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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Egbutt Wash on 14 March 2009, 16:35

Title: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 14 March 2009, 16:35
Do any of you have really awful tyres on your GTI?
Not just bald good ones but tyres that are rubbish from the start.

It might help others to avoid duffers.
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: DOTE on 14 March 2009, 17:36
Dunlop Sportmaxx!!!!!

I'm just joking, I don't want to start another 6 page monster thread     :grin:

Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 14 March 2009, 17:44
I was thinking of peculiar brands like Sunshine.
The sort you sometimes get when you buy secondhand.
All the oem tyres fitted by VW should be OK.
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: matthewsimone on 14 March 2009, 20:18
i have some sh!t tyres on front of my gti called heros haha absolute crap, they still got loads of tread on them and were on car when i bought it last month but going to bin them next week and get 2 continentals to match the rears lol
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: winrya on 14 March 2009, 20:58
but going to bin them next week and get 2 continentals to match the rears lol

Get something better then, Goodyear F1 assy's are in another league to conti2's which mine came with.  Probably similar in price also :smiley:
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: matthewsimone on 15 March 2009, 00:12
yeah i no what your saying winrya but want to have same tyres all round and the conti2s on rear are virtualy new lol and not keen on mixed tyre brands to be honest so il prob let the new set run down together then change all 4 to f1s or similar cheers though matey,
anything has to be better than these hero tyres i have at mo  :laugh:
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 15 March 2009, 12:14
yeah i no what your saying winrya but want to have same tyres all round and the conti2s on rear are virtualy new lol and not keen on mixed tyre brands to be honest so il prob let the new set run down together then change all 4 to f1s or similar cheers though matey,
anything has to be better than these hero tyres i have at mo  :laugh:

That's why they try to force you to put new tyres on the back.  So all four don't wear out together and you'll change brand.

ABS and ESP sorted out massive oversteer in the wet years ago.  I always put my new tyres on the front that way all 4 wear down together and I have the pleasure of plenty of grip where I need it.
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: Gene Hunt. on 15 March 2009, 19:05
I always have the same tyres all round but when the front need changing,the ''old'' rears go on the front & the ''new'' rubber goes on the rear.
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: dan_apps on 15 March 2009, 19:30
but going to bin them next week and get 2 continentals to match the rears lol

Get something better then, Goodyear F1 assy's are in another league to conti2's which mine came with.  Probably similar in price also :smiley:

sorry but thats not right, i had conti2 then 3 and got eagle f1's now and they are the same, as in there is no difference in performance trust me with the mileage i do and where i travel i.e. roads that are bendy etc you notice and both are equally as good!
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 15 March 2009, 20:36
I always have the same tyres all round but when the front need changing,the ''old'' rears go on the front & the ''new'' rubber goes on the rear.

That way they have you hooked to their brand.
Clever.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: TomB on 15 March 2009, 23:09
Its actually down to the way rubber degrades.

You can typically get 4-5 years out of a set before they start to crack.  When they do, they're an MOT issue.  If you put your oldest tyres on the driven axle, you are eliminating that risk.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 16 March 2009, 09:46
Its actually down to the way rubber degrades.

You can typically get 4-5 years out of a set before they start to crack.  When they do, they're an MOT issue.  If you put your oldest tyres on the driven axle, you are eliminating that risk.

My fronts have lasted one year, the rears look as though they will last two.
I am convinced the tyre makers have used the case of a dreadful old American car spinning after hitting a puddle to force us into this knackered tyres on front policy.

I will trust in my ABS and ESP and enjoy nice new rubber on the front.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Cooper7 on 16 March 2009, 10:24
When i bought my GTI it had a pair of 'Admiral' tyres on the front, they were so bad in the wet they were dangerous, had them replaced within 2 weeks!
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 16 March 2009, 11:20
When i bought my GTI it had a pair of 'Admiral' tyres on the front, they were so bad in the wet they were dangerous, had them replaced within 2 weeks!

But the tyre makers say you should only have worn out slippy rubber on the front.  lol
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: joesgti on 16 March 2009, 14:56
i had kumo tyers on my gti to start, they were sh!te and swapped for F1's, now have F1 asys all round! :afro:

the kumo's were just a budget tyer with a name, ive also found yoko's to not be to good in the past.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 16 March 2009, 15:35
i had kumo tyers on my gti to start, they were sh!te and swapped for F1's, now have F1 asys all round! :afro:

the kumo's were just a budget tyer with a name, ive also found yoko's to not be to good in the past.

I was going to put Kumhos on but after your review joe I think I'll fit Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetrics as per Evo's test.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: joesgti on 16 March 2009, 15:47
i had kumo tyers on my gti to start, they were sh!te and swapped for F1's, now have F1 asys all round! :afro:

the kumo's were just a budget tyer with a name, ive also found yoko's to not be to good in the past.

I was going to put Kumhos on but after your review joe I think I'll fit Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetrics as per Evo's test.

keith at white-lund tyers and exhausts is the cheapest around here if your buying local  :smiley:

or RSM (road and stage motorsport), white lund again. 
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 16 March 2009, 16:11
i had kumo tyers on my gti to start, they were sh!te and swapped for F1's, now have F1 asys all round! :afro:

the kumo's were just a budget tyer with a name, ive also found yoko's to not be to good in the past.

