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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #70 on: 15 February 2007, 15:41 »
Hurdy,

Yeah that would be a good idea I think

He also said that they offer a guarantee in the unlikely event of the remap causing any damage....they pay for the work to be done by VW if your warranty suffers.

I'm gonna wait til I have 5k plus on the clock then give them a try

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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #71 on: 15 February 2007, 16:08 »
Spoke to Superchips today

He can come out, remap and increase it to 280Bhp at least (they havent done one yet)

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Hmmm . . . I would seriously reconsider using Superchips!  They don't have a particularly good reputation, and many of their dealers have kicked them into touch, as their back-up and R&D was pants.  Any good chip tuner will dyno the car before and after - how are Superchips gonna do that if they have to come to you (which they would have to, as they now have no dealers, unlike REVO etc)?!

The Bosch MED9 ECU was exceedingly hard, and took a very long time to crack, as was well reported on AudiWorld and VWvortex.

I would only use the VAG specialist chip tuners, such as REVO or Oettinger http://www.rsdcars-uk.co.uk/Oettinger.htm - who have proven, dedicated VAG tuning experience, rather than the "jack of all trades, master of none" Superchips.

Look at the Oettinger stuff, and you'll see a lot more than chip tuning to get the 310Ps!

Just my opinion mine dew!  :smiley:
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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #72 on: 15 February 2007, 19:31 »
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Hmmm . . . I would seriously reconsider using Superchips!  They don't have a particularly good reputation, and many of their dealers have kicked them into touch, as their back-up and R&D was pants.


Teutonic tamer

Superchips also have close links with VW and are the Official tuning partners of VW racing.

If you have some info for me that would make me think twice about going back to use them again, then I would not use them again.

I have, however used them in my last 4 VAG cars and had no issues. :smiley:


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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #73 on: 16 February 2007, 09:35 »
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Hmmm . . . I would seriously reconsider using Superchips!  They don't have a particularly good reputation, and many of their dealers have kicked them into touch, as their back-up and R&D was pants.


Superchips also have close links with VW and are the Official tuning partners of VW racing.

I'm afraid they are not the "Official tuning partner of VW racing".  VW Racing develop their custom race re-maps entirely in-house, with no technical support from Superchips whatsoever.  Superchips are merely an advertising sponsor, in exatly the same way that Marlboro are advertising sponsors to the Scuderia Ferrari Formula 1 race team - or did you thing that Shumis red car needs 40 king size for each lap  :wink:  :wink:

If you have some info for me that would make me think twice about going back to use them again, then I would not use them again.

I have two entirely separate nuggets of info.  The first, I used to own a Vectra 2.6 V6 GSI, and I approached Superchips at a stand at a MotorShow.  I asked for chip tuning details, and they basically offered me what looked like an utter shambles.  They showed me a dyno printout, the torque curve was not a curve at all.  There was more peaks and troughs than at Hugh Heffners girly partys, and the basic profile was actually lower than standard, all the way to about 5½k rpm.  Peak power was increased, by about 6bhp, but to do that, they had to raise the rev limiter by about 700rpm.  Close examination of their own graphs overlayed with OEM graphs actually showed a decrease in torque and power throughout the "day-2day" user rev range, between 2k and 5k rpm.

Secondly, a highly regarded Bosch independent engine tuner, who has won many awards for his work, was one of the original Superchips dealers.  He still has Superchips listed on his website, but ask him for chip tuning of VAG products, and he will discorage their use, and steer you towards REVO.  Why, because REVO have considerably better R&D and back-up, and their finished products are miles better than Superchips.  He basically said to me, at the end of the day, he makes the same profit from either chip tuner on the original sale, but then looses out, because REVO have the facility to custom remap virtually immediately, whereas Superchips are completely unable to re-write custom codes at all!  Superchips may be fine if you only re-chip, and do absolutely no other mods, but as soon as you start with other tweaks, including exhausts, de-catting, filters, induction, etc, etc - then Superchips become as useful as an ashtray on a Space Shuttle!

I have, however used them in my last 4 VAG cars and had no issues. :smiley:

Fine, good for you.  :smiley:

But as I don't know what your previous VAG motors were (apart from your current TDI, which, lets face facts, can be very easily tuned by crude and simple overfueling!), I can't comment.  All I can re-iterate, is just how extremely difficult it was to crack the code on the MED9, the ECU for the FSI turbo motors.  OK, Superchips may claim they have done so, but I would put my left kidney on the fact that their code is not a match on the real VAG-only specialists.

Just look at the Superchips website - the list of car manufacturer names that wizz along the bottom beggar belief: Kia, Hyundai, Honda, Isuzu, Nissan, Daewoo, Fiat, Citroen, LADA, ???? - a real jack of all trades, master of none!  And do they really claim to chip tune Ferrari and Maseratti.

Hmmm. . . personally, I would prefer to use someone who is dedicated soley to the VAG brands, knowing that their ongoing R&D is not detracted to tweaking Kias!

Each to their own though, and as always, just my own opinion!  :smiley:
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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #74 on: 16 February 2007, 10:53 »
Hi Teutonic,

Just goes to show how wrong one can be!

Looks like a diesel chip from Superchips is passable then(last 4 cars were all diesels), but a GTI chip tune maybe pants!

