but tbh this route sounds alot more fun!! :grin:
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You damm fool !! Insane !!
4WD conversion next?
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nice list of mods! 3k worth or more??? :shocked:
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now will be spinning in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th gears on dry tarmac.
What's the point? :lipsrsealed:
But hey, whatever floats your boat, John.
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now will be spinning in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th gears on dry tarmac.
What's the point? :lipsrsealed:
But hey, whatever floats your boat, John.
The torque introduction is steadier on the GT2871R and so I should have MORE control, as the K04 detonate's it's torque at 3.5krpm. :wink:
More power and torque nearer the top of the rev range is better for my DSG too.
The fact that I ultimately get more bhp is a bonus :cool:
The diff will help too :drool:
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i call shotgun
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now will be spinning in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th gears on dry tarmac.
What's the point? :lipsrsealed:
But hey, whatever floats your boat, John.
Thats just not true... I have 320bhp on my car and do not suffer any wheel spin or wheel hop even when I smack the pedal down aggressively from start and try to induce it. As Hurdy says, that the torque level is manageable.. its at the higher end past 70-80mph that you will notice a big difference :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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DSG and that OMFG your nuts man! should be a good combo of reliable, steady torque, early spooling, boost holding, wheel spinning, flame popping, grin inducing goodness :)
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Hurdy you are my hero. This is going to be off the hook!
Nick
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Cheers guys.
The conversion should be in by mid-October :evil:
RS4 injectors aren't suitable. I've been speaking to Statllers and they will be doing all the work. :cool:
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Yup, I guess the spray pattern is all wrong from those injectors. Sounds like you are in safe hands :smiley:
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I've been speaking to Statllers and they will be doing all the work. :cool:
I guess that means you'll be Giac mapped??
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I've been speaking to Statllers and they will be doing all the work. :cool:
I guess that means you'll be Giac mapped??
Yes, I've been having a few discussions regarding the GIAC map. It should sit VERY nicely with the GIAC DSG map too. The DSG map can be customised if I want to up the peak revs to match the peak power of the ECU map. The Turbo kit was initially installed as Regals GIAC kit anyway and seeing as Statller's are only 5 miles from me it makes sense to go down that route. :cool:
Just a pity I had the REVO fitted when I did as it is a great map for the K04. :laugh:
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kickdown in 4th is going to be interesting :grin:
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kickdown in 4th is going to be interesting :grin:
No kickdown as I have the GIAC DSG map :wink:
Unless I'm in drive mode :shocked:
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now will be spinning in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th gears on dry tarmac.
What's the point? :lipsrsealed:
But hey, whatever floats your boat, John.
The torque introduction is steadier on the GT2871R and so I should have MORE control, as the K04 detonate's it's torque at 3.5krpm. :wink:
More power and torque nearer the top of the rev range is better for my DSG too.
The fact that I ultimately get more bhp is a bonus :cool:
The diff will help too :drool:
Gotcha! :cool:
Will be fun to read about this rocket! Can't wait! :evil:
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Looks forward to seeing it. You have resisted temptation longer than I thought you would.......... :evil:
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Looks forward to seeing it. You have resisted temptation longer than I thought you would.......... :evil:
Once it's done I'll take you for a "spin"..................hopefully not literally :grin:
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Looks forward to seeing it. You have resisted temptation longer than I thought you would.......... :evil:
Once it's done I'll take you for a "spin"..................hopefully not literally :grin:
Cheers look forward to it :wink: So when are the Space Shuttle seats and the five pint harnesses arriving. :laugh:
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Should be awesome but you know that power would be better used in your R32 :evil:
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Good luck john, as per our phone convo, you are one brave man, but good luck mate :wink:
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Good luck john, as per our phone convo, you are one brave man, but good luck mate :wink:
damn, you guys have phone convos?! :shocked:
I envy you, you have very nice GTI community over there! :cool:
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Looks forward to seeing it. You have resisted temptation longer than I thought you would.......... :evil:
Once it's done I'll take you for a "spin"..................hopefully not literally :grin:
Cheers look forward to it :wink: So when are the Space Shuttle seats and the five pint harnesses arriving. :laugh:
lol 5 pint harness :grin: spells trouble but it's an idea :shocked:
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Looks forward to seeing it. You have resisted temptation longer than I thought you would.......... :evil:
Once it's done I'll take you for a "spin"..................hopefully not literally :grin:
Cheers look forward to it :wink: So when are the Space Shuttle seats and the five pint harnesses arriving. :laugh:
lol 5 pint harness :grin: spells trouble but it's an idea :shocked:
:laugh:
In parts of rural mid-west America (Montana) it's not illegal to drink drive. If it now is, it's only happened in the last five (or so) years.
