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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #10 on: 17 February 2006, 22:37 »
I'd be interested to know who the dealer was as well!!! :shocked: I hope they are not near me! :angry:

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #11 on: 17 February 2006, 23:34 »
It was via one of the brokers that advertises on Honest JOhn

Who then arrange via a UK dealer - istr midlands.. But I imagine you would not get this deal direct from the dealer.

Perhaps 'maindealer' can shed some light on how these brokers work. Do they agree to take so many cars from a dealer? or is it based on dealers who need to meet monthly targets?

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #12 on: 18 February 2006, 00:39 »
Okey kokey here we go. Are we all sitting comfortably?

I know very well how these dealers/brokers work as I was supplying for one of them for six months.

Firstly, car brokers for VW will cease to be very soon. I'll explain why at the end....

Broker will have an arranged discount level with his dealer. Will be a proper dealer, usually organised through the fleet sales dept. The broker will also recieve a kick back from the dealer.  For example, if the broker is advertsing Golfs at x%. The dealer will be supplying them direct to the end user at x% discount, and giving the broker a y% (usually 1%) handling fee. The dealer makes nothing out of it at all. The only benefit to the dealer is they turn the numbers over. The normal pattern is that you go to a brokers website, chose your car etc and give them your credit card details to order a car. Your card details then get passed on to the nominated dealer by the broker and the dealer then phones you to confirm spec colours and price and then takes a deposit from your card. The broker will then call the customer, make sure that they've ordered a car, then invoice the dealer for the handling fee.

I approached a big name broker a couple of years ago and had several pub meetings (thankyou John!) to discuss it all. We agreed on a percentage and a kick back and did some good numbers for a few months. I'll be honest, I couldn't care about the customers because I was earning next to nothing for each one, I never met the end users and they were all miles away. I used to speak to them once to confirm order, once to take the full amount and then just send our delivery truck to whereever with a car. Any problems on handover had to be sorted by the customers local dealer. 

It all comes down to my favourite question.  Do you want the cheapest car? or the best package?. If you just want the cheapest car, buy from the web. If you want a dealer who will say hi when you come in for service, remember you and your kids names, offer to bring your car in for a service, sort out any problems on handover or for the next few years for you because he feels compelled to because he knows you. If you want a salesman to answer your call and not divert you to his voicemail, if you want the salesman to actually give a sh!t when you call to say there is a rattle from the near side wheel, for the salesman to remember you when you come back in three years time etc etc etc,.........buy from your local dealer. They'll do you a deal, just BE HONEST with them. When I now come up against the car broker thing, I very quickly tell people that I will not match their quote. We all know where we stand then. I tell people that they must contact the internet man who you'll never meet to organise a test drive. (sorry but i've got a large mortgage and a kid to fund....) If you want two grand off your next car, you're going to have to put up with not visiting your dealer, not driving their fleet of demonstrators, not drinking their coffee or eating their biscuits. Aldi service or Waitrose service, It's your money and your choice. I know what i'd do.......

Incidentally, VW have changed the way dealers are paid for selling cars. It's no longer about numbers but about the results of customer satisfaction results. i.e There is no longer any benefit for ABC dealer to offer massive discounts and shift an extra 25% of cars for no profit. Hence VW are removing the need for dealers to sell cars for nothing and get back to creating positive customer experiences and great customer service. Afterall, if you want a cheap car, buy a fu(k1n9 Kia!

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #13 on: 18 February 2006, 16:00 »
Firstly i'd have to disagree about UK Dealers. There are many people about now who will agree that they VW UK dealers are not providing the service/attention levels currently required. Secondly the service a lot of people are recieving now from the likes of euroimports and select is much better than a lot of the UK VW main dealers.

A thread here discusses this point http://www.uk-mkivs.net/forums/485462/ShowPost.aspx


Okey kokey here we go. Are we all sitting comfortably?

I know very well how these dealers/brokers work as I was supplying for one of them for six months.

Firstly, car brokers for VW will cease to be very soon. I'll explain why at the end....

Broker will have an arranged discount level with his dealer. Will be a proper dealer, usually organised through the fleet sales dept. The broker will also recieve a kick back from the dealer.  For example, if the broker is advertsing Golfs at x%. The dealer will be supplying them direct to the end user at x% discount, and giving the broker a y% (usually 1%) handling fee. The dealer makes nothing out of it at all. The only benefit to the dealer is they turn the numbers over. The normal pattern is that you go to a brokers website, chose your car etc and give them your credit card details to order a car. Your card details then get passed on to the nominated dealer by the broker and the dealer then phones you to confirm spec colours and price and then takes a deposit from your card. The broker will then call the customer, make sure that they've ordered a car, then invoice the dealer for the handling fee.

I approached a big name broker a couple of years ago and had several pub meetings (thankyou John!) to discuss it all. We agreed on a percentage and a kick back and did some good numbers for a few months. I'll be honest, I couldn't care about the customers because I was earning next to nothing for each one, I never met the end users and they were all miles away. I used to speak to them once to confirm order, once to take the full amount and then just send our delivery truck to whereever with a car. Any problems on handover had to be sorted by the customers local dealer. 

