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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: celica on 06 February 2009, 21:27
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sorry if this has been asked before, but not seen it in the search.
how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
performance and running costs etc.
personally would like edition 30, but restricted to budget.
i know the ed30 can be remapped to see areas of 300bhp, but is this not on the limit of FWD?
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You are pushing the limits of FWD on a remapped ED30. Iv got to say my remaped GTI is just brilliant. Lots of power and lots of fun. A GTI will map to 245 - 250. MPG really depends on how you drive, obviously the heavier the right foot the more petrol it will drink, and it i will drink more if you drive like a nutter all the time. There is a time and place for "making progress" so MPG isnt affected that much.
What sort of budget have you got?
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i know some of these questions don't go down well.
i'm sure the ed30 with the better internals, turbo etc. is the better car, and even at standard i'm sure it's alot more efficient in putting across the power, i.e. midrange kick etc.
as said if budget permitted would prefer to get the better option from standard.
just doing a bit of research, as looking for something with a bit more space in the near future, to replace my much loved 2003 audi tt 225 coupe quattro (so budget will be similar value to mine)
the mk5 golf form seems to fit the bill.
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i'm sure the ed30 with the better internals, turbo etc. is the better car, and even at standard i'm sure it's alot more efficient in putting across the power, i.e. midrange kick etc.
its not got 'better' internals, just a different layout to the K03 turbo'd engine, as far as value for money goes yes a std GTI would be the option to go for as alot of dealers/ private sellers etc are still playing off the fact that the ED30 is a special model and is worth alot more (according to some sales adverts ive seen). my std mk5 has a remap and a few extra gubbins that make the power delivery alot smoother and manageable, but its something thats going to cost alot more to get power gains out of in the long run than an ed30 which if you simply re-map then can achieve 260 - 280bhp which is still a managable power gain from a FWD car!
horses for courses i suppose!
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I think it tends to go
standard gti
standard ed30
remapped gti
remapped ed30
A remapped gti has much sharper throttle response than a standard ed30 with an extra 20-30 bhp depending on the map and alot more torque so it really shoves you in your seat. Remember an ed30 is a bit flat low down due to the bigger turbo as standard. I can only imagine what an animal a remapped ed30 is :smiley: I would say you need to remap both as they are both lacking in comparison to the remapped versions
Mpg is unaffected or better as you really dont need to rev it :smiley:
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thanks
i've read some of the figures from gti owners with bluefin and comes in near 230-240bhp which i similar to the ed30
good point on the ed30 possibly being flat low down due to bigger turbo, but then again my TT has a ko4
think a remapped gti would be great, but if keeping on a long term, the ed30 gives a bit more flexibility and option
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im toying with blue fin myself for my 2006 gti but not too sure also thinking revo in the back of my mind ohh decisions desicions :undecided:
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im toying with blue fin myself for my 2006 gti but not too sure also thinking revo in the back of my mind ohh decisions desicions :undecided:
or R-Tech remap which is cheaper then REVO and i expect (as im yet to get mine on the RR/ Dyno) achieves the same power gains!
oooooh the speculation of it all!
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I much preferred my remapped GTi to my standard ED30.It had a far smoother power delivery but then again, neither could match the fun factor of my E30 325i Sport.. :wink:
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get the ed 30 mate its a different animal all together !!!!!!
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In power delivery the standard GTI (or even the new Scirocco) tail off at around 5000 rpm. The Ed30 pulls harder past that rev point.
IMHO they are both great cars to drive.
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I would take into account what sort of driving you do.
If you do a lot of high speed motorway driving I think the ED30's K04 may be best - it has more high speed punch IMO.
If you don't do any motorway driving then the smaller (& remapped) standard GtI would probably be the quicker car due to the high torque (especially with REVO maps) achieved at lower revs.
But remember warranty & insurance etc....a standard ED30 certainly cost me a lot less to insure than a remapped GTi, and if the car is still under warranty there are no disputes with a standard ED30.
Are you after a DGS or manual ? that's another question though :laugh: :evil:
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Or to put a curved ball in, ED30 money buys you some seriously quick kit in todays depressed markets, ie Scoobies,Evos,M3's, just an alternative line, you are looking pound for pound a car 1 to 2 years older than an ED30, but if its accessable power you are looking for, there are some very good performance buys out there.
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sorry if this has been asked before, but not seen it in the search.
how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
performance and running costs etc.
personally would like edition 30, but restricted to budget.
i know the ed30 can be remapped to see areas of 300bhp, but is this not on the limit of FWD?
My Ed30 is running around 350-360bhp... its a happy bunny with not much wheel spin at all :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: BTW, the Quaife LSD helps a lot :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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its not got 'better' internals, just a different layout to the K03 turbo'd engine,
Sorry, but I'm not sure where you get this from. I've spoken to several VAG tuners now - like JKM and VWRacing who should know as they have official links to VW... they all say the same thing. That the Ed30 engine block is the same as the S3, only difference being the turbo and intercooler. Oh, VW Driver magazine concur too.
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I much preferred my remapped GTi to my standard ED30.It had a far smoother power delivery but then again, neither could match the fun factor of my E30 325i Sport.. :wink:
GTI and an E30 325? Evidently someone with good taste in cars :wink: Mine is very good at making circles in this weather :evil:
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its not got 'better' internals, just a different layout to the K03 turbo'd engine,
Sorry, but I'm not sure where you get this from. I've spoken to several VAG tuners now - like JKM and VWRacing who should know as they have official links to VW... they all say the same thing. That the Ed30 engine block is the same as the S3, only difference being the turbo and intercooler. Oh, VW Driver magazine concur too.
uuuugh! what??? i never mentioned anything about the engine block!?!? :laugh:
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I much preferred my remapped GTi to my standard ED30.It had a far smoother power delivery but then again, neither could match the fun factor of my E30 325i Sport.. :wink:
GTI and an E30 325? Evidently someone with good taste in cars :wink: Mine is very good at making circles in this weather :evil:
The 325 sport was no match for the ED30 I've had both and the golf is a far better and faster car :wink:
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I much preferred my remapped GTi to my standard ED30.It had a far smoother power delivery but then again, neither could match the fun factor of my E30 325i Sport.. :wink:
why not map your ed30?
think i would like to own a dsg
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I much preferred my remapped GTi to my standard ED30.It had a far smoother power delivery but then again, neither could match the fun factor of my E30 325i Sport.. :wink:
GTI and an E30 325? Evidently someone with good taste in cars :wink: Mine is very good at making circles in this weather :evil:
The 325 sport was no match for the ED30 I've had both and the golf is a far better and faster car :wink:
Yeah, but everyone just seems to love off the E30. They are great cars but I just cant get my head around the 80s looks :sick:
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I much preferred my remapped GTi to my standard ED30.It had a far smoother power delivery but then again, neither could match the fun factor of my E30 325i Sport.. :wink:
GTI and an E30 325? Evidently someone with good taste in cars :wink: Mine is very good at making circles in this weather :evil:
The 325 sport was no match for the ED30 I've had both and the golf is a far better and faster car :wink:
Yeah, but everyone just seems to love off the E30. They are great cars but I just cant get my head around the 80s looks :sick:
You'd be suprised how many people say that they are the last of the proper shape BMWs.
