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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: jphealy on 18 February 2009, 13:56
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I picked up my new (to me) '06 GTI last Saturday. Fuel warning came on yesterday, and I went and filled it up today. The needle had been in the red (although not quite at the bottom) and I had probably driven about 20 miles since the warning light came on.
When I went to fill up today, the pump put in 53.6 litres of fuel before it stopped. The tank is supposedly 55l, right? Does that mean that all I had left in the tank was 1.4l? That seems very little to me.
In my last car, when the fuel guage was right at the bottom and the warning light was flashing at me for a while, I used to fill up and rarely be able to put in any more than about 45l, and the tank was 52l. So the reserve, after driving for a while with the warning on, was about 7l. In my GTI, I only had 1.4l left, and that's filling up quite soon after the warning came on!
Is it possible the tank is maybe closer to 60l in reality? What's the max amount of fuel you were ever able to put in?
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The warning light will come on when you have about 30 miles left of fuel give or take. That about as much input as I can give, never really noted how much I stick in, just fill her up and be done with it tbh.
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I guess I must have been close to empty if the warning light comes on with about 30 miles left.
Anybody else know the max amount they've ever put in?
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around 43/44 litres when v-power was £1.20
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around 43/44 litres when v-power was £1.20
That's the kind of figure I was expecting. I still can't believe I just put almost 54 litres of petrol in my car! I've only been averaging 27.4mpg so far (mainly city driving), so hopefully that'll improve. I have 99 RON in it now, and I'm assuming that it had 95 RON in it when I got it, so hopefully that'll make a difference.
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FWIW - the tank will be 55 litres as described but that will not include the neck and the filler pipe...
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I once managed to get 58 liters in the tank. Company fuel card only allows Shell stations, and it was a bit further than expected...
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Wow! Could there be more than three litres in the neck and filler pipe?
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When the computer range said 15 miles it took me 53 litres to fill it.
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I've put in 55 and point something more before :-)) tight jock LOL nah just trying to see what I could get out of it...... Before I learned to lurve the dsg in a mode and petrol came down from 127.9p per litre !!!!!!
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I've often put in over 50 litres. It's listed as 55 capacity IIRC.
Also, even when the display says I've got 0 miles left (after a countdown with the fuel pump symbol) I've had another 20 miles.
Not something I've wanted to do too often but just trying to make it to a Shell station.
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Does the computer count down your range in 10s of km? (I'm in Ireland, so my display is in km) Anytime I've checked my range, it's been a multiple of ten. Maybe when it's in miles, it's in multiples of 5?
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UK ones count down in multiples of 5 miles.
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If you have highline you might be able to change the Km to Miles and vice versa. As I'm old school and measure large distances by miles I have left it on that setting. Though I measure smaller things in millimetres which is odd. Maybe I'm just confused.
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Well 5 miles is 8km, which I guess is close enough to 10. Not quite as accurate as the imperial cars though!
I don't have highline (which is very annoying - but it's hardly worth retro-fitting, is it? Anybody have an idea how much VW charge for this?). Anyway, I'm doing my best to think metric all the time as it just makes so much more sense (but I'm still a little more used to miles). In Ireland for years and years, all distance road signs were in km, while speed limits and car speedos have been in miles. How crazy is that?! It was only a few years ago that we eventually switched the speed limits and car speedos to match.
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For the additional options you get I doubt it will be worth it, id imagine VW will pull your pants down on the cost of getting it fitted.
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For the additional options you get I doubt it will be worth it, id imagine VW will pull your pants down on the cost of getting it fitted.
....I don't think it is worth the very high cost of changing from Mid to Highline. You can easily change settings via VAS or VCSD(VAGcom). I regretted not ordering Highline at first but not any longer.
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The warning light will come on when you have about 30 miles left of fuel give or take. That about as much input as I can give, never really noted how much I stick in, just fill her up and be done with it tbh.
That isn't quite correct. The fuel warning light should first come on when there is about 7 litres remaining in the tank. The 'miles remaining' in the DIS is completely variable, because the DIS readings actually continuously adjust.
