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Re: Trackers
« Reply #10 on: 10 March 2007, 12:23 »
Had cars with trackers on before and always wondered if I'd want the car back if some little git had taken and abused it. Limited edition or not.

A fair comment.  However, with a stolen recovered car, the insurance MUST repair any damage, and the the cost of the claim will be substancially less than a stolen and NOT recovered.

If you subsequently decide the car has bad "karma" or whatever, then you can choose to sell it on, at your own convenience, and at a fair and reasonable price, and not have to slog it out over 10 rounds with your insurance co when sourcing a stolen replacement!
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Re: Trackers
« Reply #11 on: 10 March 2007, 12:32 »
I dealt with the stealing of a Rover last year, it had a Tracker fitted, RAC Trackstar I think. The keys were stolen from the house and that car has never been seen since, so make your own mind up. It was a Rover I know, but  the guy needed it for his job.

The RAC Trackstars are pretty poor for private motorists, who need it for stolen vehicle recovery.  The "secure centre" which operates the RAC ones is run by Group4, and we all know they have a job keeping tabs on prisoners inside locked prision vans  :sick:, so tracing cars might just prove a little difficult for them!  :sad:
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Re: Trackers
« Reply #12 on: 10 March 2007, 12:42 »
The recovery rate for any high performance vehical accoarding to the police isnt that succesfull in defence TT.It shows that the quicker you contact the police, the more likely they are in finding it, results show the longer the car is missing, chances are you ARE NOT likely to see it again.i think your saying about putting a tracker sticker whether you have or havent got one fitted is neither here nor there TT,anything to a thick Criminal may not realise, afteral how many brain cells do they genarally have.!! In Blowers case, they obvoiusly were watching his movements, and knew EXACTLY what they were after.  If someone wants something, THEY WILL get it, one way or another.

BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!

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Re: Trackers
« Reply #13 on: 11 March 2007, 17:32 »

www.Tracker.co.uk - the Horizon as a minimum.

I'm on their website now and cant see any difference between "Horizon" and "Monitor" :undecided: (apart from the price)

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Re: Trackers
« Reply #14 on: 13 March 2007, 08:50 »
Righty, I WILL submit this post, even if I have to plug the bloody server directly into the Naional Grid!

The recovery rate for any high performance vehical accoarding to the police isnt that succesfull in defence TT.

I think you may be getting that particular issue confused.  Those statistics may actually be relating to ALL high performance vehicles, irrespective of weather any kind of tracking device is fitted!

Tracker can provide independently audited figures of something like 98% recovery rates - now that is mighty impressive!

It shows that the quicker you contact the police, the more likely they are in finding it, results show the longer the car is missing, chances are you ARE NOT likely to see it again.

Then that would definately prove the need for an active, high quality, proven tracking device.  With all the current Tracker products, the notification to the owner is nigh-on instant, and interception of the stolen car within 20minutes is regularly proven!

i think your saying about putting a tracker sticker whether you have or havent got one fitted is neither here nor there TT,anything to a thick Criminal may not realise, afteral how many brain cells do they genarally have.!!

Oh, no, I have to disagree with that, quite strongly.

OK, you may have a point, but which is unrelated.  Yes, there are the low-life, single-cell Pikey/Chav brigade, who either target ancient Escorts/Sierras/Novas etc, for joyriding.  They may also resort to a brick through the window of any car, for the purposes of stealing the "Scott-Scott" on the dash, or the girly handbag under the passenger seat.  These would bear no relation to the actual theft of a modern GTI or equivalent.

Generally, the newest, high-value, high-performance cars, are generally targeted and stolen "to order", by highly organised, and clever gangs of organised crims.  These types would simply laugh at a Tracker sticker, and would actually consider it a vary easy picking, based on their own acute knowledge that the genuine Trackers do NOT have any kind of identifying elements, including stooopid stickers!

In Blowers case, they obvoiusly were watching his movements, and knew EXACTLY what they were after.  If someone wants something, THEY WILL get it, one way or another.

Oh, agreed.  BUT, if Blower had a Tracker fitted, there would have been a 98% chance he would have his car back!  And no doubt the scrotes that lifted it, would be tasting an oaty breakfast!

BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!

Nooooooo - that would be too kind for the scum.

Public flogging, with electrified car keys tied to the ends of the lashes.  The number of lashes would be determined by the value of the stolen car, in pennies, not pounds, multiplied by the distance traveled from the owners last location, in millimetres!  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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Re: Trackers
« Reply #15 on: 13 March 2007, 12:37 »

www.Tracker.co.uk - the Horizon as a minimum.

