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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: harlemex on 17 July 2009, 22:34
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I am finally considering hids and projector headlights and despite reading through the threads on here I am still confused as too the legality of them. I know you should use projectors so that you dont blind anybody, but I've read that not only do you need headlamp washers, but you need self leveling lights too(or self leveling suspension) for them to be legal and you risk invalidating insurance aswell.
Does anyone know the exact facts? Cheers guys.
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it's a grey area but hid's should have self levelling on them for the m.o.t, and most mk3's don't have this as std, but some m.o.t men won't check that bit
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I believe they are now illegal, you may also get issues if your stopped.
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If you get them and you are stopped, just say you didn't know as you bought the kit online and it said it was legal on projector headlights, depending on if you get stopped locally or not, local, then take them off or risk getting fined, not local, keep them on and f**k 'em lol!
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I was running 8000k HID's in Projectors for about 3 months and never had any problems with the police. Was even stopped once or twice regarding other matters and they weren't mentioned :)
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it's a grey area but hid's should have self levelling on them for the m.o.t, and most mk3's don't have this as std, but some m.o.t men won't check that bit
I asked the MOT tester while he was doing my car about my HIDs and the only condition they have to meat is that the produce the correct beam.
It passed with the HIDs on the car.
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I've passed the last 2 yrs with them in no issues at all.. and i dont have projectors...
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Apart from the law how much of an improvment do you get over halogens?
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Apart from the law how much of an improvment do you get over halogens?
Alot of improvement.
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Ive heard that they are slow to heat up, not really a problem with the gti I suppose as the dipped stays on as the main heats up but may be a prob on other golfs with h4s.
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The cheap HK ones take a few mins to heat up.
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I have the cheap ones from Hong Kong in my H4 Vento headlights and they're absolutely fine
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I have the cheap ones from Hong Kong in my H4 Vento headlights and they're absolutely fine
Could you post some pictures of the lights on please? :smiley:
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(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs166.snc1/6208_1202265335677_1199897708_581317_252691_n.jpg)
Can take a picture from inside the car if ya want..
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That would be great thanks :smiley:
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Here you go dude
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/GCL731Y/Mk3Project/InCar.jpg)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/GCL731Y/Mk3Project/InCar2.jpg)
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Thanks man, really appreciate it :smiley:
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No problem mate
I wasn't going to bother with HID's in the Vento headlights because I wanted to keep it looking old skool (kinda).. but the HID's light up the road so much better, so I'm glad I did put them in!
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Its like going from candle light to floodlight!
Amazing improvement! I have them on my GTi too :)
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People constantly babble on about glare from HID's etc but they just talk out of their arses!!
If the lights are set up correctly I fail to see why there would be any glare!!
Mine are perfectly alright.
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just to reserect (sorry tired spelling) this thread...
do you just buy hid bulbs??
i have no idea about them, hence finding this thread.... my lights are awful!!
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:shocked: :lipsrsealed: :huh:
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Got my HID kit 6000k installed last month, and the guy, who was doing it said that the best and the safest option is 6000k. You won't have any problems with MOT or the police.
Some people have 8000k, like VR6Joe, and it's not THAT bad...It's kind of borderline in terms of legality, so unless you want to "test" the police or the MOT guys, you're better off with 6000k.
More than 8000k is just dumb and you're looking for trouble. This guy said he installed 10000k kit for someone, and the driver didn't even get home. Got pulled off after a few miles, lol.
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ok, just been reading up off google, you may mock chuff, lol!
i feel stoopid now, lol!
but any info peeps have the better!
cheers zdebx
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would these be worth a try as a cheap alternative???
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may well be a repost, but an interesting read non the less
http://www.powerbulbs.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/xenon-hid-conversion-kits/
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the reason 6000k is recommended as the colour temperature to use in HID is not the 'brightness' but that it is closest in terms of 'daylight' and therefore less stress on your eyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature)
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im an advert for hids aparently so on that basis i say just DO IT :grin:
4k is what manufactures use, 6k is the best, 8k is getting chavvy and anything beyond is not only daft but also not very bright
lower the rating the more white it will be
mine are 6k
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im an advert for hids aparently so on that basis i say just DO IT :grin:
4k is what manufactures use, 6k is the best, 8k is getting chavvy and anything beyond is not only daft but also not very bright
lower the rating the more white it will be
mine are 6k
lower the rating the more yellow they will be.. non?
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http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html
:rolleyes:
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im an advert for hids aparently so on that basis i say just DO IT :grin:
4k is what manufactures use, 6k is the best, 8k is getting chavvy and anything beyond is not only daft but also not very bright
lower the rating the more white it will be
mine are 6k
lower the rating the more yellow they will be.. non?
dunno bout yellow, they say the lower the rating the more white, the higher the rating the more blue if that makes sense
4k and 6k are the closest to natural daylight
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When the rate is higher it goes blue, and then purple.
6k-8k is bright crystal white/blue'ish
10k is strong blue
12k-14 is purple, which is obviously illegal and for off-road use only.