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I picked up my new (to me) '06 GTI last Saturday. Fuel warning came on yesterday, and I went and filled it up today. The needle had been in the red (although not quite at the bottom) and I had probably driven about 20 miles since the warning light came on.
When I went to fill up today, the pump put in 53.6 litres of fuel before it stopped. The tank is supposedly 55l, right? Does that mean that all I had left in the tank was 1.4l? That seems very little to me.
If the fuel light came on yesterday, you then parked up overnight, and then drove a further 20miles from a cold start, then it is perfectly likely that you only had 1.4 litres left! A close call.
Is it possible the tank is maybe closer to 60l in reality? What's the max amount of fuel you were ever able to put in?
OK, the fuel tank on all front wheel drive Mk5 Golfs (not too sure about the 4motion ones) has a nominal capacity of 55 litres. What that basically means - from a bone dry tank, to the first click-stop on a correctly calibrated fuel delivery nozzle (using a set delivery rate, delivering un-aireated fuel at ambient temps), in a car parked on the level - and you should be able to get near as damn it 55 litres. However, with a little care, and a lot of patience, if you want to actually 'brim' the tank (which is the only real way for accurate fuel consumption calculations), then you can actually get a further 10 litres in. But these last 10 litres can take just as long as the first 55 litres. Most 'hatchback' styled cars are like this, whereas conventional saloon cars tend to be less (on the Audi A4 range, you can only squeeze an extra 2 litres).
So in nerd mode, even though the GTI is supposed to only have a 55 litre tank, I can sometimes get more fuel in that, than I can in my RS4, which has a 63 litre tank! :nerd:
A word of CAUTION though. :nerd: If you do decide to 'brim' your tank, then do NOT immediately park it up - especially if it is a black (or dark coloured) car, and you leave it in bright sunlight. Because if you do, you will probably find that most of that extra 10 litres has been vented out the overflow, right next to your right rear tyre! :cry:
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Good knowledge as always T_T!
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My bleedin problem is getting the damn fuel in there!!!! :angry:
It must click off 15 times trying to fill from empty! :cry:
Think I may have a problem.....
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A word of CAUTION though. :nerd: If you do decide to 'brim' your tank, then do NOT immediately park it up - especially if it is a black (or dark coloured) car, and you leave it in bright sunlight. Because if you do, you will probably find that most of that extra 10 litres has been vented out the overflow, right next to your right rear tyre! :cry:
KAAAABOOOOOM !
(http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-02/nuclear-bomb-badger.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D
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I've often put in over 50 litres. It's listed as 55 capacity IIRC.
Correct. :afro: :smiley:
Also, even when the display says I've got 0 miles left (after a countdown with the fuel pump symbol) I've had another 20 miles.
You might want to try a little experiment. Let us say you have been caning your car for the last half hour or so, giving it some serious beans - and you notice the fuel light come on at say 25 miles remaining - when that happens, then change your driving style to that of a granny (Driving Miss Daisy :wink:). What you should actually find is that the miles remaining will actually start to increase, and you may actually be able to get 40, 50 or even 60 miles - when previously the miles remaining said 25. This is because the trip computer constantly 'recalcualtes' the miles left based on your current driving style.
I was forced to do this a few years ago in my last S4. I was in south France at Montpellier late on a Sunday night, my fuel warning light had been on for a little while, so I searched the SatNav for 24h fuel stations. I tried about 6 or 7 - all feckin closed. :angry: After getting a little irritated, my DIS said sommat like 5 miles remaining. Eventually spoke to a local, who basically said I had no chance to get any fuel :rolleyes: - so I was forced to try my luck. My apartment was about 45 miles away, :shocked: with the vast majority on the A9 Autoroute. Trundled off, using NO throttle pedal, got into 6th gear, doing 20mph. :embarassed: As I crawled along, the miles remaining started to rise, and at one stage got as high as 35 miles remaining. It ran dry about 2 miles before the appartment (I think I had done about 42/43 miles like this), luckily, I was now off the Autoroute.
