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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #10 on: 03 March 2020, 20:08 »
Look out for legendary wordsmith Exonian's posts :afro:

Legendary wordsmith sums him up perfectly. :grin:

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“Full o’ shoite” might be more accurate!




Just like when you see a (usually female) colleague greet another with the words “ohhh, you look sooo well, have you lost some weight?” to which the (usually female) recipient replies “yes! I lost a couple pounds last week!” whilst you stand there wondering how the hell anyone could actually notice that on a 5’5” person. I mean it’s not like Janet came into work with an inner-tube under her chin the week before last and this week has a defined Hollywood jawline.

Same with a car engine. The difference between a 290PS engine and a 245PS version of the same basic unit which share very similar peak torque figures and power spread is less easy to tell in general use without resorting to using timing gear under almost scientific conditions.
What the TCR engine does offer though is the feel of more speed. In reality, day to day, I very much doubt it’s any quicker than a GTI P but it feels more lively, more eager to rev and more responsive.
I’m sure the tech boffins and chassis engineers invest much time and effort into producing small performance improvements in extremis but in daily use it’s partly a placebo effect due to sharper responses. Unless you’re Billy Bigballs trawling the ring road after dark looking for other likeminded souls to prove a point to.
The engine mapping and different turbo do provide a different feel in the TCR from a regular GTI though.

Likewise the chassis. The car sits fractionally lower and looks lower with the different skirts and chin splitter. Again it’s minimal but it’s there.

The brakes look meaner on the TCR, the suspension may or may not have a bit of negative camber (looks like it to me but it could be pothole after effects on my car!). The inside has more of a sense of occasion shunning the ‘classic’ tartan for a more luxurious feeling cloth in a much more “in yer face“ pattern and shade; a lovely to hold perforated section steering wheel is the icing on the TCR cake.

You could easily add parts to a GTI P to look, perform and handle even better than a TCR for far less money than it would cost to change from a recent GTI to a new TCR (using UK prices) but that’s not the question here.

There’s just no way you could justify the cost to change using any sort of logic.
However, to car enthusiasts logic can easily go out of the window.

It’s easy to dismiss the mk8 right now too, but give it a couple years it’ll have grown familiar and less divisive looking so might end up on your radar in the end.

It’s all money at the end of the day.

Yes, the TCR is different enough to a regular 7.5 GTI P to a GTI enthusiast, but you’d really need to be an enthusiast to make swapping from one to the other worthwhile.   
It might be worth waiting until VW have released details of the Ed45 or 8R before making a firm decision if the costs to change to a TCR right now are high.

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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #11 on: 03 March 2020, 21:24 »
Very well put

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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #12 on: 04 March 2020, 15:57 »
So the consensus is "it's not worth it.....unless you think it's worth it"

I was at the VW dealer today booking my car in and had a good look at 2 TCRs- a white one on the 18" quaranta wheels and a grey one on 19s.

My view was- and still is- the TCR is too expensive for what a hot hatch is all about.

I looked both these cars over and thought- wow- they do look good. It would be nice to have a bit more power. And sharper handling.
Then I looked inside. Not too bothered about the seats- material looks better ( than my PP) but I prefer the tartan.

Then I saw the gearbox- and stopped dreaming.
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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #13 on: 04 March 2020, 17:39 »
So the consensus is "it's not worth it.....unless you think it's worth it"

I was at the VW dealer today booking my car in and had a good look at 2 TCRs- a white one on the 18" quaranta wheels and a grey one on 19s.

My view was- and still is- the TCR is too expensive for what a hot hatch is all about.

I looked both these cars over and thought- wow- they do look good. It would be nice to have a bit more power. And sharper handling.
Then I looked inside. Not too bothered about the seats- material looks better ( than my PP) but I prefer the tartan.

Then I saw the gearbox- and stopped dreaming.