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higher number = more blue
but trust me 6k has a blue look, anything more is chavvy
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http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html
:rolleyes:
Interesting link: :rolleyes:
The first HID kits appeared several year ago now and their popularity continues to increase with there now being hundreds of different types available in a range of colours, most of which have originated from the Far East, most notably China. However despite the huge growth in popularity one question still remains - Are HID Kits Legal on UK Roads?
The Department of Transport says that for a aftermarket HID Headlamp Unit to be road legal in the UK it must be:
1. Type approved to ECE Regulations 98 as a Component
2. When fitted to a vehicle should Enable ECE Regulation 48 to be Complied with (although no government inspection will take place)
3. Comply with RVLR as far as “use†is concerned
In Practice this Means the Following
a. The Headlamp Unit (Outer Lens, Reflector and Bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be E marked to demonstrate this
b. Once fitted to a vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension – some expensive estate cars have self levelling suspension and that is adequate). Also dipped beam must stay on with main beam.
c. The Headlight must be in good working order, kept clean and correctly aligned
It is important to note that the Department of Transport classify the Headlamp Unit to be the Outer Lens, Reflector and Bulb and ALL of these parts must comply with ECE Regulation 98 and be E marked to demonstrate this fact.
To conclude the Department of Transport say you are NOT permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp for use with HID bulbs. The Entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules above.
Remember under the Road Traffic Act 1998 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal
It is for these reasons that all HID kits should be sold by responsible retailers as “For Off-Road and Show Use Onlyâ€.
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higher number = more blue
but trust me 6k has a blue look, anything more is more chavvy than standard chav
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check the link http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps)
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
that's the argument finally to bed :smiley:
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only til morning :grin:
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check the link http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps)
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
that's the argument finally to bed :smiley:
No hope, people will not listen no matter what you post.
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Yeah so anyway......
Happy new year everyone
(thought i'd get it in early)
:)
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The video in the link below showing the R-reg megane with a hid kit fitted as posted earlier
http://www.powerbulbs.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/xenon-hid-conversion-kits/
Is a perfect example of these stupid sh!te hid kits that people like to fit to their old cars with halogen lenses that then blind oncoming road users.
Why can't people accept that if you want hids buy a car that came fitted with them from the factory with correct lenses.
If I was a traffic copper I would issues every person I saw with these glaring hid kits a £60 fine and 3 points for driving with undue care and attention for other road users like you can get for driving with your fog lights on when its not foggy !!
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For your information my HID's in my VR6 headlamps don't give off any 'glare'
I've seen Mercs and BMW's with factory fitted Xenons that are more blinding than my headlights
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but do you have the correct LEGAL lenses for the HID bulbs you have fitted ?
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Why has this reared it's ugly head then? Lol!
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No but that's the point I'm trying to make.
The BMW's and Mercedes have the correct lenses fitted for the xenon headlights and they're actually worse than my headlights!
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For your information my HID's in my VR6 headlamps don't give off any 'glare'
I've seen Mercs and BMW's with factory fitted Xenons that are more blinding than my headlights
Are your lenses designed for HID's?
How do you know your lights don't glare other road users have you driven towards yourself at a steady speed like other drivers would ?
I've never been blinded by a standard HID fitted car. You can always tell when a cars not standard fit HIDs coming towards you... Wonder WHY that is !!
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Why has this reared it's ugly head then? Lol!
at a guess cos someone used the SEARCH function in the correct manner :afro:
No but that's the point I'm trying to make.
The BMW's and Mercedes have the correct lenses fitted for the xenon headlights and they're actually worse than my headlights!
they may well be worse in YOUR opinion, but they ARE legal :kiss:
IF i hadnt looked deeper into this then i could well have splashed cash on summat that ISNT legal. :lipsrsealed:
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I am old enough to remember driving with standard light bulbs, the step up to the new fangled halogen bulbs was staggering, but I remember people who could not afford them, they were expensive initially saying they were being blinded by the new halogens. These hids are also expensive and we are getting similar arguements from people who do not yet have them.
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For your information my HID's in my VR6 headlamps don't give off any 'glare'
I've seen Mercs and BMW's with factory fitted Xenons that are more blinding than my headlights
Are your lenses designed for HID's?
How do you know your lights don't glare other road users have you driven towards yourself at a steady speed like other drivers would ?
I've never been blinded by a standard HID fitted car. You can always tell when a cars not standard fit HIDs coming towards you... Wonder WHY that is !!
As I mentioned above, no they're not designed for HID's
And as for driving towards myself, yes I have haha. Me and my mate swapped cars and drove towards each other on a quiet country lane one night :)
Come to think of it, I've painted the upper and lower parts of my reflector black (for the 'smoked' look) could this have made a difference?
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I am old enough to remember driving with standard light bulbs, the step up to the new fangled halogen bulbs was staggering, but I remember people who could not afford them, they were expensive initially saying they were being blinded by the new halogens. These hids are also expensive and we are getting similar arguements from people who do not yet have them.
Thats not the point, they are illegal unless fitted to a headlamp with the correct beam pattern.
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Hmm another thing to consider is the fact my car is lowered a lot more at the front than it is at the back so my headlights may be pointing down towards the floor?