Not something I've wanted to do too often but just trying to make it to a Shell station.
Ahh, yes, the automotive version of 'Russian Roulette' - done that myself way too many times. One day I will run dry and look a complete tool! :embarassed: :grin:
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If you have highline you might be able to change the Km to Miles and vice versa. As I'm old school and measure large distances by miles I have left it on that setting. Though I measure smaller things in millimetres which is odd. Maybe I'm just confused.
Got something to confess? :laugh: Do you have small feet too? :evil: :evil:
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For the additional options you get I doubt it will be worth it, id imagine VW will pull your pants down on the cost of getting it fitted.
....I don't think it is worth the very high cost of changing from Mid to Highline. You can easily change settings via VAS or VCSD(VAGcom). I regretted not ordering Highline at first but not any longer.
Yeah, I agree with Robin. Whilst the highline IS handy, and is a real no-brainer if you are ordering a brand new car - most of its functions are usually just a 'set once and forget' affair. A mate with vag-com, or even most dealers are happy to tweak the same settings which the highine does for nowt - or a few beers, or a tip for the workshop tea-swindle at worst.
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My bleedin problem is getting the damn fuel in there!!!! :angry:
It must click off 15 times trying to fill from empty! :cry:
Think I may have a problem.....
Happens to me too.
I have a feeling that a lot of pumps have had increased flow rates, they certainly seem to take less time to fill the tank.
If the nozzle's close to the side of the filer pipe then the fuel could back up the pipe and activate the cut out.
I just waggle the nozzle and try again, eventually get it flowing smoothly.
Ahh, yes, the automotive version of 'Russian Roulette' - done that myself way too many times. One day I will run dry and look a complete tool! :embarassed: :grin:
Been there, done that, by the side of the M3 no less, no choice but to call the breakdown service.
In my defence, I wasn't trying to get it to the next shell station, I just hadn't realised it was so low.
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My bleedin problem is getting the damn fuel in there!!!! :angry:
It must click off 15 times trying to fill from empty! :cry:
Think I may have a problem.....
Not really. You have to lift out the nozzle so it is only just inside the filler neck, and then just gently squeeze the trigger - try to only sqeeze the trigger enough not to actually get it to click stop. But it does take an eternity. :embarassed:
Oh, some Total pumps have a higher delivery rate, and they can be a right mare! I generally don't even bother trying with them. And another 'oh' - some Tesco pumps have quite a short time duration before they automatically cut the power to the pump, so with some Tesco pumps, you may only be able to get say 5 litres in, before the pump 'times-out'.
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A word of CAUTION though. :nerd: If you do decide to 'brim' your tank, then do NOT immediately park it up - especially if it is a black (or dark coloured) car, and you leave it in bright sunlight. Because if you do, you will probably find that most of that extra 10 litres has been vented out the overflow, right next to your right rear tyre! :cry:
KAAAABOOOOOM !
(http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-02/nuclear-bomb-badger.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D
LOL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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On several occasions I have been a numpty and almost run dry so had to brim up at a BP and everytime I used the BP pumps its spits its dummy out. Never had a problem on the usual Tesco pump I use.
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For the additional options you get I doubt it will be worth it, id imagine VW will pull your pants down on the cost of getting it fitted.
....I don't think it is worth the very high cost of changing from Mid to Highline. You can easily change settings via VAS or VCSD(VAGcom). I regretted not ordering Highline at first but not any longer.
Yeah, I agree with Robin. Whilst the highline IS handy, and is a real no-brainer if you are ordering a brand new car - most of its functions are usually just a 'set once and forget' affair. A mate with vag-com, or even most dealers are happy to tweak the same settings which the highine does for nowt - or a few beers, or a tip for the workshop tea-swindle at worst.
Are there many things you can customise? Any chance I could get a list of things that are adjustable, so I can decide whether there is anything I'd like to go to a dealer and have changed?