The Golf is far better in all respects, of course 20+ years separate them. But the E30 is a different kind of experince, with the straight six howl and the power going to the correct end, I must admit it's the one I take when I just want a blast around the place. The GTI seems too capable in comparison, and as a result just a little sterile. :wink:
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Slightly off topic - but does a remap shorten the life of the car, since its stressing the car a little more? I mean, are components more likely to fail etc??
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In theory yes.
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Absolutely yes, but not to the point that you should be concerned. In the original design, of any engine, a compromise of performance/longevity has to be made. A remap will lean the compromise more to the performance side of things. Extra strain on the drivetrain puts more stress on the clutch in particular - but that is considered a servicable item anyway and isn't expected to last the life of the car.
To put some real numbers to the matter for you, my last car was standard until 60k miles. It was then remapped and modified in other ways to increase the power to about 70bhp above standard. The clutch -just- started slipping under heavy load in high gears a week or two before I sold it with 130k miles on the clock. I had no other engine issues (not related to the remap anyway) for those 70k miles of driving pleasure.
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You'd be suprised how many people say that they are the last of the proper shape BMWs.
I completely agree. It's from an era where you could tell the make of a car from it's shape. Everything has become so much more generic these days, partly because of H&S.
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My previous car was a straight-six 1989 Beemer, 2-door, tiny back seat and tiny boot, but an awesome exhaust sound and didn't need modding. Fond memories and was sold privately to an enthusiast.
Standard Ed30 vs remapped GTI? - There's no doubt that the K04 turbo delivers more strongly at higher revs/speeds but although I much prefer the colour coded bodywork I love the Monza design and I'm not keen on the fussy red stitching. Having said that, I'd probably have bought the Ed30 if it had been available when my GTI was, but then I would say the same about the Mk5 R32 - I'd have gone for that V6 zorst music!
Bottom line is that they are all excellent variants of an excellent car. IMO
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
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You'd be suprised how many people say that they are the last of the proper shape BMWs.
I completely agree. It's from an era where you could tell the make of a car from it's shape. Everything has become so much more generic these days, partly because of H&S.
An E30 M3 will feature in my life pretty soon. I'll probably have one more year out of the Mk5 and then either start another restoration project with a Mk2 G60 or get a sorted E30 M3. The M3 will fulfill a boyhood dream watching Johnny Cecotto race these things so I'm leaning towards that.
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
I'm not so sure about that. The ko3 is capable of up to 280 bhp and holds quite well to the redline. So a normal remapped ko3 has lots more potential left in the turbo. It's turbo isn't maxed out so why would a normal remapped one run out of steam so easily?. My car is running 288bhp and still running over 270bhp at the redline. If you look at some of the JKM graphs showing standard ED30 bhp and normal GTI remapped bhp they hold to the redline just as good.
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
Out of interest did anyone run their cars against an R32?
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
Out of interest did anyone run their cars against an R32?
I might take my wife's R32 next time - along with the Ed30 :wink: I think the low mileage on the R32 will have a negative impact on the times as the engine is notoriousl tight at low mileages - my wife's R32 has done 3000 miles.
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Out of interest did anyone run their cars against an R32?
I did :evil:
Rupo off the R32OC went up against me, bloomin' fast off the mark those R32's :grin:
However I did give a big smile to him as I passed him about halfway down the strip :evil:
The time slip is below and I'm on the right.....please ignore my embarrasing 60' time :embarassed:
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Was that stock??
14secs doesnt appear to be a bad time if it is. I thought just under 15 is what you would expect from a std R32 :huh:
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Was that stock??
I think Rupo has quite a few mods :
Schrick Cams - Milltek NON-RES - Bored out fuel inlet - Remap - Pipercross CAI - Haldex Controller (race) - Bilstien PSS9 Coilovers - Braided hoses - 19' Lambo Wheels - Carbon Bonnet - Alloy mirrors
He managed a 13.866 in a manual R32 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLqbaA8M-58
sounds pretty loud too, eh ? :laugh: :evil: :evil:
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you should hear it on a dyno .. i made a sexwee :lipsrsealed:
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Oh yes, I must admit Rupo's car did sound brilliant up close and personal at full chat :cool:
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: ask phil mc :laugh:
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: ask phil mc :laugh:
joe doesnt realise that if i was using full launch control, he would of been toast :wink:. Bring on the spring joe!
Joking aside......
Both a remapped GTi with lots of mods against a standard ED30 dsg were clocking same times within a tenth of a second of each other.And terminal speeds were the same too. So the answer is pretty much the same BUT will depend of state of tune.A couple of remapped GTi's were alot slower down the recent quarter mile run at Santa Pod raceway, but one that was lightened by alot (joes) shall we say and near stage 2 was the same as my standard ed30.
In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits
The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother :wink: If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine :smiley:
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hey, i also have launch control, its called my feet :laugh: :evil:
to be fair it wasnt best conditions for it so we shall see next time. whats happening in spring?? have i missed a thred :embarassed: come spring time il only be hpfp off stage 2 as luca has let me have his downpipe :rolleyes: still fancy it? :evil:
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Yeah why not, will be fun, i dont mind loosing properly!
GTi spring fest joe :smiley:
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Game on!
Obviously it depends, as Phil says, on the degree of tuning and modding, but I'd venture to say that an Ed30 is easily as fast as a Stage1 GTI.
With Joe's degree of mods he's now doing, we'll never see a level playing field on that score.
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The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother :wink:
Which is exactly why I have retained the older Superchips Edition 30 DSG remap on my Golf .... their newer map is far quicker but it is also far more difficult to deploy that extra power through the rev range ....
The older map is very good at deploying the extra grunt as until about 4K rpm it is only say 20bhp up on standard .... thereafter it goes up to nearly 300bhp but you can use the power far more easily than the more powerful map.