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Come to think of it, I've painted the upper and lower parts of my reflector black (for the 'smoked' look) could this have made a difference?
just a lot :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
sort of defies the point of an upgrade in the first place :laugh:
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In fairness to Joe, the reflectors being painted would take away a lot of the main light, and also the fact his car is lower would also play a part, compared to your standard cars with standard suspension this would make the light notablly lower than standard.
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Hmm another thing to consider is the fact my car is lowered a lot more at the front than it is at the back so my headlights may be pointing down towards the floor?
So your beam pattern is pointed more to the floor which isn't how they are legally supposed to be, so by your own admission that maybe the reason why your saying you don't blind people but if your headlights were then aligned correctly then they would blind people like every other person driving round with these hid kits.
And a simple little drive towards each other isn't really an adequate test.
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In fairness to Joe, the reflectors being painted would take away a lot of the main light, and also the fact his car is lower would also play a part, compared to your standard cars with standard suspension this would make the light notablly lower than standard.
Nope as you should really check / adjust beam height after lowering, what is the point of lights that do not light the road ahead. :rolleyes:
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the time has come
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Hmm another thing to consider is the fact my car is lowered a lot more at the front than it is at the back so my headlights may be pointing down towards the floor?
nope, as for the MOT your lights need to be at a certain level
have you passed a mot with yours like i have??
your not running projectors, so i must admit they do dazzle as the light pattern is on the piss big time, wack em in projectors and its all good in my opinion, fook what anyone says, they dont dazzle no mor ethan the BMWs and my mk 4 (which like you say, do dazzle the fook out of you haha)
LOL @ CHUFF hahahaha
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Any lights can blind when going over bumps, it's just HIDs are so bright that they blind more-so.
I got rid of my HIDs after Wanye and DH pointed out they weren't legal (admittedly being scared to face even more points and fines) and fitted Osram nightbreakers, good buy. :afro:
I looked into self adjusters and washers, but Hella Twin's having projectors don't mean sh!t, they were designed for halogens, not HIDs, there is a big difference in projector units.
Chuff share that you greedy thingy! :grin:
EDIT: People that say up to 6K and all that, where does any legal site say that? 4.3K is OEM but the law doesn't say, I suppose it's up to MOT testers and traffic cops.
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In fairness to Joe, the reflectors being painted would take away a lot of the main light, and also the fact his car is lower would also play a part, compared to your standard cars with standard suspension this would make the light notablly lower than standard.
Nope as you should really check / adjust beam height after lowering, what is the point of lights that do not light the road ahead. :rolleyes:
Fair point :grin:
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ah well I couldn't give a toss
If I want HID's then I'll have HID's, fck everyone else!
I'm sure if mine were THAT blinding, I would have been flashed by now, but I've had them fitted nearly a year and nobody has ever flashed me
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If I want HID's then I'll have HID's, fck everyone else!
Can't beat a nice and considerate road user !!
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considerate.. Hmmmm
theirs alot worse out their, cant beat em, may aswell join em
hahaha
wheres chuff wi the popcorn :grin:
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Chuff share that you greedy thingy! :grin:
ok
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ah well I couldn't give a toss
If I want HID's then I'll have HID's, fck everyone else!
I'm sure if mine were THAT blinding, I would have been flashed by now, but I've had them fitted nearly a year and nobody has ever flashed me
Cant wait for the
" i just been nicked for my HIDs,
so they went over my car with a fine toothcomb,
aint the polis got owt better to do "
thread :grin:
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Women taking their kids to school in a 4x4 = Inconsiderate
People driving their Mercedes or BMW down the MIDDLE of a country lane = Inconsiderate
People not giving way when it's my right of way = Inconsiderate
People doing 35mph in a 60 limit = Inconsiderate
Sorry but it's one of those things you have to put up with. If you don't like it then don't drive.
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If you don't like it then don't drive.
Thats the spirit !!
EDIT: The thing is its not an attack on you... But what Im getting at is if these hid kits only affected the person who had them fitted to their car then fair enough thats down to them.. But they don't they affect everyone else driving towards them !!
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pure popcorn moments here :grin:
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ah well I couldn't give a toss
If I want HID's then I'll have HID's, fck everyone else!
I'm sure if mine were THAT blinding, I would have been flashed by now, but I've had them fitted nearly a year and nobody has ever flashed me
Cant wait for the
" i just been nicked for my HIDs,
so they went over my car with a fine toothcomb,
aint the polis got owt better to do "
thread :grin:
I've been pulled over quite a few times and I also hang around in Ipswich every night (which is full of police usually) and they've never been mentioned before!
And as I previously mentioned, my mate got pulled in by VOSA in his Mk2 which is running HID's and they never mentioned them then either.
If the police really want to pull me over for having HID's then let them. I bought them for my own safety not because they look cool.
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Chuff share that you greedy thingy! :grin:
ok
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ah well I couldn't give a toss
If I want HID's then I'll have HID's, fck everyone else!
I'm sure if mine were THAT blinding, I would have been flashed by now, but I've had them fitted nearly a year and nobody has ever flashed me
Cant wait for the
" i just been nicked for my HIDs,
so they went over my car with a fine toothcomb,
aint the polis got owt better to do "
thread :grin:
IMO as long as you are willing to accept the consequences then carry on as long as it truly doesn't effect anyone else then carry on, because nothing anyone says on the internet will do much.