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For the additional options you get I doubt it will be worth it, id imagine VW will pull your pants down on the cost of getting it fitted.
....I don't think it is worth the very high cost of changing from Mid to Highline. You can easily change settings via VAS or VCSD(VAGcom). I regretted not ordering Highline at first but not any longer.
Yeah, I agree with Robin. Whilst the highline IS handy, and is a real no-brainer if you are ordering a brand new car - most of its functions are usually just a 'set once and forget' affair. A mate with vag-com, or even most dealers are happy to tweak the same settings which the highine does for nowt - or a few beers, or a tip for the workshop tea-swindle at worst.
Are there many things you can customise? Any chance I could get a list of things that are adjustable, so I can decide whether there is anything I'd like to go to a dealer and have changed?
Strewth - let me see if I can remember off the top of my head:
- Door locking - can set 'auto locking', 'auto unlocking', single door remote unlock (press the remote twice for all doors), all doors unlock
- Indicators - 'comfort' indicators on or off (comfort is three flashes for lane change if you ease the indicator stalk)
- Door mirror adjustment - synchro or individual adjustment
- Footwell lighting - change the brightness from between 0% to 100%
- Coming home & leaving home lighting - changes the individual time delay for operation
- Units of measurement - change between metric or imperial
- Language - change the language of the displays
- Display info detail - allows you to pick and choose weather to have one or two trip computers, and also which info is displayed
- TPMS - allows you to change settings for winter wheels (also allows a warning for lower speed limits when using space-saver spare or winter wheels)
- Speed limit warning - allows you to set an 'overspeed' alert
Think that is about all. I may have got some confused with my Audi - that has a lap timer too! :tongue:
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My bleedin problem is getting the damn fuel in there!!!! :angry:
It must click off 15 times trying to fill from empty! :cry:
Think I may have a problem.....
Not really. You have to lift out the nozzle so it is only just inside the filler neck, and then just gently squeeze the trigger - try to only sqeeze the trigger enough not to actually get it to click stop. But it does take an eternity. :embarassed:
Oh, some Total pumps have a higher delivery rate, and they can be a right mare! I generally don't even bother trying with them. And another 'oh' - some Tesco pumps have quite a short time duration before they automatically cut the power to the pump, so with some Tesco pumps, you may only be able to get say 5 litres in, before the pump 'times-out'.
But I've not had this problem with ANY of my recent cars - no problem with my BMW 5 series, 3 series or Mini Cooper, my MX5, my Leon Cupra, my Audi A4, any of the company cars I've borrowed etc etc And this is at the same local petrol stations where the pumps are still the same with the pump handle on full!
So it's either a design fault on the golf or mine is dodgy! :angry:
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FYI my midline has a speed limit warning function. What sort of person buys a 200bhp GTI and has a speed limit warning lol :D
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My bleedin problem is getting the damn fuel in there!!!! :angry:
It must click off 15 times trying to fill from empty! :cry:
Think I may have a problem.....
Not really. You have to lift out the nozzle so it is only just inside the filler neck, and then just gently squeeze the trigger - try to only sqeeze the trigger enough not to actually get it to click stop. But it does take an eternity. :embarassed:
Oh, some Total pumps have a higher delivery rate, and they can be a right mare! I generally don't even bother trying with them. And another 'oh' - some Tesco pumps have quite a short time duration before they automatically cut the power to the pump, so with some Tesco pumps, you may only be able to get say 5 litres in, before the pump 'times-out'.
But I've not had this problem with ANY of my recent cars - no problem with my BMW 5 series, 3 series or Mini Cooper, my MX5, my Leon Cupra, my Audi A4, any of the company cars I've borrowed etc etc And this is at the same local petrol stations where the pumps are still the same with the pump handle on full!
So it's either a design fault on the golf or mine is dodgy! :angry:
Read my posts again, correctly and fully!
