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Offline jacko16v

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Roll cage
« on: 30 October 2008, 21:18 »
In the middle of buying a 5 door gti with a roll cage, want to put it in my 3 door gti, Will i have any issues, from what i have read there the same.

OMP bolt in job if that makes any odds?

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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #1 on: 30 October 2008, 21:43 »
 :angry: :angry:why on earth do you want to put a roll cage in you car??  forgive me if this seems a stupid question
and you are in fact a racing driver with the potential for life threatening injuries from a multiple roll over incident caused by Mr Numpty out braking you into the hairpin at Donnigton.

If this is your 'track car' fair enoughski.

If it is your daily, and you conceive the opportunity where a roll cage might come in handy....then you shouldn't be on the road in the first place.

Sorry...but people who put roll cages in cars for cosmetic matters really get on my wick.

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« Last Edit: 30 October 2008, 22:28 by The Flying Elvi »

Offline richard s

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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #2 on: 30 October 2008, 22:52 »
you forgot to put rant over at the end
i cant see you having too much trouble as they are same car and if you want a cage you have a cage mate
just check if the 5door has any reinforcing plates welded in for the cage

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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #3 on: 31 October 2008, 01:13 »
If you are going to put a roll cage in your road car, please be very aware that it is lethal to do so, unless you drive everywhere with a crash helmet on, including all passengers as well.
Only three weeks ago, my mate took his road legal (just) but otherwise full time race car out on the road, for a test drive, he lost control, and ended up hitting 5 parked cars, he had to be cut from the car, and ended up in hospital with severe head injuries, 40+ stitches! directly caused by the rollcage, plus other injuries,  luckily he will make a full recovery
If your fitting for a track day/race car, fit only the cage that is the correct application for your car, and that it meets current safety standards, correctly fitted cages are welded in, and never bolted, and should not be modified or drilled in any way..
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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #4 on: 31 October 2008, 06:31 »
plus i do belive it will put your insurance up as they seem to think if you fit a cage you are expecting to crash

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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #5 on: 31 October 2008, 07:19 »
Its a Track car.

Thanks richard s for the only answer that i wanted to hear.
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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #6 on: 31 October 2008, 08:18 »
Rah rah rah....

If your fitting for a track day/race car, fit only the cage that is the correct application for your car, and that it meets current safety standards, correctly fitted cages are welded in, and never bolted, and should not be modified or drilled in any way..
Tom

You go ahead and spout rubbish and generally get your funk on.

Here's another answer that the OP probably doesn't want to read.

By all means fit an OMP bolt-in cage, but that should be the start of your rollcage, not the finish of it.  Provided you are a competent welder then there are various beneficial add-ins you can make to a six-point cage:  bar across the car behind the dash, lower door bars, lower cross-brace on the main hoop and harness bars between the cross-bracing.  You will also gain quite a lot of stiffness by 'tabbing' the shell and the cage, so it has pick-up points on the windscreen pillars and B-posts.

All this should be done with 'proper' CDS or chro-moly tubing.

The harness bars are particularly important as it's simply not good enough to use rear seatbelt mounts - they're not designed for it, the harness is terminating too far away and if it's the lower mounts, generally too far down.  If you are in an impact it'll have a good go at crushing your spine.

Four point harnesses with 2" wide straps ain't good enough either - too thin and no lower securing point, so you'll submarine down in your seat, causing further damage to you.  This means that to fit harnesses that will improve your safety you need to fit proper bucket seats with the crutch-strap hole in them.

Oh and you need proper high-density harness padding on the bars to protect the helmet that you're now always going to have to wear when you drive the car.

So, unless you want to bolt in a rollcage and look like some sort of have-a-go-donkey-hero you need to buy in mind that it's just part of a complete safety package - cage, harnesses and bucket seats.

Bit more than a couple of hundred quid on a bolt in cage, isn't it.
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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #7 on: 01 November 2008, 02:24 »
Its a Track car.

Thanks richard s for the only answer that i wanted to hear.

Had you stated that the car was to be a track day car, then my answer would have been more on the lines of DHs answer..but you didn't!  So basically I think you got fair answers to the question that was asked
Tom

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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #8 on: 01 November 2008, 21:47 »
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Only three weeks ago, my mate took his road legal (just) but otherwise full time race car out on the road, for a test drive, he lost control, and ended up hitting 5 parked cars, he had to be cut from the car, and ended up in hospital with severe head injuries, 40+ stitches! directly caused by the rollcage, plus other injuries,  luckily he will make a full recovery

take it he was doing 30 then.
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Re: Roll cage
« Reply #9 on: 02 November 2008, 17:08 »
people are getting far too b!tchy, at the end of the day even if this guy wanted to put it in a road car then so what, its up to him, its ok to advise people of the dangers but to have a crack like you guys are isnt very nice. i know cages can be dangerous if not fittd properly so dont start on me now, jesus