oettinger remap and warrantee?

[bmx]

one guys opinion....... it dont mean alot 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

APS have done some excellent work on modifying the Mk5 R32

But to be frank, the VR6 is a relatively old engine design, without the much more complex MED9, and its' associated enhanced systems.

by all accounts and they are also very customer service orientated. But being new, perhaps they need to be particularly 'friendly'.

Well, it's good that they are customer "focussed".  But, because they are new, and lack experience or technical know-how with the MED9, then that customer service could actually be without any "substance" - not good when things go Pete Tong. 

Personally I'm not impressed by Superchips' history, who APS seems to use.

Thank-you !!!!  I've been bashing on here about how crap Superchips are, but have been getting a hard time over my stance!

Also, AmD doesn't impress in recent years either.

Ohh - perhaps it was their "drop-off" which attracted them to BBT. 

As for BigBoysToys, it's sell, sell, sell....Whether you need it or not.

Agreed.

Just my opinion, but I have far more trust in Revo and oettinger as offering well written codes which are fully tested and are stable.

Exactly - again, just what I've been stating! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Who are aps or jbs?

Where is their "history" - fcuk all !!!

Of AutoPS - who the heck are PCM Tuning, or Gary Hamilton   What kind of "back-up" do these offer?

And JBS - they don't even mention the 2.0T FSI, or the Bosch MED9 . . . .

You've certainly found a pair of "wannabees" there!

So to be anybody you need to have been around since time itself began? Just picturing you there when the mk1 GTI was being 'invented'.....

Not at all!

And being as you brought in the Mk1, thirty years ago, engines were considerably easier to "tune".  There was a group of companies which had specialised in unique areas, relying on years of R&D and engineering excellence, and were nigh-on guaranteed to give results.  From one extreme, like Cosworth who would completely rebuild an engine, from blueprint specs, to the bolt-on component suppliers, such as Kent cams, Janspeed exhausts, Webber or Delorto carbs.

But, we were specifically talking about the Mk5 GTI FSI engine - a completely different beast to those engines of 30 years ago, and with very different demands from the "tuner".

Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!

Ahh, but the VW Cup is a controlled series, with the cars effectively being equal.  It is more down to driver ability, rather than the actual car.   

[Teutonic_Tamer]

one guys opinion....... it dont mean alot 

But it isn't just my opinion !!!  There seems to be others who agree. 

[RedRobin]

Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!

....Just because (for example) a Superchips tuned car beats a Revo tuned car, doesn't mean that the Superchips product is superior to the Revo product (for example). There is much more to a full-on track car than the ECU, including the driver!

[phope]

Wrong.  All FSI engines, turbo or n/a, in the EU markets, operate in both homogenised AND stratified modes.  In the US/Canada markets, the stratified mode is ECU disabled (due to their lack of ultra low sulphur petrols).  If the stratified mode is not visible on their map, then how can they "re-map" it, and satisfy European mapping modes?

ah, my mistake then...I got my info (for the Edition 30 at least) straight from VW technical...ErWin Online
Edition 30 seems to do without stratified mode completely



*apologies...copy protection on the file means you can't screen dump it or transfer it from machine to machine*

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!

....Just because (for example) a Superchips tuned car beats a Revo tuned car, doesn't mean that the Superchips product is superior to the Revo product (for example). There is much more to a full-on track car than the ECU, including the driver!

Exactly my sentiments too, RR.

I suppose those same people also happen to think that because Michael Shumacher had Marlboro painted on his 2006 Ferrari F1 tool, then he also smoked 40 Marlboro (Lights, because Shumy was a fitness freak) ciggys every race!   

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Wrong.  All FSI engines, turbo or n/a, in the EU markets, operate in both homogenised AND stratified modes.  In the US/Canada markets, the stratified mode is ECU disabled (due to their lack of ultra low sulphur petrols).  If the stratified mode is not visible on their map, then how can they "re-map" it, and satisfy European mapping modes?

ah, my mistake then...I got my info (for the Edition 30 at least) straight from VW technical...ErWin Online
Edition 30 seems to do without stratified mode completely

That screen shot makes no mention of specifically excluding the stratified mode! 

Incidentally, when the FSI was initially launched (for the European markets), it specifcally stated that the FSI would provide increased power (due to the more efficient cylinder direct injection) AND economy (due to the stratified, or lean burn mode).  There was a clear disclaimer that the stratified mode would NOT be enabled for the North American markets, down to their crap quality fuels.  To back this up, on the standard 200PS GTI engine, the European ones have different engine codes to the North American ones.

[RedRobin]

....Interesting. I didn't know about the European and American engine differences - Does this mean that what a tuner creates for an American Mk5 GTI isn't necessarily good for a European one, and vica versa ?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

....Interesting. I didn't know about the European and American engine differences

I'm surprised - I thought it was common knowledge!

Does this mean that what a tuner creates for an American Mk5 GTI isn't necessarily good for a European one, and vica versa ?

Yup, egzakerley.  All the hard work that Wolfsburg did to create the "economy" part of the ECU map will be completely wiped, should you have an American based chip code.  Additionally, the US/Cdn engines have much more stringent emmissions regs, with particlular regard to crankcase ventilation, and fuel tank venting.  There are many differences between EU and North American emmissions control systems, which are all "driven" by the engine ECU.