I actually explained that it was just a simple design 'quirk' of some hatchbacks. I also went on to explain that some saloon cars don't appear to have the same design quirk, and I specifically highlighted that the Audi A4 does NOT share the Golf 'design feature'! :rolleyes:
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FYI my midline has a speed limit warning function. What sort of person buys a 200bhp GTI and has a speed limit warning lol :D
Probably those same peeps who own a GTI (or similar high performance car) - but never take the engine above 3,000rpm, 'because the engine might blow up' !!! :sick:
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Also, even when the display says I've got 0 miles left (after a countdown with the fuel pump symbol) I've had another 20 miles.
You might want to try a little experiment. Let us say you have been caning your car for the last half hour or so, giving it some serious beans - and you notice the fuel light come on at say 25 miles remaining - when that happens, then change your driving style to that of a granny (Driving Miss Daisy :wink:). What you should actually find is that the miles remaining will actually start to increase, and you may actually be able to get 40, 50 or even 60 miles - when previously the miles remaining said 25. This is because the trip computer constantly 'recalcualtes' the miles left based on your current driving style.
....Exactly this happened recently. So I've now completed this particular piece of homework! I realised at the time that it was possibly recalculating on-the-fly - All clever stuff and very helpful.
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Yeah, I can set the speed limit warning with my midline. I wonder how high you can set it - I must try setting it at 200kph for the craic.
Thanks a mil for the list T_T. Don't think there's really anything there I feel like changing. If I had the highline I'd probably mess with the settings until the novelty wore off, then put them back to default. I think my main issue with it is the appearance of the dash without it. It looks like it has half a display. It annoys me that VW don't make these kinds of simple, inexpensive options standard.
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Yeah, I can set the speed limit warning with my midline. I wonder how high you can set it - I must try setting it at 200kph for the craic.
But with the midline, you only get one speed warning, whereas with the highline, you get two (doncha, or am I thinking Audi again) - one is a set once and forget, and the other is a temporary journey specific setting (ie, when you remove the ignition key, the temporary set one is lost, but the permanent one still remains).
Thanks a mil for the list T_T. Don't think there's really anything there I feel like changing. If I had the highline I'd probably mess with the settings until the novelty wore off, then put them back to default. I think my main issue with it is the appearance of the dash without it. It looks like it has half a display. It annoys me that VW don't make these kinds of simple, inexpensive options standard.
There are actually some quite useful functions with the highline. One such example is the footwell lights. When we first got ours, I thought they were quite pants, cause I couldn't really see anything when it was dark (and I eat loads of carrots! :tongue:) - but when I fiddled with the settings, found that they were factory set to something like 70% brightness. A quick tweak, and my nocturnal footwell vision is again restored!
But I do agree. You would have thought that being as the GTI (when it was launched) was the 'top of the line' Golf, they would have at least finished it off with the £45 highline option. But that is Volkswagen UK for you (it is they who decide on the final spec for UK market cars). :rolleyes:
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VW Ireland too, I guess. Although they skimp on a lot more things besides!
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lol true, like not all GTIs have climate control ! :shocked:
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lol true, like not all GTIs have climate control ! :shocked:
All official UK GTIs should have 2zone climate control. :wink:
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Yeah, I was referring to the Irish ones of which many I have seen dont. He mentioned VW Ireland cut even more corners.
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I've recently discovered that mine actually has no air con at all! I thought basic aircon was standard on the GTI, even in Ireland, but it musn't have been in 2006 model year! Not that big of a deal for Ireland, but I thought it'd come in handy if I ever went on a driving holiday on the continent in the summer.
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Are you sure yours doesnt A/C ? I find that hard to believe.
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Are you sure yours doesnt A/C ? I find that hard to believe.
Yeah, it will have 'Climatic' - which is a semi automatic air con. Left rotary nob goes from 18 to 26, middle nob is a four speed fan, and the right nob is the distribution selector. Above the middle fan speed non should be three rectangular buttons, one for the heated rear window, another for the recirc function, and the lower larger one for the air con compressor (it might say either 'ECON' or 'A/C').
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Are you sure yours doesnt A/C ? I find that hard to believe.