Thanks for the heads up. I'll look for a Revo tune if and when one comes out for the ED 30. :wink:

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There was more peaks and troughs than at Hugh Heffners girly partys,
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As for the adverts they put out and claim to be "tuning partners", wouldn't this constitute misrepresentation? :angry:

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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #75 on: 16 February 2007, 12:17 »
Hi Teutonic,

Just goes to show how wrong one can be!

It's really down to marketing and advertising really.  If Superchips swamp every car mag on the shelves with their adverts, and specifically "tailor" their ad in Volkswagen Driver to show the GTI race car, they might seem plausable.  If they happend to "forget" to tailor their ad in VW Driver, and left a picture of say a Lada (still can't get my head 'round that one  :shocked:) in it, 'twould be a different response from the readers!

Looks like a diesel chip from Superchips is passable then(last 4 cars were all diesels), but a GTI chip tune maybe pants!

I think Superchips are to chip tuning in the same manner that PC World are to computers.  If you want a 'puter, any 'puter, any make, to sit on the desk in your study/bedroom/etc, and don't really understand the differencies between a Celeron and a Pentium (and don't care either, you just WANT a 'puter), then that's where PCW excell.  If you want specific, detailed advice, or a specific product from PCW, then Cadburys teapots come to mind.  The same scenarios can be said for Superchips, if you just want the little sticker on your boot lid, then fine, but it'll be an expensive sticker, and may or may not give any improvement throughout the entire rev-range.

Like I already mentioned, turbo diesel chip tuning can be done quite effectively, quite crudely, by simply overfueling.  Better TDI (and turbo petrol) chip tuners also alter the boost, through modifying ECU control of the wastegate/dump valve/diverter valve.  They may alter the fueling amount, they may alter the fueling timing, they may alter the fueling duration, they may induce pulse fueling!

Ask any chip tuner to view their 3D or 4D custom maps, as well as overlay dyno graphs (and not just a single dyno graph, showing no comparison from the original) for the specification you require, and see what they say!!!

To see some real examples of comparitive dyno graphs, look at Thorney Motorsports research on Tesco 99 RON superunleaded - PDF: http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/content/site/downloads/press-release-full-290806.pdf , or web link: http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/gcs_article.php?artid=64&typelink=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thorneymotorsport.co.uk%2Fgcs_article.php%3Ftype%3DNews%26subtitle%3D0%26title%3D0%26text%3D0%26toc%3D1

Thanks for the heads up. I'll look for a Revo tune if and when one comes out for the ED 30. :wink:

Don't forget the Miltek too  :wink:  :wink:.  And dont rule out the Oettinger stuff either!

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There was more peaks and troughs than at Hugh Heffners girly partys,
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Since I brought that up, I can't stop thinking about that bird who was on Love Island  :embarassed:  :embarassed:  :embarassed:

As for the adverts they put out and claim to be "tuning partners", wouldn't this constitute misrepresentation? :angry:

I havn't really seen much of their adverts, and never take any notice of them if I do stumble accross them, so I can't personally comment on the "tuning partners" claim.  Even if they did make a false representation, I doubt they are quaking in their boots, as our lack of effective enforcement in that particular area is woefully inadequate!

Another classic example of unlawful representation, is Mobil 1.  They claim on their bottles (and their website) that their oil meets a few of the VAG oil standards.  To meet those VAG standards, the oil MUST be tested only by VW, and only VW can award the acreditation for the VW oil standard.  Mobil 1 oil has never been tested by VW, yet they still make their thinly veiled claims that it "meets" those certain VW standards - more typical American advertising and marketing speil, which a vast majority of Yanks, and also a small minority of Brits, are spoon-fed as the gospel truth.

I never believe advertising, instead try to look for independent research and testing, athough, I have to admit, even that can be a potential minefield!

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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #76 on: 18 February 2007, 23:15 »
I had my last Mk5 Golf chipped by Superchips. The results were amazing. Unfortunately the turbo paid the price after 2000 miles or so...

As for the E30, what a beauty! I bet it's just a software tweak for the extra 30Bhp, but so what? 30Bhp is 30Bhp... I wish I had one, and as I can't afford one, I'll be avoiding my local dealer like the plague. Just too tempting.

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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #77 on: 18 February 2007, 23:27 »
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As for the E30, what a beauty! I bet it's just a software tweak for the extra 30Bhp,

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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #78 on: 19 February 2007, 15:56 »
I had my last Mk5 Golf chipped by Superchips. The results were amazing. Unfortunately the turbo paid the price after 2000 miles or so...

Sorry, my crystalised testicles are a little cloudy at the moment!  WHAT Mk5 Golf was it???????????????????????????

And I think you have just confirmed how "amazing" Superchops are - amazingly sh!te, for fcuking up your turbo - but at least you were happy, eh!

As for the E30, what a beauty!

ETTO.

I bet it's just a software tweak for the extra 30Bhp, but so what? 30Bhp is 30Bhp...

Oh do keep up.  We have already established that the Ed30 is much MORE than just a remap!
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Re: Edition 30 GTI Engine?
« Reply #79 on: 19 February 2007, 16:34 »
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As for the E30, what a beauty! I bet it's just a software tweak for the extra 30Bhp,

Get ready GTI CV7.......I think I know what's coming next!!!! :shocked: :rolleyes: :wink:

Oi, Hurdy - are you trying to rattle my cage?  :wink:  :wink:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: :evil:
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