Stick with what you’ve got for sure. No modern hatch will be as much fun as the 205 GTI! Modern hatches are faster, squeak less, better on fuel too maybe, but nowhere near the (road legal) fun on British roads. 
‘25 8.5R, ‘23 8R, ‘20 8CS, ‘19 135iX, ‘19 TCR, ‘17 Ed40, ‘17 GTD, ‘15 7R, ‘13 GTI PP, ‘11 GTI, ‘09 GTI, ‘98 Ibiza Cupra, ‘05 GTI, ‘06 Polo GTI, ‘04 GT TDI, ‘05 Fabia vRS, ‘02 GTI T, ‘03 Ibiza TDI 130, ‘01 Leon 180, ‘89 mk2 16v, ‘99 Ibiza TDI, ‘96 VR6, ‘98 Ibiza TDI, ‘92 VR6, ‘88 mk2 8v, ‘92 Polo G40, ‘91 mk2 8v, ‘89 mk2 8v, 205 GTI 1.9, ‘83 mk1 GTI, ‘80 Scirocco GTI, plus some others I’ve forgotten 

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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #14 on: 04 March 2020, 17:46 »
I'd wait and see what the Mk8 is all about if you're ready to change..... I might go S3 or Cupra next as I'm just not a fan of the Mk8. The new A3 looks superb imho
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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #15 on: 04 March 2020, 18:38 »
I'd wait and see what the Mk8 is all about if you're ready to change..... I might go S3 or Cupra next as I'm just not a fan of the Mk8. The new A3 looks superb imho
the new A3 has a Mégane front end look about it!
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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #16 on: 04 March 2020, 18:56 »
I'd wait and see what the Mk8 is all about if you're ready to change..... I might go S3 or Cupra next as I'm just not a fan of the Mk8. The new A3 looks superb imho
the new A3 has a Mégane front end look about it!

Is your TCR due soon mcmaddy?
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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #17 on: 04 March 2020, 19:29 »
So the consensus is "it's not worth it.....unless you think it's worth it"

I was at the VW dealer today booking my car in and had a good look at 2 TCRs- a white one on the 18" quaranta wheels and a grey one on 19s.

My view was- and still is- the TCR is too expensive for what a hot hatch is all about.

I looked both these cars over and thought- wow- they do look good. It would be nice to have a bit more power. And sharper handling.
Then I looked inside. Not too bothered about the seats- material looks better ( than my PP) but I prefer the tartan.

Then I saw the gearbox- and stopped dreaming.

Stick with what you’ve got for sure. No modern hatch will be as much fun as the 205 GTI! Modern hatches are faster, squeak less, better on fuel too maybe, but nowhere near the (road legal) fun on British roads.

It's great fun, the 205. I use it regularly and I know that every journey will be a thrill- all I need is a roundabout en route.
I have some pretty good driving roads near me, which I've watched become increasingly congested over the last 3 decades. And that's the problem with the modern hatch- they get faster and handle better- while opportunity to enjoy their dynamic qualities is less. So while the TCR is a very desirable hot hatch, I wouldn't be tempted to pay the significant premium over a P.
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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #18 on: 04 March 2020, 19:46 »
I'd wait and see what the Mk8 is all about if you're ready to change..... I might go S3 or Cupra next as I'm just not a fan of the Mk8. The new A3 looks superb imho
the new A3 has a Mégane front end look about it!

Is your TCR due soon mcmaddy?
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Re: Golf gti performance vs Golf gti TCR
« Reply #19 on: 04 March 2020, 20:06 »
So the consensus is "it's not worth it.....unless you think it's worth it"

I was at the VW dealer today booking my car in and had a good look at 2 TCRs- a white one on the 18" quaranta wheels and a grey one on 19s.

My view was- and still is- the TCR is too expensive for what a hot hatch is all about.

I looked both these cars over and thought- wow- they do look good. It would be nice to have a bit more power. And sharper handling.
Then I looked inside. Not too bothered about the seats- material looks better ( than my PP) but I prefer the tartan.

Then I saw the gearbox- and stopped dreaming.

Stick with what you’ve got for sure. No modern hatch will be as much fun as the 205 GTI! Modern hatches are faster, squeak less, better on fuel too maybe, but nowhere near the (road legal) fun on British roads.

It's great fun, the 205. I use it regularly and I know that every journey will be a thrill- all I need is a roundabout en route.
I have some pretty good driving roads near me, which I've watched become increasingly congested over the last 3 decades. And that's the problem with the modern hatch- they get faster and handle better- while opportunity to enjoy their dynamic qualities is less. So while the TCR is a very desirable hot hatch, I wouldn't be tempted to pay the significant premium over a P.

Can't say I blame you. Don't get me wrong though, I'm really pleased with the change, the TCR is truly great but my PP was more fun on every drive. The gearbox is not perfect and can be a bit annoying at times but as a whole the car feels really special.
2019 Oryx White 5dr TCR.

Was - 2015 Tornado Red 3dr GTI PP, manual, Santiagos, Audi short shifter.