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Offline SRGTD

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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #40 on: 24 July 2020, 11:48 »
Don't know whether any of this "Millionaires club" or "get some pointless crap I could add to my signature on a forum" banter was actually aimed at me or not, but it's water off a ducks back to me (don't worry, if it was aimed at me, I've taken no offence  :D ).

I'm at the time of life where I want to have nice things, and finally have a little money to afford them (which I didn't have when I was younger). Mortgage was paid off years ago, no kids to leave the "inheritance" to, don't (and never had) smoke, rarely drink and don't gamble. Aside from Photography (my other big passion), cars are my only vice.

In fact taking smoking, as an example, a pack of ciggys is now what £13 a pack.  Even if you are a lightish smoker and only go though 2 packs a week (my brother for example), that's £1,352.00 per year going up in smoke (literally). So whilst I would obviously like to NOT incur the £40k luxury tax,  if it means the difference between getting a car with all the options I want (and can afford) or compromising and not actually getting the spec you really want, I'll take the former.

Now I will admit, that if the price including options takes me just a few hundred over the tax level, then of course I'll try and bring it down to below 40k by seeing what can be removed.  But if my choice of options take me a few thousand over the 40k and I'd have to remove many options I wanted to get the car I really like, then I'll pay it.

It may seem daft even stupid to some, but it is after all our own money, and we decide how it's to be spent. That fact that others will disagree with me and think I'm bonkers is absolutely fine, and I take zero offence, as it's each to their own.
well said Andrew. What people choose to spend on a car is entirely up to them and if people don't agree then fine but it's approaching bullying sometimes with some of the idiotic comments on here. No one person is right or wrong it's why we are individuals.

I totally get the financial argument that most options are worth diddly squat when the time comes to sell a well optioned car, and buying them in the first place can risk pushing the list price over £40k and into luxury VED territory. However IMO, for many people there’s an ‘enjoyment factor’ associated with some options on a car that’s pretty much impossible to put a monetary value on, so the purchase decision comes down to more than just cost.

I usually select a few extra cost options when I buy a car, but I do try to exercise restraint when doing this. My one extravagant extra cost option was on my mk6 GTD when I went for the optional xenon headlamps that, from memory, cost around £1,100 at the time. I never regretted having speccing the xenons, and IMO they certainly added to the overall ownership experience, but it does now mean that xenon - or more probably these days LED headlamps - would be a minimum requirement on any car I bought. Probably not an issue though as technology has moved on, and many cars now come with LED headlamps as standard.

I tend to adopt the philosophy of ‘if you can afford it and you’d like to have it, then go for it!’. I grew up in an age where saving up for a major purchase was the norm, so I wouldn’t ever overstretch myself financially. However, as a friend of mine says ‘you’re a long time dead and you can’t take it with you’ so if I want something, and it’s affordable to me, I buy it.

So to those who want certain non-standard features when speccing a new car, I’d say go for it! 



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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #41 on: 24 July 2020, 13:01 »
I guess I should appologise if I ruffled anyone up the wrong way.

I was just trying to make the point that the luxury tax is a big pile of money for nothing.

I get that when you order your fully loaded Range Rover for 80+ grand that you don't give a fig, but its a bit much on "the people's car" don't you think? Whether than is the OEM's pricing to blame or HMG is another discussion...

Tax is mainly used as a disincentive - tax on smoking, tax on alcohol, tax on flying etc etc

This is just tax on an archaic point in the value scale. At the very least it needs the threshold to rise with RPI.
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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #42 on: 24 July 2020, 13:08 »
I think the banter has more to do with how crazy VW prices have got lately. It's a bubble waiting to burst.

It's nuts to think that a Golf, any Golf should be within a whisker of £40k in standard spec.

VWs used to be a bit more expensive than most of the pack, but with decent discounts and very strong residuals. This used to make them reasonable to PCP.

Prices have shot up, residuals have dropped slightly and the discounts haven't gotten bigger to compensate.

VW must know that they're pushing hard on what the market will bear. It's almost unheard of for VW to do 0% finance like they did for the runout MK7.5s. If they hadn't put that offer out, you'd be looking at the fat end of £600 a month for a TCR after putting a 10% deposit down at the usual 6% APR.

I seriously doubt the market will bear that for the MK8. Either the 0% offers need to continue or the discounts need to be deeper if the used market won't bear higher residuals.

