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General => The garage => Topic started by: th3_f15t on 25 January 2009, 10:38
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Hey there. I recently went from owning a (mint condition) Ford Fiesta Si 16v to owning a (very good looking) Golf GTI 8v.
Now, with my Fiesta, I was always told that a full induction kit (cone filter, pipes and new cool air feed) should not be used unless a proper tune up was done, as the old 16v engines suffered with the forced air coming in.
But my Golf GTI 8v already has one on there, but with no other modifications (stnadard ECU mapping, steel exhaust ect...). Should I put the original air box and K&N pannel filter in instead, to gain better air flow? New to VW engines so not too sure!
Many thanks.
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dont think induction kit will force in enough air to cause the engine to suffer. these engines are bomb-proof :D
i dont have an 2.0 8v but i think most people on here that own them use the original airbox and a K&N panel filter for the best performance.
LL :)
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Forgot to mention, it's a Mark II 1.8 litre 8 valve engine. Wondered if it made a difference and if so, might upgrade to a K&N induction kit reather than the random one it's got on it now.
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Stick the standard airbox and an uprated panel filter on and don't waste your time with tat like 'induction kits'. If you're going to modify it, do it properly and stick a 4-branch on the back, a bumpier cam and get it chipped.
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Welcome to the dub side... :grin:
Yeah, an cone filter makes it a bit throatier, maybe bit sharper throttle response but I think it's mostly subjective. I've had both and my current mk2 has a healthy induction roar as is compared with my old mk3. I'd recommend BMC's, bit pricey but the noise and definate noticeable improvement make em a good bet. Couple that with a better exhaust to start with and then go from there, depends what you want. Ported/flowed head, chipped, 2ltr bottom end, cam, quick shift, clutch. Go on, batter that visa card.... :laugh:
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LoL, cheers guys. Going to try and get hold of a standard air intake system, clean it up and put a pannel filter in it. When I get enough money, may tune the engine, or might save the cash and buy a 16v and do that up... he he he.
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The other things to bear in mind about 'induction kits' is that if there's a 'hot wire' MAF sensor in the intake, the oil used on the cone filters can contaminate this and trash it. Also, engines are set up to scavenge warm air off the exhaust manifold when they are running cold. Junking all that will likely damage cold running.
Time and again this question is asked and the response every time is 'makes a nice noise, but does nothing'.
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The engines are set up to draw hot air off the exhaust manifold when the air inlet temperature gets too low, its not actually there to help the engine warm up. I would stick with a k&n panel with a drilled box, always worked for me!
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LoL, cheers guys. Going to try and get hold of a standard air intake system, clean it up and put a pannel filter in it. When I get enough money, may tune the engine, or might save the cash and buy a 16v and do that up... he he he.
Drilled box with K&N panel filter is best of both worlds..... But since you mention it....I'll be selling a low mileage(110k) KR engine with full service history and all the ancilliers in next few months if you're interested? Has a standard airbox on it :grin:
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i recently bought a mk2 8v for 400 but later realised it had no filter box.... i have ordered a powertec stainless steel induction kit. and will be installing next week. any advice criticism or applause. also will a tube from the front grill be sufficirnt to keep cool air going into the kit??
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It would be interesting to do a back to back comparison on a rolling road. Failing that if you're set on installing it make sure it doesn't suck in water/moisture as not much will kill your motor quicker.
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engines like moisture just not to much
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Mate, I found my induction kit just causes problems. My exhaust stinks of un-burned petrol, my Golf has the air sensor and because of the random cone filter on the end of the pipe, the ECU is getting confused and dumping loads of petrol in the engine.
Stick with a standard air box and pannel filter (K&N is the most common). Means you don't have to declare it as a modification on the insurance, it keeps your fuel economy up and gives your engine better air flow which means better response and don't over work it.
I'm no expert but spoken to many people and all say the same thing as that.
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engines like moisture just not too much
Fair play, but i was meaning more if it sucks up a puddle and fills the cylinders with water.
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Should be fine. Even if it does then just a minor bit of TLC and you'll be back to normal, lol.
I just discovered another problem with my induction kit. Because of the way it's mounted, it's not getting a lot of air, which in turn has caused the engine to burn off it's oil, i've now realised that it's dropped from minimum to almost half way down the rest of the dip stick!
New filter and fresh oil today me thinks, maybe some flush too. Hope the big end hasn't gone, but there is a suspisious noise coming from that way. Keep a look out for a new post along the lines of "big end gone, what now?" LoL! :laugh:
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Should be fine. Even if it does then just a minor bit of TLC and you'll be back to normal, lol.
I just discovered another problem with my induction kit. Because of the way it's mounted, it's not getting a lot of air, which in turn has caused the engine to burn off it's oil, i've now realised that it's dropped from minimum to almost half way down the rest of the dip stick!
New filter and fresh oil today me thinks, maybe some flush too. Hope the big end hasn't gone, but there is a suspisious noise coming from that way. Keep a look out for a new post along the lines of "big end gone, what now?" LoL! :laugh:
Time for that engine conversion...?
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LoL, not yet. Changed the oil and it's running better today. Still a bit smokey through the exhaust but the noise isn't big end, water pump is noisy I think and maybe the tap heads need some attention. The old oil wasn't grainy so the big end's not be chewed away.
Just need to get that air box on it now, it's still running rich as hell, bit less with the fresh oil in it. :-)
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Best of luck with the diagnostics. I'm not doing anything with my car until it gets above 0 degrees, that includes washing it.... :grin:
Or at least until I find out about this lock up....