I'm on their website now and cant see any difference between "Horizon" and "Monitor" :undecided: (apart from the price)

Monitor is their (now) basic, entry level device.  It uses just one active tracking and alert technology.

Horizon is the next model up from the Monitor.  It works in exactly the same way, but uses to completely separate and different tracking systems.

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Re: Trackers
« Reply #16 on: 13 March 2007, 13:08 »
Right fellas, ex cop having a say now, when I worked for the force, would hear of Tracker's going off, the lads with blues and 2s followed them on the monitor and usually recovered goods. Trackers are fitted to all sorts of goodies now, m/bikes, vans, lorrries and plant (JCB). TRACKER is recommended by Thatcham who are about the best at security, which is what they do. TRACKER do about 3 sorts, MONITOR HORIZON and RESPONSE systems, the difference between MONITOR and HORIZON apart from price £674 against £774, is MONITOR is on VHF and HORIZON is VHF and GPS. THATCHAM says that HORIZON receives a signal in an underground car park or inside a container !. On my ED 30 I have fully comp insurance with protected bonus, plus GAP bought from my dealer for £150 as part of a deal, still considering HORIZON though :undecided:. It all depends on the individual, £Â£Ã‚£ comes in to it, RESPONSE is like having a car sitter buts its over £1,000,iut does more than I need anyway. HORIZON and MONITOR both have the lifetime duration for that money, so its up to you folks you pays your money and yoy takes your pick

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Re: Trackers
« Reply #17 on: 13 March 2007, 15:12 »
Right fellas, ex cop having a say now, when I worked for the force, would hear of Tracker's going off, the lads with blues and 2s followed them on the monitor and usually recovered goods.

Aye, and am I right when I stated that only Tracker are pinged directly to the BiB?

Trackers are fitted to all sorts of goodies now, m/bikes, vans, lorrries and plant (JCB).

Agreed, but Tracker also offer to completely different "overall" solutions - the one we are talking about here being "stolen vehicle recovery", and the other is a more generalised tool, used by fleet managers, for live data tracking - "vehicle asset management systems".

TRACKER is recommended by Thatcham who are about the best at security, which is what they do.

Absoultely.  Tracker are the only company to achieve CAT 5 accreditation, not even the might of RAC/Group4 gets this!

TRACKER do about 3 sorts, MONITOR HORIZON and RESPONSE systems, the difference between MONITOR and HORIZON apart from price £674 against £774, is MONITOR is on "delete tech 1" and HORIZON is "delete tech 1" and "delete tech 2".

Hmmm, I've deleted your sensative data in my quote, perhaps you or the MODERATORS could do the same!

You forgot to mention that the RESPONSE, along with the ECHO (which you didn't mention) also have a third active tracking technology, AND they use a separate key tag!

THATCHAM says that HORIZON receives a signal in an underground car park or inside a container !.

ALL current Tracker devices will send a receivable signal, even from within concrete or metal containers.  There is only one of the potential three tracking methods which is defeated in this way!

On my ED 30 I have fully comp insurance with protected bonus, plus GAP bought from my dealer for £150 as part of a deal,

Yebut - even if you do have "protected NCB", your base premium will still shoot up on renewal of an unrecovered loss!

still considering HORIZON though :undecided:.

Go for it.  The Horizon offers better pin-point accuracy, over the Monitor.

It all depends on the individual, £Â£Ã‚£ comes in to it, RESPONSE is like having a car sitter buts its over £1,000,iut does more than I need anyway. HORIZON and MONITOR both have the lifetime duration for that money, so its up to you folks you pays your money and yoy takes your pick

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Re: Trackers
« Reply #18 on: 13 March 2007, 18:58 »
I'm interested in fitting a tracker, so I've read this thread with interest.

I'm a little confused by how the system works. I note this line on their website: "If a TRACKER Horizon equipped vehicle is illegally moved, a movement sensor hidden in the vehicle sends a signal to TRACKER HQ." The question is, how does the system know that movement is illegal?

Say my keys are pinched - how does the tracker know the different between me starting it with the key and driving off, or some thieving git doing to same?

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Re: Trackers
« Reply #19 on: 13 March 2007, 21:03 »
Hmmm, I've deleted your sensative data in my quote, perhaps you or the MODERATORS could do the same!

I can do but not really sure why...

I'm sure peeps would have found them with Google anyhow!

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