It all comes down to my favourite question.  Do you want the cheapest car? or the best package?. If you just want the cheapest car, buy from the web. If you want a dealer who will say hi when you come in for service, remember you and your kids names, offer to bring your car in for a service, sort out any problems on handover or for the next few years for you because he feels compelled to because he knows you. If you want a salesman to answer your call and not divert you to his voicemail, if you want the salesman to actually give a sh!t when you call to say there is a rattle from the near side wheel, for the salesman to remember you when you come back in three years time etc etc etc,.........buy from your local dealer. They'll do you a deal, just BE HONEST with them. When I now come up against the car broker thing, I very quickly tell people that I will not match their quote. We all know where we stand then. I tell people that they must contact the internet man who you'll never meet to organise a test drive. (sorry but i've got a large mortgage and a kid to fund....) If you want two grand off your next car, you're going to have to put up with not visiting your dealer, not driving their fleet of demonstrators, not drinking their coffee or eating their biscuits. Aldi service or Waitrose service, It's your money and your choice. I know what i'd do.......

Incidentally, VW have changed the way dealers are paid for selling cars. It's no longer about numbers but about the results of customer satisfaction results. i.e There is no longer any benefit for ABC dealer to offer massive discounts and shift an extra 25% of cars for no profit. Hence VW are removing the need for dealers to sell cars for nothing and get back to creating positive customer experiences and great customer service. Afterall, if you want a cheap car, buy a fu(k1n9 Kia!

Rant over, I do apologise :angry:

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #14 on: 18 February 2006, 16:53 »
Nam, The point I was making was that there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a car from a broker but it just depends on what you want from the purchase.

Most people prefer to buy from a person face to face and have all the cars to hand to see colours, specs and drive the demonstrators. I'm of the opinion that within ten years manufacturers will have experience centres rather than retailers to allow you to drive cars and see specifications and discuss options with someone before going home to buy it off the internet. Mercedes were talking about this a few years ago!

In my experience most people are prepared to pay a bit more but have a face to face transaction.  I can say most people with confidence because we know that in 2005 only 3% of new Volkswagens were bought through a broker (although it would be interesting to find out the percentages for the other big makes...).

Maybe my dealership just offers better service than most? (i'd like to think so! :smiley:)

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #15 on: 18 February 2006, 18:23 »
IN my experience - most of the people I know want as little to do with the dealer as possible - as every visit seems to cost an indecent amount of £Â£Ã‚£ for often shoddy service. This seems especially true of the private motorist who will question servicing costs / big repair bills et - Less of an issuem when I am running a company car as I just day 'do it'.

Anyways, I think most sensible people would believe £2-3k for a 'personal service' is bad value. I would rather get my car cheap and see the dealer as little as possible. I may lose a few 'niceties' but surely it should not affect the level of customer service I receive for the important stuff (warranty work etc)

I find people pay full whack at dealers without using brokers through apathy and a misguided view that their is something dodgy about doing it this way. Of course I imagine the dealers wouldn't offer too tasty a p/x for a broker deal which will contribute to the very low figure - and of course the huge number of fleet sales.


VW Maindealer - I appreciate you explaining, and this is in no way a dig at you - I am sure you run a superbn ship! I just don't feel the need to PAY £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£ for a smiley sales rep.. Oh, and I am probably one of those annoying peeps who drives your demo and buys elsewhere.... But I always give my local dealer the chance to match the deal (or get very close)
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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #16 on: 18 February 2006, 18:36 »
Hey no worries, Don't worry I fully expected as a main dealer on this forum to get a fair bit of stick from time to time. :sad: :cry:

The original question was surrounding discounts on GTIs. In my opinion, any dealer who knocks two grand off a GTI is doing something wrong with the customers that walk in the door!. I haven't got any stock GTIs and every GTI i've got on order is sold. Why would I sell one for 2 grand less when I can sell it for list? I haven't had any personal experience with the brokers previously mentioned. I'm sure they are lovely people and make many customers happy. All I was saying is the vast majority of VW customers (97%) prefer to buy from their local dealer directly. I'm not suggesting that those 97% of people bought at list price, probably far from it but they obviously didn't use a broker for whatever reason.

I promised that I wasn't going to go down this we hate the dealer road when I joined up :rolleyes: but if most of the people you know have paid over the odds and had shoddy work done at their local dealer I shouldn;t worry because your dealer won't be there for long.  My dealership (not actually mine you understand :wink:) has an enormous amount of repeat business. If all our work was shoddy and overpriced, maybe it's the customers who are stupid? :huh: I hope not!
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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #17 on: 27 February 2006, 21:15 »
My local dealer in Cumbria gave me no price discount but threw in the 18" wheel upgrade and met paint which I thought was good deal, most others I enquired at wouldn't give me jack s**t, I added winter pack, folding door mirrors, centre arm rest and multi function s/wheel and c/c, car is superb so much better than my old Golf Anni

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #18 on: 27 February 2006, 22:05 »
 :smiley:Beleave me I did ALL the homework.... finally decided after doing 500 miles here there and no where visited motor provider  www.motorprovider.co.uk at there showroom at sheffield.  I looked at a few cars they had on display that put my mind at rest that the car I was bying was identical to the one I had looked at VW dealer but £3500 cheaper. They showed me a list of different cars ie colours and specs and I went for a car with a few options.. 7 days later I was in my car driving it.... I would have waited for a dsg car but went for manual as i didnt want to wait 3 weeks....  proper people no complaints at motorprovider.... 

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Re: Discount on New GTI
« Reply #19 on: 27 February 2006, 22:18 »
GTIMANIA - Two posts so far and so far two posts exactly the same advertising motorprovider. Good Show!.  The three and a half thousand pound discount (really?) was subject to you promoting their name through various forums?

You drove 500 miles hunting for the best price? You are keen. You should be in one of their adverts. Oh wait, you are! :smiley:

Can you mention their name again, I didn't catch it the first time. :wink:

VWmaindealer - the guy who does all your test drives.......

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