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ah well I couldn't give a toss
If I want HID's then I'll have HID's, fck everyone else!
I'm sure if mine were THAT blinding, I would have been flashed by now, but I've had them fitted nearly a year and nobody has ever flashed me
Cant wait for the
" i just been nicked for my HIDs,
so they went over my car with a fine toothcomb,
aint the polis got owt better to do "
thread :grin:
I've been pulled over quite a few times and I also hang around in Ipswich every night (which is full of police usually) and they've never been mentioned before!
And as I previously mentioned, my mate got pulled in by VOSA in his Mk2 which is running HID's and they never mentioned them then either.
If the police really want to pull me over for having HID's then let them. I bought them for my own safety not because they look cool.
and defeated the object by PAINTING part of the REFLECTORS :grin: :laugh: and also not setting your headlight s up post lowering :smug:
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hahahaha
epic thread from the dead
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I would happily go outside and take pictures to prove my point by why the hell should I?
Kells I don't see you getting any abuse :grin:
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I would happily go outside and take pictures to prove my point by why the hell should I?
Taking a picture won't prove nothing anyway as a camera lense doesn't react the same as the human eye to light !!
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I would happily go outside and take pictures to prove my point by why the hell should I?
Taking a picture won't prove nothing anyway as a camera lense doesn't react the same as the human eye to light !!
That is a very fair point, I was going to say there would be no point in a picture as it won't show what we would see in person.
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Kells I don't see you getting any abuse :grin:
too busy eating my popcorn :wink:
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yeap im too busy wi the popcorn
i know htey are illegal, not contesting that at all, iv got 3 mots under my belt and a police check of the car just 2 weeks ago, if they told me to remove them i would, till then they are staying, i do alot of nite driving with been a dj so they are actually some use to me, plus iv got projectors, yeah still not legal but they dont dazzle
runnin them in normal headlights iv got to say does, and anything higher than 6k is terrible in non projector lenses
what ones you running joe?? you got pics of them turned on??
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Hella Twin Projetors does NOT mean they don't dazzle. They are HALOGEN projectors, not HID projectors.
Jus' sayin'. :grin:
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granted :grin:
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I will post a picture, excuse the blue tint, they are 6K HIDs but the iPhone doesn't take great photos in the dark:
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6933/photoew.jpg)
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& this is a proper HID projector set up, albeit Yankee.
(http://img.alibaba.com/photo/239653183_5/fx_r_Bi_Xenon_Hid_Projector_Lens.jpg)
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Just to mention that if you involved in a crash with another car and as part of a claim the car is checked by an assesor they might spot the HID kit and since they are illegal it could invalidate your policy. Something to keep in mind, assesors are eagle eye'd and will look for any reason to not give away money.
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Mine's been fitted since I got the car, thought it was standard :undecided:
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Mine's been fitted since I got the car, thought it was standard :undecided:
best get editing on here then :grin: :rolleyes:
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Mine's been fitted since I got the car, thought it was standard :undecided:
best get editing on here then :grin: :rolleyes:
Haha! Too true.
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Mine's been fitted since I got the car, thought it was standard :undecided:
If you've delcared your other mods to an insurance company then surely you'd have an idea about the kind of bulbs in your car :tongue: It wouldn't be like an insurance company to be sympathetic about it anyway, illegal add on means they don't have to pay, so they won't.
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illegal add on means they don't have to pay, so they won't.
wrong and right... they will pay a 3rd party (so who ever you hit or whatever you damage inc passengers) but if they invalidate your policy they then claim the money from you directly (and take you to the cleaners for a long time!)
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Less than 5 minutes to change over?
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Less than 5 minutes to change over?
Yes but what happens (heaven forbid) if in that crash you were injured etc and could not get back to the car.
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Less than 5 minutes to change over?
Yes but what happens (heaven forbid) if in that crash you were injured etc and could not get back to the car.
Put simply, he'd be f**ked. :laugh:
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Less than 5 minutes to change over?
Yes but what happens (heaven forbid) if in that crash you were injured etc and could not get back to the car.
Put simply, he'd be f**ked. :laugh:
Technically not. Injured or not I'd still be able to ring my dad!
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Less than 5 minutes to change over?
Yes but what happens (heaven forbid) if in that crash you were injured etc and could not get back to the car.
Put simply, he'd be f**ked. :laugh:
Technically not. Injured or not I'd still be able to ring my dad!
What if...(heaven forbid), you couldn't ring because you'd lost your arms? I would imagine you'd ask someone to ring your Dad to remove your HIDs wouldn't you? LOL!
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Got it in one sir!
See the pattern here?
There will always be a way out.
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Got it in one sir!
See the pattern here?
There will always be a way out.
I can see the screaming in pain, but still:
"AHHHH JESUS, HELP ME!!!! MY ARMS!!!! Oh excuse me Mr. Paramedic, could you just grab my phone from my pocket, I seem to be missing my arms, and can you ring my Dad and hold it to my ear please? Thanks." LOL!
Enough of the gruesome talk, we all know HIDs are illegal, and they must be run at the owners risk, it's that simple. We speed, we do it at our own risk, we use foglights when it's not foggy, we do it at our own risk, all of these things can contribute to being inconsiderate on the roads, and everyone who drives the roads of the UK has at some point or another either been inconsiderate or broken the law and gotten away with it.
