Mark 8. Gtd info

[fredgroves]

No, looking at Google it seems they decided they didn't need to do anything because covid has cleared the air....

It's definitely heading that way elsewhere and I'm not about to invest a pile of money into a car I can't take places... Assuming we go anywhere ever again...

[Guzzle]

I think it was Oxford that said they were going to ban both diesel AND petrol cars.

[Exonian]

Jaguar to be all-electric by 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56072019

If this is a sign of things imminently then most ICE cars will be worth peanuts by the time their PCP is up (except drift mode R’s and classics)

[ar899]

Jaguar to be all-electric by 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56072019

If this is a sign of things imminently then most ICE cars will be worth peanuts by the time their PCP is up (except drift mode R’s and classics)

Could be worth heck of a lot more. For many people and for many reasons, EVs do not work. At least not until technology moves on quite a bit further. Demand for ICE cars on the second hand market likely to increase when there are fewer being sold new.

[fredgroves]

I think it's largely impossible to say about the trend for second hand cars but one thing is for sure, new ice vehicle sales will fall off rapidly.

The second hand market will follow to some degree with a lag built in.

The biggest problem with electric other than range/charging is the cost of the new cars at the moment. There are plenty of expensive ones and no cheap options.

I still think the tax black hole "solution" is more likely to kill motoring though far more so than anything else. The government is pretty desperate for money and motorists are an easy target as always.

[Exonian]

Could be worth heck of a lot more. For many people and for many reasons, EVs do not work. At least not until technology moves on quite a bit further. Demand for ICE cars on the second hand market likely to increase when there are fewer being sold new.

Depends on the area of the market I reckon, and I don’t think there will be clear boundaries in the near future.
I totally agree that EV’s don’t work for many people. For starters theres the issue of where people are going to charge the things if they don’t have driveways or even whether they can get an electric supply to their driveway (not always a given). Then there’s the high cost of EV’s for private buyers, range, blah blah blah.

But the public shift to looking at EV’s shouldn’t be underestimated, most ‘normal’ people I know (people not really interested in cars) are very much paying attention to EV’s and hybrids. Advertising is constantly bombarding them/us with it for a start.
Personally I think the shift to EV’s will quickly snowball.

[fredgroves]

I still think road pricing when it comes (and EV's will make it come) will radically change car use.... could easily drive a lot of people off of the road and they will never buy a car at all.

[ar899]

Could be worth heck of a lot more. For many people and for many reasons, EVs do not work. At least not until technology moves on quite a bit further. Demand for ICE cars on the second hand market likely to increase when there are fewer being sold new.

Depends on the area of the market I reckon, and I don’t think there will be clear boundaries in the near future.
I totally agree that EV’s don’t work for many people. For starters theres the issue of where people are going to charge the things if they don’t have driveways or even whether they can get an electric supply to their driveway (not always a given). Then there’s the high cost of EV’s for private buyers, range, blah blah blah.

But the public shift to looking at EV’s shouldn’t be underestimated, most ‘normal’ people I know (people not really interested in cars) are very much paying attention to EV’s and hybrids. Advertising is constantly bombarding them/us with it for a start.
Personally I think the shift to EV’s will quickly snowball.

You might be right. I come across quite a wide range of people which would include 'metropolitan middle class' types who might be looking to swap their BMW & Passat estates for EVs. On the other hand, I know farmers who have off road diesel vehicles for towing and 4x4 use - are there EVs they can readily jump into? For their purposes, may be not yet, though I see Land Rover are going 'fully electric' by the end of the decade so maybe there will be soon (how does that suit the Army, though?). Then I have friends who earn not much more than min wage and struggle to keep a 20 year old car on the road - what do they do? I don't think this move to EVs has been properly thought through.

[Exonian]

The whole EV thing is aimed at the metropolitan middle classes who clog up the roads with a school run in their company funded 4WD leviathan before heading to their office in the city centre in an urban crawl. This isn’t an exclusively UK thing but our cramped isle doesn’t lend itself well to dealing with urban pollution.

The rest of us are just pawns.
Naturally we all welcome a huge cut in pollution, I can remember walking to school past a mile or two of queuing commuter traffic belching out unfiltered leaded petrol fumes, no wonder my brain is buggered.

As for farmers, I know a good few, the older generation are very money savvy tight arses and their offspring love big expensive machinery bought/leased on low interest finance.
Farmers have plenty of space to put in solar panels powering old commercial vehicle batteries to store and enjoy free EV fuel, it’s not as if their vehicles go that far. Older Diesel machinery will last many years yet and electric powered farm vehicles would be perfect with masses of instant torque and minimal serviceable working parts.

[Exonian]

Not for time to watch it myself for a few days but Autogefüel have a review of the GTD
https://youtu.be/8IxV8omYVJc