When the summer comes though I am sure I will try the newer map again :laugh:
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In other words, the bottom line is driveability.
The more power you seek in your GTI/Ed30, the more ££££ you will need to spend on further mods and more risk of erosion of reliability etc. (IMO).
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The more power you seek in your GTI/Ed30, the more ££££ you will need to spend on further mods and more risk of erosion of reliability etc. (IMO).
Couldnt have put it better. Its chasing the never ending Numbers, to the point of driveability goes out the window, and Reliability as robin has said :smiley:
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Just following on from the power/driveability theme, I've not had my standard GTi remapped yet. I'm hoping that a Revo/APR stage one remap will be more focused on smoothing out the power and giving a bit more torque. Not really interested in getting big numbers, would rather get driveability and a little more power.
On that basis, any tips on who I should be looking at to get it done in the northwest?
Cheers
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Revo in my opinion, with the select switch imo.
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Nice one Phil, that was what I was thinking. I know ADS in Preston do Revo so am thinking of getting it done there.
As it's the only car in the household, I don't want it to be too savage when the Mrs is driving. Hard enough to get the £500 spend past her without turning the car she loves in to an animal that she can't stop wheel spinning!
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Just following on from the power/driveability theme, I've not had my standard GTi remapped yet. I'm hoping that a Revo/APR stage one remap will be more focused on smoothing out the power and giving a bit more torque. Not really interested in getting big numbers, would rather get driveability and a little more power.
On that basis, any tips on who I should be looking at to get it done in the northwest?
Cheers
our resident mapping guru r-tech is the man to call, will give you a map to run how you want it. just check out the responses from the mk4 owners.
satisfaction guaranteed :wink:
and a lot cheaper :smiley:
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phil, cant do spring fest, just seen the dates and im in switzerland snowboarding :laugh:
u not doing UD?
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Just following on from the power/driveability theme, I've not had my standard GTi remapped yet. I'm hoping that a Revo/APR stage one remap will be more focused on smoothing out the power and giving a bit more torque. Not really interested in getting big numbers, would rather get driveability and a little more power.
On that basis, any tips on who I should be looking at to get it done in the northwest?
Cheers
our resident mapping guru r-tech is the man to call, will give you a map to run how you want it. just check out the responses from the mk4 owners.
satisfaction guaranteed :wink:
and a lot cheaper :smiley:
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Cookie has had his MKV remapped by Nick and is more than impressed - i've had a quick blast too and it don't half shift :cool:
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Cheers lads, is it worth just PMingr-tech then?
Whereabouts is he located? What are we talking price wise?
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Cheers lads, is it worth just PMingr-tech then?
Whereabouts is he located? What are we talking price wise?
Nick is based in Hinkley, Leceistershire but provides a fully mobile service
I'd ring him if you want a quick answer - if he doesn't answer he'll ring you back fairly quickly :smiley:
Cookie had his as part of a special offer so it cost him £200 i think. He's definietely cheaper than Revo :wink:
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I've also had mine remapped by Nick and Ben from R-Tech and am a happy bunny :)
They seem to offer a better service than everyone else for a cheaper price. I had mine done as part of a group remap session so my price will be irrelevant. Send Nick a PM or phone him up and have a talk. They are based in Leicestershire but travel all over the country to do a remap, they come to you.
http://www.bigbhp.co.uk/
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http://www.bigbhp.co.uk/
it's http://www.r-techpower.co.uk/ now
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^ Thanks for the correction.
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Excellent responses as always guys.
Cheers
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Excellent responses as always guys.
Cheers
In responce ask this guy if he does a select switch so the wife can turn off/on the map is the powers too much etc.
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phil, cant do spring fest, just seen the dates and im in switzerland snowboarding :laugh:
u not doing UD?
When are where is that mate?
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Excellent responses as always guys.
Cheers
In responce ask this guy if he does a select switch so the wife can turn off/on the map is the powers too much etc.
He does the Alientech Powergate unit which will come with a standard map and his own map :wink:
i believe it also doubles as a fault code reader too :nerd:
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Revo are alot better with aftersales to be honest, Your Vehical is your own and if it goes Bang then good luck with trying to settle with him, or Rtech or whoever he is. Who produces their maps??? superchips?? more then likely.
Revo have been doing this for years and personally with my 15k's worth of metal, i wouldnt want to chance it. but ETTO. i know Dan (cookiemonster) had his done but he chose too.Hes done a few Vw's, but in comparision to Bluefin or Revo...... buttons.
Its your decision ultimately, but bear it in mind. To save a few quid just because its cheaper , like buying a can of beans, eat the value stuff or have the peace of mind with a fully researched map, and eat the real heinz!
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Revo are alot better with aftersales to be honest, then this guy is a one man show afterall you pay for what you get.Your Vehical is your own and if it goes Bang then good luck with trying to settle with him.
Revo have been doing this for years and personally with my 15k's worth of metal, i wouldnt want to chance it. but ETTO. i know Dan (cookiemonster) had his done but he chose too.
Its your decision ultimately, but bear it in mind.
bollox and for what its worth i'm talking about my own personal experience - I've had my car mapped by Nick and if i've had a question or query he has ALWAYS responded and i know if i ever had a problem he's on the other end of the line.
Nick has been doing this for a number of years himself and has plenty of experience and has logged many hours on both the rolling road and the REAL road testing his software to enure its some of the smoothest around
How many tuners spend at least an hour or two checking over the car BEFORE putting a map on??
Even if people aren't happy with the map or it shows up a problem (which remaps will do if you have an underlying problem with the car but a lot of people tend to forget that point) Nick will always offer to remove the map and or help diagnose the problem :smiley:
And as Vaughan has already pointed out - look how many MK4 owners have been more than happy with the level of service provided by Nick (and Ben)
But the choice is yours
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REVO maps are good.
RTech maps are good.
If your engine goes bang no company will take responsibility and swallow the cost, the maps are set to run within safe margins so if the worst ever happens it'll more likely be a fault somewhere else with the car. The advantage of RTech in this case would be that they do data logging runs before/during/after to make sure it's all healthy, rather than just flashing a generic map and sending you on your way.
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exactly rhyso, your own opinion and experiance, and thats why Rtech have done a few people on here, and Revo have done no doubt hundreds of mk5's!!.
Would you go with a well tried and tested map, or one that will save you a few quid thats untried. I personally value my manufactures 3 year warranty before mapping, when times up, then id go with 70% of what other people have tried and tested rather then 1 or 2 good experiances from Rtech.