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I cannot wait until Diamond Hell arrives. :grin:
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Got it in one sir!
See the pattern here?
There will always be a way out.
I can see the screaming in pain, but still:
"AHHHH JESUS, HELP ME!!!! MY ARMS!!!! Oh excuse me Mr. Paramedic, could you just grab my phone from my pocket, I seem to be missing my arms, and can you ring my Dad and hold it to my ear please? Thanks." LOL!
Enough of the gruesome talk, we all know HIDs are illegal, and they must be run at the owners risk, it's that simple. We speed, we do it at our own risk, we use foglights when it's not foggy, we do it at our own risk, all of these things can contribute to being inconsiderate on the roads, but and everyone who drives the roads of the UK has at some point or another either been inconsiderate or broken the law and gotten away with it.
Well said Spady Wii
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Why thank you 6RV-eoJ :grin:
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There will always be a way out.
and i am sure your insurance will find it to NOT pay :grin:
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There will always be a way out.
and i am sure your insurance will find it to NOT pay :grin:
Unless he got TP only :wink:
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There will always be a way out.
and i am sure your insurance will find it to NOT pay :grin:
Unless he got TP only :wink:
What if someone hit him? Does that mean that the their insurance will inspect his car and can they decline a claim if they found HIDs?
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insurnae companies will do ANYTHING to get out of paying :wink:
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insurnae companies will do ANYTHING to get out of paying :wink:
That's what I thought, thanks chuff :smiley:
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What if someone hit him?
Err, Joe's not the only one, they wouldn't pay out for you either. ;)
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What if someone hit him?
Err, Joe's not the only one, they wouldn't pay out for you either. ;)
I'm fully aware of that. :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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To be honest I'm not even that fussed
Yes I'm only TPF&T
All mods declared apart from the HID kit.. I didn't think they'd care about 2 poxy upgraded headlight bulbs. In that case I better tell them that my dash lights up blue instead of green and this could clearly be a distraction whilst driving at night resulting in me sticking my car in a ditch. Oh and while I'm at it I better mention my orange US running lights and my LED number plate bulbs. Seriously, do you think they'll give two sh!ts?
I have no intention of driving like a tit and crashing my car. I drive everywhere like an old grandad (bit hard not to with a car that's about 10mm off the floor). The only time my car will get damaged is if somebody crashes into me, then it's them at fault and it's them who will pay out.
I couldn't care less if their insurance company didn't pay out anyway as I don't even want the car so I could break it to get my money back and buy a car I do want. I only bought it because it was cheap (£300) it had 6 months tax and 11 months mot. It was just a daily hack to last me through until next year when I'll be 20 and can afford to insure something better than a poxy VW :grin:
End of.
Thanks.
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I mentioned to my insurance company regarding HIDs with me changing to Hellas, they put it down as "Lighting - Visibility Mod"
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I mentioned to my insurance company regarding HIDs with me changing to Hellas, they put it down as "Lighting - Visibility Mod"
Really? Well I've emailed my insurance with regards to this and gonna see what they say :)
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To be honest I'm not even that fussed
Yes I'm only TPF&T
All mods declared apart from the HID kit.. I didn't think they'd care about 2 poxy upgraded headlight bulbs. In that case I better tell them that my dash lights up blue instead of green and this could clearly be a distraction whilst driving at night resulting in me sticking my car in a ditch. Oh and while I'm at it I better mention my orange US running lights and my LED number plate bulbs. Seriously, do you think they'll give two sh!ts?
I have no intention of driving like a tit and crashing my car. I drive everywhere like an old grandad (bit hard not to with a car that's about 10mm off the floor). The only time my car will get damaged is if somebody crashes into me, then it's them at fault and it's them who will pay out.
I couldn't care less if their insurance company didn't pay out anyway as I don't even want the car so I could break it to get my money back and buy a car I do want. I only bought it because it was cheap (£300) it had 6 months tax and 11 months mot. It was just a daily hack to last me through until next year when I'll be 20 and can afford to insure something better than a poxy VW :grin:
End of.
Thanks.
wont be nice for you if you dazzle a 7.5 tonne lorry and it hits you head on will it now regardless how little you care about the car. :wink:
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are the mk3 lights particularly sh!t then? i dont see the need for hid's tbh, regardless of the law!
with the mk2's an uprated loom and bright bulbs are more than good enough
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
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are the mk3 lights particularly sh!t then? i dont see the need for hid's tbh, regardless of the law!
with the mk2's an uprated loom and bright bulbs are more than good enough
I can't remember what the standard lights were like now as I've not had them for well over a year, and the light output from the Hella Twins isn't too bad but it's noticeably better with HIDs.
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are the mk3 lights particularly sh!t then? i dont see the need for hid's tbh, regardless of the law!
with the mk2's an uprated loom and bright bulbs are more than good enough
I can't remember what the standard lights were like now as I've not had them for well over a year, and the light output from the Hella Twins isn't too bad but it's noticeably better with HIDs.
