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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: funkyfive on 01 July 2009, 11:44
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I am thinking about lowering my golf gti 8v by 60mm on WEITEC ULTRA GT Sports Suspensions and was wondering is this too low?
Also I have a full Magnex Stainless Exhaust System and was also wondering will there be any issues?
Does anyone have pics?
I have already got powerflex bump stops and VR6 top mounts from ebay.
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I lowered mine more than that with no issues.
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Did you have issues with the exhaust banging on the cross members?
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Did you have issues with the exhaust banging on the cross members?
Yes, but moved the clamp and was fine after.
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60mm = nothing!
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I have a custom exhaust bent over the axel.
I have cheapo coilovers, and they have now failed.
I am going to upgrade to the same coilovers you are talking about, i would recomend changing all of the bushes on the suspension, with powerflex ones, or just new standard ones. And also the top mounts.
As when you go low they get battered to bits. I Changed them all and fitted the coilovers, done about 20k on them, and my car is literally falling to bits suspension wise!!! Totally needs an overhall. Next week :D
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60mm = nothing!
What have you lowered yours on and how much?
You got pics?
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60mm = nothing!
What have you lowered yours on and how much?
You got pics?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=101167.0
I was running 85mm drop front and 70mm rear on mine with no real issues.
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60mm = nothing!
What have you lowered yours on and how much?
You got pics?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=101167.0
I was running 85mm drop front and 70mm rear on mine with no real issues.
Wow, thats low :grin:
I had a full jetex system on my old vr6, it was lowered about 30mm.
I did have some clearance issues with the rear axle and exhaust, but i thinks it was because the exhaust was so big! :laugh:
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60mm = nothing!
What have you lowered yours on and how much?
You got pics?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=101167.0
I was running 85mm drop front and 70mm rear on mine with no real issues.
That is a low rider. 60mm for me will be fine.
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Got the hottuning group buy before xmas, loved the lowered look and cornering capability on smooth roads but on rough country roads car was too solid, spent more time in the air than on the road. End result was slower speed than standard. Went through new mounts within a month. Ended up putting back in std old suspension but the hard rough ride has made sh*t of everything else. Creaks and rattles everywhere. Full suspension overhall now required. Should of spent the extra bit for high quality, good ride set up.
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Bit of a debate with the Hottuning coilovers. Mine are alrite now, I just didn't fit the front top mount bearing correctly.
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Do you need bump stops if you drop it 60mm?
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Do you need bump stops if you drop it 60mm?
Yes and if you go lower, saves the shock if it bottoms out.
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Do you need bump stops if you drop it 60mm?
Yes and if you go lower, saves the shock if it bottoms out.
Should i be able to see the bump stops on the current setup?
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Do you need bump stops if you drop it 60mm?
Yes and if you go lower, saves the shock if it bottoms out.
Should i be able to see the bump stops on the current setup?
Yes but they may have broken up and fell off.
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Do you need bump stops if you drop it 60mm?
Yes and if you go lower, saves the shock if it bottoms out.
Should i be able to see the bump stops on the current setup?
Cheers Wayne, I am going to rebuild them this weekend. Do you think powerflex bumpstops are the way forward or will standard will do?
Yes but they may have broken up and fell off.
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Does anyone know where to get the socket from for the slotted nut for the top of the strut?
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Halfords or ebay.
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Does anyone know where to get the socket from for the slotted nut for the top of the strut?
Or try a longish allen key and plug socket.
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Does anyone know where to get the socket from for the slotted nut for the top of the strut?
Or try a longish allen key and plug socket.
7mm brake caliper allen key works wonders
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I got the allen key, but not the socket for the slotted locking nut.
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Is this the one i need as i am a bit unsure?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290327274133&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&salenotsupported
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Is this the one i need as i am a bit unsure?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290327274133&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&salenotsupported
No, I cannot find it on ebay but it is a slotted type socket.
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1624489
I could not find a tool so I did mine as the above link.
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Was thinking of a complete suspension overhaul myself.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a complete b!tch to change it all? and is it possible to do it myself, or would I need some specialist tools?
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Was thinking of a complete suspension overhaul myself.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a complete b!tch to change it all? and is it possible to do it myself, or would I need some specialist tools?
is a piece of piss to do, only hard bit is fighting with rusty nuts/bolts.. i used a spark plug socket with an adjustable spanner attached to it wit a 7mm allen key down the middle instead of the slotted socket.
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Was thinking of a complete suspension overhaul myself.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a complete b!tch to change it all? and is it possible to do it myself, or would I need some specialist tools?
is a piece of piss to do, only hard bit is fighting with rusty nuts/bolts.. i used a spark plug socket with an adjustable spanner attached to it wit a 7mm allen key down the middle instead of the slotted socket.
