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Offline Philip

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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #10 on: 08 August 2020, 07:41 »
EU6c/WLTP/RDE became mandatory in September 2018 and to comply VW only certified the GTI Performance Plus 245 bhp engine and the 230 bhp was dropped from the range.  A mid 2017 PP won’t have a GPF.  The better exhaust note on late 2018 GTI’s with GPF came courtesy of a less restrictive rear resonator.  Pops and bangs can be mapped back in for little money if that’s your thing.
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #11 on: 08 August 2020, 07:53 »
I have a MY19 GTI DSG and have only done 7K in 18 months, every now and then I give it a decent blast on a local bypass and so far no issues with the GPF.
And by the way, in Sport Mode (or Individual Mode with the exhaust selected to Sport), the exhaust noise is excellent
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #12 on: 08 August 2020, 08:23 »
I have a MY19 GTI DSG and have only done 7K in 18 months, every now and then I give it a decent blast on a local bypass and so far no issues with the GPF.
And by the way, in Sport Mode (or Individual Mode with the exhaust selected to Sport), the exhaust noise is excellent

I think it would be too early for problems to show? Mine is a December 18 car with 11k.
I have read that ppfs get hotter more quickly than the dpfs so less likely to block?
I don’t think anyone has mentioned any problems with ppf on this forum.
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #13 on: 08 August 2020, 08:46 »
And by the way, in Sport Mode (or Individual Mode with the exhaust selected to Sport), the exhaust noise is excellent

Unless I've missed something the exhaust note doesn't change, it's the soundaktor in the cabin that changes.
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #14 on: 08 August 2020, 09:18 »
And by the way, in Sport Mode (or Individual Mode with the exhaust selected to Sport), the exhaust noise is excellent

Unless I've missed something the exhaust note doesn't change, it's the soundaktor in the cabin that changes.

Yeah that’s right, although from the outside my MY19 with 10k on the clock actually sounds pretty good. Way louder than I expected

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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #15 on: 08 August 2020, 11:38 »
And by the way, in Sport Mode (or Individual Mode with the exhaust selected to Sport), the exhaust noise is excellent

Unless I've missed something the exhaust note doesn't change, it's the soundaktor in the cabin that changes.

Correct, but the effect both internally and externally is the same.
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #16 on: 08 August 2020, 13:01 »
And by the way, in Sport Mode (or Individual Mode with the exhaust selected to Sport), the exhaust noise is excellent

Unless I've missed something the exhaust note doesn't change, it's the soundaktor in the cabin that changes.

Correct, but the effect both internally and externally is the same.

Sorry I'm having a Mr Thicky moment. How can the effect both internally and externally be the same when in sport mode if we agree the exhaust note doesn't change, only the interior sound via the soundaktor?
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #17 on: 08 August 2020, 13:09 »
What's so dreaded about the GPF? Genuine question.

I'd guess it's the same as DPFs in diesels. It collects all the nasties that some folk don't want releasing into the atmosphere, then every so often when it's stored up enough, it goes through a process that releases all those collected nasties into the atmosphere.

It converts those nasties (carbon particulates that can get lodged in your lungs and cause all kinds of health issues) to carbon dioxide. I'd rather have the low level carbon dioxide than the particulates in my lungs.

So do you need to go on a long run every so often to get the filter hot enough to do this?
I did relatively few long motorway journeys in my bmw 335d and had problems with the dpf blocking. Any such problems with petrol filters?

Petrol is less efficient than diesel because it creates more heat and less kinetic energy in combustion (diesel is only 8% more energy dense yet is 30-50% better in mpg overall).

Diesel combusts at a higher temp but chucks less heat into the exhaust. As a result, GPFs heat up quicker than DPFs.

However, you don't just need heat to convert soot (carbon) to carbon dioxide, you need oxygen from air - and therein lies the problem for GPFs. Diesel engines run a big excess of air, petrols take in just enough air for the oxygen required to combust the fuel (and nothing more). So when you're driving along with your foot on the accelerator, after 4 or 5 miles you've got a hot GPF but no oxygen...

Unless you drive on a certain way.

If you're one of those people that is always on the accelerator pedal and then on the brake, you'll only get forced regens with the car forcing more air tgrough than it should need. When this happens, your  mpg will plummet (way more than a diesel does under forced regen) - you'll get about 60% of your normal mpg when a GPF is doing a forced regen.

If you're one of these people who reads the road ahead well and comes right off the accelerator when approaching a slower car ahead, or a roundabout/junction, you'll regenerate passively. The only time the petrol engine pulls through an excess of air through normal operation is when you're completely off the accelerator while moving and the engine has no fuel going in. This doesn't work when coasting or idling at a stop because there's still fuel going in.

My wife is one of those who is always on thd accelerator or the brake and wonders why her Polo GTI+ is doing 20mpg and not 32mpg on her 6 mile trip to work once every 2k miles.
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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #18 on: 08 August 2020, 13:20 »
Pretty sure the golfs will suffer the same as the rs3 on a Dyno


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Re: DSG 7 vs 6 speed and GPF?
« Reply #19 on: 08 August 2020, 13:27 »
Petrol is less efficient than diesel because it creates more heat and less kinetic energy in combustion (diesel is only 8% more energy dense yet is 30-50% better in mpg overall).

Diesel combusts at a higher temp but chucks less heat into the exhaust. As a result, GPFs heat up quicker than DPFs.

However, you don't just need heat to convert soot (carbon) to carbon dioxide, you need oxygen from air - and therein lies the problem for GPFs. Diesel engines run a big excess of air, petrols take in just enough air for the oxygen required to combust the fuel (and nothing more). So when you're driving along with your foot on the accelerator, after 4 or 5 miles you've got a hot GPF but no oxygen...

Unless you drive on a certain way.

If you're one of those people that is always on the accelerator pedal and then on the brake, you'll only get forced regens with the car forcing more air tgrough than it should need. When this happens, your  mpg will plummet (way more than a diesel does under forced regen) - you'll get about 60% of your normal mpg when a GPF is doing a forced regen.

If you're one of these people who reads the road ahead well and comes right off the accelerator when approaching a slower car ahead, or a roundabout/junction, you'll regenerate passively. The only time the petrol engine pulls through an excess of air through normal operation is when you're completely off the accelerator and the engine has no fuel going in.

My wife is one of those who is always on thd accelerator or the brake and wonders why her Polo GTI+ is doing 20mpg and not 32mpg on her 6 mile trip to work once every 2k miles.

Well explained thanks :smiley: I'm of your second type of driver and I've not noticed any big drops in mpg, always amazed at how good it is.
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