Ha! you called them Hella Twins! I win
Anyway, Hella lights output the same as a candle tbh
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are the mk3 lights particularly sh!t then? i dont see the need for hid's tbh, regardless of the law!
with the mk2's an uprated loom and bright bulbs are more than good enough
I can't remember what the standard lights were like now as I've not had them for well over a year, and the light output from the Hella Twins isn't too bad but it's noticeably better with HIDs.
Ha! you called them Hella Twins! I win
Anyway, Hella lights output the same as a candle tbh
I can't be fecked with Quins lol! It'll never catch on. Never had a real problem with the original way the lights output light, but it's much better now.
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Okay regardless of illegal or not, my insurance company now know about them and have added them to my list of modification with no change to policy or premium. :smiley:
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
No
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
No
I love some Japanese cars but don't like where the scene is going (basically down Chavsville).
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
No
I love some Japanese cars but don't like where the scene is going (basically down Chavsville).
Have you seen the Orange Honda by Stiby road? Its awful!
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
No
I love some Japanese cars but don't like where the scene is going (basically down Chavsville).
Have you seen the Orange Honda by Stiby road? Its awful!
Oh yes I have, and it appears the Jap Scene in Yeovil is getting bigger, at least they are leaving the Dub scene alone now lol!
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To be honest I'm not even that fussed
Yes I'm only TPF&T
All mods declared apart from the HID kit.. I didn't think they'd care about 2 poxy upgraded headlight bulbs. In that case I better tell them that my dash lights up blue instead of green and this could clearly be a distraction whilst driving at night resulting in me sticking my car in a ditch. Oh and while I'm at it I better mention my orange US running lights and my LED number plate bulbs. Seriously, do you think they'll give two sh!ts?
I have no intention of driving like a tit and crashing my car. I drive everywhere like an old grandad (bit hard not to with a car that's about 10mm off the floor). The only time my car will get damaged is if somebody crashes into me, then it's them at fault and it's them who will pay out.
I couldn't care less if their insurance company didn't pay out anyway as I don't even want the car so I could break it to get my money back and buy a car I do want. I only bought it because it was cheap (£300) it had 6 months tax and 11 months mot. It was just a daily hack to last me through until next year when I'll be 20 and can afford to insure something better than a poxy VW :grin:
End of.
Thanks.
But your not biting at all :grin:
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Loving the name change there chuff :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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To be honest I'm not even that fussed
Yes I'm only TPF&T
All mods declared apart from the HID kit.. I didn't think they'd care about 2 poxy upgraded headlight bulbs. In that case I better tell them that my dash lights up blue instead of green and this could clearly be a distraction whilst driving at night resulting in me sticking my car in a ditch. Oh and while I'm at it I better mention my orange US running lights and my LED number plate bulbs. Seriously, do you think they'll give two sh!ts?
I have no intention of driving like a tit and crashing my car. I drive everywhere like an old grandad (bit hard not to with a car that's about 10mm off the floor). The only time my car will get damaged is if somebody crashes into me, then it's them at fault and it's them who will pay out.
I couldn't care less if their insurance company didn't pay out anyway as I don't even want the car so I could break it to get my money back and buy a car I do want. I only bought it because it was cheap (£300) it had 6 months tax and 11 months mot. It was just a daily hack to last me through until next year when I'll be 20 and can afford to insure something better than a poxy VW :grin:
End of.
Thanks.
But your not biting at all :grin:
Loving the name change there chuff :lipsrsealed: :grin:
But its not a 1.6 is it Joe :lipsrsealed:
Have you declared it yet? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Loving the name change there chuff :lipsrsealed: :grin:
could explain why it drives everywhere like a grandad :wink: :grin:
and adam - ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo do tell us ALL more, i got a polis mate round at the mo :wink:
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Loving the name change there chuff :lipsrsealed: :grin:
could explain why it drives everywhere like a grandad :wink: :grin:
and adam - ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo do tell us ALL more, i got a polis mate round at the mo :wink:
"blurt when you hear the sirens coming, i can hear the sirens coming, better run when you hear the sirens coming, i can hear the sirens coming"
Bit of Dizzee there, I feel it's appropriate.
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Loving the name change there chuff :lipsrsealed: :grin:
could explain why it drives everywhere like a grandad :wink: :grin:
and adam - ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo do tell us ALL more, i got a polis mate round at the mo :wink:
"blurt when you hear the sirens coming, i can hear the sirens coming, better run when you hear the sirens coming, i can hear the sirens coming"
Bit of Dizzee there, I feel it's appropriate.
:lipsrsealed: Im not one to tell.
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:lipsrsealed: :smiley: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:
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I cannot believe this thread is still going.
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I cannot believe I finisged all of Chhuffs popcorn.
:(
Fish n' chips time! :afro:
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I cannot believe I finisged all of Chhuffs popcorn.