Five pint harness might help there :laugh:
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trust the american's to come up with a legal drink driving law. i bet even if it's changed it wont be jail, fine or ban....... it'll be "frowned upon"
sorry to steal the thread hurdy :lipsrsealed:
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Thought I'd pick this back up again with a quick update.
I picked up the turbo kit on Tuesday, so that is now just awaiting the rest of the parts.
I've ordered a THS Intercooler, which I've been told is being dispatched on Monday. This intercooler is even bigger than the APR one and the flow handling logs that DomT has done show it is capable of handling up to 600bhp without issue. This should lower any flow losses as it means I don't have to have the Forge Twintercooler strapped to the front any more. :cool: Good price too, lower than the Forge add-on!!
http://www.thsperformance.co.uk/product/THS_TFSI_Intercooler_THSINT-TFSI
Rod, pistons injectors etc are all on order from the USA and so should see them some time never soon :grin:
I'm starting to get a little excited now!! :laugh:
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Awesome :cool: you nutter :grin:
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Christmas comes earlier and earlier in The Hurdy Household! :evil:
Very interesting mods :afro:
Do you reckon that the THS i/c is overkill for a less modded GTI (not Ed30)?
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Christmas comes earlier and earlier in The Hurdy Household! :evil:
Very interesting mods :afro:
Do you reckon that the THS i/c is overkill for a less modded GTI (not Ed30)?
You can never have too much cooloing Robin :cool:
Bear in mind that a modded GTI like yours is still pushing the K03S it would help to give it extra cooling.
The S3 can be bought for under £300 with the pipes
The APR one is over £900 :shocked:, yet has a smaller core than the THS
The Twintercooler is an easy fit solution, but again costs over £500
I didn't pay the full list price either as I got SteveP to haggle a full group buy discount :wink:
Offset that against the money I should get back from selling the Forge Twintercooler (£300) and it will have cost me less than buying the S3 intercooler and having to keep the Forge :smiley:
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Considering the Mods you have Robin, and being stage 2, Intercooler would be one of the 1st engine mods to compensate for the higher demand on your engine. Would also help with the longevity without potential major future issues.
Im surprised youve not taken hints from especially Jkm gave you a while ago when we were all down on the Rollers .
Perhaps its in your plans??
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Cheers for all the info, Hurdy :afro:
Phil - Yep, I've had other priorities re modding but now can see my way clear to upgrading the i/c. What you say makes sense.
Doesn't this modding EVER stop!!? [silly question!]
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Cheers for all the info, Hurdy :afro:
Phil - Yep, I've had other priorities re modding but now can see my way clear to upgrading the i/c. What you say makes sense.
Doesn't this modding EVER stop!!? [silly question!]
:afro:
Looking foward to starting my slide way down the hill too. My Insurance cant expire soon enough :sad:
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You going for Greenlight (or very similar), Phil? - Mod-friendly and like-for-like etc.
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Yes robin, they quoted the same as my current Vendor, but didnt think i would be going down this route.
Im easily led Robin. :laugh: :wink:
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Like i
hinted mentioned earlier Robin. I'll have a Forge Twintercooler for sale if you think the THS is overkill :wink:
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Like i hinted mentioned earlier Robin. I'll have a Forge Twintercooler for sale if you think the THS is overkill :wink:
....Yes, the thought did cross my mind, but I need to think about things a bit. It's only this evening that I've even started to think about intercoolers at all.
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Yes robin, they quoted the same as my current Vendor, but didnt think i would be going down this route.
Im easily led Robin. :laugh: :wink:
Spot on, Im also with Greenlight and they have been brilliant with their pricing.
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The THS intercooler arrived and has been duly despatched to Statllers to await fitment.
Ollie at THS e-mailed me to confirm that the cooler was designed to cope with cooling up to 550bhp without adversely affecting boost.
A quick comparison shows that the ED30 volume is quite sparse compared with even the S3 cooler let alone the THS one.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n127/nitroxneil/Untitled-1.png)
Although the ED30 outlet appears better than the S3 version it is restricted after the connector down to under 40mm. The THS is straight in to the cooler at 57mm.
