Losing the airbag??? why???

[vixteris]

an extract taken from the birgjhton and hove argus

A driver accused of causing the death of his friend in a car crash was travelling too fast to take a bend when the fatal accident happened.

Adam was at the wheel of a hired Vauxhall Astra when it collided with an oncoming Citroen in Balcombe, on June 4 last year.

A passenger in the Astra,  who was in the back, took the full force of the impact. He died almost instantly.

A jury at Lewes Crown Court heard the victim had been wearing a seat belt.

Accident investigator PC Graham Welsh said marks on the safety belt showed the dead teenager had put it on.

However, it was unable to prevent lateral movement inside the car as it spun 180 degrees.


so feck ur safety features!!!!   buy a mrk 1 - stick in a momo steering wheel and drive a decnt car!!!

[vixteris]

sorry for the reply above but it really winds me up when people think the new cars are better than the old cars are better simply cos of safety features

if u gona crash - brand new car or old car its simply down to speed of impact, angle of impact and the lack of driving skill that kills people.

what chance does someone have in a mark 1 cab if they roll it not wearing a 5 point harness???  learn the limits of your car, dont rely on the airbag please!!  

[winstonb]

Or to put what i think Vix is getting at another way, crash tests are artificial.  So a lot of the added protection will only do its job in the "perfect" crash scenario.  If you get smaked in the side at 30, an air bag is going to do Sweet FA, and the seatbelt aint much help either - there both designed to hep you in a frontal impact.

But the best solution to the air-bag/no air-bag is simple.  

Dont crash.

[AdamB]

Just ordered a nice non-airbag Victor steering wheel
No safety features for me - live life on the edge

[tinman]

if u gona crash - brand new car or old car its simply down to speed of impact, angle of impact and the lack of driving skill that kills people.

i really did think the same thing, until they showed those two espaces hitting each other. new vs old.

the new car demolished the old car. the occupants of the new car would of walked away totally uninjured, and the old espace driver would of been dead. i think even the results shocked the programme makers.

of course alot has to do with speed and so forth. but dont underestimate the engineering behind modern cars.

i'll try and see if i can find the write up on the web somewhere.

[Fielder5757]

I saw that 2, However i also noticed a flaw.

The 2002 Espas has front left and front right crumple zones, While the older model has a Centeral Front crumple zone, There for the crash they setup (front right to front right) was slightly biast.

Still an eye opener tho.

[AdamB]

Nobody ever wants to crash their car, and no-one would do it deliberatly. I know people who have driven all their life and never crashed. With all the miles we each do every year, there is still only a small chance of an accident. You have a greater risk of being hurt doing mosy other day to day things, but there is more emphasis put on car safety features to the degree that it spoils the pleasure of driving. If I want to "risk" driving without the frills of a safety net, then I should be allowed to do so, I dont need anyone telling me I can or can't. - ABS, AirBags, Traction control, over engineered and heavy crumple zones, etc, etc.... these spoil the feel of a good car on a great road.
The best handling cars for out and out thrashing are things such as the Elise, VX220, caterham, etc and what "safety features do they have? not too many!
I want to "drive" it, not just arrive in it!
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[danhock]

I'm completely baffled in why you worry about these things black?  

Why get a GTI then worry about safety features... Just get a Micra or a Volvo... they're safe cars.

You're way old beofre your time.

[Speedydub]

When I was 18, I had a P-reg Polo 3dr, basic 1.0 model.

One night, travelling back from a night out (I hadnt been drinking, before you ask) I was turning right at traffic lights, and failed to see a toyota carina coming towards me. I was only in 2nd gear, pulling away, doing about 10mph, the other woman was doing like 35ish.

It was almost head- on, and I(with no airbag) only suffred some chipped teeth and nasty seatbelt bruise plus whiplash. My passengers were the same, with the fromt passenger having a fractured fibula.

The woman in the carina however (airbag) had to be stretchered away, and apparently had serious whiplash and needed physio after.

Bearing in mind that her car was bigger, really i think she was worse off with having the airbag. Plus she was only a very small lady, so wouldve got it full in the face.

 

[Zime]

Black....

Its that same old thing call personnel taste, seems to me that every mod you choose to do comes from divine inspiration yet every mod you choose not to do makes the persons car look, cheap, scally, rice, unsafe whatever you want to call it.... why not just let people do what they want to do without question or ridicule....