Who does he gets his maps from??
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REVO maps are good.
RTech maps are good.
If your engine goes bang no company will take responsibility and swallow the cost, the maps are set to run within safe margins so if the worst ever happens it'll more likely be a fault somewhere else with the car. The advantage of RTech in this case would be that they do data logging runs before/during/after to make sure it's all healthy, rather than just flashing a generic map and sending you on your way.
2 Revo dealers ive dealt with dont just load it and send you on your way. Im not mentioning companys names because i try not to big up any individual company as has been said already.
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exactly rhyso, your own opinion and experiance, and thats why Rtech have done a few people on here, and Revo have done no doubt hundreds of mk5's!!.
Would you go with a well tried and tested map, or one that will save you a few quid thats untried. I personally value my manufactures 3 year warranty before mapping, when times up, then id go with 70% of what other people have tried and tested rather then 1 or 2 good experiances from Rtech.
Who does he gets his maps from??
i'd go based on recommendations and by testing other people's cars - NOT just because they are a big name and have a large advertising budget. At the end of the day the big boys have dealers and your service is only as good as your dealer
as for his maps same question can be asked about REVO and or any of the tuners :lipsrsealed: i'd do a little more research :wink:
its what he does with the maps that make the difference :wink:
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REVO maps are good.
RTech maps are good.
If your engine goes bang no company will take responsibility and swallow the cost, the maps are set to run within safe margins so if the worst ever happens it'll more likely be a fault somewhere else with the car. The advantage of RTech in this case would be that they do data logging runs before/during/after to make sure it's all healthy, rather than just flashing a generic map and sending you on your way.
2 Revo dealers ive dealt with dont just load it and send you on your way. Im not mentioning companys names because i try not to big up any individual company as has been said already.
Can't have been that good if they still didn't convince you to remap yours :tongue: That's the way it should be though, but a lot of the resellers just don't have the facilities or budget to do that. My biggest issue with companies like that is some of them use the revo to get the customer in the door and see a walking chequebook and tell them "well you really need this, and that would be good for your car too" and that's why they get the silver service.. especially if they aren't too clued up technically and have a nice expensive new car.
as for base maps, I believe he used to get them from DNA but recently switched to a German supplier.. although I doubt that info will be of any use.
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I'm not trashing R-Tech but just pointing out that Revo's appointed tuner JKM for example, do extensive data-logging and checking your car before the remap and use their Dyno-Dynamics rollers as just part of the process including going out on the road.
Regardless of name, I wouldn't want any tuner who didn't do those things. My VW dealer now has a Revo man on their staff - Even better!
As Rhyso says, aftersales care is extremely important but having spent more than a year researching tuners I chose Revo and wouldn't touch a small tuner who wouldn't have the support network. To be fair I don't know about R-tech.
A few guys on an internet forum recommending it doesn't cut it for me - I'd also want to drive it.
JKM are 2.0T FSI specialists in Portsmouth but Revo HQ would inform about good agents locally.
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TBH, you can have issues with any tuner...I know from personal experience in the past.
The larger tuner have extensive development invested in their product, but that isn't to say that smaller tuning companies can't be just as good.
The thing is people will always recommend from personal experience and recommendations of satisfied customers..that's just the way it is. If you find a tuner you are happy with, all the better, you just have to have faith that they are as good as they purport to be and don't have hidden software glitches in their maps that could ultimately damage the car. :nerd:
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TBH, you can have issues with any tuner...I know from personal experience in the past.
The larger tuner have extensive development invested in their product, but that isn't to say that smaller tuning companies can't be just as good.
The thing is people will always recommend from personal experience and recommendations of satisfied customers..that's just the way it is. If you find a tuner you are happy with, all the better, you just have to have faith that they are as good as they purport to be and don't have hidden software glitches in their maps that could ultimately damage the car. :nerd:
....There speaks a wise and experienced man.
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TBH, you can have issues with any tuner...I know from personal experience in the past.
The larger tuner have extensive development invested in their product, but that isn't to say that smaller tuning companies can't be just as good.
Sometimes, yes, othertimes not true. There are two certain 'tuners' (one beginging with 'S', and the other begining with 'C') who are undobtedly 'large' - but unfortunately - they are actually way too large to offer any real, dedicated VAG in-depth R&D when it comes to remaps - and this has been proven on numerous occasions.
OK, it is well known that Revo could also be classed as a 'large company' - but the beauty about Revo is that they mainly dedicate their R&D soley on VAG marques. But just because someone like, say, R-Tech may appear to be a 'small' company - what is absolutely clear is that they too are dedicated to the VAG marques too (OK, they also do Fiat and BMW - but I don't think they spread their wings no where near as wide as some of the other 'large tuners'). They also have some very tasty 4WD rolling roads - which are very rare, and are not found say in Portsmouth! :smug:
The thing is people will always recommend from personal experience and recommendations of satisfied customers..that's just the way it is. If you find a tuner you are happy with, all the better, you just have to have faith that they are as good as they purport to be and don't have hidden software glitches in their maps that could ultimately damage the car. :nerd:
OK, two issues. Firstly, yes, I basically agree with what you say, and recommendations can indeed be very important.
But my second, and more crucial concern actually addresses certain 'individuals' who state these recommendations. Some of these may actually be - well - dare I say it - more than a little gullible - and wouldn't actually know the truth even if someone was BSing them. These types can actually recommend a product or service, when they personally believe it is good. However, when alternative POV come to light, these same peeps seem to have great difficulty in shifting their own opinion - and adamantly continue to 'recommend' even after conflicting evidence is bought to light!
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What can any of us do, including yourself of course, but recommend what we believe to be true. I think this was one of the points made by Hurdy in his post.
It would be exceedingly tedious for us all to write "In My Opinion" in every single post - Surely that's taken for granted.
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how can mk4 owners give good or better advise to mk5 owners about remaps than mk5 owners? r-tech are sponsers of this site, they are gods in some peoples eyes. i have a cheap re-map on mine and it works very well with my mods as was shown at santa pod, but if i could go back in time and if i had researched it better i would have gone with revo, without question.
Phil UD is ultimate dubs, its on the mk5 forum, theres quite alot of us going down (or up for you) :tongue:
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The advantage of RTech in this case would be that they do data logging runs before/during/after to make sure it's all healthy, rather than just flashing a generic map and sending you on your way.