Comparison pic with ed30
(http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/gallery/4_02_07_09_8_40_59_14.jpg)
(http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/gallery/4_02_07_09_8_40_56_10.JPG)
(http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/gallery/4_02_07_09_8_40_52_2.jpg)
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:shocked:Thats gonna be rapid :cool:
Have you sold the missus? :laugh:
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This sounds amazing, I shall be keeping an eye on this :)
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Awesome, looking forward to more updates.
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Hurdy, how come you don't walk with bandy legs - 'cause you have some mooohassive cahoonies!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I'm really waiting for updates on this - you crazy genius!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
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A quick comparison shows that the ED30 volume is quite sparse compared with even the S3 cooler let alone the THS one.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n127/nitroxneil/Untitled-1.png)
Although the ED30 outlet appears better than the S3 version it is restricted after the connector down to under 40mm. The THS is straight in to the cooler at 57mm.
Do I see an error in your calculations? Whilst you have included the relevent 'OEM' sited coolers, what about the Forge unit? Because, some peeps (me included) have the S3 cooler in the OEM site, along with the Forge. How does this compare with just the THS cooler. :nerd: :nerd:
Secondly, how does the THS address the longstanding issue of the siting of the OEM cooler from heat-soak from the mega-hot coolant rad, and the equally hot air con condensor? :undecided:
Oh, and to be really pedant - shouldn't 'cubic area' better be described as 'volume'? :nerd: :tongue: :wink: :laugh:
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Hurdy, how come you don't walk with bandy legs - 'cause you have some mooohassive cahoonies!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I'm really waiting for updates on this - you crazy genius!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
I'm just waiting for the stuff to come from the USA, but I appear to have chosen the worst time of the year as they are all on summer break :laugh:
Once everything has arrived then it should be about two to three weeks to build the engine and install it.
It should be a real step change in how it works.....going from around 350bhp to 450bhp, plus the Quaife, engine mounts and the all important R888's (track and fair weather permitting!)
One of the mods I'm quite interested in is the type of injector that they will be putting in. It has been designed specifically for the TFSI to match the spray pattern. Regal have changed to this injector and it bumped their car from the low to mid 400's with a little software tweakage :evil:
Certainly going to be exciting. As far as I know I will be the only person in the UK with a MKV gti who will have done this level of tuning with their own car (ie..not a company funded car!). I will also be the only one in the UK to have the rods and pistons as well as the turbo on a DSG motor. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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A quick comparison shows that the ED30 volume is quite sparse compared with even the S3 cooler let alone the THS one.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n127/nitroxneil/Untitled-1.png)
Although the ED30 outlet appears better than the S3 version it is restricted after the connector down to under 40mm. The THS is straight in to the cooler at 57mm.
Do I see an error in your calculations? Whilst you have included the relevent 'OEM' sited coolers, what about the Forge unit? Because, some peeps (me included) have the S3 cooler in the OEM site, along with the Forge. How does this compare with just the THS cooler. :nerd: :nerd:
Secondly, how does the THS address the longstanding issue of the siting of the OEM cooler from heat-soak from the mega-hot coolant rad, and the equally hot air con condensor? :undecided:
Oh, and to be really pedant - shouldn't 'cubic area' better be described as 'volume'? :nerd: :tongue: :wink: :laugh:
Yes, you are right Sean, the combo of the Forge and an S3 would give a larger volume than the THS unit on it's own :smiley: It was the flow rate that I was more interested in. The THS unit means that I can do away with the Forge front mounted IC and have the hot weather climate radiator added as well. This is added to Regal's car and does help cool the engine a little better.
DomT on the "other" forum has done some extensive logging and found that the cooler maintains a good 7 to 9 degrees above ambient even when driving hard as well as a flow rate of over 480g/s which is more than enough to cool the car at 450bhp levels. :cool:
You are right about the volume thing, but it wasn't my original table :wink:
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A quick comparison shows that the ED30 volume is quite sparse compared with even the S3 cooler let alone the THS one.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n127/nitroxneil/Untitled-1.png)
Although the ED30 outlet appears better than the S3 version it is restricted after the connector down to under 40mm. The THS is straight in to the cooler at 57mm.
Do I see an error in your calculations? Whilst you have included the relevent 'OEM' sited coolers, what about the Forge unit? Because, some peeps (me included) have the S3 cooler in the OEM site, along with the Forge. How does this compare with just the THS cooler. :nerd: :nerd:
Secondly, how does the THS address the longstanding issue of the siting of the OEM cooler from heat-soak from the mega-hot coolant rad, and the equally hot air con condensor? :undecided:
Oh, and to be really pedant - shouldn't 'cubic area' better be described as 'volume'? :nerd: :tongue: :wink: :laugh:
Yes, you are right Sean, the combo of the Forge and an S3 would give a larger volume than the THS unit on it's own :smiley: It was the flow rate that I was more interested in. The THS unit means that I can do away with the Forge front mounted IC and have the hot weather climate radiator added as well.