Abso-bloody-marvelous!!
So changing all the bushes isn't hard to do? I thought I read before that they need to be pressed in/out and it's not an easy task....
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Aren't people getting confused between the top nut holding the plate and the slotted nut holding the top mount to the strut?
Offset spanner and allen key, or allen key and spark plug socket to do the top nut.
If i remember right the mk3 doesn't have the slotted nut, just a normal nut holding the strut together.
Well it did on the vr i had.
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Aren't people getting confused between the top nut holding the plate and the slotted nut holding the top mount to the strut?
Offset spanner and allen key, or allen key and spark plug socket to do the top nut.
If i remember right the mk3 doesn't have the slotted nut, just a normal nut holding the strut together.
Well it did on the vr i had.
Correct, it is a normal nut.
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Snap On impact gun wizzed mine off.
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Hi Guys
My mk3 has a slotted nut on the top mount, i am one strut of rebuilding the fronts with new top mounts, bump stops, and top plates prior to lowering my old girl. I am having a major issue with this nut and need the tool and a impact wrench to get it off.
I think i found the socket on ebay and have already ordered it. I hope it works other wise i will have to hack saw it off.
Also where can you buy the slotted nuts from?
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The link you posted is the correct tool.
You've shouldn't need an impact wrench to get it off, but i would crack it off while the strut is still on the car.
You can get new slotted nuts from the main dealer.
Is your car not a gti?
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The link you posted is the correct tool.
You've shouldn't need an impact wrench to get it off, but i would crack it off while the strut is still on the car.
You can get new slotted nuts from the main dealer.
Is your car not a gti?
Yes its a gti but I am putting on a lowering kit and am building new struts.
Thanks for confirming the tool.
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If you have a piece of tube or similar sized socket that will go over the strut top you can make something to undo the slotted nut with a grinder or file (admittedly a lot of hard work to file if using a socket lol).
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Cheers DOA, but i bought the tool for £8.50 of ebay 10 mins ago.
Does anyone know if OEM part number: 357-412-329 will fit a mk3 gti 8v 1995?
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I got the slotted nut off and now need to order 2 new ones and two new spring plates.
Anyone got any ideas where i can these from on the cheap?
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Why do you need new nuts? are the old ones f**ked?
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Why do you need new nuts? are the old ones f**ked?
Yes mate big time. These struts were a bit*ch to fix.
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Get the nuts from vw, they aren't expensive.
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correct me if im wrong but are the gti's internals lower then the other mk3s. because your all talking about 60mm drops being low but my 1.4 is down 110 on the back and 95 on the front and theres no real problems :lipsrsealed:
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u195/omex_uk/456.jpg)
no rubbing arches, no scrapping parts. yes its stiff and you have to hit speedbumps at 1mph but meh. thats on standard bumpstops and bushings to.
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correct me if im wrong but are the gti's internals lower then the other mk3s. because your all talking about 60mm drops being low but my 1.4 is down 110 on the back and 95 on the front and theres no real problems :lipsrsealed:
no rubbing arches, no scrapping parts. yes its stiff and you have to hit speedbumps at 1mph but meh. thats on standard bumpstops and bushings to.
is differnt when you arnt driving a heap of sh!t though :wink:
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correct me if im wrong but are the gti's internals lower then the other mk3s. because your all talking about 60mm drops being low but my 1.4 is down 110 on the back and 95 on the front and theres no real problems :lipsrsealed:
no rubbing arches, no scrapping parts. yes its stiff and you have to hit speedbumps at 1mph but meh. thats on standard bumpstops and bushings to.
is differnt when you arnt driving a heap of sh!t though :wink:
lol that is true.
it was more of a response for the people who think 60mm is low.
my gti(which isnt a heap) is going that low if not lower :D
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I cannot see the point of running a car that low to be honest,must be horrid to drive.
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I cannot see the point of running a car that low to be honest,must be horrid to drive.
depends what you class as horrid. its bumpy as hell but i like being able to feel the road.
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That is seriously low!
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Get the nuts from vw, they aren't expensive.
Nuts are only £1.72 from vw.
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Yes as i said they are cheap.
I had to change them on an Audi 90 a few years back, the garage that worked on the car previously had used a chisel and hammer to remove them :sick:
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That is low
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Major problem, i got all the bits from vw then come accross some major issues.
There seem to be two types of mounts, bearings etc.. on ETKA can anyone help?
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Major problem, i got all the bits from vw then come accross some major issues.
There seem to be two types of mounts, bearings etc.. on ETKA can anyone help?