These crazy RRPs that nobody pays help no-one. It's fine for DFS sofas and oak furniture land to perpetually sell their wares at "half price" because there's no RRP super tax to pay on that "£800" coffee table you paid £350 for.

The car market needs to correct itself, especially VW.

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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #43 on: 24 July 2020, 13:20 »
oh wow.  Sorry for starting something over the £40K threshold. I was only trying to say how I would approach my next car buying budget constraints.

I agree whole heartedly on the points made: We are all individuals; Spend money on what we like; and its only £6.25 a week (So I am certainly not making any point about any other car buying thoughts, in fact Sootchucker put it very well. If some options put you just over, might need to reconsider but if all the options are wanted then you would go ahead to get full enjoyment on the spec of car that you want. That seems totally reasonable to me.

It was only my thoughts that I would have a ceiling of £40K and the threshold mattered.  Its easy to wrap the whole car plus on the road costs into the purchase price and not think about the future ongoing costs in this case, an extra £325 a year.

So in my ideal world I would have a new Golf R in Lapiz Blue, with DCC and HUD.  Will that come in under £40K (I think it will be very close or just over. So when we finally see the prices, I will have to decide what is important to me.  The alternative is maybe a Clubsport/TCR equivalent with the options but different colour obviously.  That could be cheaper and hopefully not so close to £40K (I'm assuming VW UK won't decide they all have to be spec'd with Akrapovic Exhausts).

So apologises that I caused consternation on the extra VED money. With this in mind I will keep my personal thoughts on 19" wheels to myself for another time. That might just push you all over the edge  :grin:

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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #44 on: 24 July 2020, 13:35 »
So apologises that I caused consternation on the extra VED money. With this in mind I will keep my personal thoughts on 19" wheels to myself for another time. That might just push you all over the edge  :grin:

Ah go on, I'm just lurking anyway, been enjoying it so far :whistle: :laugh:
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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #45 on: 24 July 2020, 13:36 »
I guess I should appologise if I ruffled anyone up the wrong way.

I was just trying to make the point that the luxury tax is a big pile of money for nothing.

I get that when you order your fully loaded Range Rover for 80+ grand that you don't give a fig, but its a bit much on "the people's car" don't you think? Whether than is the OEM's pricing to blame or HMG is another discussion...

Tax is mainly used as a disincentive - tax on smoking, tax on alcohol, tax on flying etc etc

This is just tax on an archaic point in the value scale. At the very least it needs the threshold to rise with RPI.


Fred it's cool. I know you never meant anything detrimental towards me, and yes I agree, the £40k luxury tax is a rip off. Why are EV now exempt from this and yet still use the roads and therefore wear them out just like ICE card do. Aren't we already being taxed to the hilt on the duty built into fuel cost (isn't it something like 85% tax or something), which EV cars don't pay.
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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #46 on: 24 July 2020, 13:42 »
oh wow.  Sorry for starting something over the £40K threshold. I was only trying to say how I would approach my next car buying budget constraints.



Not an issue Andy, it's all good banter and makes for an interesting conversation.
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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #47 on: 24 July 2020, 13:46 »
Sootchucker: It's unsustainable for EVs to get (almost) a free ride, once even 10% of the cars on the road are EVs. When everyone is charging their EVs overnight at home (those that have a driveway/off-street parking), those 5p a kW between midnight and 4am electricity deals will be no more. The Government can't afford to lose that revenue. Tgere'll be electronic toll gates every couple of hundred yards tracking every mile you do, although it's harder to get payment after the fact than in advance. I wonder how the goverment will deal with non-payers?
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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #48 on: 24 July 2020, 13:57 »
Ev is only exempt of the luxury car tax until 2025. I suspect at that point the taxation on Ev will be decided... And it ain't gonna be free.
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Re: Almost said goodbye to VW yesterday.....almost
« Reply #49 on: 24 July 2020, 14:08 »
Ev is only exempt of the luxury car tax until 2025. I suspect at that point the taxation on Ev will be decided... And it ain't gonna be free.

Definitely not. If you could build your own kit car that ran on solar power, the government would find a way to tax sunlight! :grin:

There's a healthy revenue stream in car taxation and they will find a way to maintain it - there'll be a "Cobalt" tax on EV batteries or something similar!  :laugh:
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