I was going to put Kumhos on but after your review joe I think I'll fit Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetrics as per Evo's test.

keith at white-lund tyers and exhausts is the cheapest around here if your buying local  :smiley:

or RSM (road and stage motorsport), white lund again. 
#
Thanks joe.
Just phoned White Lund.
£102 fitted, inc. VAT

That's the one for me.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: joesgti on 16 March 2009, 16:41
i had kumo tyers on my gti to start, they were sh!te and swapped for F1's, now have F1 asys all round! :afro:

the kumo's were just a budget tyer with a name, ive also found yoko's to not be to good in the past.

I was going to put Kumhos on but after your review joe I think I'll fit Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetrics as per Evo's test.

keith at white-lund tyers and exhausts is the cheapest around here if your buying local  :smiley:

or RSM (road and stage motorsport), white lund again. 
#
Thanks joe.
Just phoned White Lund.
£102 fitted, inc. VAT

That's the one for me.


good stuff! :afro:
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Edition30 on 16 March 2009, 20:29
For assys??

Thought £120 per corner was a good deal.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 16 March 2009, 22:38
For assys??

Thought £120 per corner was a good deal.  :shocked:

01524 846373  for White Lund
"the price we quote is the price you pay"  is their motto

Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: Gene Hunt. on 18 March 2009, 08:09
I always have the same tyres all round but when the front need changing,the ''old'' rears go on the front & the ''new'' rubber goes on the rear.

That way they have you hooked to their brand.
Clever.
.........true but if you'r happy with the brand then no problem + you should always have the most tread on the rear tyres.
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 18 March 2009, 10:19
.........true but if you'r happy with the brand then no problem + you should always have the most tread on the rear tyres.

I'll trust in my ESP.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: ifti on 18 March 2009, 18:46
What are the general prices of tyres for the GTI, when you have 18" alloys?
Is it around the £120 per tyre mark?
Title: Re: Really bad tyres
Post by: jphealy on 19 March 2009, 10:52
I always have the same tyres all round but when the front need changing,the ''old'' rears go on the front & the ''new'' rubber goes on the rear.

That way they have you hooked to their brand.
Clever.
.........true but if you'r happy with the brand then no problem + you should always have the most tread on the rear tyres.

Why is it important to have the most tread at the rear?  Is it not more important to have more grip at the front, for acceleration and braking?
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: MarkS on 19 March 2009, 13:39
Means your car is less likely to lose grip at the back and spin out.
So what you lose in sharp handling at the front, you gain by having a more sure-footed rear end :)
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 19 March 2009, 17:36
Means your car is less likely to lose grip at the back and spin out.
So what you lose in sharp handling at the front, you gain by having a more sure-footed rear end :)

That's why they invented ESP.  The back end just does not fly out as in cars of yore.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: TomB on 19 March 2009, 22:46
Hmm, I had the back end of my Ibiza Cupra out a few times and that had ESP!  I also had a major sideways moment in my mums MX-5 when hooning that about, the back end stepped out before ESP could even think about it.
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: MarkS on 19 March 2009, 23:49
Means your car is less likely to lose grip at the back and spin out.
So what you lose in sharp handling at the front, you gain by having a more sure-footed rear end :)

That's why they invented ESP.  The back end just does not fly out as in cars of yore.

ESP or not, you can still spin a mk5 GTi.
Also, you'll find older cars' back ends don't 'just fly out' either :)
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: Egbutt Wash on 20 March 2009, 09:01
Means your car is less likely to lose grip at the back and spin out.
So what you lose in sharp handling at the front, you gain by having a more sure-footed rear end :)

That's why they invented ESP.  The back end just does not fly out as in cars of yore.

ESP or not, you can still spin a mk5 GTi.
Also, you'll find older cars' back ends don't 'just fly out' either :)

Tyretastic
What tyres do you use on that white car MarkS?
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: ifti on 20 March 2009, 09:12
Why should you always have the most tread on the back, considering its a FWD vehicle??
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: joesgti on 20 March 2009, 09:42
i have often had my back end out on my gti!?  :huh:
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: MarkS on 20 March 2009, 10:34
Means your car is less likely to lose grip at the back and spin out.
So what you lose in sharp handling at the front, you gain by having a more sure-footed rear end :)

That's why they invented ESP.  The back end just does not fly out as in cars of yore.

ESP or not, you can still spin a mk5 GTi.
Also, you'll find older cars' back ends don't 'just fly out' either :)

Tyretastic
What tyres do you use on that white car MarkS?

Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: pazz on 20 March 2009, 14:00
Why should you always have the most tread on the back, considering its a FWD vehicle??

It is a general and well accepted rule that you should have tyres with the most tread on the back regardless of how the wheels are driven (FWD or RWD or 4WD).

The rears follow the fronts.(this may sound stupid but useful for picturing things).

If you fitted tyres with more tread on the front you could well experience fish-tailing (pretty dangerous) in straight lines which is where you are driving in a straight line and the back end breaks away from the direction in which you are travelling. EXTREMELY dangerous in the wet. As well as oversteer during open-throttle scenario's (in a FWD).

Fit tyres with more tread to the rear and the worst case scenario will be you boot it on the exit of a corner and end up understeering. And ANYONE driving a FWD car should know how to control understeer = to lift off the throttle during those scenarios.

Its sensible to say that it's easier to distinguish when front wheels loose traction - mainly due to the fact that they are in control of the driver via steering wheel. Rear wheels are generally more difficult and is the basis to the idea of being "caught out".
Title: Re: Same brand for all four
Post by: ifti on 20 March 2009, 14:03
Ah that explains it.
Cheers ;)