:(
Fish n' chips time! :afro:
Can I join you? :grin:
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
get one then
i already have one, its what i grew up on
they are fantastic, dont underrstand why your here if you think this, and dont give me the insurance crap, i had my swift gti before i passed my test when i was 17 and even did my test in it!! haha. cost me £2300 to insure it, the car was 5 years old at the time and its the best car i ever had (still got it)
i paid my insurance monthy, and just had a regular job, but the money spent was worth it
but io do love my golfs too (for other reasons, and i think you will/do too but wont admit it)
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Joe's possibly got a line and sinker out. :wink:
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i think your right :grin:
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lol @ the poxy VW reference :grin:
Jap will always be the way forward
get one then
i already have one, its what i grew up on
they are fantastic, dont underrstand why your here if you think this, and dont give me the insurance crap, i had my swift gti before i passed my test when i was 17 and even did my test in it!! haha. cost me £2300 to insure it, the car was 5 years old at the time and its the best car i ever had (still got it)
i paid my insurance monthy, and just had a regular job, but the money spent was worth it
but io do love my golfs too (for other reasons, and i think you will/do too but wont admit it)
For your information dude it is the insurance side of things stopping me. I pay £545 with all mods declared at the moment. I'm unemployed and soon to be homeless so I can't be forking out over £2k for just my car insurance lol.
And you're right I do love my Golf, it feels a lot more luxurious compared to a Corsa/Clio/Saxo/106 .. I've been in those and if I'm honest they feel as though they're going to fall apart! Cheap nasty plastic crap haha
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well, that took some reading, lol!
:D
entertaining to say the least,
well on reading it all, i dont really want the hassle of hids, i just want to be able to see where im going at night legally!
i just got a good insurance quote with adrian flux with everything properly dedclared, so will be happy driving it now!
so.... should i start a thread on decent halogen bulbs, or does anyone have suggestions here...?
actually.... i think we shouldnt spam this thread... as it will be handy for people with the same quiery as me and put them off :D
will have a search and see if i can start any more 14 page rants, lol :D
*cheeers for the thoughts and suggestions though!
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The mk3 section at its best again.
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:D
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you can get NON hid uprated bulbs :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
:tongue:
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started a thread now, so will see what peeps have used :D
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chuff you should be running some "borrowed" forces spot/night lights......although running them I'm sure there a grey area legal wise? :undecided:
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chuff you should be running some "borrowed" forces spot/night lights......although running them I'm sure there a grey area legal wise? :undecided:
did get hold of a search light of the polis chopper based here - proberly more legal than HIDS :lipsrsealed: :tongue:
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I have a pair of World War 2 search lights off of an actual boat/ship?
They're so heavy if I stuck them on the roof of my car, my car would probably collapse lol
They're massive aswell.. easily 3ft in diameter? :grin:
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I have a pair of World War 2 search lights off of an actual boat/ship?
They're so heavy if I stuck them on the roof of my car, my car would probably collapse lol
They're massive aswell.. easily 3ft in diameter? :grin:
but are they legal?? :lipsrsealed:
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I have a pair of World War 2 search lights off of an actual boat/ship?
They're so heavy if I stuck them on the roof of my car, my car would probably collapse lol
They're massive aswell.. easily 3ft in diameter? :grin:
but are they legal?? :lipsrsealed:
if fitted to a mk3 then yep, as they are old boat lights :grin: :wink:
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At least someone has had sense and changed the title.
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At least someone has had sense and changed the title.
wasn't me! :huh:
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At least someone has had sense and changed the title.
wasn't me! :huh:
It was me :wink:
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Isn't it about time this was closed? :rolleyes:
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well can i put my pennys worth in first??????pllleeease.lol
i brought my hids off of hid direct(cheapest place ive found)
mine passed the mot and im running them in angel head lights,never had a prob with the law dude.
thank you.lol
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lol
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well.lol
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Isn't it about time this was closed? :rolleyes:
Have been thinking the same.
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I'm still unclear.....are HIDs legal then?
:grin:
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I'm still unclear.....are HIDs legal then? :laugh:
:grin:
Yes, as long as you put them in your fog lights and drive round with them on all day
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I'm still unclear.....are HIDs legal then? :laugh:
:grin:
Yes, as long as you put them in your fog lights and drive round with them on all day
But not at night.
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lol
yer they r dude
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lol
yer they r dude
Nope, wrong
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lol
yer they r dude
Nope, wrong
So instead of just saying wrong how about putting some info up to back it up? I know it's been posted already in this thread but don't just say 2 words then feck off lol!
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lol
yer they r dude
Nope, wrong
So instead of just saying wrong how about putting some info up to back it up? I know it's been posted already in this thread but don't just say 2 words then feck off lol!
It's been said, and again, and again and again.
Some people just cannot seem to see it, probably the glare from their HIDS!
One more question though, is it still twitish to put them in High beams as they blind anyway, and in conuntry lanes and that, they aren't on when trafiic is around.
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no good in high beams
as they take time to warm up to temp, and high beam needs to be instant... (like when u flash your lights etc) this is why they dont come from the factory in high beam
some people need to stop been so gay, far worse things in life to worry about :grin: :grin: :grin:
either that or go get a good long shag, blow them cobwebs away hahahaha :grin: :grin:
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Yeah I know that but I don't flash my highbeams at people, just slow down if you want to let them go, you aren't supposed to flash your lights.
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Yeah I know that but I don't flash my highbeams at people, just slow down if you want to let them go, you aren't supposed to flash your lights.
mot fail but go for it if you like
(you also need you high beam to be instant say if your on a country lane and need to flash your lights to see far ahead on a instant etc)
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There's a few interesting comments on this police discussion forum,
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=32360&hl=
I emailed the Met Police thinking those who enforce the law would know, but their reply was to go ask a garage.