Yeah, it will have 'Climatic' - which is a semi automatic air con. Left rotary nob goes from 18 to 26, middle nob is a four speed fan, and the right nob is the distribution selector. Above the middle fan speed non should be three rectangular buttons, one for the heated rear window, another for the recirc function, and the lower larger one for the air con compressor (it might say either 'ECON' or 'A/C').
That's what I was expecting to find, but nope. The left rotary knob has a blue dot on the left, red on the right and a little thermometer symbol at the top. No numbers (18,26) at all. And I only have two buttons above - one for rear screen and one for recirculation. How's that for poverty spec!!
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Are you sure yours doesnt A/C ? I find that hard to believe.
Yeah, it will have 'Climatic' - which is a semi automatic air con. Left rotary nob goes from 18 to 26, middle nob is a four speed fan, and the right nob is the distribution selector. Above the middle fan speed non should be three rectangular buttons, one for the heated rear window, another for the recirc function, and the lower larger one for the air con compressor (it might say either 'ECON' or 'A/C').
That's what I was expecting to find, but nope. The left rotary knob has a blue dot on the left, red on the right and a little thermometer symbol at the top. No numbers (18,26) at all. And I only have two buttons above - one for rear screen and one for recirculation. How's that for poverty spec!!
Jeeeeez, in the UK, even the bottom of the range poverty spec Golf S had the Climatic. :shocked: Are you sure yours ain't a Siberian import! :evil:
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Jeeeeez, in the UK, even the bottom of the range poverty spec Golf S had the Climatic. :shocked: Are you sure yours ain't a Siberian import! :evil:
....But with the Slavonic slave girl included with the Siberian import, you won't need climatic controls! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I reckon Siberian cars are fully loaded in comparison to Irish ones.
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Jeeeeez, in the UK, even the bottom of the range poverty spec Golf S had the Climatic. :shocked: Are you sure yours ain't a Siberian import! :evil:
....But with the Slavonic slave girl included with the Siberian import, you won't need climatic controls! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Are we speaking from experience? Do they pre-heat their whips? :evil:
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Jeeeeez, in the UK, even the bottom of the range poverty spec Golf S had the Climatic. :shocked: Are you sure yours ain't a Siberian import! :evil:
....But with the Slavonic slave girl included with the Siberian import, you won't need climatic controls! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Are we speaking from experience? Do they pre-heat their whips? :evil:
....My fantasies were more of cuddly fur wearing Slavonic Babes rather than dominatrix! But ETTO, T_T!! :shocked:
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My bleedin problem is getting the damn fuel in there!!!! :angry:
It must click off 15 times trying to fill from empty! :cry:
Think I may have a problem.....
Not really. You have to lift out the nozzle so it is only just inside the filler neck, and then just gently squeeze the trigger - try to only sqeeze the trigger enough not to actually get it to click stop. But it does take an eternity. :embarassed:
Oh, some Total pumps have a higher delivery rate, and they can be a right mare! I generally don't even bother trying with them. And another 'oh' - some Tesco pumps have quite a short time duration before they automatically cut the power to the pump, so with some Tesco pumps, you may only be able to get say 5 litres in, before the pump 'times-out'.
But I've not had this problem with ANY of my recent cars - no problem with my BMW 5 series, 3 series or Mini Cooper, my MX5, my Leon Cupra, my Audi A4, any of the company cars I've borrowed etc etc And this is at the same local petrol stations where the pumps are still the same with the pump handle on full!
So it's either a design fault on the golf or mine is dodgy! :angry:
Read my posts again, correctly and fully!
I actually explained that it was just a simple design 'quirk' of some hatchbacks. I also went on to explain that some saloon cars don't appear to have the same design quirk, and I specifically highlighted that the Audi A4 does NOT share the Golf 'design feature'! :rolleyes:
Sorry TT, but where did you write that about the simple quirks? - I can't find any posts on this thread mentioning that? And I'm not angry with you but with VW if it's a design feature! If so it's very poor.