OK, I sort of see your logic - but I still don't see how ditching the Forge can be fully compensated for when just using a cooler in the OEM position. :undecided: And anyway, wasn't the Forge proven to have a vastly improved flow rate too? :huh:
This is added to Regal's car and does help cool the engine a little better.
But in the UK, acutal cooling of the engine hasn't been an issue! Or have I missed sommat?
And how is the flow of coolant to the additional hot climate rad controlled? On Audis, they are only flowed into when the ECU actually opens up separate thermostats - but I didn't think the Golf ECU supported that method?
DomT on the "other" forum has done some extensive logging and found that the cooler maintains a good 7 to 9 degrees above ambient even when driving hard as well as a flow rate of over 480g/s which is more than enough to cool the car at 450bhp levels. :cool:
Hmmmm . . . but I'm still having difficulty accepting that just the THS cooler can flow better than the S3 and Forge. And I am still fairly adamant that the OEM mount cooler location (be that the standard plastic one, the S3, or the THS) can not overcome the inherent issues of heatsoak from the air con condensor, and the main coolant rad. Even IF the hot clime rad can be flowed at max coolant volume, it will never be more efficient than the main central coolant rad - and therefore, the main coolant rad will still be dissipating the lions share of the engines heat - and some of that heat WILL radiate and conduct into the THS - irrespective of its flow rate. It is this specific area which the Forge is able to 100% overcome - but standard location coolers cant.!!
You are right about the volume thing, but it wasn't my original table :wink:
Feeble excuse, John! :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin:
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OK, I sort of see your logic - but I still don't see how ditching the Forge can be fully compensated for when just using a cooler in the OEM position. And anyway, wasn't the Forge proven to have a vastly improved flow rate too?
Yes, Forge's has an improved rate too. There are a couple of reasons behind my decision. The THS cooler is basically the same size and flow rate as the APR offering, which they use on their stage 3 kits to good effect. Pipework for a THS to a twintercooler hasn't been developed (and most likely won't be due to cost etc v return), but if it was, then I would probably have both....'cos I'm greedy like that :evil: Steve was looking at changing the order of the rad/cooler/air con combo, to put the cooler first, but doesn't know if this is feasible or what effect it would have on the rad and air con operation.
Regarding the hot climate rad - I don't know how they make it work, but it does. I'll have to ask them exactly how though, for future reference :smiley:
As for the table - it's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :laugh:
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sorry to drag up a old thread but im very intreasted in this turbo kit.
one question i have is what are the limits of the gearboxes in these cars?
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sorry to drag up a old thread but im very intreasted in this turbo kit.
one question i have is what are the limits of the gearboxes in these cars?
The actual gearboxes seem fairly bullet proof. The clutches are always the weakest link, be that on a manual box, or the DSG. But with the DSG, if you are looking at over 350bhp, then strongly consider a DSG oil change every year or 10k miles - 2 years or 20k at the very longest.
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sorry to drag up a old thread but im very intreasted in this turbo kit.
one question i have is what are the limits of the gearboxes in these cars?
The actual gearboxes seem fairly bullet proof. The clutches are always the weakest link, be that on a manual box, or the DSG. But with the DSG, if you are looking at over 350bhp, then strongly consider a DSG oil change every year or 10k miles - 2 years or 20k at the very longest.
I did thanks to Sean (T_T) and it does work. :cool:
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sorry to drag up a old thread but im very intreasted in this turbo kit.
one question i have is what are the limits of the gearboxes in these cars?
The actual gearboxes seem fairly bullet proof. The clutches are always the weakest link, be that on a manual box, or the DSG. But with the DSG, if you are looking at over 350bhp, then strongly consider a DSG oil change every year or 10k miles - 2 years or 20k at the very longest.
....Apart from the wisdom of more frequent DSG oil changes on cars over 350 bhp, what about a threshold for torque? - Cars over 300 ft lb?
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sorry to drag up a old thread but im very intreasted in this turbo kit.
one question i have is what are the limits of the gearboxes in these cars?
The actual gearboxes seem fairly bullet proof. The clutches are always the weakest link, be that on a manual box, or the DSG. But with the DSG, if you are looking at over 350bhp, then strongly consider a DSG oil change every year or 10k miles - 2 years or 20k at the very longest.