The top spring plate changed from 60mm to 80mm I believe, but all the top mounts are the same.
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Major problem, i got all the bits from vw then come accross some major issues.
There seem to be two types of mounts, bearings etc.. on ETKA can anyone help?
The top spring plate changed from 60mm to 80mm I believe, but all the top mounts are the same.
You sure its not 80mm to 60mm?
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Major problem, i got all the bits from vw then come accross some major issues.
There seem to be two types of mounts, bearings etc.. on ETKA can anyone help?
The top spring plate changed from 60mm to 80mm I believe, but all the top mounts are the same.
You sure its not 80mm to 60mm?
Yes sorry early ones were bigger.
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Damn that also means the top mounts will be different?
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Damn that also means the top mounts will be different?
No all the top mounts are the same, you need VR6 spec.
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I used and can recommend these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK3-GTI-VR6-CORRADO-SHOCK-TOP-MOUNT-KITS-C358_W0QQitemZ190303140410QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2c4ef37a3a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Rear if needed:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK2-MK3-CORRADO-REAR-SHOCK-MOUNT-KIT-C187_W0QQitemZ200281847750QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2ea1ba77c6&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50
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I used and can recommend these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK3-GTI-VR6-CORRADO-SHOCK-TOP-MOUNT-KITS-C358_W0QQitemZ190303140410QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2c4ef37a3a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Rear if needed:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK2-MK3-CORRADO-REAR-SHOCK-MOUNT-KIT-C187_W0QQitemZ200281847750QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2ea1ba77c6&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50
Thanks God, thats the bloke i bought mine from lol.
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Problem i have got i am not over confident that the new spring plates will fit and hold the springs. Also the hole in the middle is alot bigger.
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As an idea could i use the old spring plates and put the new top mounts on? I've been told the strut housing is all the same on the mk3's!!??
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As an idea could i use the old spring plates and put the new top mounts on? I've been told the strut housing is all the same on the mk3's!!??
Yes you can reuse the old spring plates.
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As an idea could i use the old spring plates and put the new top mounts on? I've been told the strut housing is all the same on the mk3's!!??
Yes you can reuse the old spring plates.
But would that be ok with the new top mounts?
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As an idea could i use the old spring plates and put the new top mounts on? I've been told the strut housing is all the same on the mk3's!!??
Yes you can reuse the old spring plates.
But would that be ok with the new top mounts?
Yes, fine
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As an idea could i use the old spring plates and put the new top mounts on? I've been told the strut housing is all the same on the mk3's!!??
Yes you can reuse the old spring plates.
But would that be ok with the new top mounts?
Yes, fine
Your a star!! Thanks for that as i was getting nervous. I should have guessed there would be issues.
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No worries, happy to help.
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I think i need the below due to the type of suspension kit
Plates - 1H0 412 341
Threaded Bush - 811 412 365
Top Mounts - 357 412 329
Washer - 171 412 369
My car is an 1995 ADY.
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I've worked on;
2 1993 Mk3's
1 1994 Mk3
1 1995 Mk3
3 1996 Mk3's
I've chopped and changed suspension more times than I care to remember and I've never came across any problems with spring plates or top mounts, so why you so worried?
I've even put Mk3 suspension on a Mk2 and vise versa without any problems.
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I've never done the suspension myself before. I bought a lowering kit for Mk3's excluding the gti's and VR6 due to the price and that fact it drops it 60mm. The springs plates seem to be different on my car as they are smaller than the ones supplied with the kit and i just want to make sure i do it right e.g use the supplied spring plates with either the new top mounts or buy the other top mounts. The other reason i need to get it right is i have two children and the wife is getting pi**ed off i keep spending lots of time on the car.
So planning and preperation is really important to me.
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Fair enough buddy..
If spring plates were supplied with the lowering kit like you say they were then you obviously use them with the kit...
As for the top mounts, it doesn't matter what top mounts you use as I believe they all fit the same way and do the same job
I see what you mean about planning and preperation but without trying things out you don't know if it's going to work
:)
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Good advice Joe. I will give it a go on Saturday.
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Just wondering before I get coilovers, what does changing the top mounts for VR6 top mounts actually do? Are the stiffer or something? thanks :smiley:
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Just wondering before I get coilovers, what does changing the top mounts for VR6 top mounts actually do? Are the stiffer or something? thanks :smiley:
Yes uprated a bit from GTI spec.
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Just wondering before I get coilovers, what does changing the top mounts for VR6 top mounts actually do? Are the stiffer or something? thanks :smiley:
makes no differnce to performance or anything, they are used as they are seen to least longer due to being slightly more 'heavy duty'