Thats not an Advantage of RTech per se as it depends on which Revo dealer you go to. I'm sure there are some dealers who just slap it on and send you on your way, but there are excellent ones in reach no matter where you live who also spend time on your car before and after a map, change adjustable parameters on the Revo map to suit your car and who also have a rolling road which shows exactly what you've got. BTW I've got nothing against Nick who I've heard nothing but good about on this forum, but if it was my car, I'd go with Revo or another major vendor anyday.
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Just been to the forum R-Tech have started as a marketing tool and I have to say I'm impressed after reading the comments... but as Hurdy says, if you find a tuner you're happy with then you'ill probably stay with them and I've got no complaints against Revo or JKM who have been excellent... 5000 miles and counting.
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But my second, and more crucial concern actually addresses certain 'individuals' who state these recommendations. Some of these may actually be - well - dare I say it - more than a little gullible - and wouldn't actually know the truth even if someone was BSing them. These types can actually recommend a product or service, when they personally believe it is good. However, when alternative POV come to light, these same peeps seem to have great difficulty in shifting their own opinion - and adamantly continue to 'recommend' even after conflicting evidence is bought to light!
....Funny you should say that - I had an open mind until sometime proclaiming themself as an expert was very vocal on here, often with much vitriol, about how bad a certain tuner whose name begins with 'S' was (and also certain other motorsport businesses). I believed him until my own experiences showed me otherwise and I consequently changed my POV. I also changed my POV about that person's 'expert' advice generally.
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how can mk4 owners give good or better advise to mk5 owners about remaps than mk5 owners? r-tech are sponsers of this site, they are gods in some peoples eyes. i have a cheap re-map on mine and it works very well with my mods as was shown at santa pod, but if i could go back in time and if i had researched it better i would have gone with revo, without question.
I think it's more the fact that the mk4 owners have been using these 'branded' tuning companies for years and have a wealth of experience with tuning of F.I VAG engines. Obviously not MK5's, but their experience is not to be sniffed at, since these are the people that are dealing with the issues occurring several years down the line.
Some people however only seem to take notice of advice from those who end all their statements with the word FACT! :grin:
For the record, rtech were allowed to be sponsors BECAUSE of the glowing feedback and customer reports, not the other way round. I even paid them a visit personally to check them out before allowing them anywhere near the site.
Anywho this appears to be going in the wrong direction. As much fun as 'which remap is best' discussions are, they're rarely conclusive (for the reasons stated by several people above) and we're already off-topic enough :tongue:
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I'm sure there are some dealers who just slap it on and send you on your way, but there are excellent ones in reach no matter where you live who also spend time on your car before and after a map, change adjustable parameters on the Revo map to suit your car and who also have a rolling road which shows exactly what you've got.
Not 100% true - i think my nearest Revo dealer is over 100 miles away so going back and forth to them if i had Revo and a problem would be a major ballache
how can mk4 owners give good or better advise to mk5 owners about remaps than mk5 owners? r-tech are sponsers of this site, they are gods in some peoples eyes. i have a cheap re-map on mine and it works very well with my mods as was shown at santa pod, but if i could go back in time and if i had researched it better i would have gone with revo, without question.
a guy asked a question about who we would recommend to get his car remapped that's all.......
If Revo are so popular how come there are very few members on here with a Revo remap.........
Also whats to say you'd like the Revo remap better than your current one? :huh:
EDIT - just seen Topher's post lol :lipsrsealed: :laugh:
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: ask phil mc :laugh:
In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits
The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother :wink: If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine :smiley:
Using the fastest standard Ed30 (with DSG) time against one of the slowest Ed30 times is hardly a fair comparison Steve.. :rolleyes:
For a fairer comparison...
Fastest standard ED30 DSG = 14.7 @ 96mph
Fastest "remapped 300+ stage 2" ED30 DSG = 13.2 @ 111mph.
Which is a fair sized gap mate, just a shame we never got to see what it would of looked like on the strip.. :grin: Yeah some of the modded Ed30 guys struggled with traction, which going by the conditons and being most peeps first time on the strip, was hardly suprising. But there was others that started to get the hang of it in the end as well as me (Neil M, Steve, Jonny C etc)
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If Revo are so popular how come there are very few members on here with a Revo remap.........
....Across all Mk5 forums I think you'll find that the majority have Revo, followed by Superchips.
Whichever the remap I think we've already established that a remapped GTI fairs pretty well against a standard Ed30 (the original poster's question). In other words, they're pretty equal if just a Stage1 remap.
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Hi, first post on here though I've been lurking for a while.
No-one seems to talk about e-maps, is there a reason for this?
My Mk5 DSG has an e-maps remap supposedly giving me about 250 hp and feels fantastic.
I paid £375 which seemed cheap compared to some and Simon came to me (and has reflashed once since free)
Think there's are Oettinger maps, is that right and if so are they considered good?
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Oettinger have a long and unrivalled heritage when it comes to VAG tuning, but got into financial trouble a couple of years back I think. APR from the USA bought them and from what I know, the APR remap isn't much different from the Oettinger remap, if not the same, although I would have thought differences would at least exist to allow for the rubbish fuel in the USA. If the e-map is based on or is the Oettinger remap, then I'd say its a good base to start with. However, I think the experience and know-how of the person applying and tweaking the map is equally as important. Your e-map might feel fantastic - and maybe it is a very good map and I can't say either way - but you never know whats going on underneath the bonnet and what the long-term effects will be, which is why I went to an established and very experienced tuner like Revo.
My own experience is with Revo, but I'd say that APR, Oettinger, GIAC and Superchips are on a similar level. There are other reputable, but not so well known (which doesn't mean they are inferior) smaller tuners like AMD, R-Tech and VWR who also provide remaps. R-Tech have a very good reputation on this forum and are one of its sponsors, while I have personally driven the VWR demo car and can attest to its superb remap which is used on the offical VW Racing track cars - I think VWR are the only offically permitted producers of Scirocco track cars for VW motorsport use, so they're pretty good too.
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What can any of us do, including yourself of course, but recommend what we believe to be true. I think this was one of the points made by Hurdy in his post.
I don't have a problem with that above comment at all - and I think you know full well that that is the case. :smiley: What I AM concerned about, is when someone has been provided categorical proof which - for whatever reason - somehow doesn't sit entirely true with the 'belief' of that original person. But that person still contiunues to spout the same old BS. Your "VWR Quaife diff" is a classic example!
It would be exceedingly tedious for us all to write "In My Opinion" in every single post - Surely that's taken for granted.