Instead, I asked a retailer, HIDS4U who said this,
Unfortunately no aftermarket HID kit is strictly road legal as you are changing the lighting system (halogen to Gas discharge)
in your car and for this reason the bulbs can't be E marked which is a legal requirement. You also won't have the self
leveling and washer systems installed which is also a legal requirement for HID. Saying this however they will pass an MOT
as the beam pattern and colour of the light (as long as you don't go higher than 6000K) will be correct and this is what
gets tested in MOT's.
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lol
yer they r dude
Nope, wrong
So instead of just saying wrong how about putting some info up to back it up? I know it's been posted already in this thread but don't just say 2 words then feck off lol!
Sorry but reread the thread they are illegal end off, if you and others want to run them and piss other drivers off carry on, don't come moaning when you get pulled however.
The first HID kits appeared several year ago now and their popularity continues to increase with there now being hundreds of different types available in a range of colours, most of which have originated from the Far East, most notably China. However despite the huge growth in popularity one question still remains - Are HID Kits Legal on UK Roads?
The Department of Transport says that for a aftermarket HID Headlamp Unit to be road legal in the UK it must be:
1. Type approved to ECE Regulations 98 as a Component
2. When fitted to a vehicle should Enable ECE Regulation 48 to be Complied with (although no government inspection will take place)
3. Comply with RVLR as far as “use†is concerned
In Practice this Means the Following
a. The Headlamp Unit (Outer Lens, Reflector and Bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be E marked to demonstrate this
b. Once fitted to a vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension – some expensive estate cars have self levelling suspension and that is adequate). Also dipped beam must stay on with main beam.
c. The Headlight must be in good working order, kept clean and correctly aligned
It is important to note that the Department of Transport classify the Headlamp Unit to be the Outer Lens, Reflector and Bulb and ALL of these parts must comply with ECE Regulation 98 and be E marked to demonstrate this fact.
To conclude the Department of Transport say you are NOT permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp for use with HID bulbs. The Entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules above.
Remember under the Road Traffic Act 1998 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal
It is for these reasons that all HID kits should be sold by responsible retailers as “For Off-Road and Show Use Onlyâ€.
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There's a few interesting comments on this police discussion forum,
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=32360&hl=
I emailed the Met Police thinking those who enforce the law would know, but their reply was to go ask a garage.
Instead, I asked a retailer, HIDS4U who said this,
Unfortunately no aftermarket HID kit is strictly road legal as you are changing the lighting system (halogen to Gas discharge)
in your car and for this reason the bulbs can't be E marked which is a legal requirement. You also won't have the self
leveling and washer systems installed which is also a legal requirement for HID. Saying this however they will pass an MOT
as the beam pattern and colour of the light (as long as you don't go higher than 6000K) will be correct and this is what
gets tested in MOT's.
Interesting indeed, I passed a traffic cop today, no issues
as he didn't come after me lol.
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What's wrong with dim old lights anyhoo it adds to the mystique
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Think this thread has been settled now, no?
Lock it.
Happy new year x
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Most major roads these days have hid powered street lights any way.
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Simply put, their illegal.
Thing is, police really got better things to do then screw you over for lights unless their an absolute cock. MOTS are usually passable aswell as their more concerned with the alignment of your headlights than the bulbs itself ... you could easily just throw in normal H7 Yellow Halogens just to pass the MOT and take them out as soon as you get the certificate right in front of their face; knowing this fact, MOT Testers usually just shrug their shoulders when it comes to HIDs.
Thats from my experience anyway ...
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Most major roads these days have hid powered street lights any way.
Yes but the beam is not directed into your eyes like it is when an oncoming car has a hid kit !!
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Most major roads these days have hid powered street lights any way.
Yes but the beam is not directed into your eyes like it is when an oncoming car has a hid kit !!
Not going to help the situation here but since we are talking about cars with projectors that do not scatter, thus they will not blind other road users as long as they have been adjusted correctly.
LOCK IT!
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Most major roads these days have hid powered street lights any way.
Yes but the beam is not directed into your eyes like it is when an oncoming car has a hid kit !!
Not going to help the situation here but since we are talking about cars with projectors that do not scatter, thus they will not blind other road users as long as they have been adjusted correctly.
LOCK IT!
Projectors designed for HALOGEN bulbs, they do slightly glare and scatter with HIDs.
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lol...
seems it is a hot topic this!!
just seems that things like this it should be just be reviewed by the law and made simple...
would save arguments like this!!
but hey.... whens life easy?!!?!
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lol...
seems it is a hot topic this!!
just seems that things like this it should be just be reviewed by the law and made simple...
would save arguments like this!!
but hey.... whens life easy?!!?!
What difference would that make, they are illegal but people are using them, never going to change to be honest.
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well, jd and coke is talking atm lol
what i mean is..
if it wasnt such an on the fence subject...
from reading the above articles... you can have them with levelers, projetors and washer jets, but they still wont be legal??
if it was just as simple as making them illegal in as mant words, instead of if or buts..?
you get my meaning?? lol