To EV or not to EV, that is the question....

[Exonian]

https://youtu.be/CEebU238DB8

Sign me up!


… just as soon as my six numbers come up.

[willni]

I was admiring the Renault 5's the other week and saw this pop up today, I think it's a cracking looking concept, it would make me consider moving in the future. Hopefully it gets a good range, was a pity about the Honda E's long construction time that gave it a poor range.

https://evo.co.uk/renault/5/203425/renault-5-ev-stars-at-goodwood-festival-of-speed

[Exonian]

The Alpine Renault 5 sounds a VERY interesting concept.
The market is flooded with huge boring SUV’s, we desperately need something smaller, lighter, more nimble, quick through bends not just silly quick to 60… and funky to look at.

VW’s offerings are far too sterile unless the ID.2 will have a bit of flair like the Buzz, but so far the Renault 5 is leagues ahead in the styling stakes. 

[SRGTD]

The Alpine Renault 5 sounds a VERY interesting concept.
The market is flooded with huge boring SUV’s, we desperately need something smaller, lighter, more nimble, quick through bends not just silly quick to 60… and funky to look at.

Agree, and the Alpine Renault 5 does look good IMHO.

VW’s offerings are far too sterile unless the ID.2 will have a bit of flair like the Buzz, but so far the Renault 5 is leagues ahead in the styling stakes.

From the renderings I’ve seen of the ID.2, if they’re accurate it’ll have pretty much no flair at all. To me it looks like the offspring of a T-Cross and an ID.3.



Maybe VW will develop their ID Life concept vehicle through to a production ready car in the small car segment. It won’t appeal to everyone, but IMHO at least it’s different and not a sterile ‘bland wagon’. It reminds me a little of the Honda e.

[Exonian]

The ID Life was kind of what I had in mind, but obviously it would be toned down a bit from the show car, is it too much to hope for a GTX version of that?
The UrbanRebel is maybe VW group’s best hope of competing with the R5 as far as styling goes for those of us that don’t want über-blandness if the ID Life doesn’t materialise.

[willni]

Volkswagen have just followed Tesla's lead of blandness and technology, unfortunately the volkswagen have dropped their quality a lot to match them.

People were forgiving of poor EV's to be seen as signal virtuers of 'I'm so green', but now normal people are able to get EV's, they won't have that luxury as normal people want zero issues. I think VW will have avery tough time over the next 4-8 years with how their platform is now of niche suv's and ugly ev's. Something the top sellers of golf, polo and passat can't help.

[fredgroves]

WTF is that!

Hideous!

They all seem fixated on:

1) An EV needs to look different to an ICE car because "future"

2) People only want to buy SUV's

I don't really get it... VAG of all people must understand that while they sell all of those crossover ICE vehicles, their biggest ICE sellers by volume are the standard hatchbacks Golf and Polo.

Is that because of the size/design though or price? If you made the crossovers the same price as the hatches, would people choose the hatch?

EV's are expensive. More expensive than ICE. Combine this with the change of strategy to high margin only, do they think the only thing they can sell is a SUV? Because nobody will pay 40-50k for a "Golf".... oh hang on...

[willni]

Meant to be the mk1 golf reimagined as an EV, little shock and awe for everyone 

Locally people are quite quick to change their cars to something new whether that's business deals or pcp who knows! But there's plenty of mk8 golfs (mostly GTE's surprisingly), polos, 3 series, x3s and electric mini's, so I think that speaks volumes of what people actually want aka not look like a t#t.

I did see an edition 45 today while going to the shop, great looking car but I still can't get over the interiors just too plain for me.

[Splashalot]

That is gorgeous.  A mk1 Golf EV!  I'd buy one. 

[SRGTD]

That is gorgeous.  A mk1 Golf EV!  I'd buy one.

Agree, it looks great and VW were to make modern day mk1 Golf as an EV, I’d have one too if it wasn’t stupid money. Always hankered after a mk1 GTI and never had one .

Here’s another picture - this one includes the front profile;