Not always - and what is so tedious about typing IMHO ??? It is no more tedious than your "^^^^", or your ". . . . ." which you start you posts with! :wink:
Anyhow, we are all getting a little picky, and making mountains out of molehils. :smiley:
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The advantage of RTech in this case would be that they do data logging runs before/during/after to make sure it's all healthy, rather than just flashing a generic map and sending you on your way.
Thats not an Advantage of RTech per se as it depends on which Revo dealer you go to. I'm sure there are some dealers who just slap it on and send you on your way, but there are excellent ones in reach no matter where you live who also spend time on your car before and after a map, change adjustable parameters on the Revo map to suit your car and who also have a rolling road which shows exactly what you've got. BTW I've got nothing against Nick who I've heard nothing but good about on this forum, but if it was my car, I'd go with Revo or another major vendor anyday.
And isn't the above the ONLY way which Superchips works! :wink:
But yes, I basically agree - there are some tuners who do 'all the right things' before applying the remap, and there are others who don't - and sadly, these can occur irrespective of whos' software they are using.
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But my second, and more crucial concern actually addresses certain 'individuals' who state these recommendations. Some of these may actually be - well - dare I say it - more than a little gullible - and wouldn't actually know the truth even if someone was BSing them. These types can actually recommend a product or service, when they personally believe it is good. However, when alternative POV come to light, these same peeps seem to have great difficulty in shifting their own opinion - and adamantly continue to 'recommend' even after conflicting evidence is bought to light!
....Funny you should say that - I had an open mind until sometime proclaiming themself as an expert was very vocal on here, often with much vitriol, about how bad a certain tuner whose name begins with 'S' was (and also certain other motorsport businesses). I believed him until my own experiences showed me otherwise and I consequently changed my POV. I also changed my POV about that person's 'expert' advice generally.
And who might that be?
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Hi, first post on here though I've been lurking for a while.
Welcome to the forum then! :wink: :smiley: :afro:
No-one seems to talk about e-maps, is there a reason for this?
My Mk5 DSG has an e-maps remap supposedly giving me about 250 hp and feels fantastic.
I paid £375 which seemed cheap compared to some and Simon came to me (and has reflashed once since free)
I've never heard of them. Got a link? How did you first find out about them?
Think there's are Oettinger maps, is that right and if so are they considered good?
Oettinger have always been very highly regarded, and are one of the few VAG-only tuners. Unfortunately, they have never really been marketed very well in the UK, and (I think) RSD were probably their only agent here in Blighty.
There are also other highly regarded VAG-only tuners too, which include MTM, Abt, APR, B&B, Dahlbäck Racing - and probably a few more besides - with MTM arguably being at the top of the proverbial tree.
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What can any of us do, including yourself of course, but recommend what we believe to be true. I think this was one of the points made by Hurdy in his post.
I don't have a problem with that above comment at all - and I think you know full well that that is the case. :smiley: What I AM concerned about, is when someone has been provided categorical proof which - for whatever reason - somehow doesn't sit entirely true with the 'belief' of that original person. But that person still contiunues to spout the same old BS. Your "VWR Quaife diff" is a classic example!
....I later posted that I had made a mistake in my understanding about the Quaife which VWR use and I edited all those posts which I was able to access. Keep up, T_T! :grin:
It would be exceedingly tedious for us all to write "In My Opinion" in every single post - Surely that's taken for granted.
Not always - and what is so tedious about typing IMHO ??? It is no more tedious than your "^^^^", or your ". . . . ." which you start you posts with! :wink:
Anyhow, we are all getting a little picky, and making mountains out of molehils. :smiley:
....Agreed - That is getting far too picky. My use of "^^^^" is invariably to communicate to the reader that I am referring to the previous post without it always being necessary to insert a full quotation. "IMHO" is common to every single post on every single car forum (unless the poster is intentionally lying!) - Therefore it goes without repeating everytime.
I use "...." to drop the first line in the layout - It's because professional typography/layout is hardwired in me. If you don't like it, I'm afraid that's just tough. :smiley:
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Oettinger have a long and unrivalled heritage when it comes to VAG tuning, but got into financial trouble a couple of years back I think. APR from the USA bought them and from what I know,
Really! :huh: :huh: :huh: They are still listed as a German private company (GmbH - which is equvalent to a UK 'Limited' company), trading under German law (Bad Homburg)?
the APR remap isn't much different from the Oettinger remap, if not the same, although I would have thought differences would at least exist to allow for the rubbish fuel in the USA.
I think all the APR products for the Mk5 are simply 'rebadged' Oettinger products - their intercooler is a classic example.
If the e-map is based on or is the Oettinger remap, then I'd say its a good base to start with. However, I think the experience and know-how of the person applying and tweaking the map is equally as important. Your e-map might feel fantastic - and maybe it is a very good map and I can't say either way - but you never know whats going on underneath the bonnet and what the long-term effects will be, which is why I went to an established and very experienced tuner like Revo.
I fully agree. I would personally think it is vital. :wink: :smiley:
There are far too many people who can now simply purchase a load of 'generic' maps from a non-descript German, Dutch or wherever software 'tuning company' - and then simply re-sell them as though they were their own work. Some of these resellers will even tweak the maps further themselves, and neither the target car, nor any development car has never even had a sniff at a rolling road. Which is why I too would prefer to use a more 'established' tuner, but equally as important, a tuner who has proven relevent experience on your own particular engine.
So, whilst Nick at R-Tech does indeed have very good reviews, his 'knowledge base' seems to be mainly centred on the 1.8 20vT and the 1.9TDI - and he seems to have little experience of any FSI engine, be that the 2.0 TFSI, or any of the Audi V6 or V8 FSI engines. So unfortunatley, neither my GTI nor my RS4 won't be remaped by Nick - which is sad, because he really does seem to be one of the rare breed of genuine guys out there. :cry:
My own experience is with Revo, but I'd say that APR, Oettinger, GIAC and Superchips are on a similar level.
In what way?
There is absolutely no way that Superchips could EVER be described as a 'VAG specialist' - and this was highlighted on a Fifth Gear test a little while back - where Superchips failed miserably.
And whilst GIAC are a VAG specialist, and they have been shown to make very good power, there is still the concern that they do not have access to 'European' maps, and so have no real in-depth knowledge of the 'stratified' fuel delivery mode.
There are other reputable, but not so well known (which doesn't mean they are inferior) smaller tuners like AMD, R-Tech and VWR who also provide remaps.