....Apart from the wisdom of more frequent DSG oil changes on cars over 350 bhp, what about a threshold for torque? - Cars over 300 ft lb?
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I don't really know the definative answer to that. The 'official' figure from VW was a torque limit of 250Nm, but in reality, there are many many highly tuned cars which must be pushing 350Nm, maybe even more - and not experiencing any DSG issues at all.
But regarding the actual oil change - this really is important - especially because when it is 'drained', it doesn't completely empty the transmission. The 'total' volume of oil in the DSG is 7.2 litres, but only around 5.5 litres gets changed, so you'll always be left with some of the 'old' oil in the box.
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Yep, I've been running nearly 400 Nm on DSG for some time and without any problems. I've had 2 DSG oil + filter changes so far.
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I thought that the rating of the DSG box was officially 350nm :wink:
The stock R32 has 236lbft and the same DSG as the ED30/GTI/TDI = 320nm as standard.
From VW's site...
"Both DSG gearboxes are application-specific. The 6-speed is paired with high torque engines (up to 350 Nm) while the 7-speed variant is more effective in combination with smaller engines and torque outputs of up to 250 Nm."
Mine is currently 489nm :shocked: with the DSG box remapped to accept torque up to 500nm :cool:
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thanks for the info guys.
still not sure if i wanna get a ED30 and max out the k04 or save some £ and buy a normal GTI and use the saved money towards a GT30 with rods and pistons aswell as RS4 injectors.
is there anybody in the uk offering remaps for this kind of setup?
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Revo do GT30 maps. :smiley:
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thanks for the info guys.
still not sure if i wanna get a ED30 and max out the k04 or save some £ and buy a normal GTI and use the saved money towards a GT30 with rods and pistons aswell as RS4 injectors.
Would RS4 injectors offer any benefit? :undecided: And more importantly, would they actually work, because the RS4 needs two ECUs to work!
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thanks for the info guys.
still not sure if i wanna get a ED30 and max out the k04 or save some £ and buy a normal GTI and use the saved money towards a GT30 with rods and pistons aswell as RS4 injectors.
Would RS4 injectors offer any benefit? :undecided: And more importantly, would they actually work, because the RS4 needs two ECUs to work!
Bigger injectors, flow more fuel.
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thanks for the info guys.
still not sure if i wanna get a ED30 and max out the k04 or save some £ and buy a normal GTI and use the saved money towards a GT30 with rods and pistons aswell as RS4 injectors.
Would RS4 injectors offer any benefit? :undecided: And more importantly, would they actually work, because the RS4 needs two ECUs to work!
TT the RS4 ones do work, actually as far as i know the Revo stge 3 ko4 upgrade in the US uses the RS4 ones. Maybe the 2 ECU's are because twice the cylinders?
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Try phoning VF up and ask about their modified injectors.
They have the right spray pattern as opposed to the RS4 spray pattern which is altogether different and not as efficient.
Chris at Regal swapped to the VF ones and his car instantly made more power. :smiley:
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do they supply these on there own? i plan on using a gt3076r and following some of the us boys and try get in to the high 4s low 5s
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thanks for the info guys.
still not sure if i wanna get a ED30 and max out the k04 or save some £ and buy a normal GTI and use the saved money towards a GT30 with rods and pistons aswell as RS4 injectors.
Would RS4 injectors offer any benefit? :undecided: And more importantly, would they actually work, because the RS4 needs two ECUs to work!
TT the RS4 ones do work, actually as far as i know the Revo stge 3 ko4 upgrade in the US uses the RS4 ones.
OK, so I know where to go looking if my RS wont fire up! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Maybe the 2 ECU's are because twice the cylinders?
It is actually to do with the rev limit. The B6/B7 S4 which had fundamentally the same V8 made do with just one ECU. The standard RS4 revs upto 8,250 - and a single ECU cant cope with the number of calculations. And my Revo stage 1 on the RS4 has raised the rev limit even higher - to just under 9,000 rpm (along with deleting the 'soft' speed limiter too) - and it is fcukin mental now! :evil: :evil:
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I've heard the Yanks were complaining of sooty tailgates with the RS4 injectors though.
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I've heard the Yanks were complaining of sooty tailgates with the RS4 injectors though.
All FSI engines suffer with sooty tailpipes. But this is made worse with the yankie sh!t fuel - lower octane fuel means the engine works less in 'stratified mode', and will over-fuel to compensate.