Agreed again. But the trouble with these lesser known or smaller tuners - is simply how do they stack up in the long hall. And regarding 'motorsport' companies (and I am NOT singling out just VWR here), I would very strongly suggest that a 'motorsport' map is not at all suitable for a 'road car', for a whole variety of reasons.
I have personally driven the VWR demo car and can attest to its superb remap which is used on the offical VW Racing track cars - I think VWR are the only offically permitted producers of Scirocco track cars for VW motorsport use, so they're pretty good too.
Without dragging up old stuff again, I would strongly doubt that VWR are the only official company allowed to provide their services! :wink:
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What can any of us do, including yourself of course, but recommend what we believe to be true. I think this was one of the points made by Hurdy in his post.
I don't have a problem with that above comment at all - and I think you know full well that that is the case. :smiley: What I AM concerned about, is when someone has been provided categorical proof which - for whatever reason - somehow doesn't sit entirely true with the 'belief' of that original person. But that person still contiunues to spout the same old BS. Your "VWR Quaife diff" is a classic example!
....I later posted that I had made a mistake in my understanding about the Quaife which VWR use and I edited all those posts which I was able to access. Keep up, T_T! :grin:
But you still have it in your sig! :tongue: :tongue: :grin: :kiss:
But, yes, you are correct, in that you did 'correct' your misunderstanding, and I have to fess up that I had forgoten that crucial little oversight on my personal behalf! :embarassed: Anyhow, lets keep the peace, and keep it friendly, even if we do disagree. :kiss: :smiley:
It would be exceedingly tedious for us all to write "In My Opinion" in every single post - Surely that's taken for granted.
Not always - and what is so tedious about typing IMHO ??? It is no more tedious than your "^^^^", or your ". . . . ." which you start you posts with! :wink:
Anyhow, we are all getting a little picky, and making mountains out of molehils. :smiley:
....Agreed - That is getting far too picky. My use of "^^^^" is invariably to communicate to the reader that I am referring to the previous post without it always being necessary to insert a full quotation. "IMHO" is common to every single post on every single car forum (unless the poster is intentionally lying!) - Therefore it goes without repeating everytime.
I use "...." to drop the first line in the layout - It's because professional typography/layout is hardwired in me. If you don't like it, I'm afraid that's just tough. :smiley:
Ohhh, sh!t, I didn't mean to say I didn't like the way you post, or you pagination or what ever - I was simply trying to use it as an example. Sorry for any misunderstanding! :embarassed:
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Ooops!! Thanks for pointing out my sig needed updating about the Quaife, T_T! I missed that one but have updated elsewhere.
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Hi, first post on here though I've been lurking for a while.
Welcome to the forum then! :wink: :smiley: :afro:
No-one seems to talk about e-maps, is there a reason for this?
My Mk5 DSG has an e-maps remap supposedly giving me about 250 hp and feels fantastic.
I paid £375 which seemed cheap compared to some and Simon came to me (and has reflashed once since free)
I've never heard of them. Got a link? How did you first find out about them?
Think there's are Oettinger maps, is that right and if so are they considered good?
Oettinger have always been very highly regarded, and are one of the few VAG-only tuners. Unfortunately, they have never really been marketed very well in the UK, and (I think) RSD were probably their only agent here in Blighty.
There are also other highly regarded VAG-only tuners too, which include MTM, Abt, APR, B&B, Dahlbäck Racing - and probably a few more besides - with MTM arguably being at the top of the proverbial tree.
E-Maps are http://www.e-maps.co.uk/
Let me emphasise I'm not affiliated with them in any way, I'd heard of them from e90 post as I was going to get my BMW done a couple of years ago and they were getting recommended on their forum.
Thanks for the welcome.
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: ask phil mc :laugh:
In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits
The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother :wink: If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine :smiley:
Using the fastest standard Ed30 (with DSG) time against one of the slowest Ed30 times is hardly a fair comparison Steve.. :rolleyes:
For a fairer comparison...
Fastest standard ED30 DSG = 14.7 @ 96mph
Fastest "remapped 300+ stage 2" ED30 DSG = 13.2 @ 111mph.
Which is a fair sized gap mate, just a shame we never got to see what it would of looked like on the strip.. :grin: Yeah some of the modded Ed30 guys struggled with traction, which going by the conditons and being most peeps first time on the strip, was hardly suprising. But there was others that started to get the hang of it in the end as well as me (Neil M, Steve, Jonny C etc)
But all those cars ben are at a further state of tune then the ones i was baseding my example. Power is no good without traction.Thats not rocket science mate.
and at no point did i dismiss or deny at the quarter mile stage, speed difference between cars was 10+ mph.
Its only from 80mph that the Ed30 really motors on as per Timings on the day, and 60ft,330ft.1/8th distance etc.
Its the same conditions for both cars and yes better conditions would benefit BOTH cars.
Hurdys, Neils, your car,jonnys,nadeems,MatED30 cars have been modded more and had more spent on them then say Nathans,or GTijames, as an example.
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Oettinger have a long and unrivalled heritage when it comes to VAG tuning, but got into financial trouble a couple of years back I think. APR from the USA bought them and from what I know,
Really! :huh: :huh: :huh: They are still listed as a German private company (GmbH - which is equvalent to a UK 'Limited' company), trading under German law (Bad Homburg)?
If you google the subject, it seems to be confirmed in many different forums and I'm sure I read a magazine article about it a while back. BTW, having GmbH after their name doesn't mean anything in terms of ownership - only that they are a legal company under German Law. But they could be owned by Americans or whatever... same goes for Ltd companies.
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I have personally driven the VWR demo car and can attest to its superb remap which is used on the offical VW Racing track cars - I think VWR are the only offically permitted producers of Scirocco track cars for VW motorsport use, so they're pretty good too.
Without dragging up old stuff again, I would strongly doubt that VWR are the only official company allowed to provide their services! :wink:
Well, I got this is on the VW website... http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/117 where it says that 'Volkswagen Racing UK are the only permitted builder of racing versions of the Scirocco'. :wink:
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how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?
Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).
yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: ask phil mc :laugh:
In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits
The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother :wink: If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine :smiley:
Using the fastest standard Ed30 (with DSG) time against one of the slowest Ed30 times is hardly a fair comparison Steve.. :rolleyes:
For a fairer comparison...
Fastest standard ED30 DSG = 14.7 @ 96mph
Fastest "remapped 300+ stage 2" ED30 DSG = 13.2 @ 111mph.
Which is a fair sized gap mate, just a shame we never got to see what it would of looked like on the strip.. :grin: Yeah some of the modded Ed30 guys struggled with traction, which going by the conditons and being most peeps first time on the strip, was hardly suprising. But there was others that started to get the hang of it in the end as well as me (Neil M, Steve, Jonny C etc)
But all those cars ben are at a further state of tune then the ones i was baseding my example. Power is no good without traction.Thats not rocket science mate.
and at no point did i dismiss or deny at the quarter mile stage, speed difference between cars was 10+ mph.
Its only from 80mph that the Ed30 really motors on as per Timings on the day, and 60ft,330ft.1/8th distance etc.
Its the same conditions for both cars and yes better conditions would benefit BOTH cars.
Hurdys, Neils, your car,jonnys,nadeems,MatED30 cars have been modded more and had more spent on them then say Nathans,or GTijames, as an example.
Sorry mate, I still don't agree...
Yeah "Power is no good without control", but most of that control is down to the driver and his right foot. On my last run (not my best run either) I ran a 5.3 0-60 on the Racelogic timing equipment I borrowed, even with the cold conditions. In standard form I wouldn't match that. What were your 60ft, 330ft and 1/8th mile figures out of interest... As I bet they are all a fair bit slower? So no I don't think it's only 80mph onwards that a modded Ed30 is quicker than standard one, it's across the range. BUT that doesn't mean someone can't get in a modded ED30 and give it far to much beans, sit on the spot and end up wiith similar figures to a standard one. After all a lot of it is down to the driver IMO..
Not being funny, but you did say..
In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Mine is Stage 2 mate, hence the reason I posted the reply..
Also..
Hurdys, Neils, your car,jonnys,nadeems,MatED30 cars have been modded more and had more spent on them then say Nathans,or GTijames, as an example.
My car has had a total of...
£500 Revo map
£250 Milltek TBE (Second hand)
£45 ITG Panel filter,
So I think you maybe wrong there also mate.. :grin: :wink:
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Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car. Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car. Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker :evil: :evil: :evil:
I have no doubt at all that yours will go quite a bit quicker mate. On the right day it should easilly see 12's with a good launch. You have the exact mods that I would get if I were to carry on the modding bug.. :grin:
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I have no doubt at all that yours will go quite a bit quicker mate. On the right day it should easilly see 12's with a good launch. You have the exact mods that I would get if I were to carry on the modding bug.. :grin:
I haven't got a modding bug anymore - its developed into a full-blown neurotic disease and the mod to-do list is still long :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I think there should be support groups available to be honest..
"Hi, my name's Ben and I like to spend all my income on making my KO4 run more boost!" :grin:
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Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car. Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker :evil: :evil: :evil:
i would love too nadeem, but swmbo doesnt see it as a waste of money :embarassed:, and for an easy life, i will once again by my time. Perhaps when the warranty expires and she may well be more willin to listen to my cries!. I trial would be a good test and perhaps a good secret weapon against JoesGTi if we ever have another chance down the strip again.
Im sure will would crack sub 14.3 with a good launch this time instead of near tickover launch that i was doing a last time out at the Pod.
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Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car. Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker :evil: :evil: :evil:
Im sure will would crack sub 14.3 with a good launch this time instead of near tickover launch that i was doing a last time out at the Pod.
A good launch will see a fair bit quicker thann 14.3 with a map on yours Steve.. 13's easily. :smiley:
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One day ben :undecided:, i wonder if jkm do trial maps?
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One day ben :undecided:, i wonder if jkm do trial maps?
....Talk to Kate - You know how upfront but helpful she is :afro:
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They should easily do. But be warned, it may result in your patio having a new hump in it after the wife kicks off once you've gone for the full map.. :grin:.
I've had 4 trail Revo maps now.. :evil: And that includes 2 demo cars I had on weekend test drives that I had the trail uploaded on.. :grin:
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Phil, does your SWMBO ever drive your car? If not, she probably would never know if it's remapped. However, I can understand anyone not taking up on such a suggested course of action as this - It doesn't encourage trust within the relationship.
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Phil, does your SWMBO ever drive your car? If not, she probably would never know if it's remapped.
Just set aside £20 a week - surely she wouldn't notice :grin: :grin: :grin: and as for the actual map, I'm sure she wouldn't notice it unless she drives your car and has a heavy right foot. Or you could say its improves drivability, engine life :rolleyes:, fuel efficiency as you don't have to press the throttle so much and erm safety etc.... :rolleyes: :grin: :grin: :grin:
However, I can understand anyone not taking up on such a suggested course of action as this -
It doesn't encourage trust within the relationship.
I agree... now get the map :evil: :evil: :evil: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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i cant believe you havent had a trail before, its free so why the hell not?! :undecided:
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Insurance joe wont cover me currently(swiftcover) and its not really about the money , even if i saved it myself, she would know of £500 worth of stuff she wants for within my 4 walls.
In time it will change. (eventually)
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Insurance joe wont cover me currently(swiftcover) and its not really about the money , even if i saved it myself, she would know of £500 worth of stuff she wants for within my 4 walls.
In time it will change. (eventually)
i can honestly say with hand on heart that i wouldnt tell my insurence company about a 5 hour trail.
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You and about 99.9999999% of other people too mate..
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You and about 99.9999999% of other people too mate..
Agreed
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i cant believe you havent had a trail before, its free so why the hell not?! :undecided:
A revo trial does not return the ECU to its original state. Not that that is always relevant because in the majority of cases the person will have the full remap installed after the trial is over.
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Which is why you should always return to the revo dealer after the 5 hours are up to have your ECU flashed back to stock :afro:
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Which is why you should always return to the revo dealer after the 5 hours are up to have your ECU flashed back to stock :afro:
....Exactly. And furthermore you should also exceed those 5 hours on your ECU.
:afro:
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Oettinger have a long and unrivalled heritage when it comes to VAG tuning, but got into financial trouble a couple of years back I think. APR from the USA bought them and from what I know,
Really! :huh: :huh: :huh: They are still listed as a German private company (GmbH - which is equvalent to a UK 'Limited' company), trading under German law (Bad Homburg)?
If you google the subject, it seems to be confirmed in many different forums and I'm sure I read a magazine article about it a while back. BTW, having GmbH after their name doesn't mean anything in terms of ownership - only that they are a legal company under German Law. But they could be owned by Americans or whatever... same goes for Ltd companies.
Ahhh, righty. Thanks. :afro:
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Ahhh, righty. Thanks. :afro:
No problem :cool: